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Will 10mm auto ever be popular?
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Will 10mm auto ever be popular?
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>>28402031
No.
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>>28402031
Yeah, when we have to fight xenomorphs or bugs from starship troopers
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>>28402031
>doesn't show the best 10mm loading
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>>28402031
Too expensive to get gud with. If price went down to 9x19 levels them maybe.
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>>28402031
because you touch yourself at night
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>>28402031
More popular than right now? No.
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No

Its a special snowflake round and gives no benefit over 9mm

>muh bears
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>>28402472
>9mm performs just like 50 cal guys, military literally has no reason to keep using old ammo when modern 9 does it all
Will this meme ever die?
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>>28402493
That version of it doesn't, but the FBI confirmed that HP rounds pretty much make all pistol caliber rounds, magnums aside, perform about the same.
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>>28402532
Only reason they're transitioning to 9 is because of the new environment of "must hire muh female agents" who find themselves unable to handle anything bigger than 9
Any leo you talk to that's been in a few gunfights will tell you to carry the biggest round you can accurately shoot.
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>>28402031
>Will 10mm auto ever be popular?

The cartridge has had over 30 years to become popular. What do you think?
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>>28402532
You need more than just one study to accurately make such a generalization.
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>>28402560
Like the one who switched from .45 to 9 because he'd rather have more rounds to easily place on target?
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>>28402031
The caliber debates have more or less stabilized. The trends you're seeing now are the trends that'll stay for some time. Economies of scale rule out niche calibers gaining any real popularity.
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>>28402560
>Any leo you talk to that's been in a few gunfights
Will tell you to get a long gun.
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>>28402532

>.500 S&W
>9mm
>all pistol rounds perform the same
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>>28402449
Seconded.

10mm is more popular these days than it was 10 years ago. Certainly more than it was in the '90s. It's just another gun fad.
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>>28402532
10mm is a magnum loading
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So once we get cyborgs and augmented humans will we still be using big slow rounds or will we have figured out a way to increase velocity on smaller rounds?
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>>28402660
How is this level of autism even possible?
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>>28402031

Too many things going against it to ever become a popular round. The main reason being that it's too expensive. Not just the rounds, but the guns themselves. Only Glock has a reasonably priced 10mm gun. Most of the few manufacturers that offer a 10mm gun has their guns priced at numbers approaching $1000 handgun territory.

Another reason is that kind of power in a handgun is full-retard. The only real application for that much power is when you're going hunting in an areas inhabited by large dangerous animals. People that claim they have a 10mm as a carry gun belong on in the same group as the ones that carry a .44 Mag for their day-to-day life.


The funny thing is though that most of the 10mm rounds you find on the shelves are most likely the weaker FBI load which performs similarly to the .40 S&W at which point, why not just get a .40?
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>>28402660
>barring magnums

Oh wait , you can barely read
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>>28402472
>special snowflake
Nogunz
>>28402858
>The main reason being that it's too expensive.
Poorfag
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>>28402879

>implying 10mm is common
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>>28402493

We're talking about pistols here

The FBI already tried 10mm and it failed miserably.
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>>28402913
>implying it isn't common
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>>28402532
10mm is .41 magnum-level ballistics, eat a dick
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>>28402858
>why not just get a 40?

Because I'm not a fucking idiot.
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>>28402980

>10mm hipsters this defensive over their special snowflake round that offers no benefit over 9mm in handguns
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>>28403113
You are a noguns.
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>>28403113
Just because all your friends talk about how cool 9mm is doesn't make it a stronk round.
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>>28402969
#rekt
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>>28402969
>>28403219

>i have 200 rounds of it so therefore its common

I have 500 rounds of .303 british in the safe, that doesnt make it any more common.

few agencies use it, only half the gun stores i go to stock it, the ones that do only have a few manufacturers, only a handful of companies produce it and every day ammo companies churn out 10 times more of just about every other handgun cartridge than 10mm

I like 10mm it has its purpose, but its not common.
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It remains a niche round, but plenty of rural types seem to be warming to it as a modern replacement for their old sixguns. You keep hearing about Texans going hog hunting with their 10mm's in thick brush, and whenever I go up to Montana you almost always bump into somebody at the range who's shooting one. They swear with good bullets it'll put anything down except griz.
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>>28403266
>.303 brit
>rare

They literally stock it at my walmart.
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>>28403289

you are literally lying or in canada
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>>28403266
Pretty much this, it's a niche caliber but it's popular enough it won't become .38 S&W obscure.

>>28403289
Common, the operative word is common, darling. The argument isn't is that it's unobtanuim, just that it's not widely found or more popular. Please keep up.
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>>28403289
They have it at Fred Meyer where I live
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>>28403321
>.38
>obscure
Nogunz detected.
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>>28403266
>I have 500 rounds of .303 british in the safe,
Awesome now post a pic of it from 5 different manufacturers.
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>>28403279
I'm Texan and I don't hear about anyone here hog hunting with 10mm.
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>>28403408
I'm not a Texan and I here it all the time. Especially hear Ted Nugent does it.
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10mm is a shitty meme round
>muh jeff cooper!!1
>forty is 4 faggits, which I agree with
>10MM STRONK
>cumming at the thoughts of dumb ideas like a 10mm ar15


Just look at the aliens gun
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>>28403385
>Look mommy, I learned how to order ammo on the internet

It is not common.
It never will be common.
Posting that you personally have 100000 rounds of it will not change that fact.
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>>28403408
It happens, but only as a sidearm. I hear it more with .45s just because they are more common.
Just something loaded with FMJs to penetrate that thick skull or chestplate in case their rifle is empty and a big hog decides to charge.
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>>28403448
Sorry nogunz. I get it at Walmart.
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>>28403430
Oh, so you hear it on the internet...
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>>28403341
.38 S&W is not widely found or common. Please read more carefully next time.
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>>28403442
>cumming at the thoughts of dumb ideas like a 10mm ar15
Idk man a 10mm sbr would be pretty swanky
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>>28403461
>hurr nogunz

Sounds like your dad gets it at walmart while you pull on his arm trying to get him to take you to the toy section.


Not that it matters, everyone in your town can carry it, that still doesn't make it a widely common round.
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>>28403408
We had a /k/ommando here this last year who does drive-by's on hogs with his brother driving the truck. He showed us pics of the resultant carnage. I should have capped them, but I didn't.

There's similar testimony on other boards. Yes, it's Internet lore. But the people I talk to up in Montana -- including one grizzled old sheriff's deputy who also carries it as his duty weapon -- are real enough.
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I like 10mm because it's a nice even number and that satisfies my autism
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>>28402031
yeah, didn't you play fallout? everyone's walking around with pistols in either 38 or 10mm.
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>>28402858
>Not just the rounds, but the guns themselves. Only Glock has a reasonably priced 10mm gun. Most of the few manufacturers that offer a 10mm gun has their guns priced at numbers approaching $1000 handgun territory.

http://www.impactguns.com/eaa-witness-10mm-steel-compact-12-rd-mags-999230-741566107023.aspx

Oh look! A 10mm handgun for $500!
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>>28403500
When are you going to prove you own a firearm
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>>28403648

Not sure if troll or actually 12 years old
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>>28403454
I actually know more people with .357sig than 10mm
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>>28402472
I'm a 9mmfag and I own a 10mm too. I like the 10mm a lot and really don't notice much more felt recoil, probably because I'm not a pussy. If 10mm gets more popular and ammo is as cheap as 9 I'll probably get more guns for it, but as it is I have the 10mm because California doesn't let me have mag capacity, so I'd rather have essentially an auto magnum.
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>>28402858
Dude. There's plenty of 10mm that are affordable
https://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/rock-island/51991-1911-tactical-ii-pistol-10mm-5in-8rd-black/
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>>28402692
>>28402980
That isn't what he was saying, was it?
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>>28402697
Depends on what you're thinking, if their torso is still human you want see much of a difference. If you are thinking Ghost in the Shell style full prosthetic bodies then you would probably see a move to rounds like 5.7x28mm or possibly smaller. Larger bullets would be even more worthless and shot placement even more important vs a machine than a person.
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>>28402532
>>28402692
>>28402980
>>28404304
Even some magnums, anything that doesn't have 900+ ft lbs of energy (such as .357 mag from a 8"-10" revolver barrel, .44 magnum, or .460 Rowland if you want something semi auto) performs about the same.
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>>28402031
Yeah, when ballistic materials get so good people are wearing level II t-shirts to mug you.
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>>28403621
I think you mean .32 you dumb idiot
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>>28402532
Honestly, if you're smart you'd be carrying a .25acp. Lighter and just as effective.
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>>28402697
I'll have my body genetically engineered to generate and conduct massive amounts of electricity, then use my same old guns with special ammo that charges when heated to allow me to rail gun my rounds by charging the barrel massively.
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>>28404655
Are you a cute nipponese grill?
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>>28404695
Maybe... but it's not like I want gratification from you or anything, baka.
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>>28404379
nope bigger round to take out as many of the control boards as possible. if they are smart they would have them spread out over the entire unit as backup and fail-safes, so tiny round might not cause damage to shut down a unit
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>>28404802
Shit doesn't have to be that big, if they're smart they could have them grouped closely together so they could efficiently put some kevlar/ceramic/UHMWPE around them. It wouldn't take much to have them almost completely armored against any non AP handgun ammunition or even rifle rounds if you didn't mind a bit of extra weight. If they had the boards more spread out then giving them any type of protection would end up weighing significantly more.
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>>28403442
>I don't like it
>it's a meme round
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>>28402927
Exactly how did it fail?
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>>28405263
>Welcome to /k/
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>>28404003
>>28403634

Read some actual owner reviews. The guns are shit.

Pic related is from a guy who only had a few magazines of Federal and Winchester.
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>>28404545
no, I'm talking about fallout 4 you stupid fuck.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/.38_round
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>>28402402
>Neither did you
Buffalo Bore is overpriced.
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>>28406767
>overpriced.
>poorfag
whatever
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>>28406841
>same bullet weight and shape
>same muzzle velocity
>half the price
You are being silly, stop that.
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>>28406841
>You must be poor because you don't spend more on essentially the same ammo

I might be poor but at least I'm not retarded.
Unless you're Alaskan and Underwood is hard to get, there's zero reason to buy BB over Underwood.
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>>28406625
Pic related, mine. What reviews are you talking about?
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After the nuclear winter.
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>>28406983
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/03/jon-wayne-taylor/gun-review-rock-island-armory-gi-standard-fs-1911/
>"The GI made it to round 43 before the first failure to feed. The next failure to feed arrived at round 44. It didn’t get much better after that. Failures happened with every magazine. As far as I could tell, no mag was more or less likely to fail than the others."

http://10mm-firearms.com/10mm-semi-auto-handguns/ria1-broken-ejector/
>"Ejector broke on my RIA1 10mm after 250 rounds."

https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=437173
>" First 100 rounds, failure to fully return to battery approx. 2 rounds per mag. A tap on the mag and the bullet chambered. Called RIA and had them send out a new mag, thinking (hoping) that was the problem. Not so. New mag here and another 150 rounds with the exact same issue."

https://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=442649
>"Im pretty confident that the (reverse plug) was broke due to extremely cold temp"

...I'm guessing this is why RIA recommends that ridiculous 500rd break-in period. It's probably just a cover to weed out the ones that slipped through QC and claim that the guns were still being broken in because if it's going to have issues, it's most likely going to be in first several hundred rounds.
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negative, ghostwriter.
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>>28407775
For the price I've paid I literally don't care. They'll fix it free if I ever have issues. Keep crying
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>>28402031
Fuck no .40 cal better. Unless you are playing fallout 4
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>>28408349
Can't really begrudge that attitude but if you're going to use this as a range toy why not just use .45 wadcutters?
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>>28408349
Glad to hear you enjoy your gun. Consider yourself one of the lucky ones. Some people prefer that their gun purchase not be a crapshoot even if the manufacturer claims that they'll repair/replace the guns.

The point remains though: Glock is probably the only manufacturer without a decently priced and reliable 10mm handgun.
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>>28403536

Pretty much this, either everyone is fanboy-ing all over the place or.....yeah, everyone is fanboy-ing all over the place.
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>>28402031
Not when 9mm has such awesome capacity and low recoil.
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>>28402980
As a flamming 10mm fan, dont ever repeat that. Its 4/5 .357 mag ballistics until you hit maximum loads for .357
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>>28402031
Its Popular enough to be my choice for my EDC.
>see pic
>EDC Load out is BB 180 JHP.
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>>28402913
not common compared to 9mm, but in the grand scheme of things 10 mm isn't all that rare. most ammo manufacturers make some load for it, several pistol manufacturers have 10 mm pistols in their regular product line. that's more than can be said about most pistol cartridges.
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no
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yes
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>>28404566
.25 ACP has worse incapacitating abilities than .22

.32 actually had the best shot/ per incapacitation rate.
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>>28411601

What benchmade is that?
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>>28402031
Yeah when we have Xbox huge handguns and we standardized nuclear use for every day commercial use and we go back to the 1950's anerican culture and beat war with China because "lol resource wars" and have the ability to freeze time so we can pick our noses then yeah sure but other than that fuck no
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>>28410065

Pretty much.

It's a step up from most semi autos but a big step down from serious magnums.

It has no real place in the world desu.
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anybody else got a clip of 10mm ?
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>>28404379
You think .308 could fuck up the cyborgs in gits?
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>>28411726
LOL
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>>28411852
that's a moonmag not a clip idiot
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>>28402560
Odd the last couple of police officers I have spoken too seem to think accurate follow up rounds make the difference so go 9mm and practice practice practice...
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>>28403289
.303 Stocked at mine in Florida.... odd

Too bad I sold off my Jungle Carbine a few years ago.
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is 10mm supposed to be good?

just sounds like some shills trying to spooky it better than 9mm and .45
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>>28410108
Are you allowed open carry? Having those exposed mags hanging on your belt makes me wonder. My problem with concealed carry is not the gun it's trying to keep my extra mags from printing. I'm been called out by folks who see the mags and not the gun. So I carry only one spare in a low profile carrier.
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>>28412299
It's a rather stout cartridge for an autoloader.

The Sirius Sled Patrol (Slædepatruljen Sirius) use the G20 as a sidearm to deter polar bears.
That's a pretty good endorsement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sl%C3%A6depatruljen_Sirius#Equipment

>The reason for changing their sidearm is their previous Pistol M/49 sidearms chambered in 9×19mm Parabellum proved insufficient against the polar bears encountered.

The Pistol M/49 is more commonly known as a SIG P210.
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>>28406767
Legit question no troll.

How fast is 10mm and can lead bullets be safely fired in glock brand glocknades or other modern 10mm? I reload 45 semi wad cutters for my many 1911s as I am a fud, but I was under the impression glock brand using its hexagonal or octagonal rifling could not safely shoot lead for fear of lead build up and glockplosion.
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>>28412166
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>>28412366
While this is DoubleTap (underpowered and gas checked) that Hickok is using, leading is generally not a huge issue with hardcast.
>He also swaps barrels to a Lone Wolf, because he was having accuracy issues

I wouldn't shoot hundreds of rounds without checking and/or cleaning though.
Underwood makes great ammo, I shoot it regularly. (not the HC though, at least not regularly anyway)

>it's polygonal rifling, btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m0satEkGjw
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>>28402031

No, because it has more recoil than 9mm without an verifiable increase in terminal performance. 9x19mm, .40 s&w, .45 acp, and 10mm all have nearly identical stopping power. You need to go all the way up to .357 magnum in order to get a verifiable increase in terminal performance.
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>>28402031

>not carrying 9x25 Dillon w/ .357 Gold Dots
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>>28412502
>9x19mm, .40 s&w, .45 acp, and 10mm all have nearly identical stopping power.
he actually believes that
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>>28412526
>9x25 Dillon
this nigga knows what's up
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>>28412527

Extensive FBI testing has confirmed it. Somebody post the image where the dad runs from the host screaming "muh 10mm" I can't find it for some reason.
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>>28412548
This?
>>28403536

You shouldn't believe the memes.
10mm is often tested at the fbi loadings, ie 10mm lite or 40s&w.
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>large caliber
>large recoil
>old grandpa style gun designs

This is the best choice.
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>>28403461
No, you don't.
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>>28412502
>>28412527

>stopping power
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>>28402031
nope
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>>28412502
10mm is over .357 though. It's almost the same as .41 magnum.
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>>28412527
>9-11,4mm weaker than a ~9mm with a bigger powder load
I believe this as well. Please enlighten me why this is wrong.
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>>28412740

Nah it's comparable to SOME .357 loads.
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>>28412421
>>it's polygonal rifling, btw

>implying hexagons and octagons aren't polygons
>implying standard rifling isn't "square" and, by definition, polygonal because squares are polygons as well
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>>28408544
I use it as an HD gun. I have a Windicator as a backup because I don't care about the nogunz lore on /k/. I've had no issues with either.
>>28408576
The Witness is also good. I don't own one, but I've got a buddy with a 9mm, it's a nice gat.
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>>28406767
>implying 10mm isn't an overpriced useless cartridge that will be nonexistent in 15 years.
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>>28413205
2/10 because I had to look for a pic.
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>>28402472
10mm outperforms 9mm, and by quite a margin, the problem is that this "excessive performance" makes it a dangerous round in a self defense situation - it can be too much for casual shooters, and lethal overpenetration is a thing.

But imho 10mm should be adopted as the standard pistol/smg round for military and special operations use. Especially in Europe where generally walls aren't made of cardboard, and I've read that third world/afghan mud huts are extremely resilient to penetration.
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>>28413053
>The Witness is also good.

No. It's shit.
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>>28412527
>stopping power

He actually believes in that
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>>28413780
Apparently your unfamiliar with suppressors and subsonic ammo.
Or that 10mm really isn't better than 9mm compared to a rifle.
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10mm the best mm
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>>28403536
good show sir
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>>28402031
Only when it comes down in price... cheapest full power loads I have seen are $30/50 rounds, that is a bit pricey for a semi-auto handgun cartridge if you ask me.
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I want one so bad, just waiting for my local dealer to get them in stock. That and a Glock 41.
Have a Witness Elite Match in 10mm and love it but it can't handle a steady diet of full power loads
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>>28417048
My Witness for the record, it's a well crafted gun but it was built for 9mm. I've sent it back to EAA 3 times for new slides. Each time is 40 bucks flat fee.


Would get a 9mm slide for it but it's not worth it, if I want to shoot it I'll just shoot store bought warm .40 10mm like BRV loads
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>>28406978
I live about and hour and a half from Salmon, ID where Buffalo Bore is made, and get it for a pretty good discount for my G20. Lovely stuff, great for bears and moose if you get on their bad side.
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>>28417172
How is ID for in the woods action? Really thinking of moving there
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>>28412526
>>28412536
mah niggas

also
>not carrying .40 Super
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>>28417139
That is fucking bullshit. There is nothing well crafted about a gun that keeps cracking slides. Fuck that.
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>>28418530
Well crafted as in the machining is nice and all the edges are rounded. It's just not really made for real 10mm loads
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Does anyone has any news on the ability of the S&W 10mm revolver to handle full power loads? I mean, I was assuming it could because they generally make good stuff, I just didn't want to kaboom one if I got it.
Also
>being able to shoot 10mm and .40 out of the same gun without switching barrels
I like the general idea
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>>28418780
If you are talking about the 610, it shouldn't be a problem. It has the same frame design as the Magnum revolvers.


More importantly:
>10mm
>revolver

Why??? Magnum rounds are usually cheaper and easier to find and you don't have to worry about moon clips.
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I carry a C-100, and was thinking of uploading to this.

12+1 rounds of 10mm, in a CZ platform (love to carry at half cock) and can convert to other calipers.

Thoughts?
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>>28419101
Heavy and it can't handle real 10mm on a daily basis
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>>28419101
>10mm carry gun

Where do you live that carrying something like that is a good idea?
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>>28418973
I was talking about the 610, thank you for the answer, that's good info to know.

As for your follow up question, the best I can say is the same reason I said before,
> being able to shoot 10mm and .40 out of the same gun without switching barrels

I figured cheap .40 was easier to come by than cheap .38 or .44 special (in non-gunstores). And sometimes I like being a special snowflake. And in my area ( the south east) the power afforded by large magnums generally passes a point of diminishing returns beyond hot .357, when it comes to handgun hunting or trail defense.
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>>28402445

Do you not?
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>>28413780
>10mm outperforms 9mm, and by quite a margin
An extra tenth of an inch of expansion with the same amount of penetration means jack shit.
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>>28402692
Keep telling yourself that.
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>>28403448
Do you understand the word common? Redily avaliable. I've not been in a gun store in the past 6 months that didn't have multiple types of 10mm.
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>>28402402
>>28406841
>people that still don't understand that Buffalo Bore exaggerates their muzzle velocity claims

Truly, ye art faggots.
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>>28423624
>I was thinking of Double Tap

Everybody please call me a faggot.
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>>28421342
>An extra tenth of an inch of expansion with the same amount of penetration
>10 mm vs 9 mm
nigga ur dumb.
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>>28421342
The FBI would like to have a word with you.
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>>28403536
>that comic
>listing legitimate reasons to use 10mm as the reasons to not


what kind of bait is this?
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>>28412668
>not knowing that people use that stupid term in lieu of "transfer of energy"

you're retarded or bait, either way kindly remove yourself.
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>>28424775
Then show me testing that proves otherwise, because that's what I've gotten from the gel testing that I've looked at.
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>>28424913
what tests were that, Hornady XTP?
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>>28403299
I live in Fl and they stock 8mm mauser and 7.62x54r at my walmart.
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>>28425296
Don't remember offhand as it was about a year ago, but it was a variety of ammunition for both and all the 10mm did was expand a very slight bit more.
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>>28425346
must have been weak loads, because even moderately powerful 10 mm leaves 9 mm in the dust.
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>>28423683
#rekt
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>>28425507
Mind posting actual evidence of that instead of just parroting shit?
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>>28424807

The same FBI that currently uses 9x19mm?
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>>28425535
Some idiot says 10mm is not better than 9mm and he has to prove it isn't? The amount of noguns in this thread is staggering.
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>>28425555
>Some idiot says 10mm is not better than 9mm and he has to prove it isn't?
Because even if I go back and post all the testing that I looked at, there's nothing keeping him from saying that it's just the weak shit like he already has. Therefore I won't waste my time.
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>>28425535
table: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gex6ItGeWQunVZR9B14mseacyEGoreRRrBEXZavfciM
whole thread of video evidence: http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo/10mm-gel-tests/

do I have to spoon-feed you the results?
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>>28425633
Other than the ones I marked with a *, I'm not particularly impressed. I was wrong about there being only a .1" difference though, apparently it's a .15" difference for most and a .19"-.22" Precision cartridge/Precision one loads listed that I was rather impressed by, though I could probably find some 9mm specialty 9mm loads that perform a lot closer than the Gold Dots and Winchester Ranger T/bonded hollow points that I had information about saved (pic related in this post and my next post). .45 numbers listed just for comparison purposes. Hopefully the formating on this table doesn't get screwed up.

brand ammo pen expansion
10mm
Underwood 165 Gold Dot 12.1" .853"
Parabellum research premium 155 gr Montana Gold 12.4" .791"
prograde 140 TXP 12.9" .768"
Precision cartridge 180 Golden Saber 13.8" .878" *
Precision one 180 Zero JHP 13.8" .844" *
Buffalo Bore 155 TXP 14" .696"
Double Tap 125 TXP 14.25" .668"
Reed's A&R 165 Golden Saber 14.7" .770"
Double Tap 200 Nosler JHP 15.5" .679"
Federal 180 TB JSP 16.7" .635"
Parabellum Research 200 XTP 19.9" .579"

9mm
Winchester 124 Ranger T +P 12.2" .7"
Speer 147 Gold Dot 12.58" .660"
Winchester 147 Ranger T 13.9" .65"
Winchester 147 Bonded 14.7" .62"

.45
Speer 230 Gold Dot 13" .711"
Winchester 230 Ranger T +P 13.2" .79"
Winchester 230 Bonded 14" .73"
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>>28426029
Damn, it did mess up the formating. Here's the picture of the Winchester hollow point performance.
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Maybe when the 12 year olds playing Fallout now come of age, they'll want 10mm.

Other than that, I don't see it
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>>28426029
>>28426043
Oops, just realized that the 10mm penetration and expansion numbers were denim tests. Here are the numbers for 9mm and .45 through denim (reordered based on penetration), which strangely enough are closer to 10mm than the bare gel numbers are and around my originally claimed .1" difference (.11"-.05" difference in expansion depending on the penetration depth for 9mm vs 10mm) with the boutique Precision cartridge and Precision one loads only expanding .17"-.2" more.

9mm
Winchester 124 Ranger T +P 13.9" .67"
Winchester 147 Ranger T 14.5" .66"
Speer 147 Gold Dot 14.93" .57"
Winchester 147 Bonded 16.5" .59"

.45
Speer 230 Gold Dot 13.6" .692"
Winchester 230 Ranger T +P 15.2" .78"
Winchester 230 Bonded 15.8" .67"
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>>28426029
>>28426043
>>28426788
>doesn't mention the massive increase in joules deposited in redguards
9mm fags are this fucking delusional.
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>>28427387
>doesn't mention the massive increase in joules deposited in redguards
I hope you don't believe that actually makes a difference anon.
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>>28405306
this
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>>28428900
But it does. Melanin decreases density in flesh, which you should have learned in 8th grade. The decreased density is also why blacks tend to have a lower iq, as there brain is slightly less dense.
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>>28413780
there is absolutely no reason to do that though. 9mm is just carried as a self defense handgun, if there is any risk of combat, you bring a long gun.
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>>28414184
I'm more on the lines of: what would you rather issue to vehicle and aircraft crew, a 9mm smg or a 10mm smg?
I sure as fuck know what I'd rather have in a warzone.
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>>28426029
>>28426043
>>28426788
Thanks anon. Saved that so I can repost it any time people start making claims about 10mm stopping power. I've even found some boutique 9mm loads that expand to within .1" of those boutique 10mm loads while penetrating just as far that I can add to the list.
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>>28429479
>I sure as fuck know what I'd rather have in a warzone.
The 9mm one because it would be significantly more controllable and you could pack significantly more ammo due to it being lighter and smaller? Though I'd personally take an MP7 if I wanted a subgun for that role.
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>>28429869
13.8"/.778" 9mm where?
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>>28429869
>Saved that so I can repost it any time people start making claims about 10mm stopping power.
So basically what you're saying is your a noguns.
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>>28430717
So what you're saying is that your knowledge of wound ballistics isn't from reading studies done by doctors and knowledge of the human body.
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>>28418530
Where in that post was that implied you massive faggot. He said he sent it in THREE TIMES for slides
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>>28425346

You do understand that when it comes to defensive ammunition just about any load is going to be designed with a performance threshold in mind right?

Outside of having bullets specifically designed for high velocity you aren't going to be seeing anything crazy because over penetration is bad and controlling expansion is tricky. You get extra energy transfer with defensive 10mm and that's about it.

The potential of 10mm isn't really seen when used against people
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>>28431118
>I've sent it back to EAA 3 times for new slides
What is that supposed to mean then?
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>>28430812
No I'm saying you're a noguns.
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>>28431246
Would you like a stupid car analogy to help you understand? The gun itself can be very well made, well machined, well fitted, heated treated, given a mirror polished blue and engraved with gold inlays. But the DESIGN wasn't meant for the forces it now has to contend with.
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>>28402367
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>>28431456
That's a pretty shit excuse. Why even bother to put a gun on the market if it can't handle the cartridge that it was designed for?
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>>28402031
Oh, look! It's another anon trying to push his obscure hipster round.
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