How and why did the US fucked up so badly in the invasion of Afghanistan? If the US captured/killed Al-Qaeda or Taliban leaders would the war in Afghanistan be considered a win?
It's essentially because the American tactics were like a really fucked up application of whack-a-mole.
We'd bomb the shit out of high priority targets, sit our asses in a firebase and lockdown the nearby countryside, kill a bunch of tali, and start making progress with the local villagers.... and then go somewhere else.
We'd pull out and move somewhere else for a few weeks and do the same thing, but tali would just filter back into where we were because all the police and afghan national guard guys didn't want any fucking part of fighting/got slaughtered when they tried. Then tali would kill off all the people who got pointed out as having helped us and set up shop again.
A few weeks would pass and we'd move back into the area and the cycle kept repeating.
Only way to win was not to play, or play smart with a Northern Alliance type who was actually motivated/capable of fighting and holding ground for a long time.
I was just reading these and the CIA/military did some pretty stupid things. Seems like it wasn't ROE's.
because instead of not letting forces like Delta operate and act on intelligence when needed. Instead for instance Operation Anaconda on tora bora was held off for over 12 hours which people believe gave Osama Bin Laden time to escape as well as the local forces fighting along side them at the time werent loyal and switched sides last minute. They ended up bombing where they believed he was instead of making their way there and ofcourse he escaped. It was a lot of the higher ups simply not listening to intelligence and acting on it in a timely manner.
>If the US captured/killed Al-Qaeda or Taliban leaders would the war in Afghanistan be considered a win?
They did that, for years. It's very expensive and Afghanistan is still a shithole. The Al-Qaeda was effectively driven out of the country.
The only way to exert control in the tribal areas is to go in there and set yourself up as the strongest tribe. That's a shitty, thankless job.
You can kill as many people as you like but you can't make it into 'not a shithole'. It's always going to be a terrible place, filled with terrible people. The only winning move is to not go there.
>Pakistan isn't a country either. THe government literally doesn't control sizable portions of the country.
welcome to every country outside of Europe or the US
you underestimate how shitty afghanistan is
It's not Pakistan being scared of Afghanistan, it's Pakistan wanting to play regional power. Pakistan wanted to be the Syria to Afghanistan's Lebanon or, barring that, they wanted to make sure that Afghanistan was not aligned with opposing foreign power, i.e. India.
The only thing you need to know about why we went into Afghanistan and Iraq is because of $$$$.
War is a racket.
And remember, Afghanistan was very liberal and western oriented before the Soviets invaded.
The British did, three times.
Yeah, the Retreat From Kabul was a disaster (mainly due to a commander who was literally senile), but what everyone forgets is that afterwards they came back and burnt Kabul to the ground.
Then in the 1870s the Afghans were completely humilitaed and reduced to a British client for the next 40 years.
Then in 1919 an attempted Afghan invasion of India and attempt to spark off a second Indian Mutiny was handily thwarted.