Didn't see one in the catalog, so let's have a sword thread!
Post your favorite sword and why it is your favorite.
>1917 model Navy cutlass
>long enough to give you some reach
>short enough to be used effectively in close quarters
>just the right amount of curve to make it good for cutting and thrusting
>grip and knuckle guard be stylin
>not as heavy as a saber or a hanger, but heavy enough to be effective
>one-handed weapon means you can carry something else in your other hand
Good choice OP. Cold Steel makes a cheaper "machete cutlass" modeled after the 1914. Also. Zombie tools makes the "d'captain" which is a similar blade profile but more distally tapered and a less ornamented handguard.
I think cut and thrust sabers are probably the best you can do as far as swords go. They can be very effective in close quarters with a minimum of training, and they were one of the few bladed weapons to continue to serve a useful purpose after the introduction of firearms.
Inb4 katanafags shit up the thread with their euphoria
Bitches don't know 'bout my schiavona.
Cutlasses are the shit
>A United States Marine Corps engineer NCO is reported to have killed an enemy with a Model 1941 cutlass at Incheon during the Korean War.
there are many prettier ones out there...
Shashka obviously. I need it to kill me some frenchies.
that would be a travesty, to fuck around with an actual archaeological example like that.
However, Neil Burridge will do you a khopesh blade of that design for only £80 plus postage according to his website, which, in all honesty, is a fucking bargain.
And I'm now tempted, and I'm not even into egyptian weapons...
>in all honesty, is a fucking bargain.
i'm not surprised, Copper and tin are cheap as fuck, and much easier to cast than hammering out iron.
The real challenge is the ratios and weight of the finished product.
>no gladius hispanicus
That's a danged embarrassment I tell you hwat
>not as heavy as a saber or a hanger, but heavy enough to be effective
I have a feeling that'd depend heavily on which sabre or hanger you're looking at. Both can easily be quite light.
If their 1796LC is anything to go by then it might not have the handling of the original.
Venice, or thereabout.
The Scots had a good amount of backsword blades on their basket hilts. If the percentage varies with time, dunno.
Copper and tin both cost significantly more than basic steels. The London metal Exchange prices might not reflect the end user prices perfectly, but it should give a hint.
Copper: around 6600 USD/ton
Tin. around 19400 USD/ton
Steel billet: around 500 USD/ton
Getting the ratio right shouldn't require more than a set of scales, assuming you know what ratio you want.
Carving the mould, avoiding casting flaws, and then finishing up the cats blank (pic is what Burrdige gets out of the mould), that might take a bit more skill.
>which, for 80 quid, will be horrible. what the previous guy posted doesnt have any of the cool fuellers
Actually.... the pic that the other guy >>23374550 posted IS the khopesh that I'm talking about, fullers and all, which Neil sells as a finished piece at £180 or as a raw blade, needing final polishing and hilting, for £80.
Same maker, and the fullered one is the cheaper option.
Favorite is the longsword, but I love Viking era swords.
Looking at style of the basket, and the cat's head pommel you can tell that is a Schiavona. Schiavona may, or may not have been dual edged, whereas backsword has only one edge, and is about two centuries before the schiavona.
So did you just take these points from Cold Steel or what?
Sword threads seem to have devolved into "Here's something I like the aesthetics of, let me tell you what I think it handles like."
>short enough to handle easily in cramped quarters
>long enough for muh reach
>light enough to do fancy ninja moves
>durable enough to parry effectively
>good stabby bit and choppy bit
>can be wielded using numerous fighting styles based on user preference
>fairly easily concealed, unlike some fuckhueg ceremonial pig sticker
>weeaboos ignore it because it isn't a 7-foot-long katana
>has numerous practical applications besides formal duels
>can use it to commit emergency sudoku
I really want an AN XI style french saber, not sure what reproduction Im going to go with.
The options are:
>Universal Swords, whom I have no idea about, but is unsharpened
>Cold Steel, who cant even get the name right, makes me wary of correct geometry
Naval shin gunto. Scabbard's beat to fuck so not pictured.
I like it because it's symbolic of an officer's ability to lead and because it looks cool.
A cavalry saber is a terrible choice in confined quarters because of its blade length, substantial weight, and the amount of room required to wind up a blow with any force. Sabers aren't terribly good at thrusting, but I suppose it'd be easier than trying to swing it around
I just cum all over myself when i see this lil baby.
It may not be the most obscure sword
It may not be the best sword
It may not even be all that interesting of a sword really (hell, it's pretty much just an oversized longsword when push comes to shove)
But I still have a special place in my heart for the zweihander or two handed sword (whatever you choose to call it)
>that blacked out armor
>that Berzerk-tier sword
I get a funny image of a really moody-looking knight with lots of facial piercings bursting out of the treeline at the edge of a battlefield and sprinting into the fray while Linkin Park's "Crawling" plays in the background
At least Viking and Roman swords are fairly practical and utilitarian. Personally I find them to be almost universally ass-ugly but if I was getting rushed by a couple enraged Gauls or Saxons I wouldn't be too picky about aesthetics
Katanas, meanwhile...hooh boy. The average weeaboo has no idea how little action their swordfu was expected to see. Samurai primarily used longbows, spears, and short swords like wakizashi. A giant-ass katana would be of limited use to an infantryman, save for facing down cavalry perhaps, and even less useful on horseback. Anime and movies show katanas as some sort of mythical ultimate weapon because muh folded steel muh craftsmanship but they were rarely used as anything more than status symbols and dueling weapons.
Vikingfags and Romanfags, meanwhile, while praising the utility and versatility of their chosen blades, generally recognize that they have flaws and limitations
I have one of those cheapo Hanwei Lowlanders which is almost that size (it's about the same size as me, so 5'10/11)
Fun as fuck to swing around, provided you have lots of space around you
Very blade heavy, I get less tired swinging around the big ol' lowlander
Traditional cutlas is more like a machete anyway, since its main purpose was to cut down the thick ropes ships used in one hit. Hence traditional cutlas was generally thicker but shorter than sabre, yet with roughly same weight. A good thing about cutlas, which made it better than sabre, was it was more a tool than pure weapon, hence allowed the wielder deployed it in various tasks like machete.
What would be the ideal sword for a long, narrow passage? I figure a fencing stance is best, but which sword to go with it? Long but maneuverable with a rapier, with the drawback of no real edge if the enemy gets inside your reach, or a cutlass which is short, but relatively heavy and has little reach?
The Grandad of East Asian swords: the Ancient Dao.
>Samurai primarily used longbows,
Only up until the middle of the 1200's. The increasing violence of the 1300's onwards saw samurai fighting in multiple roles.
>Less useful on horseback
Its a saber, a curved single edged sword. It was quite useful on horseback.
Not to mention the general press of combat, particularly in the violent battlefields of the 1500's, meant katanas saw much use in close quarters battle and the increasingly common sieges, which were once unusual in Japanese warfare.
You're just being reactionary m8. You could've just put "weeabs believe every myth that a Katana is a supersword" instead of going ahead with assumptions.
>What's probably the most influential battle in Japanese history, Battle of Sekigahara, was won through superior use of muskets.
No, it was won because a bunch of Fencesitting lords went over to the other side.
Cavalry sabers weren't. They wanted a dull edge so it wouldn't cut into bone and other hard objects and get ripped out of their hands on a charge. There is a reason why they are so heavy it's to substitute for the dulling of the blade.
Not the anon your replying too, but man your a fucking idiot, 6 seconds of google would of answered your question. Also other anon is right, why would you want your sabre getting stuck in a target during a caverly charge. Also alot of cavalrymen carried some type of sharpened knife for close quarters fighting so fuck you.
What I'm finding says that the sabers were meant to be sharpened but often weren't for a variety of reasons.
I also found:
>Additionally, in the Instruction pour la cavalerie (“Instruction for the Cavalry”), first published in Berlin, 1796, all the parries are apparently made with the flat or with the back of the saber.
Which would imply that sabers were meant to be at least somewhat sharp.
>Citing ARMA as a source
You do not parry with the flat, that is completely and verifiably incorrect regardless of what type of sword you're using.
Matt Easton on his youtube page scholagladatoria (who actually knows what he's doing) has made some videos about this if you're interested.
I'd recommend a tanto. Short enough to be concealed easily, long enough to do some damage. Same aesthetics as a katana/wakizashi.
Can't decide on a favourite, but I really like my antique French 1845 pattern infantry officer's sword. Well balanced, not too light (as with a lot of infantry swords of the period), versatile cut and thrust blade.
Type XVIIIb longsword - I like the versatility of a longsword that's suited to both the cut and the thrust, and the blade shape is stylish as fuark. Had a swordsmith in britbongistan to make one for me.
1796 light cavalry sabre - I like the history behind it and it's awesome cutting power. I have the Cold Steel replica, but it handles like a pig compared to the originals. There's far less distal taper; it's both
heavier than the originals and more weighty at the point of percussion. I got it on the cheap from ebay, though, so I'm still fairly pleased with it. If you have the shekels it's always better to buy an antique.
Clamshell hanger - always been a big fan of the golden age of piracy (where these were common) and I love the clamshell guard coupled with a meaty choppan' blade.
The reason they didn't sharpen them is because officers that won't to ruin their uniform by accidentally cutting it.
How often to you think they used a fucking sword in combat anyway?
Useless piece of ceremonial shit.
>inb4 some one post ONE example of some guy using a sword once.
You could get a Condor tactana.
It's basically a 1075 version of the Hanwei tactical wakizashi with a micarta handle. The micarta kind of screws up the balance, but it's still pretty nice.
I bought it as a machete because my inner weeb demanded it, and it cuts through live mesquite pretty handily.
I still prefer my Ontario though.
I assume this is for home defense and not the car or something?
...except you're wrong. Actually do some classical fencing sometime. Blocking and parrying with the flat comes pretty naturally, and is done all the time. Clemens is stupidly neurotic about edge parrying, and mostly wrong about it, but that doesn't mean there is NO parrying with the flat. Both work, and happen all the time.
>On September 2, 2010, Bishnu Shrestha, a retired Indian Army Gorkha soldier, alone and armed only with a kukri, defeated 40 bandits who attacked a passenger train he was on in India. He is widely reported to have killed three of the bandits, wounded eight more and forced the rest of the band to flee. A contemporaneous report in the Times of India that includes an interview with Shrestha indicates he was less successful, although no less bold.
>The armed dacoits refused to mess with Vishnu Shresta when they came to know that he is a soldier, but the 45-year-old Gorkha Rifles jawan would not sit back and watch his fellow passengers being manhandled and looted. The fearless Gurkha pulled out his khukri and fell upon the dacoits till he was overpowered. After a hurried shot fired at him went astray, they used the same khukri to slash Shresta's wrist.
The real story was a bit more down to earth, but the guy was brave nonetheless, he survived a cut to the wrist.
>and short swords like wakizashi
are you dumb? they never used there wakizashi's, samurai had them as a social status sign to show they are samurai, the wakizashi was used for seppuku, and almost never in combat
Nah, I don't wanna get fucked by the NYPD.
I'm not interested in concealment, I'm looking for a home-defense weapon. Aesthetics are secondary, imo. I would also prefer keeping a little bit of distance to getting up-close and personal.
Parrying with the edge was taught with earlier swords as well, because if you parry with the flat using an arming sword or a longsword, the guard does nothing to protect your hand.
Assuming your fighting only one opponent, rapier and small swords were specialized for dueling, so they're probably your best bet.
Keep in mind there are plenty of options you have if someone were to close in on you while you have a thrusting weapon, but im guessing you dont have the same amount of fencing experience I do.
I'd say they used mainly the tanto for the seppuku, wakizashi would be a tad too long, though possible.
The wakizashi was indeed a social status sign with the katana, as the 'daisho', still the wakizashi could be preferable to the katana if the opponent got really close, since they're both one next to another, you'd grad the shorter weapon in those case.
Also, it wasn't always correct to have the katana inside, while the wakizashi was ok.
For seppuku the tanto was used for lords and women, the wakizashi was used to allow a samurai commit an honorable death, that's the whole point of it.
A samurai has two swords, one for him, one for you
>Too small for HD
Someone who actually trains and spars with swords regularly here.
Let me tell you this - you are not good enough to understand measure, nor are you good enough to make good use of the different measure that a longer kukri would provide.
From what I can tell, longer kukris have lesser curvature and narrower bellies than the normal 12" ones, which means they probably don't actually do all that much more damage in a strike.
A normal-sized kukri is frankly the best non-gun HD option there is for an untrained person.
The wakizashi was a short sword for close in fighting and carry where a katana couldn't be taken. You are literally the only person in the world who thinks it was only carried for suicide.
Just then a French officer stooping over the body of one of his countrymen, who dropped the instant on his horse's neck, delivered a thrust at poor Harry Wilson's body; and delivered it effectually. I firmly believe that Wilson died on the instant yet, though he felt the sword in its progress, he, with characteristic self-command, kept his eye on the enemy in his front; and, raising himself in his stirrups, let fall upon the Frenchman's head such a blow, that brass and skull parted before it, and the man's head was cloven asunder to the chin. It was the most tremendous blow I ever beheld struck; and both he who gave, and his opponent who received it, dropped dead together. The brass helmet was afterwards examined by order of a French officer, who, as well as myself, was astonished at the exploit; and the cut was found to be as clean as if the sword had gone through a turnip, not so much as a dint being left on either side of it.
Based 1796 pattern light cavalry saber
Instructor of which style ?
I studied the Katori style where the wakizashi and the double swords where teached. The Chujo-ryu style used the wakizashi too. Both of those style were combat and war styles.
Why would they be carrying a long dagger / short sword other than for close combat, grappling ?
I'm sure there are cases that the tanto was used for other then lord and w/e, you can't know exactly what happens in history at every point, there is always a possibility
But as far as i know, the wakizashi was used as a status symbol, they carried it to show they had the abilty to commit seppuku and retain honour in death. I can be wrong, but that's what i know.
Fair points. Most of my experience is with rapier and side sword, which guards the hand much better. With those, a common trick is to parry a cut with the flat, at your strong, their weak. Then do a half turn with your wrist, and thrust. Lets you pull off a nice clean stab, while pushing their blade out of the way.
Yet the non-samurai were allowed to own a wakizashi but not a katana. I don't think it holds. Maybe it changed at a point, but I'm pretty sure that before the Edo era, the wakizashi and kodachi were combat weapon just as the tachi. Later they may have fall of use. The development of the Koryu would say so, with a fall of the kodachi while the katana was elevated as THE weapon.
The katana ain't a really good one handed weapon, while with the wakizashi, you can grab and grapple while retaining a good blade better than a knife, who can't really cut that well.
Well I do know a good bit about japanese swordsmanship despite my horrible english (I seppuku-ed myself a little while re-reading my posts).
It's such a pity that there ain't a no-bullshit youtuber to talk about Koryu and japanese swordsmanship, which is very interesting if you get past weaboos and katana-supremacists.
As a student of japanese-styles I do think we would need "Matt Easton"-like reference figure to discard people spouting nonsense about jma, which annoys me to no end, since most of the time, they don't even studied the arts they're talking about (now I remember this judo guy trying to explain me how to grip a katana).
They're commonly found with 10" to 12" blades and are usually around 10mm thick.
Sometimes kukris will get up to 14" and larger, although those are usually made for westerners or ceremonies. However, the ceremonies that are commonly performed with kukris require functional knives.
I'd recommend something from their Amazon store, it has faster delivery (shipped from California instead of Nepal) and slightly lower shipping prices.
If cost is really a concern then you could look at an Aranyik enep on eBay. They're like kukris with clip points, and are only about 5mm thick, which makes them heavy enough for chopping but light enough for grasses and other light vegetation.
Meant to include this link:
Lots of people assume that the sirupate blade pattern is significantly lighter than other kukri styles, but they're generally slightly longer than other styles and still fairly weighty due to their thickness.
IIRC, the thinnest "real" kukri that I've ever handled was about 1/3" thick.
>Who gives a crap about all these martial art shit when you can buy a gun instead?
Martial artists? You can like guns and other martial arts too. I fenced for 2 years. Currently have been doing judo for half a year now.
Well, speaking as self-defense anyhow, martial art seems more like a sport and hobby, I'd better train on gun and perfect that that holster draw before doing any martial art.
Even Japan agreed, don't bother them about it:
>In 1563 the Amako of Izumo province won a victory over the Kikkawa with 33 of their adversaries wounded by tanegashima, as a result, in the year 1567 Takeda Shingen announced that, "Hereafter, the guns will be the most important arms, therefore decrease the number of spears per unit, and have your most capable men carry guns".
>Who gives a crap about all these martial art shit when you can buy a gun instead?
Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps, people do "this martial art crap", because its FUN?
Do you also tell people who're into horse riding "Who gives a crap about all this riding shit when you can buy a car instead?"
Talk about utterly missing the point of doing it.
Meh, I'm a nerd first and foresmost, I'd run away from most confrontations, unless I'm somehow cornered (very unlikely) or outright robbed (likely but that requires more than just fisticuff to solve).
No need to fight useless fights.
>Can't even make a proper reference
to vidya or /tg/
Sure is reddit in here.
Not everyone in the planet can buy a gun that easily and use it for self-defense...
Laws aren't US laws everywhere remember.
Also, history, not all confrontation calls for a shooting, etc...
The Condor Tactana is junk compared to the Hanwei. Way too heavy in comparison. It's almost a sslab of steel with an edge bevel on it. It's too thick behind the edge bevel to cut good. The Hanwei tacwak has proper edge geometry. It doesn't come the sharpest, but it's very light and balanced, and cuts good.
Also consider a Condor Dadao, or a Hanwei Banshee, or a Windlass Cobra Wakizashi. They're all good for the money, have blades around 20", and have enough handle for two hands.
Zombie tools also makes some good stuff in that size range if you're willing to shell out a bit more dosh. They're more expensive than the production stuff from the big companies, but they're cheaper than full on custom "tactical swords" from most makers, and a lot more available. They're heavier and a bit less well balanced than a historical sword, but they're durable enough so you can go out and chop shit up with them and not worry about them breaking.
Pic sorta related.
Check out James Williams for some no-BS talk about sword use in Japanese martial arts. His teachings are more in line with their actual historic use. Like with what HEMA strives to do with Euro arts, James tries to cut out all the bullshit, and puts all of his techniques into perspective.
There's also some discussion in here on the use of wakizashi and tanto...
Tanto were a battlefield weapon, and the wakizashi was carried in civilian attire and social settings. When entering buildings, the large sword would be left at the door, but the wakizashi would be kept for personal defence. Some schools also taught using both swords at the same time in certain situations. It was also used for seppuku by wrapping most of the blade in a towel and cut da belly with the top few inches.
I don't even like Japanese shit and I know this.
knowing "judo shit" don't impede your use of a "taclight" and you can actualy use a combat training that you developped for yourself and that you can feel confident to use. With no training and only a weapon, you can only rely on the effectiveness of your weapon, which is I think a very silly thing to do.
By a "taclight" a suppose you refer to those short light with impact bits and more power... well I sure hope you won't have to fight someone who can use kicks. If your weapon don't grant you reach or lethal application, it's kinda silly imo, but heh, to each his own...
I see he is a follower of Kuroda Tetsuzan, so why not (since this guy is quite the real deal). Though I'm not really into Tetsuzan's lineage and JWilliams's channel seems a little bit too tacticool to me...
>your preferred mode of defending yourself is shining a light in an attacker's face
If you think going full Rear Window on someone is all you need to defend yourself you're sorely mistaken.
The point of a bright light like a taclight is to momentarily blind and disorient an attacker so you can deal with him; he's not going to fall to the ground with smoke pouring from his eye sockets, he'll most reasonably just start swinging/grabbing wildly in front of him, giving you time to knock him down and/or draw a real weapon
Dude, practically everything is junk compared to the Hanwei, and they don't even make a tacwak anymore.
I did forget to mention the edge geometry though, that shit needed some serious reprofiling.
They do still make them, but you have to order directly from Hanwei if you want one. One of their factories burned down a while ago, and they haven't been able to keep up production on a lot of their swords. I noticed that KoA had some tacticals in stock a couple of months ago, but they're out again.
He already lost mere seconds trying to get ahold of himself, while I run to open street, crying for help.
I will only fight when he corners me or when I simply cannot run anymore, no point in actually going toe to toe with him without a gun.
Is it possible to get a higher resolution of that gif, or better yet the video it comes from? I do not know how many times now I have watched it, and I am still trying to figure out how the second cut was done.
Any opinions on cold steel shamshir? I know a majority of their swords are imbalanced and historically inaccurate but judging by the reviews/specs it's pretty well balanced and well-put together.
30 Inch Sirupati Kukri from Himalayan Imports
It is heavy, but itll take a head off.
I'd love to see this thing in action.
It'd look stupid as fuck.
I know /k/ hates sciences and all that stuff but here is a rather interesting bit on authentic mail and gambesons. The video is also good but the range at which they fire is not mentioned.
For those too lazy to read it tl;dr
>Gambeson was the bulletproof vest of its day
>Shit would stop arrows all day long
>Gambesons fared decent against cuts, though there is no guarantee a strike of a sword might break your ribs
>Gambesons are shit against any king of sword thrust attack (just imagine how nasty a spear would fuck up the wearer)
>The Katana is actually a really fucking awesome cutting sword and of all the swords absolutely 'recks the gambeson
And the reason mail and padded armour were often combined is that while bodkins can penetrate mail quite well broadheads can cut up gambesons. So the mail protects the gamebson from broadheads and cuts while the gambesons gives padding and catches bodkins.
Of course both get screwed over by proper thrusts which is where plate comes in. One of the main reasons the coat of plates which led to the breastplate was widespread was that mail is basically useless against lances for example. 10:30 onwards shows the difference.
Sometimes folks would wear another gambeson over the mail to protect the mail links from being burst by a bodkin.
I've seen a lot that Mike Loades was in but while such a lance strike might not kill you it could dis horse you.
Better than a metal spike through the chest.
And yeah, not got a picture on hand but it seems to usually be padding, mail and then a thick gambeson over just the chest when you have padded armour over the mail. Either way they liked their layers back then.
They loved layering armor and politics.
What's with the oversized kukris? Just get a kopis if normal kukris aren't big enough, it's the original inspiration for kukris anyway which the Nepalese adopted from the Greeks.
what my ancestors used as a mercenary family in Ireland
also gotta love clay-mores
>but it'll take a head off
Yeah, maybe if they are kneeling before and waiting for their execution.
Seriously though, that's borderline too heavy for a blade of that shape and size. Chopping power sure, but it's slow, very slow, or rather it's competitors are so much faster.
But if you plan to sacrifice animals by one hit decapitations or cut down some trees, then it's a fine tool.
Cold Steel's shamshirs are actually refitted Windlass productions from India and that particular sword is good quality.
Personally I just bought the original Windlass shamshir instead because the handle material gets less sweaty and the sword looks more traditional and decorative. Oh and I think was cheaper too. (bought sharpened from Kult of Athena)
Only two I own, the Jap one is a bring back from WW2. No idea what the other is, I just used to play with it as a kid all the time.
They're fine as actual swords if you're using it to fight unarmored folks who aren't paying attention. And please, there was very little looting by US troops in WWII. Those are war prizes.
To go with it here's a picture of my grandfather near the end of his time in the army.
The weapon of my forefathers. In fact, they were named after it!
N-no rapier-bros, here?
Nice taste in botanical hobbies anon
>not understanding general idea of thrust power per square inch
>"hurr it's not pointy sharp so it must suck"
Okay lets do some basic math here boyo...
Metal+Speed+flesh=force of impact that pierces flesh
You're gonna be bleeding.