What do I get if i expect it to be even remotely reliable
do you have the full NBC suit?
a mask is just going to protect you against eye and lung irritants by itself
no SWAT team is going to be able to gas you
the never agents and air born viruses that'll get released when the happening happens? not so much
No, but im trying to be prepared for likely happenings, most of which include airborne shit that i would like to not breath, nbc suit will come alongside it, just want to be sure that there isnt some ubermensch gas mask out there, or if pic related is fine
>also includes stuff for guys with beards
This should really be the default for what you want to look into - because, frankly, you don't have time to shave if you are in a situation where you will be using a respirator all the time
Anyone know what kind of masks these dudes are wearing?
Im not saying they are likely, just the ones that are more likely, also, would like to take up a few hobbies that require a respirator (smelting, airbrushing, etc) and would like to have it be usable in a shitty situation(ex; fucking tear gas or some random airborne bullshit that fucks people up)
They're better by a long shot than the previous gen, but as someone who has done his share of military exercises, wearing them for any length of time still sucks balls especially when in the rest of the MOPP kit. Even if you're not out in the sun or moving around much, the heat starts climbing quickly and there's never enough air moving across your face. The previous gen was even worse about that and the filter hanging off to the side pulling your head down that way was annoying as hell.
>filters all molecules regardless of size
So it won't let through oxygen molecules either? Great. What about hydrogen? Nitrogen? Any of the other shit in the air we breath to live? It's a good thing it filters out literally all molecules.
There's any number of manufacturers who make good respiratory protection. Anything that's NIOSH certified is better than any milsurp. Civ respirators are built to higher standards than mil gas masks.
Shop around until you find the brand, model, and size that gives you the best fit. Then get a few sets of cartridges that protect against whatever hazard you're most likely to encounter.
That's not how filters work. They don't physically block molecules, they use adsorbent filter media that catches the bad stuff, usually activated carbon.
BTW, that is not a typo. Adsorbent means that it catches reactive molecules on it's surface, vs absorbent, which draws molecules inside the filter particles, like a sponge.
>Americans using a British mask and Brits using a American mask
Some sort of a cultural exchange program or is there some valid reasons not to go with a domestic product? Different standards maybe?
A lot of land with a lot of trees. A home underground with an air and water filtration system.
The days of mustard gas are over. Modern Biological and nuclear threats will defeat anything you can put on fast enough for it to matter.
Those pesky microbes, some one ought to do something about those.
Yes of course it does. The height should been implying that, since body and head are proportional, the head / face we talk about has slightly larger dimensions as the average european person, as the height is slightly above average too. And what i wanted to know was, if someone with similar sized head / face would recommend a medium or large sized M50.
I know the Brits wanted a respirator with pretty insane levels of protection and they determined that the Scott one offered that over the M50.
But AFAIK the M50 is supposed to be more comfortable to fight in, and better for comms and stuff - at least that was Avon's argument when they complained to the British govt about losing to an American company.
3M half mask respirator with a box of particulate/organic vapor filters. Buy a box of 3M goggles. For disaster cleanup this+NBC suit what you'd want. for nuclear shenanigans without the ability to decontaminate your gear makes it pointless.
if you want to drop the dosh a 3M full mask for specific uses they are superior. Operating Operationally isn't one of them.
typical OSHA requirement level gear will work for anything that won't outright kill you or make you wish you were dead.
If da habbening happened your real threats wouldn't be VX and radioactive dust, it'd be asbestos, dioxin, and all the other assorted goodies from 30's through 90's construction suddenly burning/collapsing all at once.
No mask can filter out everything, so what do you guys think of SCBA/Rebreathers?
I've been thinking about getting ones of these. Compact closed system with a chance of fiery death.
>Buying HazMat Gear without being Trained in Hazardous Materials and Certified to use it
>Not being properly fit tested for a mask and sizing based off a "string around head test"
Haven't read the thread.
I have a GP5 gas mask, and some original filters that are older than me.
I also have access to new NATO filters.
Is there anyway to get a useful/modern filter on my gp5? I did a seal check on it, like you learn to do in NATO militaries, and it seems to still seal.
Would I be better off, that is SAFER, just getting a whole new something else?
DO YOU GUYS EVEN S.T.A.L.K?
I hate this "nothing matters, all is for naught" attitude.
Maybe someone has the ability to bunker down, but wants to be able to walk around on the surface AFTER without inhaling some methel-ethel-badshit.
Maybe someone wants to explore the surface after yellowstone erupts, because they know their marine research home (which has and will survive tidal waves and earthquakes plus more) is going to likely survive.
Maybe someone wants to travel the areas of the world that CURRENTLY need PPE to explore safetly, the several lightly irradiated areas of the former soviet union, or even MURRICA's own ecological disaster zones like Centralia.
There are alot of reasons for wanting to have MOPP gear/quallity PPE.
I mean fuck, it could even be a safe queen equivalent; maybe they just want functional kit because they're a collector and it gets their dick hard.
Some of you guys sound like those antigunners that say "why you want a gun? you could never defend yourself against the world if you needed it."
Ok I'm done ranting.
So we all agree beards fuck up the seal. That's a given fact. But we all agree respirators with a beard is better than no respirator at all.
Chemical, radiological and biological threats aren't really the concerns I'm reading about. Mostly the mask is to deal with immediate irritants such as maybe peperspray, dust, ash, asbestos and other particulate matter that may be a result of the happening, correct?
If I'm reading all this right, I'm assuming masks then become more of a urban scavenger tool than an innawoods survival tool - and most of the things you would assume you want a mask for, just having a mask alone without the rest of the suit, would be useless.
Am I right so far?
Is there any, improvised solutions for getting a GP-5 gas mask service-able with non-correct filters or even homemade filters?
Let's just say it was the only option in your hellscape country...
I guess I wonder what the implication are. Will it blow up if I accidentally tear a hole in the bag, or get a grazing shot, while I am wet/in rain? I can see that inflatable bit not surviving intact through even a non-violent trip through the woods or a city. Just that alone makes it a risk, but then if it is punctured while wet is there a good chance of Boom?
I don't think I want one at the moment, but I also don't know what conditions really are required for catastrophic failure, I just know it can happen.
>Will it blow up if I accidentally tear a hole in the bag, or get a grazing shot, while I am wet/in rain?
If you understand Science, a little bit of rain even with the bag being compromised wouldn't result in instant death. The big complication would be underwater - Which you won't be.
I would be more concerned about the 2 hour lifespan of the system. While it's great for diving - your innawoods excursion in "the zone" would kill the filter before you could get anywhere. If you carried a full days supply of filters - 6-8 replacement cartridges - you would not have room for anything else.
The only way I see this system being of any use is getting you out of an immediate hot zone of instant death shit like nerve agents or maybe radioactive fallout? 2 hours isn't alot.
If you aren't wearing it while driving a car to your bug out point it's probably useless.
Yes, but ultimately a 2 hour run time on that thing, which how large it is, seems like a liability.
If you are running outtazone to innawoods, you'd probably be better off with some sort of standard masks, or even N95 filters.
Anything you will need a full suit for will kill you before you get it on. Anything that doesn't a full face mask should be enough.
The rebreathers 2 hour run time seems like a liability if anything, since you probably need 12-24 hours of "insurance time" to make sure you get to your bugout spot, and you can carry days worth of filters for the size requirements of that thing.
Not to mention how the fuck am I supposed to put on all my other gear with that shit?
I suppose it depends on how far the toxic zone has spread and how long it will stay there. Most nerve agents don't stay very long, but they can take from a few hours to a few days to dissipate.
Seems to be enough space for a backpack at least. Not sure how you'd fit a plate carrier wearing it, though.
My bug out location is 6 hours from where I am right now.
My fighting load consists of a full sized plate carrier, as well as a big ass Mystery Ranch Bag with supplies to hike the whole way if necessary. My truck load consists of a small plate carrier and enough supplies to hypothetically get me somewhere safe on foot.
Long story short, using that set up, which is designed for divers, would get me killed. Unless I was able to drive out of the contaminated zone without any hindrances or detours what so ever, I'd make it fine.
It takes me an hour to get out of the city if there is mild traffic sometimes. Imagine a happening.
Any way I think about employing that system practically it gets thrown in the trash immediately. It just makes me mad because you know some fucktard here is going to buy it to rely on.
Otherwise I'd buy it and keep it on my shelf. Looks fucking cool.
Well at least you have a bug out zone. My plan for the Happenings is hiding in my house until it's over or I'm dead.
Honestly, in the event of a chemical attack I doubt plate carriers would be all that useful. Everyone without a mask would be dead.
Also, I doubt anyone here would use this for SHTF. I just looked it up and prices seem rather expensive, and cartridges rare. If you want to blame a mask for killing /k/ommandos, blame cheap slavshit like the GP-5.
Got to admit these masks are the cats pajamas. 3.5 years sucking rubber every month in Kunsan with the old shit and these are so much better. I've never had one fog up on me and they are easily the most comfortable mask I have ever worn. Good luck swapping filters while wearing it without a mirror though. Also has a surprisingly good field of view. The reinforced top parts of the mesh start to dig in a bit after a few hours, but it's not nearly as bad as the old ones. Also if you wear glasses you have to get custom inserts that clip in the mask. No idea how a civie would go about that so yah hope you don't wear glasses. Just g wiz question how much protection would a tyvek painters suit provide the average poor fag kmando? With a say surplus east german or equivalent mask.
My dreams have been shattered
Certain filters can block out certain things, but no one filter can block everything. At least, none that I know of. The rebreather is effective because it does not require outside air to filter, therefore protecting against anything airborne so long as the rest of your body is protected as well.