Early reports of possible nuclear test in North Korea.
Early seismic data shows it as being too deep, but 10 km is often a place holder depth while USGS gets better data.
Chinese now reporting 0 Km depth. Probable test.
> mfw they just Belka'd their land to not get bullied online anymore
>tfw no gun ownership in Korea
>tfw will never have a bunch of Koreans shooting Norks from their roof.
Sad, my grandma's apartment was on the 18th floor in Suji and it would have been a rad sniping spot. Too bad she moved out after my grandpa died.
I mean with a somewhat success program you would think Kimmy would feed his people and create an army of ubermensch.
>I'm still not clear on if they've achieved miniaturization. Some say yes, others no.
How retarded do you need to be to not be able to build a decent nuke in this day and age?
I thought asians were supposed to be good at STEM.
Why the fuck would they do that?
I mean, Seth Efrica and Israel have (unless the Vela incident was what we think it was) tested any of their warheads.
Why would they be testing a design they already tested?
Directly proportional to population 'diversity'
>I live in Mississippi
Fuck my life, dude. I'm convinced most the folks around me are fucking stupid shit redneck fuckwads and walking black stereotypes that do no favors for their race.
>Probably announcing the end of sanitary napkin rationing.
We WW2 now.
Building and miniaturizing nukes requires large teams of scientists, engineers, and skilled workers, as well as access to the correct materials (not just fissiles, but the high grade alloys used in processing)
These people need to be educated from a young age, receive enough incentives to make it worth their while (food would probably do it in Best Korea), and have access to necessary facilities/equipment and competent management.
Frankly I'm amazed the Norths programs gone as far as it has.
>Frankly I'm amazed the Norths programs gone as far as it has.
All they are doing is proving that they are as retarded as the rest of the world. There is no reason it should take as long as it has for them to build technology that already exists in mass quantities and has for several decades.
I understand the whole Juche thing about not needing no man because they are independent women, but that doesn't mean not learning from other people.
>What's the probability that their primary reason for doing it is diplomatic reasons? Or internal political ones?
The Chinese stock market unfreezes a lot of their stocks apparently on friday and it already went down about 7% monday. But I doubt they planned it to coincide with that shit because that would be giving them too much credit.
>How did you find this so quickly?
Someone called me. I was in another thread and thought this might be interesting to do.
> Also do you think this was done to show off or as an actual test of performance?
Actual test of performance, but as with everything in DPRK, there is some political theater involved.
if that magnitude is right, then the force imparted to the earth was ~3.4ktons. If this was in a tunnel than the device was sub 5 ktons, if it was a surface blast it would be ~10-20ktons. All this assumes the magnitude was 4.9.
they hardly have enough resources to run fertilizer plants. what makes you think they can invest meaningfully in developing advanced nuclear weapons when they can hardly keep street lights on in pyongyang?
Cavity size has an effect as well. Yield is a hard thing to do from seismographs. Thats why there is still debate about the yield of previous tests.
The WC-135 thats about to take off from Kadena soon will have more info about the device in a few hours.
>they hardly have enough resources to run fertilizer plants. what makes you think they can invest meaningfully in developing advanced nuclear weapons when they can hardly keep street lights on in pyongyang?
It isn't really even about resources. I bet a bunch of graduates from MIT could design a better nuclear program with the same resources if they weren't forced to read only Juche approved material.
>What do you think is the next step for SK now?
Same thing as 2013. Cool off relations, express disappointment in the ne're do well cousins...
Nuclear weapons development by South Korea is not very likely.
>Assuming they just miniaturized a warhead
Lets not go crazy.
Too early to tell.
>what range do their current missiles offer? Still only california?
I love this show...
OP, Who is next in line to authorize a nuclear lauch after the vice president?
>OP, Who is next in line to authorize a nuclear lauch after the vice president?
>Hey, have you checked out /his/?
I am worried the /pol/sters will ruin it.
>So what's this mean for NK-SK politics?
Cooling off, harsh glances.
>US gonna actually give a shit?
The press will.
>Unrelated, how close is NK to getting a workable nuke?
I think they have a working one now.
>So how much uranium does NK have?
Hard to say, but they have resources.
>Are they literally going to blow through their entire stockpile testing shitty WW2 era bombs?
>Man, any society that stops running the fertilizer factories is pretty badly fucked. That and irrigation are the basis of a modern society.
>It isn't really even about resources.
Nah, it pretty much is all about their lack of usable uranium and food.
they've had substantial food shortages starting again around the 2012 floodings. they're still starving over there, not in pyongyang but in the mountainous regions in the northern parts of the country they'll be out scavenging for roots.
when I visited their fertilizer plant in hamhung it was nitrogen fertilizer. it didn't seem terribly active.
>Nah, it pretty much is all about their lack of usable uranium and food.
No they are literally that fucking stupid. The thing is the rest of the world is also literally that fucking stupid.
>Did the japs really test a nuke in wwii?
>Who detonated the nuke off South Africa?
Israel and South Africa joint test.
>What would NK's next step be? What's their endgame with theses tests? They can't hope to match the US or even China for a while
>Announce the imminent destruction of the west
>After negotiations, reach agreement to stop/dismantle/dial back something in exchange for food/money/girdles/big macs
>10 Months later resume what you agreed to stop doing
>>What would NK's next step be? What's their endgame with theses tests? They can't hope to match the US or even China for a while
>>Announce the imminent destruction of the west
>>After negotiations, reach agreement to stop/dismantle/dial back something in exchange for food/money/girdles/big macs
Months later resume what you agreed to stop doing
So they're literally blackmailing other nations with (mostly) empty threats and it's working?
Well believe it or not children of illegals actually have some motivation to do good since they work for everything they have, while blacks do not because welfare takes care of them.
daily reminder that the US is still doing far more damage to our own cities than North Korea ever could
They are not empty threats. They do want a nuclear capability, and they are working hard to get it.
In the meantime, they use it as a bargaining chip to elicit concessions from the rest of the planet. They know that the US political atmosphere cultivates a desire for administrations to gain political victories by claiming to reach some sort of agreement with the DPRK regarding nuclear issues.
So the DPRK gets what it wants, (concessions without any good faith commitment to actually stop their program), the US political leaders get what they want (a political foreign policy feather in their cap) and by the time it becomes an issue again the US electorate will have moved on giving the administration the opportunity to score points again with the same cycle.
>Would absolutely operate in. Why can't there be a nuclear wasteland in real life?
Slavs too busy squatting to move around to have families spread out enough that a political barrier might cause an issue. If by a small chance they some how did have family that was separated by a political barrier, there is enough vodka in their veins to not care.
Koreans on the other hand to have families separated by that line.
North Korea announced they have successfully developed a hydrogen bomb, one megaton in size.
rip in pussy
If they have a hydrogen bomb it represents a major step forward for their capabilities. Hydrogen bombs are a lot more powerful than other nuclear weapons.
Constant Phoenix will have to report in.
If the yield holds, I'm going with a successful test of a boosted fission primary.
It is in line with their claims of it being hydrogen and miniaturized, as well as explaining the lower yield than you might expect with a hydrogen bomb.
Actually, parasite load is often thought to correlate with IQ: http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2010/06/29/rspb.2010.0973.full?sid=f65fe5b5-b8d4-4e62-82ee-60c7bd44e3d3
Thought so. Time to build a wall or just nuke their sites first. Claim self-defense and fabricate reports that they were planning to nuke Seoul and we can remove them. Only downside is a refugee crisis except we can't steal educated citizens.
>They're saying it's thermonuclear, is it true?
They were probably experimenting with Hydrogen in order to make a boosted fission device and are either reporting it as fusion out of error or more likely, for propaganda.
Boosted fission basically means that they put tritium gas inside a a hollow sphere of plutonium, so that when the implosion happens, the tritium will push back and cause more of the plutonium to fissile, generating a bigger boom
Oh shit, I didn't know I was replying to you Oppenheimer. I feel like an idiot, but I correct in my hypothesis that it's disinformation. Seems too low a yield for a Fusion device.
I'd let her test my nukes
>"Reaction from China, North Korea’s most important supporter, will be key. After the 2013 nuclear test, China expressed “its firm opposition” and warned North Korea to avoid any actions that could worsen the situation on the Korean peninsula.
>South Korea’s Yonhap news agency said North Korea had not informed China that it was about to conduct the test.
>The Pyongyang bureau of Xinhua, China’s official news agency, is reporting the claims of the “successful” hydrogen bomb test"
China is not happy
>I am worried the /pol/sters will ruin it.
You might want to hold off for a few months then, /pol/ and leftypol/lit have made it their battleground and adding 'humanties' sure hasn't done it any favors.
when I was a kid my buddy and I emptied like 5 boxes of those fuckers and unraveled them in a a piece of newspaper and thew it, sounded like a gunshot. Our parents though there was a gang shooting or something and made us come in.
Emergency National Security meeting has been called in Tokyo and Seoul.
Nothing yet from the White House.
It is probably going to be up in the air from Kadena within the hour.
I'll give it a try, I just get tired of constant "nuclear weapons aren't real" levels of confusion that /pol/ slaters on any halfway decent thread like rancid mayo.
Are there any resources you would recommend to learn more about the subject beyond general sources like wikipedia? I have a chemistry background, but don't know really anything beyond common knowledge about nuclear weapons.
>China is North Korea's largest trade partner, while North Korea ranked 82nd on the list of China's trade partners (2009 est.) China provides about half of all North Korean imports and received a quarter of its exports.
Absolute KEK, would like to see that happen.
China wouldn't. They wouldn't want a refugee crisis on their hands. They wouldn't want to worry about the US/ROK moving in to unify the peninsula after the DPRK collapse. They wouldn't want to have to move in to prevent the US/ROK and then have to deal with the mess themselves.
>What if china just straight up absorbs NK.
It would be largest humanitarian operation outside of Africa, and it would set them back 10 years or more.
It's the lack of S-waves that are the main indicator.
...because that would most likely result in us invading them or some serious shit. Nuking the atmosphere is not taken lightly anymore..way less then underground or surface tests.
Gives your opponents a lot of data on your device and it's construction.
Hard to hide a fizzle.
Fallout is a concern.
Some people over there do not think nuclear weapons are real, even more think that they are real, but that they were used to destroy the WTC, and the majority see every video of an explosion coming out of the middle east and think its Israel nuking people.
Leads to higher kiloton yield, opens door to fusion weapons.
There have been plenty of incidents.
>You will get an artists rendering and you will like it.
>mfw Kim standing in front of a mushroom cloud giving the vault boy thumbs up with SK and USA on either sides holding up white flags
yeah, they probably scrounged up everything they had for this test. i doubt they would have another device ready for atleast 3 years, probably 5.
They'd be literally nuking themselves and the contaminationwould spread to their neighbors, since NK is a relatively small country. Not everyone has enough empty space for atmospheric tests. Pretty much just Russia and USA. Everyone else only used secluded isles.
>used to destroy the WTC
I never heard this theory before
Probably have 10 existing devices, give or take. Probably don't have many of the boosted primary that was (possibly) tested tonight.
>Has a Paki nuke been used in anger, lost, or given to stateless actors like the Taliban?
Way to keep that bar low enough to trip on.
Not permanently. They were found. Eventually.
Google it. Then post it to /pol/
I'm finally heading to bed.
Have a good night, /k/. If the threads still up and I have time I'll check in tomorrow.
Neat fact: look at the timing. It's right on the hour.
(NK time is something:30 ahead of UTC)
We actually discovered a bunch of soviet secret tests a while ago by looking closely at earthquakes that happened exactly on the hour
Humans are funny that way - we sure do love whole numbers
What is the likelihood that there is actually something of value left in Detroit? Gold, gems, weapons, technology... could it actually possibly be worth it to go S.T.A.L.K.E.R. mode and just scavenge shit from the ruins? Isn't much of Detroit totally abandoned?
So Oppenheimer, what is the likelihood the Saudis will start pursing the bomb now that tensions between them and Iran are at a big low? afaik they don't have any infrastructure to start on a nuclear program, but they have lots of money, and friends in Pakistan.
The USA has lost numerous nukes, as has Russia. Most lost and never found nukes are buried in mud about 5,000ft deep or more in the Ocean, and will not be recovered due to cost. Also, incredibly unlikely anybody but the Nation that lost it could recover it.
US also nearly nuked itself in the 60's. 2 of 3 failsafes preventing the nuke from detonating failed. One did not, thus the bomb did not detonate.
>advanced enough to create highly devastating weapons and shit amongst the stars
>still terrified of misreading an analog clock beyond the hour, at best quarter hours.
Fuck year, humanity.
>WASHINGTON: Amid mounting tension between Saudi Arabia and Iran over execution of a prominent Shiite cleric, a top US Senator has expressed concern that Riyadh could purchase nuclear weapons from Pakistan thus further destabilise the Middle East.
>"Saudi has good relationships with Pakistan. They could just buy a weapon and again further destabilise the Middle East," Senator Ron Johnson told a television channel in an interview.
>get attacked by feral homelessman
>shoot in self-defence
>I waz just splorin' officer. I found this homeless man with all these coppa pipes by him. He cum at me wif a knife.
>Go back and sell copper
>rinse and repeat
Saudi & Iran have closed embassies and shit, tensions are actually pretty high right now.
>unlikely anybody but the Nation that lost it could recover it.
Also the fact that if you have the tech to recover it intact and restore it, you have the tech to just build one yourself.
That one in Georgia was found last year wasn't is? Some couple was scuba diving and found it. They nearly shit themselves.
>So Oppenheimer, what is the likelihood the Saudis will start pursing the bomb now that tensions between them and Iran are at a big low?
Who do you think funded the Pakistani program in the first place?
Saudis did it in exchange for Pakistan 'holding' the nukes for them. SA can have Nukes whenever they feel like it.
Your seeing the system that detonates the shell of explosives simultaneously. This is very important as it compresses the core to critical mass. There are wires, relays, switches and detonators all over that thing.
From the studies I remember seeing this "good work motivation" starts to trend down pretty fucking quick once you get into the third generation (the original immigrant's grandchildren).
This. Oil glut was a mixture of China slowing in manufacturing, VatnikLand releasing more oil than last 20 years, and the Saudis taking advantage of that and nose-diving prices to force US drilling into submission. Prices should slabolize by September.
>There is a 70% chance you'll never be caught if you murder someone in Detroit.
Exactly. You won't have to explain yourself to anybody. Especially with a can and a good urban camo. So, could it possibly be worth it? Is it possible there's anything left other than copper? I suppose in order to get weapons you would have to fight gangsters, since they're the only ones that really have them, and the natives have looted all the jewelry and bullion by now.
I know this is going to sound silly, but I am limited to what I can say about design details of specific weapons, except in the most general terms. Even though the information is a Google away, I'm still prohibited from even offering guesses when it comes to design information of specific weapons.
I can speak in general terms, about a notional weapon, however. I could tell you that older implosion type weapons had devices designed to ensure the arrival of the detonation signal arrived at the explosive lenses at the proper timing, but I could not tell you what you had circled in that picture.
Even if it has been in the open for decades.
There are even topics about current nuclear weapons that have entire Wikipedia pages that I would be in trouble even for quoting the guy that mentioned it. Given some people on this site that would love to cause trouble, I'll just suggest that you Google.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
>chemical plant China catches fire and containers blow
>it was a nuke!
Christ almighty I feel your pain. That board can be entertaining in its own right but they are goddam retarded regarding 90% of anything that isn't a courtroom stream.
The difference is when something like that hits the news around here the only places that jump straight to "muh nukes" regardless of vastly more likely alternatives is /pol/ and /b/.
could tell you exactly what its made of. get a good estimate of how powerful and even where it was mined from on earth. Its a special type of plane also..can fly at 40,000 feet. they prolly will just go kinda near the coast though and not over land.
You know. Not even as a warmonger, but in the spirit of preserving some peace, Kim needs to be taken out and NK needs to be put under new administration. Whether it's Chinese or Korean administration I do not care.
>oil drops 60%
>produce 60% more
Economy remains the same size. Their GDP is still expanding and is expected to continue in 2016.
They take on debt for similar interest as the US. They have 800 billion dollars in government savings. They have the third largest unexploited oil and gas reserves.
Finally, they can produce a lot more than they do now.
Saudis are going to be around and fuctioning for the next 30 years.
China slowing isn't China in recession.
The PRC wants NK to remain how it is, or maybe to improve.
The opposite direction leads to 30 million refugees, world war tensions, and nuclear threats.
Hold there up there we do not know that.
We also don't know that they haven't already designed or acquired a feasible delivery system.
Assassinating KJU is a very dangerous thing to do, and if you're wrong, and they do have a viable delivery system, and they botch the job, the consequences could literally end the world as we know it.
>lets topple a small dictatorship because they have weapons we dont like
you're the reason we're in such huge debt, and why we're losing good americans over nothing. You are the problem with this country. How's about you pick up a god damn history book? We aren't the world police. If they nuke us, which isn't possible seeing as they do not have any ICBMs, we'll kill them and ww3 will start. If they nuke SK, we'll go in there and kill them. But jesus nigger lord Christ can you stop with this "le puppet government" shit? it doesn't work.
>If they nuke SK, we'll go in there and kill them.
The idea is to stop them from nuking SK or Japan. I think that's a pretty good idea. They're a rogue state in the middle of the industrial heart of the modern world. With nuclear capabilities.
Calling bullshit on the fat one and his minion country, they can't even keep the lights on.
Not how it works. If you were producing 100 Bl of oil p/a at $10/Bl and the price went down to $4/bbl you'd need to increase your production to 250 bl of oil p/a to bring in the same revenue.
But in the meantime the price has cratered further due to the excess oil on the market.
You know what the Saudis are shitting themselves about? Iran getting to export oil without sanctions. The Iranians don't rely on it as much as the Saudis, so they can dump the price further and they'll also get $100B in overseas assets to play with once sanctions are lifted.
The Saudis on the other hand are having to keep digging into their cash reserves in order to pay for their shit-show in Yemen, and to keep all the arrogant fuck head princes happy.
Yeah when I got the USGS event alert for this earlier I saw the 5.1 and figured it would be another boring South Sandwich or New Ireland alert.
Then I saw NK and was like...ah fuck here we go again.
It's likely not.
But it's looking like a step closer to a H-bomb.
Opp (I believe) thinks it may be an attempt at a fusion bomb, but it failed.
A similar magnitude to the last one. The difference is tritium seems to have been used to boost a miniaturized warhead to the 2013 test's magnitude.
Nuclear capabilities that they'll use if KJU "mysteriously died". Asians are extremely racist. NK hates Japan, Korea, vietnam, and everyone hates them back. There is no feasible way to "replace" KJU. The only way to prevent them from using their nuke is to give them the food rations they want. It's all a scheme to feed their people. NK, along with everyone else, knows that using that nuke will cause their imminent destruction.
Until we let Japan start invading people again, we are their police. It's part of their constitution though so good luck, they're just now deciding they can help in peacekeeping or something. If they have a bomb then it is our responsibility to protect Japan, even if it means toppling them. Not that anybody will and not that it wouldn't be incredibly costly and disadvantageous for everybody involved and surrounding. But if you were running it then we'd get nuked before we did anything.
>just because we don't like it
>not because they constantly threaten SK, JP, US and sometimes even CH
>not because it's specifically against UN resolutions that they keep violating
Hope Seoul has a dome over it in your world.
china effectively had no lights back when they lit their first h-bomb.
this tech is old, gramps, it ain't some cutting edge research. Simply because it's highly potent doesn't mean it takes a lot of smarts to make it - not after the cat's out of the bag.
They are keeping it from falling apart. Food shipments, some trade in basic resources, and labor/tech transfers in the border towns.
The Chinese hate the Norks nuclear program. Pissyongyang is 200 miles from Beijing.
Nork nukes are a Paki's fault. Also credit to the Norks getting the materials needed.
We really should let those japs have a military. They're pretty loyal to us, what could possibly go wrong? But Japan should also not invade NK because nukes. The point i'm making is simple, and I dont know why it's so hard to understand
>DONT WASTE RESOURCES AND SOLDIERS ON NORTH KOREA, THEY AREN'T WORTH IT
If they wanted to use their nukes, they would have used them by now. They're more paper tiger than China. How are they going to attack anyone when 50 percent of their people are famished?
Not saying it isn't a shitty idea to invade, I'm actually for nuking the stain off the face of the planet. China doesn't have to deal with immigrants, SK and Japan can stop worrying about retaliation.
It was the size of a fucking bus, and vaporized an island. Their device barely made a thump on the charts. If it was thermonuclear, it was a failure.
I understand the math. I was simplifying.
As long as you can produce enough more oil to make up for the price fall, your economy remains the same size.
Also, most others can't produce more as fast or as cheaply as the Saudis. So them producing more takes more market share than it drops the price.
Finally, Saudi's economy real value is in Saudi Dinars. Not in US dollars. As long as the Dinar falls as much as oil, the economy remains the same real size.
Iran is a small meaningless player in the oil market. Iran in 2016 will produce less than 12 other nations. About 1 million barrels a day, compared to Saudis 13 million.
The Iranians are funding the shitshow in Yemen and actively at war in Syria, Iraq, Palestine, and Lebanon. They are way more cash strapped than the Saudis.
>nuke a chinese ally and expect nothing bad to happen
I-I don't know what to say. Are you trolling me or did you just come to /k/ after you've huffed about 3 buckets worth of paint fumes?
>What would Japan have to defend against? It's not like there's a giant asian country that goes around bullying smaller countries like Taiwan and Tibet. Hmm, why even have a military pact with them? It's not like we're trying to defend them from that rhetorical Asian country!
It's /k/ talent hour tonight.
I disagree. Most experts in June 2015 put the Iranians 6 weeks of "dashing" to a nuclear weapon.
It is the argument used by pro-Iran deal shills. Same for those who disagree.
Considering Iran's larger economy, functioning industry, and more allies, it is only 3-4 years behind the Norks.
What? The argument I have always heard is that, in the absence of a deal, Iran would continue to progress. With the deal, their nuclear program can be monitored and steps can be taken to reduce their breakout capacity. If the Iranians cheat, then we are no different than before the deal. Ergo, the worst result of the deal is the best result of the previous status quo, so it is better to have the deal than not
>defending Japan from China and not from someone else
>US didn't create a psuedo-alliance with the Chinese and were not trying to befriend China until recently
>China bullying Tibet. Tibet is even "bullyable".
>China bullying Taiwan. The North defeating the South was bullying.
We are defending our interests. We like being number one. China is threatening that position so we happen to align our views with our floating bases right next to East China.
Still wondering why 99% of Worst Koreans would be against it. They know Best Korea has no intention of ever making peace. Some lose a couple family members, that's it. Checking those nice quads.
>why would China give a shit that we nuked their ally?
>67% of NK trade is with China
>NK gets wiped off the map
Pic very related
Go home Chicom, don't you have some islands to build?
You think SK can handle 30 million refugees?
What about NK's nukes?
NK has a huge military as well.
Whose filling the vacuum?
There's a reason we invaded Iraq and not the madmen who built and tested a nuke in 2006.
That argument implies that China and Russia will sign off on new sanctions if Iran violates the deal.
They won't all run to SK or the surrounding countries. If anything, the nationalism is so strong in NK that they'll rebuild. Perhaps it's possible that we could Hiroshima them into liking us, but I doubt it'll ever happen.
Koreans, hell most asians, are fucking retarded about far extended families and bloodlines. I've seen a guy get verbally dominated just because his family name came from the line of someone that did a bit of dynastic intrigue centuries ago.
Wow, I'm retarded.
>China is North Korea's largest trade partner, while North Korea ranked 82nd on the list of China's trade partners (2009 est.)
>China loses $3 b-b-BILLION a year, big fucking deal
I'm being serious. China is their ally because it stops them from doing stupid shit. If they disappear then no more stupid shit, so no more need of an ally.
Like I said, nuke it. Nuke it all. No survivors.
You're telling me you were defending Japan from Maoist China and not the Soviets?
Maoist China barely had a boat that could make it to Japan.
Maybe since 2013 that has been what the US has done, but until then China was not a threat.
I'm Japanese by the way.
You mean before the 2011 sanctions?
It's not. But having a rich Iran pursuing nukes was what caused the 2011 sanctions.
Why would it be any better now? Wouldn't it be better to keep the status quo 2011-present?
The Iran deal is handing the Northern Middle-East to Iran, Russia, and China on a silver platter.
Ok Ok Ok you're one of those guys that needs it spelled out for you. So I'm China and you're America (god help us). I just nuked Mexico because the Mexican president told me I'm a stupid, smelly gook. So you, in your infinite wisdom, would sit there and watch all the nuclear fallout and destruction happen to your own neighbor? You wouldn't even flinch? Do you even know what a nuke does, much less a modern one?
Yea, I think NK would do much, much better than Syria because Syria is a shithole ran by shit people.
>mfw my filipino grandparents immigrated here legally in the 60's.
>mfw I'm in the third generation
So far I think we've managed to do well, I'm worried about how well I'm going to do as a parent if I decide to have kids though.
>stomping the deadwood bonsai that America has been carefully grooming for nearly two centuries
I for one would love to see this.
>severe weather fluctuations
>entire towns vanishing
>no more male children born
>One in every five Chinese citizen complains about hearing Alice Cooper's No More Mister Nice Guy from within their skulls day and night
>Chinese statistics for 2013 indicate that North Korean exports to China were nearly $3 billion, with imports of about $3.6 billion.
>Mexico/US Trade (in millions)
>TOTAL 2015 198,859 (exports) 247,473.6 (imports)
>over 66 times more important in trade
>According to a 2013 BBC World Service Poll, 4% of South Koreans view North Korea's influence positively, with 90% expressing a negative view.
Nobody in SK would care.
Not to mention the biological diversity and actual functioning civilization down there. However, if they were a hellhole like Best Korea then I'd say sure thing, just use clean nukes.
>Favorable views of North Korea among Chinese people appear to be receding as well. According to a 2014 BBC World Service Poll, 20% of Chinese people view North Korea's influence positively, with 46% expressing a negative view.
Forgot to add China's views, internet went out and I didn't proofread it.
Horrifying, isn't it? Don't you think China'd be pissed off? They'd fire nukes in fear of them being next, even if we told them they wouldn't be.
The point is the Chinks want them around and if we nuke them, they'll nuke us. Thats how MAD works atleast.
I think that the Chinks don't care. I see not a single benefit gained for China by having NK around. But I agree, nuking China would make China nuke us. Fortunately I'm suggesting we nuke NK.
I think China would be more disappointed that land they could have claimed is unusable. China hasn't been anywhere near as invested into manipulating North Korea as the US has been with Mexico.
Well, thankfully you're not anyone important in the government so your opinion means nothing. I'm all for someone's right to be stupid as long as they don't use it to change things.
I live in California and we have gotten a few tremors...my husband came home from work and swore up and down he felt one at work..,he was in the basement at his job...and said he heard boxes jolt, not the usual shake...he came home and thought it was an earthquake...this happened around 17:30 pacific time...is it possible it was from North Korea?...legit question..this has been driving us crazy
The only reason China supports NK is to have not American troops close to the own boarders.
Wikileaks data show that the USA would only to be ready not to have troops in Korea and NK would be done instantly.
Truly whoever the one currently leading North Korea is, he is blessed by China, North Korea is like China's dog that tries very hard to make his master happy for food. Being in between his master and other dogs of America like South Korea and Japan, makes North Korea in a great position to protect China from American bullying.