i just got an 1863 model pocket pistol by pietta for edc due to outrageous gun laws. Is it a good option? Any experiences carrying cap and ball weapons?
i think piettas have a safety notch between chambers in the cylinder so you can load all 6
also OP, i can guarantee you carrying a loaded black powder is illegal and not the loophole you think it is in getting you around any gun carry laws
Get the army repro in .44 its a great starter for getting into bp
not as reliable as enclosed cartridge, or they wouldnt have gone out of style. if you ever read some historical accounts you will see misfires were quite common. also, caps can fall off or get unseated, and the cyclinder can jam up after a shot when exploded cap residue gets stuck between the cylinder and frame
No more so than it was when it was replaced by cartridge firearms 150 years ago.
I was in a similar situation to you and just got a flare gun and an insert to fire 45LC and 410.
Because they're weak (at least the .31 pistol in the OP, .44 with 30 grs of bp has about the same power as .38 special). Also, unreliable and bulky for the amount of shots it carries.
>OP is Walking down the Street, his Mind occupied by his personal Matters
>When Suddenly a gang of Ruthless Apache Warriors emerge from the shadows, armed with Tomahawks and Warclubs
>In an instant he pulls out his trusted pocket Revolver!
>Due to poor maintenance and negligence his Poudre fails to Ignite
>OP is uncerimoniously Deprived of his Life, Property, and Scalp
>Let this be a Warning to all Free Men to Well Regulate your personal Arms
>Yeah I did is that bad?
If you bought a steel frame you could have purchased a cylinder for cartridges. These cylinders can handle modern ammunition. (assuming it's a .44 revolver, it'll fire .45 colt that doesn't break 1000 fps) and still be considered an antique.
Unfortunately brass frames are too weak to handle that.
Not op but of course I know it's illegal as hell.
It pretty much boils down to
- Buy gun have it delivered to your door.
- Fill out forms to buy.
- Pay additional taxes/ fees.
- finally get a gun.
- Fill out more forms.
- Pay additional taxes.
- Now you can finally carry, until they come to take your guns because you were dumb enough to be a registered gun holder.
> be operating tactically inna walmart for victuals and such
> suddenly, a wild gunman appears
> reach for your twin 1847 Walkers and skin those smoke wagons
> scream "Rreeaach fer tha skyyyyy!" and blast 12 rounds of glorious .44 lead balls at him
> disappear into a cloud of blackpowder smoke
it's just the carrying without a license that's illegal. at least in states with license requirements for conceal carry. because a loaded (and capped or primed) antique blackpowder is still considered a firearm
Op here. What about edc outdoor? Like I said I'm going to be living on a nature perserve so will the revolver I posted hold up to being carried every day? Is there a higher chance of misfires if I leave it loaded for weeks on end with the caps on and everything?
OP you can't legally carry a loaded black powder revolver, how many times does someone have to say it? if you are going through the trouble of illegally carrying a firearm why are you stuck on getting an antique one?
I had an ancestor who was the city Marshal of Marshall, Texas back in the late 19th and early 20th century. He carried a Walker that had been given to him by an elderly family member. I don't know if it was converted to cartridge or not, but he apparently did kill somebody with it.
> be Uncle Frank (what my grandfather called him), hanging around the house for stereograph and chill
> suddenly, a wild dindus appears with appears tale of another dindus who had returned home from prison, walked straight to the nearest juke joint appears stabbed a third dindu to death
> Uncle Frank yokes up the buggy and heads out to where the dindu holed up
> dindu walks out to greet Frank
> Frank: "Get in the buggy."
> dindu: "No."
> Frank: "No, srsly. Get in the buggy."
> dindu: "I'm not going back to jail." *pulls out knife*
> Frank pulls out 4.5lb Walker pistol and levels it at didndu's cranium
> Frank: "Boy, get in the buggy."
> dindu: "No."
> Walker: "BOOM"
> Frank: "Alright, the rest of you put him in the buggy."
Humidity is the big thing, short of it getting wet. If you keep it on your person and are sweating, you will have more issues, probably needing to repack the cylinder every week. Sealing it with grease or wax would help.
black powder amateur here :
don't forget caps for bd revolver are n°10 but some brand are tighter than others and if you plan on keeping it loaded, use dynamit brand caps there are better than one's found at cabela's
and lightly greasing the capped nipples with something that does not contain water ( I use vaseline, no homo),
by sealing both ends of the chamber our ancestors could keep their guns ready to fire after crossing a river.
The biggest problem with carrying a BP pistol is keeping the caps in place. Use the right sized caps. Grease works. I've heard of super gluing them on. Melted wax too. Never rest the hammer on a loaded cylinder. Just get used to the idea of a five shooter. Half cock notch, cylinder notch, none of it is trust worthy enough to bet your balls, much less your life on.
People have found Colts that have lain loaded for a century or more. They fired just fine. I wouldn't worry too much about it as long as you use real black powder, black powder substitutes are known to degrade after some time.
I would have no problem carrying this.
Should be fine in little .31 pistol like that. It takes a lot of shooting to warp a .44 brass framed revolver, as long as you're using black powder it shouldn't matter. Just don't use smokeless.
This. My .50 CVA Mountain Rifle is one of the most accurate long guns I own.
Not after it sits around loaded a few days with crude, sensitive powders, tucked tight in a sweaty coat pocket, powder loaded with brass measures, balls with weights varying by 15-25 grains.
Done right and under ideal circumstances, yeah it's accurate enough, but there is a reason I went in-line on my last black powder rifle.
There is no issue with brass unless you use a cylinder conversion. I measured the frame on my brass 1858 Remington with calipers when I bought it, no change after 1,200 rounds of normal loads.
they do, it's just that OP already said he is only 19. OP is already a confirmed idiot for not caring about illegal conceal carry or under 21 handgun possession laws, and still choosing an antique blackpowder over a modern pistol for the same exact legal ramifications.
Who makes the best conversion kits for steel frames so you can go from BP to modern munition?
I'd love to have a Remington 1858 that could shoot .BP and maybe .45 acp or .38/357 when I'm too bored and lazy to go full reproduction and load + order black powder components.
he can own and OC an unloaded black powder all he wants. the second he loads and caps it, it becomes treated as a loaded handgun under north carolina law. you cant be under 21 and open carry a loaded handgun in NC
>you cant be under 21 and open carry a loaded handgun in NC
Yes you can. You can be 18 and carry a handgun in NC, loaded or unloaded.
But this still doesn't answer my question as to why he thinks he needs a BP gun. Just get a regular one.
>N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-269.7 provides that it is a misdemeanor for any person under the age of
eighteen (18) to willfully and intentionally possess or carry a handgun.
It does not differentiate between loaded or unloaded
And I was wrong earlier, you can get a purchase permit at 18, but you can not use them at FFLs. So you could buy privately.
Is it a good option?
.36cal is pretty goddamn anemic
SAO is pretty goddamn slow to shoot
black powder is dirty as fuck
brass frames are shitty
use the cylinder notches
I'd suggest using pyrodex pellets and CCI primers
also if you are carrying a locked and loaded cap and ball you'll probably still be charged with a crime until the point a lawyer you have to pay for gets you out of it.
>These cylinders can handle modern ammunition. (assuming it's a .44 revolver, it'll fire .45 colt that doesn't break 1000 fps) and still be considered an antique.
once you put a conversion cylinder in the revolver, it's a firearm for life. Putting a conversion cylinder into a pistol and adding a stock is creating an unregistered SBR.
Now there is no way besides self incrimination to be "caught" for this, but it is still 20 years in pound me in the ass federal prison for violating.
>also if you are carrying a locked and loaded cap and ball you'll probably still be charged with a crime until the point a lawyer you have to pay for gets you out of it.
Only if he's under 18, or a felon, or has had the right stripped for any other reason.
Hell yeah i just bought a CVA off Armslist for a buddy as a gift. My personal one is a .45 kentucky imported by FIE
>muh new raifu
I've had it for all of 4 hours and I already love it. Much tighter than the lower 1858 pietta revolver.
well johnson this primitive single action revolver is clearly not a firearm as we've learned from police academy gun school better let this lil fagget go
then ask one of them about what they'd do if they arrested a tyrone and he was mexican carrying a colt new army.
>inb4 hurr muh 3%er super cops in bumfuck would never fuck over my methhead ass over CCing a bp revolver "legally" to give me a rough night in jail and a years worth of legal proceedings to get the county DA office to drop your charges
You can get a purchase permit at 18 its just some sheriff's offices are dicks and don't issue them because it's "not their policy"
You can get one out of your county of residence if you only put "collecting" down as the reasoning
I'm not 21 yet so I carry pic related. I normally have it at 4 o'clock
I'm >>28433582 and the action is 110% tighter and the trigger pull is sub 1lb. If I could do it again I'd have dropped the extra 60 dollarydoos for an uberti revolver. Both are great, but the uberti's action is far superior.
almost bought a "cimarron" 1858 factory cartridge conversion 5.5" barreled .38spl.
>driving 50mph instead of 49mph on a 45mph road
>pull over like a good citizen
>sir do you have any weapons I should know about?
>why yes I have a revolver in my pants but it's blackpowder and not legally a gu..
>ON THE GROUND ON THE GROUND NOW
>but it's blackpowder and not considered a firearm on the federal or state level! ;_;
>can beat the rap but not the ride.jpg
>>driving 50mph instead of 49mph on a 45mph road
>>pull over like a good citizen
>>sir do you have any weapons I should know about?
>>why yes I have a revolver in my pants but it's blackpowder and not legally a gu..
>>ON THE GROUND ON THE GROUND NOW
>>but it's blackpowder and not considered a firearm on the federal or state level! ;_;
>>can beat the rap but not the ride.jpg
OK, I don't think you're understanding, so I'll make it as simple as I know how.
In the state of North Carolina, if you are under 18, or have had the right to own a firearm stripped from you, you may not own, OC or CC a handgun, black powder or not.
If you are 18 or older, and have not had your right to do so stripped from you, you may own and OC, but not CC, a handgun, black powder or not.
If you are 21 or older, and have not had the right stripped from you, you may own, OC, and CC (with a permit) a handgun, black powder or not.
I don't know how to break it down any simpler than that. If Tyrone is in legal possession of said handgun, then they might arrest him on other charges, but not for that.
Also, in the state of North Carolina, you are required by law to disclose that you are a CC permit holder and are carrying a handgun. So it's not like it's uncommon for a cop to have someone say they have a gun. They don't overreact.
the only difference is more lead sheared off by the ramrod
personally I'd go for the .320's since i use .457 balls for my 1858. you can forgo patches and bore butter with the larger balls.
>still not getting it
the rule of law and the rule of officer johnsson getting a cold coffee this morning and your "legal" bp revolver CC'd in a way illegal with a normal centerfire pistol pissing him off are not the same thing.
Also, you're not understanding. As far as carrying is concerned, in the state of NC, ALL handguns are equal. Black powder, flintlock, cartridge, whatever. They're all legally the same. There is not way that you can "legally" carry a BP handgun that would be illegal for a cartridge handgun.
So I heard, some of the sheriff's have really taken their freedom to infringe and run with it.
I live in wake now and its an easy online application with multiple payment options and they called me back the next day to get it.
However, in the county I grew up in, Alamance, its a 3 or 5 page application you have to print out and mail. On top of:
> 2 notaries
>3 personal references
I cannot wait for the day we repeal this Jim crow bullshit, but NC's Bloomberg branch shoots it down every session because "much chilluns" its 95% stay-at-home Raleigh/Cary moms with nothing to do but stand in front of the Capitol building all day.
I forgot all states are North Carolina apparently
>being so cucked that you can't OC a fixed blade knife or own BP as a felon
your state is the most beautiful in the nation with the best national parks but goddamn are your laws Commiefornia tier.
your options are oil infused patches between the powder and ball or sealing each chamber with grease. Bore butter works for this quite well.
IRL it's less of an issue of safety and more an issue of cleaning. Using a greased wad or bore butter cuts down on fouling. Chain fires are mostly the result of improperly sized balls.
>can't OC a fixed blade knife
When did this become law ? I have been doing for the past 10 years at campsites with not so much as a second glance from any law enforcement, and half that time I was a minor.
>one BP law
>one Permit law
> commiefornia tier
I don't think so
>When did this become law ?
It didn't. He doesn't know what he's talking about
>he should buy a normal cartridge firing weapon
That's what I've been saying this whole fucking time.
We got those too.
I use these for the rare time .454 balls don't suffice. BP is a pretty retarded EDC choice. that's why they made cartridges friendo.
there are different brands of lubed wads
I've never had problems with the crosspins in my uberti navies, other than when they're brand new they are really tight and hard to get out without giving it a nice smack with a brass mallet