>>28450014 Spartan tactics were not "fight honorably until you die" They were a successful military state for a reason, in fact their version of a leadership candidacy training was some high speed low drag guerrilla/espionage type shit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypteia
>>28451262 Getting fucked by helot rebellions was at a point in time where they were so outstretched and they were getting economically destroyed by their inheritance and equality policies.
Spartans were actually the closest any nation has ever come to being completely Marxist, aside from slaves and helots obviously. They didn't believe in a true currency and usually bartered with bars of iron as a medium of exchange, Spartan men and women all inherited an equal amount of land which ended up causing a lot of land ownership being handled by women, and the parcels of land getting fucking tiny. This contributed to Spartans getting economically fucked in the long run.
When the Spartans "allied" with the Persians and were put in charge of maintaining the peace in Greece, they used every single opportunity to be gigantic bullies to all of their neighbors over past grievances. While their military was outstretched and with Spartan garrisons in many Greek cities, they had very little at home to protect themselves from Helot uprisings.
This was towards the end of the ancient Sparta that we know, before that they were a very successful military force.
>>28451670 well the Romans had quite a large part to do with the creation of the term "Pyrrhic victory", Hannibal only outnumbered Roman forces at the battle of Lake Trasimene and at Zama. these are however before the Marian reforms, but that didn't save the legions at Teutoberg against a numerically weaker and worse equipped foe. pre Marian tactics were to make the enemy slowly feel overwhelmed by the waves of green Hastati they would fight in the front rank, then the better skilled and armed Principes before being totally demoralised by the elite Triarii at the back, kinda like a boss rush for every time you engage with a Roman column, the early tactics have been likend to a meat grinder by historians, where the rear would force the greener soldiers forward before cleaning up the exhausted and demoralised stragglers.
>>28452994 The entire banzai charge business did actually work. Its just that it only worked in China against badly trained, badly equipped and badly motivated conscripts. Didn't work so well against a bunch of guys with semi-automatics, SMG's, automatic rifles, itchy trigger things and gigantic adamantium balls.
>>28453365 I'm with you here, I think the Roman army isn't overrated because logistically it was so good
Alexander the Great's army years before was similar, his father had reformed the army to become logistically the most superior, and Alex used that to rape thousands of Persians miles away from home, Rome would do so a few hundred years later
tl:dr, Rome's forces did get rekt a few times yeah, but they had so many successes due to their logistics
>>28451326 >Spartans were actually the closest any nation has ever come to being completely Marxist, aside from slaves and helots obviously. dude, there were a vast number more slaves and helots and no it was not an equal society by any means- you have to literally view Spartan society through a straw to get that impression and if you do that then you'd also go and say Jamestown was a marxist society because so much was divided equally when they were more worried about getting slaughtered by natives or disease.
>>28457522 Read a book, please. The reason spartans never adopted an official coinage is because they strived for equality among spartans. Obviously they werent EXACT equals in practice because thats literally impossible in an oligarchy.
A good book for people unfamiliar with that would be From Democrats to Kings, please read it as it does a good job explaining things carefully just for you.
>>28453042 >To be honest, Roman operational and strategic resiliency was without parallel in its time. Nobody could equip, train, feed, and move a full-time military force quite like the Romans. Nobody could match their logistics and ability to field huge armies until Napoleon. Think about that.
>>28457543 /flips through Xenophon's Constitution of the Lakedemonians
Funny, he says they expressly forbade the practice.
>>28459460 If you're referring to the institution of the erastes and the eromenos, it seems to have been confined to rich urban elites and never involved underage boys. It also involved a lot more than sex -- which itself was sticking your dick between the other guy's greased thighs. Ritualized bisexuality in a sexually segregated society, more or less.
There is so much literal and historically illiterate faggotry in this thread I don't even know where to begin. All I can do is encourage you kids to read the actual source material.
>>28459614 >The Jews are the reason I'm unemployed I beg your pardon; that sounds like libel from an angry faggot. I used to post Jew pussy all the time to drive the /new/fags away, back when we were unmoderated. My kosher /k/redentials are unmatched.
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