>>28426986 >tfw kylo ren is a retardedly powerful jedi because his parents are the sister of the chosen one and the most powerful (untrained) force user in the galaxy >tfw he's a little beta cuck faggot emo and the new EU will only get worse from here
>>28426986 Really, anyone that does anyhing expetionally well in the Star Wars universe is using the force. Anakin being the only human podracer is a great example. We can assume Poe Dameron is using it aswell. Remember, the force is not specific to any type of person. Jedi, Sith, whatever, its always present in everything. The Jedi and Sith just try to snatch up kids when they are young to be religious soldiers.
>>28428982 I can see this. I don't think episodes 1-3 did a good job of showing how tormented by the dark side Anakin was and what exactly that does mentally. I imagine it is like being raped in the ear by a sand paper dildo that alternated whispering and screaming My Humps by the Black Eyed Peas constantly until you started singing along or an hero'd.
>>28429061 >I imagine it is like being raped in the ear by a sand paper dildo that alternated whispering and screaming My Humps by the Black Eyed Peas constantly until you started singing along or an hero'd. Amusing that was.
>>28429061 >I don't think episodes 1-3 did a good job
You could have stopped right there.
>inb4 hurr neckbeard OT nut hugger.
Nah, I enjoyed getting to see Star Wars for the first time in theaters as a kid (I was 12 when TPM came out and saw it in theaters on my birthday).
But there were so many better choices that could have been made to make the characters better. The first being that Anakin Skywalker should have been an adult. The Sith and Jedi should have been obscure religious cults, not a dead religion and basically a religious government agency.
>Anakin and Obi Wan are fighter pilots for the Republic during the Clone Wars. >Both are force sensitive. >Both are recruited by obscure Jedi cult. >Anakin told he is the chosen one. >Obi Wan takes to force powers more easily, but has less potential. >Anakin is super fucking jelly >Take some events from PT like Anakin growing up on Tatooine, close to mother, doesn't know father, mother kidnapped, slaughters Sand People village, hooks up with Padme who isn't an elected monarch of the only planet with two sapient species in the galaxy, Anakin thinks there's something going on between Obi Wan and his wife because in the real military and in real life dependa wives fuck other soldiers all the time and it's not exactly unheard of for women to cheat with the guys best friend >No light saber for Sidious/Emperor, also more of his political maneuvering in order to take over.
It solves a lot of the weird inconsistencies between the OT and the PT.
>>28429061 >I don't think episodes 1-3 did a good job of showing how tormented by the dark side Anakin was and what exactly that does mentally.
It would've been more interesting if Anakin and Obi Wan were after the same girl set amid the backdrop of a galactic civil war where the remaining Jedi were hell bent on their narrow religious focus while Anakin was seeking to save the Jedi & end the war. Luke & Leia's real father would've been ambiguous because lol, women. Anakin's real desire to go to the darkside were to actually end the civil war no matter the cost and resorted to collectivism to preserve the republic at cost to himself and individualism while Obi-Wan focused on individual freedom and choice.
>>28429700 >hey I got a bad feeling abo- >shut the fuck up you god damn furry fucking guava smuggler you dont know shit you're not a jedi later >hey I got a bad f- >My master said it once and I'll parrot it again, shut the fuck up you old sack you cant into the force
>>28427700 Kylo was a child of a terrorist warlord and a notorious criminal who got divorced and sent him off to live with his crazy holy-man uncle who lives in the middle of nowhere and kept a bunch of random children around to "train" them.
Han Solo is one of the most powerful, but untrained, force sensitives alive. He has the ability to hit people with his blaster because he has a slight precognition that few possess. The same reason he is able to pilot the Falcon the way he does. Anakin and Luke Skywalker are able to achieve great things while piloting vehicles because of the Force, they are also skilled combatants even with less training because of their Force sensitivity. Han Solo is very Force sensitive with no training, thus he is able to talk his way out of almost every situation (Force persuasion) and fight his way out of any other. There is no reason why a normal human would have survived all Han has survived, and there is no reason why Kylo Ren, as much of an emotional bitch he is, would be SO strong in the Force with proper training.
>>28430311 >mind listing some of these inconsistencies?
The biggest one is the "myth" of the Jedi and The Force.
In the OT the Jedi are treated like an old mythical group of supermen that existed long ago.
The Prequel Trilogy shows the Jedi as a thriving order with agents/Jedi all over the galaxy, openly taking part in trade disputes and openly leading the Republic Army into combat, as well as having open interactions with high level members of the government as advisers. And openly using force powers. On top of that they had a gargantuan temple that served as a residence for the council, library for all of the accumulated Jedi knowledge in the galaxy, and a training hall for all of their child soldiers.
There's , what, 20 years between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope?
Suddenly everyone in the galaxy forgot that Jedi actually exist and held a high level of authority in the galactic government only two decades ago?
You would think that the Jedi Council and their interaction with the Galactic government would be a well known subject taught in civics courses and social studies classes all over the galaxy.
Not only that, but fucking Chewbacca fights alongside fucking Yoda and literally sees The Force and Jedi at work.
I think there's also an inconsistency between how the older Jedi act in the OT when it comes to the force and light sabers, and how they act in the PT. Not just the weird change to overly acrobatic fencing techniques, but also the reliance on laser swords over the force when they are obviously extremely powerful and capable of persevering without them like in the OT.
Leia also claims to remember her mothers face, but the PT shows Padme dying giving birth.
IIRC Obi Wan also claims to have met Anakin after he was already an accomplished pilot.
Darth Vader is, essentially, an intergalactic badass motherfucker. Common sense would dictate his story would have to be one of three ways
>major emotional turning point >believed he could use the dark side for good and was consumed by it >corrupted by the dark side to deliberately fuck with his emotions
Instead we really got none of that. Anakin's moms death showed he already has the capabilities to be an edgelord. His easily manipulated super vauge promise from palpatine for "lol mayb i can show you how to save your wife but mayb not?? ?" The fact his moral struggle is with Windu going to kill the Emporer who literally just killed 4 Jedi police officers while resisting arrest, but then stands by his side as he usurps a government and literally tells him to murder children - which he is cool with.
We never see the corruption. All we see is some dude who wanted a quick shortcut to the point where the super vague, off chance someone might be able to help him, he is willing to fuck up the entire galaxy. If he was willing to fuck it up for a 100% guarantee promise she'd live?
Instead he basically was the reason she fucking died since he fucking choked out the woman he loves, who he is upending the dinner table that is the galaxy over?
Everything about the Prequel Trilogies I fucking hate man. The fact that the main eye candy conflict is literally Droids vs Clones, 100% disposable, endless armies with 0 consequences what so ever is just... Fuck.
What happened to this epic space opera about a government gone so space Nazi that they are willing to destroy entire planets in order to enact their iron fisted rule?
I was disappointed by the lack of stormtroopers taking cover/white armor getting dirty at all. Closest was the blood on the helmet at the beginning and even that was just so you could identify the guy later in the scene.
Also the part at the start where they executed all the villagers by standing in a circle around them filled my brain with fuck (polish ambush).
>>28432858 While I would take your post as shitposting, I will say Finns performance surprised me. His character acting and ability to deal with people was off. When he said First Order recruits are basically taken from their families at young ages, his lack of social skills and just how to "human" properly was convincing.
I don't know if it was a deliberate subtlety in his acting, or if this is how the actor normally acts (then he would be bad), but I like how not natural Finn felt as a character.
Rey as space stronk independent womyn space jesus bugged me. Her Jedi Mind Trick was fucking amazing but her just being that good at everything she does because reasons... No.
>your opinion is different than mine, you must be shit posting!
You need to get the fuck off the internet, it's broken your brain
Han Solo was the only sub par character in the film and it was because he was a caricature of himself
This movie felt real good, cried like a bitch during Rey and Ren's fight, it's actually OK to like Star Wars again, what a beautiful world, now if they would just retcon the prequels and make non retarded ones a new era of peace and prosperity will be ushered into the galaxy
>>28432998 It really bugged me that Luke just took off that easily. One whiny kid and a giant hologram of Bruce Willis shouldn't be able to do THAT much damage when you have Luke "Jesus" Skywalker on your side.
Don't even get me started on the ridiculous cost that the Starkiller Base must have been, even if it was a public works project
>>28430223 Considering that Obi was a shitty pilot and it would make her the princess of fucking Mandarloians I hope not. Half of the shit she manages to pull can be explained away because she's a Skywalker.
>>28433042 Riddle me this. What's the point of a giant system killing machine to destroy planets hundreds or thousands of light years away when a laser only goes the speed of light? In a society where faster than light travel has been achieved?
>>28433042 To be honest is probably cost a lot less than either of the death stars.
Instead of constructing a facility in space, they pretty much hollowed out an existing planet and probably used materials found on the planet itself. I would expect the R&D on laser itself to be the most expensive, since it's the first hyperspace weapon we've seen on screen.
The Star Wars movies always presents the galaxy as like this collection of basically 12 planets, when in reality the population of the Republic and the Empire is counted well past the Trillions point. It's why an entire planet blowing up isn't a "big deal" in the grand scheme of things.
Expanded Universe, which is defunct now, had empire ship yards so vast they could basically turn out a Star Destroyer every single day.
>>28433163 Jumping to light speed in Star Wars is FTL. The Starkiller laser is probably still traveling at many factors the speed of light, but it's not traveling entirely in hyperspace which is why the laser is visible in normal space time.
>>28433163 >>28433181 You both have very good points; even with the diminished industrial capacity of the First Order compared to the Empire, that sort of construction wouldn't be entirely out of the realm of possibility.
Maybe I'm just too bummed out that there was no Thrawn or shit like that
>>28433319 I'm fairly certain that they didn't do that because they already HAD superweapon that worked like that in EU. It was called the Sun Crusher or some shit like that, and I'm guessing that JJ (or an exec) pushed the idea of a death star 3.0
>>28433337 >have first order >admittedly smaller and less competent than the Empire >somehow constructs a better designed weapon than the wasteful empire did on two separate occasions
To me it would make sense that they german engineered a better, more efficient weapon.
>Well we can't build a laser that will blow up a planet >but we can drop a specially designed hypermatter charged torpedo inside a sun, which will blow it up and wide out an entire solar system
Scarier weapon on the smaller budget that is the First Order seems more realistic to me. Aren't they supposed to be these fucking nobodies just kind of shitting up the outer rim? How did they manage to build a death star without anyone learning in the time it takes to make it when they are the space equivalent of ISIS
>>28433400 >space Isis Yeah if ISIS managed to shit a Ford Class carrier out of their ass that was armed with Continental cracking nukes. The first order in general just doesn't make sense. Also >New Republic >not on Coruscant >their whole fleet was orbiting totally not Coruscant Fuck man
>>28433478 >if ISIS managed They basically have the power and engineering of pre-WW2 Germany before they invaded Poland. They are basically shitting up the outter rim and areas the republic doesn't care about.
Just cause the Emperor gets thrown off a bridge doesn't mean all those Star Destroyers stop working.
It looks like the First Order isn't engaged in all out war as much as it is them carving out a sizeable chunk of the galaxy no one really wants to be in anyways. Kind of like ISIS.
>their whole fleet was orbiting totally not Coruscant
Bullshit excuse to have the final fight not involve a fucking epic space battle. Instead it came down to like, 5 X-Wings and shit.
Maybe if your fleet was out actually policing the republic and shit you wouldn't have First Order taking over planets and building super weapons.
>>28434331 Pretty much the entire plan was to groom Luke when the time was right to do things the Old Jedi way: kill the Sith, don't ask questions. Luke rejecting that was what made for a new Order, though that clearly didn't work out long-term.
Then again, it may as well be that Rey is the true new start to the Jedi.
>>28434331 More like he was blocked off from getting to the ship--Vader had maneuvered himself into a blocking position, and all the stormtroopers in the hangar had come over to watch. The others (including, surprise, Leia) were sneaking on board, and had the opportunity to escape--but if they tried to rescue him, nobody was getting out of there alive.
So, he used his get-out-of-jail-free card, and left the table.
>>28434952 Except the never mentioned them in the movies. Sheev even refers to Vader as a Jedi, but never says shit about sith. He also refers to the light saber as a Jedi weapon in rotj with sustain, yet in the prequels every single person had one including him
We have nothing to suggest he is at this point. He merely used a lightsaber, poorly once and with average skill a second time.
Realistically, EVERYONE in Star Wars is Force Sensitive to some degree. The Jedi/Sith are just the ones who can feel it and influence it the most, thus why they were taken as kids to be raised as soldiers who use it to push things. So maybe he'll get trained? Or maybe he'll just get taught how to use a light saber?
>>28435290 >poorly once and with average skill a second time. He sucked ass the second time and made a lot of stupid mistakes. What you saw was a VERY realistic depiction of "Fit, athletic man with good hand-eye coordination and willingness to kill o rmaim trying to sword fight with no practice or experience" VS "fit nerd who watches lots of anime, may have taken one or two keno lessons, stabbed his dad, wants to kill a nigger"
>>28435380 >and is clearly meant to show that he's in completely over his head on every level.
But he's clearly in over his head. He didn't do much aside from manipulate the force. We didn't really see him fight well or deflect blaster bolts like in the PT's, but you got him doing some insanely powerful force techniques we haven't seen before.
I think his opinion is that The Force is the weapon, and the saber is merely a status symbol. Like a sword some nations still issue to soldiers for ceremonies and formal occasions. All the potential people who he would otherwise clash light sabers with basically no longer exist. Yet using the Force has been shown to have every day advantages for him.
>>28435395 I don't even understand why they had to go to the trouble of throwing out the EU. The EU had a very simple rule:
>Everything in the EU is canon, even when it contradicts itself >If something in main cannon (Movies, Cartoon, etc) contradicts something in the EU, the movies are canon and the EU is invalidated
By compete default Disney could do whatever they want, and the EU would survive or be rewritten to suit it.
The only thing Disney did that would have been a big issue regarding the EU is how easily the Empire vanished. In the EU Palpatine dying really didn't do much. The Star Destroyers and loyal StormTroopers are still there trying to enforce law. All it did was splinter some groups off and create a power vacuum some tried to exploit. The rebels still win though.
Not much in the EU takes place in the time Episode 7 does.
The only thing that doesn't mesh with the EU is Luke Skywalker going full emo and leaving.
I certainly wasn't aware of the override rule you've described. And I'd wager that 99.9% of people who give a shit about EU/Legends weren't either, or otherwise wouldn't support Disney using it because the EU material has gone unchallenged for so long (again, literally decades). Not to mention it would devolve into an absolute shitshow as >>28435589 pointed out.
Anything short of a explicit, official break with that material would have caused Disney completely unnecessary grief dealing with EU fans (such as myself) that would be left wondering what happened to the Black Fleet Crisis and the Yuuzhan Vong. As it is, I'm much happier that Disney very clearly declared that they intend to seize full creative control of the direction of the Star Wars universe. It gives me closure and certainty that the Star Wars brand and its associated products are no longer being targeted at me, leaving me free to move on.
>>28435606 >I certainly wasn't aware of the override rule you've described The Holocron continuity database was an internal database maintained by Lucas Licensing for the express purpose of trying to maintain continuity within all licensed products, prior to the April 2014 declaration of a single official canon. This Holocron was sorted into four levels of canon, that reflected LFL's canon and continuity policies: G, T, C, S, and N. G, T, C, and S together formed an overall continuity that was considered by Lucasfilm to be the "true" Star Wars canon prior to the decanonization of the Expanded Universe.
>G (George Lucas) canon was absolute canon. This category included the six films, some of the deleted scenes from the films, the novelizations of the films, the radio dramas based on the films, the film scripts, and any material found in any other source (published or not) that comes directly from George Lucas himself. G canon overruled all other forms of canon when there was a contradiction.
Oh no, you are literally ignorant.
> It gives me closure and certainty that the Star Wars brand and its associated products are no longer being targeted at me, leaving me free to move on.
Except Disney had explicitly stated they killed the EU, will be doing Episodes 7-9, and then starting a WHOLE NEW expanded universe FRESH.
>Also, a new line of material would be published by Disney Publishing Worldwide, starting with Star Wars: A New Dawn by John Jackson Miller, a prequel to the TV show Star Wars Rebels. This would be followed by Star Wars: Tarkin by James Luceno, Star Wars: Heir to the Jedi by Kevin Hearne, and Star Wars: Lords of the Sith by Paul S. Kemp and more. To ensure continuity within Star Wars canon going forth, a close story group has been formed by Lucasfilm to watch over all Star Wars development.
Yes, I didn't doubt your claim that the rule exists. But your autistic regurgitation of pseudo legalese for the meta-fictional management of a nerdy sci-fi universe doesn't change the fact that Star Wars fans (or rather, the small subset of Star Wars fans who care about the EU/Legends) interpreted the EU simply as canon, until Disney officially said otherwise.
Also, you might want to note that Leland Chee, the man who oversaw the Holocron, has since been "assigned a job within the newly formed Lucasfilm Story Group, whose main purpose is to eliminate the Star Wars franchise's current canon hierarchy and create one cohesive canon." - (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Leland_Chee)
>Except Disney had explicitly stated they killed the EU, will be doing Episodes 7-9, and then starting a WHOLE NEW expanded universe FRESH. Uh, yeah? No shit? What the fuck do you think I just said?
Let me be crystal clear: What was of interest to me--the pre-Disney de facto canon established by the EU--no longer represents the creative direction of Star Wars. The Star Wars canon as it has been incontrovertibly defined, and as it is likely to expand in the next 25 years, is not of interest to me.
Shit nigga. In the prequels the Emperor hides a plot to seize control of the galaxy and the fact that HE'S THE DARK LORD OF THE FUCKING SITH from a bunch of future seeing space wizards while he has them over for tea.
Probably not that hard for him to make them relatively forgotten.
>Then you are at fault you fuck. Sure, sure. Pardon me for only reading the stories themselves and not delving into the minutia of governance of a fictional franchise that has always had a tortured relationship between its fans and creator.
It's like you don't even know that Disney can STILL do whatever they want with material from the EU, except this way they don't have to pay any attention to details of previously written obscure stories in formulating the perfect multibillion-dollar mass-market crowd-pleaser.
>And you have literally 0 idea how EU 2.0 will pan out but you are severely butthurt about it. I have 2 hours, 16 minutes and $200 million dollars' worth of ideas as to how EU 2.0 will pan out, actually.
>>28432933 While I'd say rey was the worst character of tfa it was not the actresses fault. She was written as a mary sue if they threw in literally any hardship to her it would greatly improve her performance
>>28437666 Yeah but the way the actor did the stunts gave him a lot of potential character. He was arrogant and cruel, not the generic soft-voiced insane guy TCW's Maul was. The new legs especially ruin it, he bounces around like a kangaroo instead of doing the neat tight flips he does in TPM.
The scene in his TPM fight where he rolls over Obi-Wan's saber and does this "come at me" hand gesture was perfect. I wanted more aggressive, competitive attitude like that.
>>28437720 I enjoy how every single person who acted in the prequels was routinely directed to be shittier. Literally told to be same face no emotion robots whenever they tried to not be shit. Fucking Lucas was the worst thing for the series.
>>28437683 Well, he did spend a decade by himself on a junkyard world holding himself together with pure hate.
>The new legs especially ruin it, he bounces around like a kangaroo instead of doing the neat tight flips he does in TPM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEu_U78XFg4 They did get rid of those, you know.
It could work that way but in practice none of them do.
Admittedly if you have a Lightsaber and are Force sensitive and trained your a magic space knight that can block all shots without fail and toss out bursts of telekinectic force so a blaster would be redundant.
That helped but really his issue was he was cut off, he was clearly too old to beat Vader now and he never stood a chance against Palpatine even in his prime. Luke would get himself killed trying to rescue him so he just let Vader kill him so he could be a Force Ghost and everyone else could leave.
>>28437991 Well, I think the reasoning for a lightsaber was this: Jedi: A defensive weapon that gives the aggressor time to decide "fuck, shooting this guy isn't working!" and possibly allow for deescalation of the situation. Sith: Pride in power. You're so badass that you will take a sword to a gunfight and win.
Literally everything from the EU was invalidated with TFA. Luke's Jedi Order failing, Han and Leia's marriage imploding, the New Republic being totally different, the First Order, Han and Leia having only one son with a totally different name instead of twins and a younger kid, Chewbacca not dying etc.
It's so different it would be simply just to make the EU non canon that try to claim the minor books and the stuff before the Solo kids were born are canon but nothing else is.
>>28438303 Kylo 'killing' him was the plan all along. He infiltrated the dark side to kill Snoke, but needed to prove his allegiance by resisting his parents' love before he could see Snoke in person. If you remember at the end, Snoke says he will finally see him to finish his training
>>28438480 Plus the obvious elements of >obviously never see Han's corpse >In almost the exact same fashion, Luke took a similarly daunting fall down the Cloud City trash chutes after a lightsaber injury and survived >Could go so far as to say it was Han who activated Kylo's lightsaber [spoiler] when he knew it was aimed at a nonvital body part [/spoiler]
>>28438528 >In almost the exact same fashion, Luke took a similarly daunting fall down the Cloud City trash chutes after a lightsaber injury and survived Luke only had a hand taken off, not through the chest with a beam that instantly sends metal to orange-hot.
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