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i just got an 1863 model pocket pistol by pietta for edc due to outrageous gun laws. Is it a good option? Any experiences carrying cap and ball weapons?
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>>28423012
>due to outrageous gun laws

You a felon?
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Oh god no lol I live in nc and I'm working on a nature perserve
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>>28423012
Don't load the cylinder you rest the hammer on and don't use smokeless powder.
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Why not load the cylinder I rest the hammer on? Excuse my ignorance
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>>28423012
Ive been wanting to get into black powder. Are pietta's good for starters. If so which model? Caliber?
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>>28423046
i think piettas have a safety notch between chambers in the cylinder so you can load all 6

also OP, i can guarantee you carrying a loaded black powder is illegal and not the loophole you think it is in getting you around any gun carry laws
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>>28423012
Use thick grease or wax to seal the cylinder and repack it every so often, at least once a week in humid environments.
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>>28423055
well, what do you think happens if you drop the gun and the hammer hits the floor while sitting over a loaded and primed chamber?
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Did I pick a good model? It's pretty small and lightweight which is good for edc
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>>28423063
That's a welcome improvement. I tried hunting with an Army reproduction and had it pop off from the loose hammer just tapping the cap repeatedly.
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>>28423063
This. Triple check your state laws, hell ask a lawyer friend. May as well carry a more concealable modern pocket gun if you're breaking the law anyway.
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>>28423062
Get the army repro in .44 its a great starter for getting into bp
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Too big for conceal carry and im assuming too heavy as well
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But bottom line is a cnb weapon a reliable and useful gun for edc?
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>>28423241
People have used them for the past 150 years. They're not as reliable or powerful as a modern pistol, but they'll kill someone.
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>>28423159
is .44 the best caliber to get overall If I only plan on getting 1 BP Pistol.
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>>28423241
not as reliable as enclosed cartridge, or they wouldnt have gone out of style. if you ever read some historical accounts you will see misfires were quite common. also, caps can fall off or get unseated, and the cyclinder can jam up after a shot when exploded cap residue gets stuck between the cylinder and frame
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>>28423241
if its all i had, i would carry it for EDC. but since its 2016 and you can literally buy a new modern 9mm for the same price, there is no point
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>>28423241
No more so than it was when it was replaced by cartridge firearms 150 years ago.

I was in a similar situation to you and just got a flare gun and an insert to fire 45LC and 410.
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>>28423241
>>28423293
>>28423300
Simple answer.
No, they're not suitable for EDC
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>>28423321
They're better than nothing. Even a Jennings or a Hi-Point would be better, though.
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Why aren't they suitable?
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>>28423337
read:
>>28423300
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>>28423337
Safety, reliabilty, and accuracy are going to be less than modern norm. They are also a pain in the ass to use for anything other than recreation or hunting.
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>>28423337
Because they're weak (at least the .31 pistol in the OP, .44 with 30 grs of bp has about the same power as .38 special). Also, unreliable and bulky for the amount of shots it carries.
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The biggest reason I'm asking is because I'm only 19 so I can't really carry anything else
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>>28423384
What state are you in?
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North Carolina. I can only own a cartridge firing pistol for recreation only
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>OP is Walking down the Street, his Mind occupied by his personal Matters
>When Suddenly a gang of Ruthless Apache Warriors emerge from the shadows, armed with Tomahawks and Warclubs
>In an instant he pulls out his trusted pocket Revolver!
>Due to poor maintenance and negligence his Poudre fails to Ignite
>OP is uncerimoniously Deprived of his Life, Property, and Scalp
>Let this be a Warning to all Free Men to Well Regulate your personal Arms
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Op here. That made my day lol
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>>28423295
It's pretty common but if you get a brass frame revolver you have to load it quite a bit lighter than usual.
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What do you mean?
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>>28423517
OP did you get a brass framed revolver?
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Yeah I did is that bad? I figured it would be lighter weight and considering I'm going to be mainly logging that would help
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>>28427861
>Yeah I did is that bad?
If you bought a steel frame you could have purchased a cylinder for cartridges. These cylinders can handle modern ammunition. (assuming it's a .44 revolver, it'll fire .45 colt that doesn't break 1000 fps) and still be considered an antique.
Unfortunately brass frames are too weak to handle that.
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I'm not going to be doing that anyway. Is that brass frame an issue for just cap and ball 31 caliber? And thank you, you've all been a big help to me and my black powder ignorance
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>>28427917
>Is that brass frame an issue for just cap and ball 31 caliber?
Don't overload the cylinders and it'll be fine.
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Thank god lol yall had me worried for a second
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>>28427950
Learn to reply to posts, newfag
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>>28428011
Ok
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Has anybody here had experience conceal carrying a black powder weapon?
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>>28423063
Not op but of course I know it's illegal as hell.
It pretty much boils down to

- Buy gun have it delivered to your door.
OR
- Fill out forms to buy.
- Pay additional taxes/ fees.
- Wait
- finally get a gun.
- Fill out more forms.
- Pay additional taxes.
- Wait.
- Now you can finally carry, until they come to take your guns because you were dumb enough to be a registered gun holder.
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>>28423475

> be operating tactically inna walmart for victuals and such
> suddenly, a wild gunman appears
> reach for your twin 1847 Walkers and skin those smoke wagons
> scream "Rreeaach fer tha skyyyyy!" and blast 12 rounds of glorious .44 lead balls at him
> disappear into a cloud of blackpowder smoke
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>>28428702
this is the dream
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>>28428699
it's just the carrying without a license that's illegal. at least in states with license requirements for conceal carry. because a loaded (and capped or primed) antique blackpowder is still considered a firearm
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>>28428702
fake
>such
>sich*
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Op here. What about edc outdoor? Like I said I'm going to be living on a nature perserve so will the revolver I posted hold up to being carried every day? Is there a higher chance of misfires if I leave it loaded for weeks on end with the caps on and everything?
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>>28428819
OP you can't legally carry a loaded black powder revolver, how many times does someone have to say it? if you are going through the trouble of illegally carrying a firearm why are you stuck on getting an antique one?
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>>28428736

I had an ancestor who was the city Marshal of Marshall, Texas back in the late 19th and early 20th century. He carried a Walker that had been given to him by an elderly family member. I don't know if it was converted to cartridge or not, but he apparently did kill somebody with it.

> be Uncle Frank (what my grandfather called him), hanging around the house for stereograph and chill
> suddenly, a wild dindus appears with appears tale of another dindus who had returned home from prison, walked straight to the nearest juke joint appears stabbed a third dindu to death
> Uncle Frank yokes up the buggy and heads out to where the dindu holed up
> dindu walks out to greet Frank
> Frank: "Get in the buggy."
> dindu: "No."
> Frank: "No, srsly. Get in the buggy."
> dindu: "I'm not going back to jail." *pulls out knife*
> Frank pulls out 4.5lb Walker pistol and levels it at didndu's cranium
> Frank: "Boy, get in the buggy."
> dindu: "No."
> Walker: "BOOM"
> Frank: "Alright, the rest of you put him in the buggy."
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I understand it's illegal I just really want to carry one. Will it still be functional after weeks of being loaded?
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>>28428948
Humidity is the big thing, short of it getting wet. If you keep it on your person and are sweating, you will have more issues, probably needing to repack the cylinder every week. Sealing it with grease or wax would help.
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Yeah I heard bear grease kicks ass. What about the caps? How often do I have to change them out?
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>>28429026
I would change them with the repacked cylinder, even if they last a bit longer. They are cheap enough and I would hate to have it not fire over $0.07.
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>>28429026
black powder amateur here :
don't forget caps for bd revolver are n°10 but some brand are tighter than others and if you plan on keeping it loaded, use dynamit brand caps there are better than one's found at cabela's
and lightly greasing the capped nipples with something that does not contain water ( I use vaseline, no homo),
by sealing both ends of the chamber our ancestors could keep their guns ready to fire after crossing a river.

anyway
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>>28429098
That's awesome I wouldn't have thought about greasing the nipples
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>>28429167
Always grease the nipples
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>>28429098
Have you ever carried a black powder weapon innawoods?
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>>28428845
He could legally carry it with the powder and ball loaded, but not the caps. That would be like carrying an unloaded gun, though.
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The biggest problem with carrying a BP pistol is keeping the caps in place. Use the right sized caps. Grease works. I've heard of super gluing them on. Melted wax too. Never rest the hammer on a loaded cylinder. Just get used to the idea of a five shooter. Half cock notch, cylinder notch, none of it is trust worthy enough to bet your balls, much less your life on.
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>>28429026
People have found Colts that have lain loaded for a century or more. They fired just fine. I wouldn't worry too much about it as long as you use real black powder, black powder substitutes are known to degrade after some time.
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Anybody know if they make steel framed Remington army?
All I can find are brass framed repros
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>>28429359

Why do you tease me so with that sexy, sexy 1860?
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>>28429417
Yep. Uberti.
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I would have no problem carrying this.
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>>28429486
Pieta makes them too.
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I have an old CVA 1851 navy, and the brass has really lost its shine. What do you guys use to keep them bright?
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>>28429693
Never Dull wadding polish. Find it at auto parts stores like Autozone. Comes as batting in a tin can. Keep it away from the bluing though.
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>>28429752
I mean like take the back strap off the gun.
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Super gluing the caps on? I wonder if that works
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>>28429817
You want take them off afterwards, though. I've heard people used to drip wax on them to keep them on.
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>>28429817
I never tried it. I have used dripping wax. Friend said superglue works fine and has no trouble with the fired caps.
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>>28429868
Does the wax work well?
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>>28429916
Works fine.
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Yeah I'm defiantly gonna try the glue
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Can you fan these?
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I'm still concerned about the brass frame
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>>28423359
>Accuracy

Ha, nah. There are a lot of downsides, but a cap and ball pistol is accurate as all hell.
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>>28430166
Definitely do not go with brass. It may be cheaper and prettier but it'll go kaput sooner or later.
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>>28423446
NC is an open carry state, get whatever you want... do you live in one of those weird shitholes like Chapel Hill or Durham?
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>>28430166
Should be fine in little .31 pistol like that. It takes a lot of shooting to warp a .44 brass framed revolver, as long as you're using black powder it shouldn't matter. Just don't use smokeless.
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Lol no I live in boone at turtle island starting the 18th
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>>28423446
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>>28430176
This. My .50 CVA Mountain Rifle is one of the most accurate long guns I own.
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>>28430176
Not after it sits around loaded a few days with crude, sensitive powders, tucked tight in a sweaty coat pocket, powder loaded with brass measures, balls with weights varying by 15-25 grains.

Done right and under ideal circumstances, yeah it's accurate enough, but there is a reason I went in-line on my last black powder rifle.
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>>28430176
Maybe consistency would be a better way to describe what I meant than accuracy.
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>>28430177
There is no issue with brass unless you use a cylinder conversion. I measured the frame on my brass 1858 Remington with calipers when I bought it, no change after 1,200 rounds of normal loads.
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Do anyone have the gun in the original pic?
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>>28423036
I don't understand. Do they not allow firearms in the nature preserve?
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no they do but I really want a black powder It's American Indian themed
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>>28431173
Then what's the problem? Just get a holster for it and wear it around.
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That's what I plan lol. I just hope I do everything correctly so it doesn't miss fire
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>>28423025
You an autistic retard?
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they do, it's just that OP already said he is only 19. OP is already a confirmed idiot for not caring about illegal conceal carry or under 21 handgun possession laws, and still choosing an antique blackpowder over a modern pistol for the same exact legal ramifications.
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>>28431581
>>28430810
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Who makes the best conversion kits for steel frames so you can go from BP to modern munition?

I'd love to have a Remington 1858 that could shoot .BP and maybe .45 acp or .38/357 when I'm too bored and lazy to go full reproduction and load + order black powder components.
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>>28428702
I just got my Walker in today, already planning to get a set and convert them to 45lc
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>>28431581
You can open carry without a permit in NC, and you can own a black powder revolver at 18. You can own any handgun at 18, just not buy it from an FFL.
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>>28431581
So why doesn't he just OC?
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>>28431623
>just not buy it from an FFL.
Since private sells now require a purchase permit, you can't buy one under 21 period. But you can be gifted one.
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>>28431696
I didn't know that. You can still buy black powder revolvers since they don't require a permit, though.
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>>28429752
>>28429763
Cheers
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>>28431623
>>28431696
>>28431721
Watch as the 80% handgun receiver kits fucking skyrocket in price and sales, hell 80% kits in fucking general.
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>>28431721
You can, but technically, how NCs laws are written and how they define a handgun, you shouldn't be able too.

I'm still confused as to why OP needs BP.
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>>28431664
>>28431623

he can own and OC an unloaded black powder all he wants. the second he loads and caps it, it becomes treated as a loaded handgun under north carolina law. you cant be under 21 and open carry a loaded handgun in NC
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>>28432019
>you cant be under 21 and open carry a loaded handgun in NC
Yes you can. You can be 18 and carry a handgun in NC, loaded or unloaded.

But this still doesn't answer my question as to why he thinks he needs a BP gun. Just get a regular one.
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>>28432070
well then there's your answer OP, open carry a blackpowder instead of a modern gun for reasons only known to you
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>>28432019
>>28432070
>N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-269.7 provides that it is a misdemeanor for any person under the age of
eighteen (18) to willfully and intentionally possess or carry a handgun.

>Eighteen

It does not differentiate between loaded or unloaded

And I was wrong earlier, you can get a purchase permit at 18, but you can not use them at FFLs. So you could buy privately.
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Op here. If I follow the steps above I can load my bp revolver and leave it loaded for a very long time without risk of miss fires?
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>>28432643
Yeah, just remember you have exposed primers on the side of your gun. It's not drop safe.
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What kind of balls should I get for the original pic? It's a 31 caliber
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>>28433245
Some .50 cal rifle balls, obviously.
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>>28423012
Is it a good option?
.36cal is pretty goddamn anemic
SAO is pretty goddamn slow to shoot
black powder is dirty as fuck
brass frames are shitty
use the cylinder notches

I'd suggest using pyrodex pellets and CCI primers

also if you are carrying a locked and loaded cap and ball you'll probably still be charged with a crime until the point a lawyer you have to pay for gets you out of it.
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>>28423384
gg when your parents have to sign for it then. cabellas at least ships with a "signature by adult" warning for the delivery service. "adult" meaning 21+
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>>28427886
>These cylinders can handle modern ammunition. (assuming it's a .44 revolver, it'll fire .45 colt that doesn't break 1000 fps) and still be considered an antique.
het

once you put a conversion cylinder in the revolver, it's a firearm for life. Putting a conversion cylinder into a pistol and adding a stock is creating an unregistered SBR.

Now there is no way besides self incrimination to be "caught" for this, but it is still 20 years in pound me in the ass federal prison for violating.
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>>28428850
uncle frank confirmed as based as fuck
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>>28429417
>can't find real Remington 1858 repros
are you retarded then?
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>>28433315
>also if you are carrying a locked and loaded cap and ball you'll probably still be charged with a crime until the point a lawyer you have to pay for gets you out of it.

Only if he's under 18, or a felon, or has had the right stripped for any other reason.
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>>28433473
>expecting the police to know or understand the law
my poor naive friend...
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Op here. Should I use .320 or .317s for this gun?
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>>28433491
Where I come from, they do. I don't know what kind of sister-fucking backwoods you come from.
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>>28433504
>police in major metropolitan areas
>knowing thier ass from their department issued cover
anon have you ever interacted with police this side of a elementary school career day?
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>>28430234
Hell yeah i just bought a CVA off Armslist for a buddy as a gift. My personal one is a .45 kentucky imported by FIE
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>>28433523
I never said I live in a major metropolitan area. And yes, I've dealt with police many times. Know quite a few of them personally.
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>>28433499
Only you can know, you're the one with the revolver. They'll probably both shoot out of it but you can slug the bore if you want.
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>muh new raifu
I've had it for all of 4 hours and I already love it. Much tighter than the lower 1858 pietta revolver.
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well johnson this primitive single action revolver is clearly not a firearm as we've learned from police academy gun school better let this lil fagget go
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I think OP is legit autistic
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So other than Uberti and Pietta, who else makes repros?
Also, are the Ubertis that much better than Piettas? I know they look nicer, but is the functional quality better?
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>>28433585
But in NC, it is a "handgun", which is treated just like a firearm and and subject to the same laws, as far as carrying goes.
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>>28433577
then ask one of them about what they'd do if they arrested a tyrone and he was mexican carrying a colt new army.
>inb4 hurr muh 3%er super cops in bumfuck would never fuck over my methhead ass over CCing a bp revolver "legally" to give me a rough night in jail and a years worth of legal proceedings to get the county DA office to drop your charges
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>>28433602
Cimarron. They don't actually make them (they're rebranded Ubertis mostly), but they will have different options than the actual maker offers.
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>>28433621
If he could legally carry it, they wouldn't arrest him.I don't understand your fucking question.
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>>28433602
I don't know about revolvers, but there are gunsmiths in India that ship repro muskets to the US. They make them in caplock, flintlock, matchlock. Haven't seen any wheellock.
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>>28433582
Welcome to the Uberti master race
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I really apologize for my black powder ignorance lol
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>>28431696
You can get a purchase permit at 18 its just some sheriff's offices are dicks and don't issue them because it's "not their policy"
>Orange
>Mecklenburg
You can get one out of your county of residence if you only put "collecting" down as the reasoning
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>>28433667
Yes, I corrected this in a later post in this thread.
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>>28433667
The sheriff of Orange is a bitch. It's pretty much "no issue" here unless you're butt buddies with a cop.
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>>28433627
Forgot about Cimarron, but I know that they're just Ubertis.
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>>28423012
I'm not 21 yet so I carry pic related. I normally have it at 4 o'clock
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>>28433602
I'm >>28433582 and the action is 110% tighter and the trigger pull is sub 1lb. If I could do it again I'd have dropped the extra 60 dollarydoos for an uberti revolver. Both are great, but the uberti's action is far superior.

>>28433627
almost bought a "cimarron" 1858 factory cartridge conversion 5.5" barreled .38spl.

>>28433637
>driving 50mph instead of 49mph on a 45mph road
>BWOOP BWOOP
>pull over like a good citizen
>sir do you have any weapons I should know about?
>why yes I have a revolver in my pants but it's blackpowder and not legally a gu..
>ON THE GROUND ON THE GROUND NOW
>but it's blackpowder and not considered a firearm on the federal or state level! ;_;
>can beat the rap but not the ride.jpg
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>>28433721
Disappointed you don't carry it in a leather holster.
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>>28433678
Saw that after I posted, apologies
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>>28433721
I dont think ive ever seen a revolver in a kydex holster. Is aliengear kydex or polymer?
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No one answered my question about the .320s or the .317s for the Remington 31 caliber
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>>28433738
>>driving 50mph instead of 49mph on a 45mph road
>>BWOOP BWOOP
>>pull over like a good citizen
>>sir do you have any weapons I should know about?
>>why yes I have a revolver in my pants but it's blackpowder and not legally a gu..
>>ON THE GROUND ON THE GROUND NOW
>>but it's blackpowder and not considered a firearm on the federal or state level! ;_;
>>can beat the rap but not the ride.jpg


OK, I don't think you're understanding, so I'll make it as simple as I know how.

In the state of North Carolina, if you are under 18, or have had the right to own a firearm stripped from you, you may not own, OC or CC a handgun, black powder or not.

If you are 18 or older, and have not had your right to do so stripped from you, you may own and OC, but not CC, a handgun, black powder or not.

If you are 21 or older, and have not had the right stripped from you, you may own, OC, and CC (with a permit) a handgun, black powder or not.

I don't know how to break it down any simpler than that. If Tyrone is in legal possession of said handgun, then they might arrest him on other charges, but not for that.
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>>28433781
Whichever one leaves a ring of lead when you seat it into the chamber.
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>>28433738
Also, in the state of North Carolina, you are required by law to disclose that you are a CC permit holder and are carrying a handgun. So it's not like it's uncommon for a cop to have someone say they have a gun. They don't overreact.
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>>28433781
the only difference is more lead sheared off by the ramrod

personally I'd go for the .320's since i use .457 balls for my 1858. you can forgo patches and bore butter with the larger balls.

>>28433791
>still not getting it
the rule of law and the rule of officer johnsson getting a cold coffee this morning and your "legal" bp revolver CC'd in a way illegal with a normal centerfire pistol pissing him off are not the same thing.
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>>28433831
>still not getting it
see >>28433816
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>>28433838
>still not getting it
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>>28433831
Also, you're not understanding. As far as carrying is concerned, in the state of NC, ALL handguns are equal. Black powder, flintlock, cartridge, whatever. They're all legally the same. There is not way that you can "legally" carry a BP handgun that would be illegal for a cartridge handgun.
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>>28433702
So I heard, some of the sheriff's have really taken their freedom to infringe and run with it.
I live in wake now and its an easy online application with multiple payment options and they called me back the next day to get it.
However, in the county I grew up in, Alamance, its a 3 or 5 page application you have to print out and mail. On top of:
> 2 notaries
>3 personal references

I cannot wait for the day we repeal this Jim crow bullshit, but NC's Bloomberg branch shoots it down every session because "much chilluns" its 95% stay-at-home Raleigh/Cary moms with nothing to do but stand in front of the Capitol building all day.
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Ok now what type of grease should I get to give the chamber an air/ water tight seal? Specific brands?
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>>28433861
I forgot all states are North Carolina apparently
>being so cucked that you can't OC a fixed blade knife or own BP as a felon

your state is the most beautiful in the nation with the best national parks but goddamn are your laws Commiefornia tier.
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>>28433888
Considering OP is in NC, yes, we are discussing NC laws.

And you can OC a fixed blade. Don't know where you got that from.
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>>28433878
your options are oil infused patches between the powder and ball or sealing each chamber with grease. Bore butter works for this quite well.

IRL it's less of an issue of safety and more an issue of cleaning. Using a greased wad or bore butter cuts down on fouling. Chain fires are mostly the result of improperly sized balls.
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>>28433888
>can't OC a fixed blade knife
When did this become law ? I have been doing for the past 10 years at campsites with not so much as a second glance from any law enforcement, and half that time I was a minor.

>one BP law
>one Permit law
> commiefornia tier
I don't think so
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>>28433915
then if OP isn't skirting a carry law with the BP "loophole" he should buy a normal cartridge firing weapon

GG not being allowed to own a microtec North Cuckolinain
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>>28433950
>When did this become law ?
It didn't. He doesn't know what he's talking about

>>28433960
>he should buy a normal cartridge firing weapon
That's what I've been saying this whole fucking time.

>microtec
We got those too.
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>>28431173
Do you get to dress up as a cowboy?
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What do yall personally use to give the chamber an air tight seal?
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>>28434012
Other than the bullet? Because that's what the bullet is supposed to do.
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>>28434012
an oversized ball press fitted in via ramrod

on the range I don't bother with grease or patches. for long term carry I'd use a greased wad between powder and ball.
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Yeah but I'm talking about for long term loading
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>>28434043
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Lubed-Black-Powder-Revolver-Wads-Per/706908.uts

lrn2click the post number
>> is all you need to type to crosslink two posts
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>>28434077
Is that what you use?
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>>28434077
They're a bit of a rip-off. My LGS sells lubed wads for less, and without the shipping charge.
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>>28433651
Nioce m8

does the crosspin block stay in? I've heard guys have problems with 1851s and the like but i've always assumed it's because pietta sucks.
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>>28434172
http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=3561
I use these for the rare time .454 balls don't suffice. BP is a pretty retarded EDC choice. that's why they made cartridges friendo.
>>28434192
there are different brands of lubed wads
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Would it be smart to use wads and grease?
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>>28434282
all you have to do is click the post number and a post box with the linked reply pops up

as to your question, It's kind of like wearing two condoms.
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>>28434311
Lol I know how to reply. But won't the grease prevent chain firing?
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>>28434363
so will wads

two condoms
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>>28434373
>>28434363
Just use wads. I don't use wads or grease. Haven't had a chainfire in 700 rounds

read this: http://www.geojohn.org/BlackPowder/bps2.html
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>>28434197
I've never had problems with the crosspins in my uberti navies, other than when they're brand new they are really tight and hard to get out without giving it a nice smack with a brass mallet
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