As a university bro who studied the war on drugs and cartels, I was so happy to see somebody tell a story of what it's really about instead of "but drugs are bad and a threat to muh freedoms"
>"until 20% of the population quits smoking and snorting shit, the best thing we can do is manage the chaos." >"you should find some small town where the rule of law still exists. This is the land of wolves, and you are not a wolf."
Why is everyone bitching about the paper signing at the end? Everyone knows the piece of paper doesn't matter. Its telling her to keep her mouth shut if she values her life. Because they wont hesitate to kill her.
>>28427242 Sorry, but you're wrong. The attorney thing was cover up. In fact he wasn't even Mexican -- columbian.
If you paid attention you would have noticed people called him "medellin", the city that escobar was from... At the very end when he assassinates the mexican "jefe", del toro's character basically calls him out for his brutality and how he essentially had his family killed. The "jefe" responds with something along the lines of "it wasn't personal" and "who do you think we learned it from"... This alludes to the fact that the mexican cartels learned their tactics from the columbians (specifically guys like del toro).
Or, yeah keep believing he was a mexican attorney picked up by the CIA and turned into a veritable Rambo.
Only part I didn't like is how they made the female character a little bitch. I mean, she's supposed to be about as operator as most other non-delta guys there, just on a state-level law enforcement basis so not a soldier - but she should be able to get her shit in check at the very least. She's a fucking FBI door kicker that never wanted desk jobs ffs.
Instead she always only appears as a whiny bitch who has no idea what the hell she's doing. The movie would have been much better if she freaked out at the end because of what was going on, but otherwise kept her cool and operated(tm) well within her possibilities during the rest of the movie.
>>28424987 >>28424900 >>28425045 IF SHE SIGNS: Option 1: She is left alive. This is ideal. It would be very difficult for her to talk in the future, since her signature is there and very much real, so she is now no real threat. No further action is required. Nice and pretty ending. Option 2: She is killed after signing. This is a bad move. Because you already have what you want, her death is an unnecessary complication. There is no real reason to kill her at this point.
IF SHE DOESN'T: Option 1: Kill her. Blame it on the cartel that already made an attempt on her life earlier. Pick out a new, more easily managed liaison. Option 2: Her signature is forged and she is killed to prevent her talking. A solution, but not the ideal solution, as you now have the dead cop to complicate matters and a fake signature. Manageable, but avoid if possible. Option 3: Her signature is forged and she is left alive. Having already proven to be uncooperative in the face of threats, she is now very likely to dispute and an investigation may ensue. This is dumb as dogshit.
>>28427343 ok, I don't know why you are trying to convince me that he was colombian because that is clear as day when you watch the movie I have never for a second believed that he is Mexican..
Now, the attorney BACKGROUND is from a while ago, like a few years before the movie starts. And yes, you are saying he works for cartels.. I said the exact same thing but in his younger days he was an attorney. The guy is in his 40s maybe 50s, he had time to be both attorney and cartel
>"who do you think we learned it from"... This alludes to the fact that the mexican cartels learned their tactics from the columbians No, he means he learned it from Americans.
Sounds like you totally forgot about the scene where Alejandro is getting water when the lawyer representing Mexico comes up to him at the fountain and they talk about how he's glad the lawyer is still carrying on the fight (against the cartels) and that the lawyer is sorry for what happened to Alejandro's family.
>>28427969 >they get caught for any reason on sovereign ground by other alphabet soups they get in big shit. >the slight chance of publicity leak is bad for presidents and other elected officials. The government's agencies definitely still police each other. They're very territorial about their respective jurisdictions.
Eh, I thought she did about as well as can be expected for a non-spook. She gets blows away a few mexicans and is beat up by two guys who are clearly much bigger than her. Her coworker accomplished less.
acting like the cia hasnt already infiltrated the fbi enough to have reliable liaisons for domestic/border operations. this cunt being randomly recruited and placed in hot cross border operations instantly was unrealistic. but of course, muh good people. muh internal struggle. personally i think they should have gotten way deeper and darker.
>>28426965 Alejandro was a Mexican prosecutor who got recruited by the Colombian cartel and then outsourced by them to the CIA.
This movie wasn't too complicated and yet every Sicario thread here and on /tv/ raises the question whether half of the audience was playing with their iphones the entire screen time. Sometimes I get it why the capeshit got so big in recent years.
What if she actually had been killed by a real cartel member? FBI would have had no choice but to send them another observer, or just sign off on the proceedings without one. Sure, it wouldn't be ideal, but shit happens. An officer being killed in the line of duty isn't grounds for suspicion of the CIA, at least in the legal sense.
Of course, it's likely that people in the FBI would privately suspect that the official story may not be the truth, but what are they going to do about it?
You mean footage of a bunch of random dudes with no clear identifying markings having a shootout with a bunch of other dudes with no clear identifying markings, on a MEXICAN highway, in which no Americans were hurt?
>>28428454 >Hey, some cartel thugs got wasted in Mexico on the border crossing of Juarez Gee, not like that shit wasn't happening every goddamn day practically back when shit was really flying in that area a few years back.
>>28429207 >>28429120 I loved that whole briefing room segment >Bitch sits down >Surrounded by obvious veteran Delta, SAD spooks, and U.S. Marshals. >All are yucking it up, clearly familiar with one another and display no visible nervousness about going into Juarez She was such a blatant fish-out-of-water and above her paygrade, and you, the audience, and her character are simultaneously trying to determine what the fuck some measly FBI door-kicker is doing there.
No, he means the Colombians. How would they learn the cartel business from the Americans? The collapse of the Medellin facilitated the Mexican cartel's takeover of the drug trade, naturally they would know the ins and outs of their predecessor's practices.
The Medellin were notorious for assassinating the opposition, including their families, which is estimated to reach around 3,500 people. That's what hes saying they learned.
>>28428285 Yeah I mean I don't want her to accomplish more, just to act the part of an FBI agent and not some random desk idiot with a gun.
>get order to get out of the car She's like "wtf" and just sits there, SCARED. Now, I understand you're still shocked at the fact you're not where they told you you'd be, and you're witnessing highly illegal shit, but for fucks sake when the shit hits the fan you obey orders, she surely was trained enough for that.
>spooky tunnel scene where she just stands back, gets shot on her gun, then for whatever fucking reason takes the wrong tunnel and points her gun at a friendly "because I am le good cop" Again, what the fuck. I understand she wanted to start shit but she just came out as a little bitch that couldn't control herself in a dangerous situation and almost botched the whole operation. She also gets shot for this, which makes her seem even more pathetic.
>comes back from the tunnel and attacks her superior, which absolutely stomps her because he's a man three times bigger than her This scene would have played out much better if she just slapped him out of rage for what had just happened, told everyone here that they're fucking helping drug cartels, scene where delta/etc guys kinda look at her like "what" then he drags her over and explains the situation face to face.
Dunno, it's the little details. She always comes off wrong, which wouldn't be a big deal if she was a secondary character, but she isn't.
>>28429391 I was the first guy above to suggest this. Just came back to this thread to explain this. Thanks for doing my work nucka.
As for whether or not he was a real prosecutor, the most I'll concede is that he was an "implanted" prosecutor for the narcos.
Here's my theory, he started out with the medellin cartel, when escobar fell, he was acquired up by the mexicans and pretty much picked up where they left off. The Mexicans then figured out a way of making him a "man on the inside" prosecutor. At some point something happened where he was betrayed by the narcos, consequently his family was murdered. After this he found his way into the hands of the CIA. Hence, "Alejandro goes wherever will give him a gun" or however the quote went.
Regardless, he was definitely the most interesting character.
>>28429285 I actually dislike that scene in your file, and the parts leading up to it. Way too hollywood for shootings with the speed and accuracy, i guess it was pretty fucked up some the people he killed at the end also. >>28427399 I liked her character because she wasn't super bullet dispensing machine like that lawyer and it sort of made the operators feel a lot more dangerous engaging in a fight instead of just instantly gunning everything down and added some suspense really wasn't that bad at the end though because it was just wrapping up the movie. Liked a lot of the actors they picked like getting the dude to look somewhat nerdy, balding operator guy. Looked way more like average people than the typical roided out long hair blowing in the breeze underwear model roided out look stars tend to have to try to do to 'look' the part.
"When getting ready to ice a car full of cartel thugs, make sure to look away for a moment to make them think you've lost focus. Then you can quickly take them out and claim self defense when they make a move on you."
>>28429737 >Or just legalize the shit and stop the chaos. Uh huh. Like they did in Colorado. Now they have rolling brownouts and manmade droughts in rural Idaho to feed your need to get stoned, and local law enforcement can't do jack against a small army of brown people with tattoos and machine guns. But as long as you feel good.
>>28429989 I know that's not how it works, but she doesn't notice him, is the thing. She enters the room quickly, moving to the left in good ol buttonhook maneuver, but she never once noticed the guy with the shotgun aiming straight at the fucking door. In fact, when she gets shot it's a fucking shock.
That, and she moves pretty damn quick. If she saw him, she would be able to clear her section and engage the threat easy as fuck, but instead she gets jumped by some taco with a shotgun in clear LOS.
>>28429806 >Now they have rolling brownouts and manmade droughts in rural Idaho to feed your need to get stoned, and local law enforcement can't do jack against a small army of brown people with tattoos and machine guns.
ok picture this, some weirdo crossing a tunnel from the US to Mexico then kidnapping el chapos brother then forcing him to drive to el chapos house killing him and 5 of his henchmen then murdering el chapo with his family during dinner. If you think this scenario is remotely realistic than youre a retard.
>how realistic Nothing I remember as technically impossible, but many of the shots that Alejandro makes are Jerry Miculek-level feats of gunslinging. I'm thinking about the very end when he lines up three headshots at close range in less than a second and without looking down the sights. No thriller or action film is ever going to be "realistic," at best, hyperrealistic.
>>28430375 simply the fact that Del toro made it to the mob bosses house. These guys have people watching who comes near their house from 30 miles out or more and not just a few guys guarding them think 20 plus not mention his brother driving his own car from the states to the mob bosses house and not even having guards driving with him. Seriously Americans got that whole part wrong but I guess it was needed for the movie to end the way it did.
>>28427399 >she's supposed to be about as operator as most other non-delta guys there Except that is wrong. It's like you've missed the whole point of her character. They even fucking spell it out for you.
I only know about the Brian Terry incident as far as reported incidents involving Americans go, but shootouts happened all the time around 07 and it's plausible alphabet soup agencies were involved. Read The Unarmed Truth by John Dodson and make up your own mind.
>>28435638 >Being the faggot that quotes the whole thread Its just a bit of gut. Real operators can have them too and as long as they can still pull their weight and maintain the standard, it literally doesn't matter. For example, Marcus Luttrell was always a bit fat and Billy Waugh had a beergut from the 1980s all the way up to 2001.
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