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Didn't see one in the catalog.

Innawoods/SHTF general. What's in your kit /k/? Share, discuss, and offer criticism towards other's equipment and setups.

Here's mine, a little small at the moment, but it's all a poorfag like me can afford right now.
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>No fucking socks
>But god damn if I don't have space/weight for fucking OTC painkillers, two bottles of alcohol and worthless fucking ammunition

Seriously, have any of you ever walked extended distances on anything other then pavement?

Or fuck it, have you ever walked an extended distance ever?
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There's a guy on YouTube that's made quite the decent innawoods kit out of a Mossberg 500 JIC.

Has a shotgun, pistol, takedown bow, the fucking works.
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http://youtu.be/y9fV3yTk2po
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>>22971283
You can't tell me about that and not post a link, anon.
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>>22971276
I have plenty of socks, didn't think to add them into the backpack though. Thanks for the criticism, friend. Do you think I should add basic socks, or some comfy wool socks?
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>>22971252
you chopping down trees with that axe?
get a knife, lose the axe.

You sleeping on the forrest ground?
get a sleeping bag/tent.

You have built in night vision?
buy some candles and a flashlight.

You mr survivor?
buy a 3 pack of lighters.
when SHTF, lighters will be so easy to find in almost any store.
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>>22971283
>Room for longer magazine
>Nope.avi

Why the fuck do they do this?
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>>22971347
Getting a tent from my grandpappy when he visits in a week. Until I get some more money, the tiny flashlight on my shotgun will have to do, along with the knife. I'll get a pack of lighters to add to the kit as well. Appreciate it.

A question, what's a good brand of knife? Preferably full tang.
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>>22971341
Wool, throw in a few basic ones that you can wear while your wool ones dry off.

Always bring spare socks and underwear.
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Then there's my throwing knife/bottle opener.
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>>22971252
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I'm building a little kit. I'm going to try bicycling into the woods and seeing if that's a viable option.

I've got an H&R Tamer in 20ga, which breaks down nice and small.
Also got my hatchet, my Mora knife, a ferrocerium rod, an 8x10 tarp, a pocketfull of cordage, and my aluminum canteen and cup.

That's generally all that I carry. I've spent enough time living in the woods to manage fine for days off this loadout.
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>>22971252
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Op. You have a good start. Get a sling for your shot gun, at least 2 days worth of comfortable clothes you can hike in. A metal water bottle, metal so you can boil creek water.get one of them space blankets, a tarp. Peanut butter and tuna packs. Multi tool, and a Cresent wrench...all that stuff can be had fairly cheep. Hat and gloves, bug spray depending on season. And lastly read a few books. Knowledge is the absolute best thing you can take innawoods
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>>22971252
Need advice on what gun to bring. I'm thinking either >Muh Nugget, The M1a, or a levergun. I want to rely on range and stealth so that I don't get stuck in bad spots if I need to hurt someone.
Thoughts?
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>>22971252

>firesteel

why does everyone get firesteel? how is it better than a few bic lighters in a ziploc baggie?

Also, food and water -- if only a protein bar and a canteen
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How are chest holsters for innawoods?

Most photos of guys with them are fat white dudes so I'm guessing not very practical
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>>22971470
something ESEE you dig?
theys reel
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>>22971735
use nugget for firewood....it'll still function i'm sure.
i'd take tha m1a
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>>22971785
Because a few bic lighters don't last years.
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>>22971353
because you need an entirely new barrel and magazine assembly
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Homie that looks more like an URBAN OPER8n bag than a inna woods survival kit..
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>>22972885
Indeed. Allow me to simplify:
Why wouldn't you manufacture them that way?
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>>22972997
manufacture what, what way?
The tube?
The gun?
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What's the best forever firestarting method? Is is possible to make your own matches?

I understand firesteel lasts a long time, but even that will eventually give up. In the event of SHTF are we gonna have to go back to fire drills and shit like that? Because that shit's hard
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>>22973025
flint and steel

as for something that never runs out, ur fugged
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>>22971729
tarp tarp tarp. Or go to army surplus and get half shelter/poncho
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>>22973025
dollar store sells brand-name diamond matches. Buy a shitload, put them in ziplocs. I think it would be highly unlikely you'd run out of matches. Or just buy a few more firesteels
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>>22973021
Not him, but: There is room to make the tube mag one shell longer, why didn't the manufacturer/designer make it so?
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>>22971638
So ugh what are all these things?
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>>22971796
I found that a drop-leg is not good for innawoods. Catches all the time, constantly moving around. Chest-rig is probably good for woods
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>>22973103
I don't fuckin know

Probably because 5+1 was common as fuck, so they did that

And they made a simple screw in system into the end of the mag tube
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>>22973025
You should be able to start thousands of fires with a good firesteel and a little skill. Generally you won't be innawoods that long (a fucking decade), because at some point you'll return to civilization or make civilization.
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>>22973103
or have special sawn-down 8-shot just for shtf
>inb4 BATFE
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>>22973147
Lamest excuse ever.

"We could do 6+1, but nobody else has that and it's not like our customer cares about new extra-shell-because-oh-hey-look-there's-blatantly-more-room-here technology".
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>>22973197
outside of tacticool faggotry, no one cares, "needs", or wants an extra shell

it's extra weight
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This is mostly my BOB, though its actually much closer to just my innawoods kit, because of the pots, pans, etc
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>>22973150

Okay, but if you make civilization then how do you make other means of lighting fires? Find flint laying on the ground somewhere?

How can I make matches? Manufacture napatha with nothing but my dick and a couple chopped down trees? How about pressurized butane? Those are the modern methods of firestarting, after all.

I'd have to be able to get flint somehow
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>>22973241

The fuck? Why are you hauling a tool kit around innawoods?
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>>22973253
The point is, if you've ran out of firesteel, youre doing it wrong.
If it comes down to 'that' (no more real civilization)
then get a wood burning stove and keep that shit alive for the rest of your life
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>>22973241
where am you foods? Also, I wouldn't carry an axe, machete, and folding saw. Just get a heavy sawback machete
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>>22973274
tactical sprocket wrenching
>>22973305
>where am you foods
I know, pretty glaring error on my part.
And that Gerber machete has a saw back, but I dont know how much faith I should place in it
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>>22973253
A small hand crank generator, a bit of tungsten, and a flyback transformer would make an electric arc capable of starting tinder. The tungsten arc nodes would be good for thousands of hours of continuous operation, but you'd only need a few seconds per light. You could use it all your life and hand it down to children and grandchildren if the entire assembly was of good quality and weatherproofed.
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>>22971638

Damn. It's like an Academy Sports & Outdoors store threw up on your bed...
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>>22973330
well I've used a sawback gerber on 3-4" trees for lulz, worked fine. Chopping them is easier though, what are you sawing? Only thing I can think is coped logs or something, in which case a folding saw would really suck
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Not one of you are carrying the most important item...an extra pair of socks.
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How did I do, /k/?
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>>22973516
I think that's belt link...
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>>22973226
I want an extra shell whenever I run out shells.

>and sometimes before
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for when you need to wash that swampy fucking ass while innawoods. it's concentrated as fuck, so a little goes a long way, and is good for washing everything including neckbeards.
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>>22973226
> I have no argument so I'll call you a tactifag instead.
Thanks.

I'm already carrying around 5-10 spare shells, why not have one more loaded? I'd be way less than an ounce of tubing and spring to make it happen. Plus it increases the utility when using the shotgun for fun.

Please give a valid counter-argument or don't reply. Calling people names makes you look like an ass, and tripping means that image is going to follow you.
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>>22973790
For many years, the standard has been 5+1

That's what hunters have liked

I'm not saying you can't, I'm saying that's the justification

Again, the only people who want the extra shell are tacticools
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>>22973843
It's a stainless, stockless riot gun in an orange tube. It's not exactly screaming hunting.
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>>22973878
yes, you're right

however, they took the 500, put a pistol grip on it, an 18.5 inch barrel, and put it in a tube

they could have put the 590 in a tube as well, but they didn't
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>>22973843

So if my HD shotgun happens to have an 18" barrel, contain 7 in the tube, one on the lifter, and one in the chamber, I'm a "tacticool?" You don't think it's prudent to minimize the chances of having to reload, given how abysmally slow that is for people who aren't 3-gunners?
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>>22973890
Fuck it, I'm mollified.
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>>22973982
why is it you people are trying to put words in my mouth and make me out to be some bad guy?

>>22973996
>mollified

I don't know what that is
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>>22974029
>outside of tacticool faggotry, no one cares, "needs", or wants an extra shell
>Again, the only people who want the extra shell are tacticools

Yeah, there's obviously some sort of misunderstanding here.
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There are these pretty nice blank firing revolvers made out of pot metal. They are nicer than ever jennings. They use .380 diameter blanks.

I'm a machinist, and I was thinking about buying a few and making chamber sleeves for them so that they'll take .25 acp.

Does anyone think that would work? I could effectively make reliable 6 shot revolvers for less than $75 a piece.

I think they would make great barter items or be good for a cache.

The chamber sleeves would allow for about a .120 thick steel chamber + the cylinder.

.25 acp is also relatively week. I could even make new hammers and maybe a reinforcing plate if needed.
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>>22974041
Mossberg has always (up until recently) built guns for hunters, around hunters.

If you want the extra capacity, go with the 590

That's what it's for
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>>22974042
they will blow up
Seen it done
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>>22971470
It's not full tang but the Glock knife can't be beat as a survival knife for the price. They're just tough little shits.
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Starting my own SHTF bag. What would be a rough outline for what it needs?
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>>22974029
>I don't know what that is

Well, do you have a dictionary?
Do you know what one is?
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>>22974126
>Le HKface.png

heh

I figured it was another random word splice people around here like to use

Thought it had something to do with MOLLE gear
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>>22974126
#rekt
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>>22974059

Fair enough, and I agree. If I were buying a Mossberg, it'd be the 590 -- the ghost rings and the capacity are worth it to me, since shooting slugs at stuff entertains the shit out of me and for HD purposes I think it's prudent to minimize my chances of reloading.

Had you just said that, and not called anybody who may have a good reason for wanting more rounds on the gun a dipshit, nobody would have jumped on you and you wouldn't have to pretend you're being misunderstood.
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>>22974145
>a dipshit

I did not say that

I said tacticool faggotry

Everyone is a faggot

I am an MNfag, an FALfag, and a collegefag

lrn2vernacular
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>>22974167

"tacticool" implies "dipshit." See also: anybody over the age of 30's thoughts on the 20-something Chris Costa wannabes with lots of tattoos, manicured beards, and more money dumped into cordura shit than they spent on their car. lrn2context.
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>>22974167
Yeah no, you aren't getting away with that. Consider your audience: Is anyone here likely to take being called tacticool-anything personally? I'd hope close to 100% would, considering legitimate tacticool is the cancer that is killing taste in modern arms.

Having the tube mag match the barrel length to maximize capacity is absolutely not tacticool in any way.
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>>22973241
>gas mask
why
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>>22974141
There's no shame in learning new stuff. I do it often enough.
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>>22974236
my gun is tacticool
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Is that green thing in e bottom left a tarp?>>22971702
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>>22971252
>no map
>no compass
>no food
>no water
>no sleep gear
>no spare socks/underwear
>no spare clothes
>no duct tape
>no TP
>no digging tool
>water purification tablets but no filter or even a shemagh
>unconcealable short range long gun
>none of the adapters that make said gun into a multipurpose weapon
>magnesium block firestarter
>2 bottles of isopropyl alcohol (For why??)
>Autozone 1st aid kit
>hand hatchet with 8" handle (Muh Grylls)
I mean, you have a bag and spirit so that's something...
Seriously though, if you have something that's not a handgun or food/water gear and it only has one use, ditch it. Everything you carry should be multipurpose, things with an innumerable amount of uses are best
>replace the 1st aid kit with one meant for trauma, not scraped knees and bee stings
>replace the alcohol with Everclear since it'll do the same thing you want the isopropyl alcohol for but it's also drinkable and that makes it an anesthetic and tradeable commodity.
>replace your magnesium block with 2 Bics in a Ziploc and a Swedish firesteel
Get yourself a LifeStraw or something sometime too. Those water purification tablets kill off most stuff but they taste like shit and they're only meant to be used supplementary to normal purified water.
Learn and practice the skills and the right gear will make sense. The contents of your bag look about like mine did when I was 15...
1/10 more research needed
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>>22974301
In what way? If it doesn't have more accessories than gun, then you're probably safe. Tacticool comes from the idea that having more shit hanging off your gun somehow makes it more effective when oper8tin' operationally. An AR-15 with glass and even light or bipod isn't tacticool as long as that shit is on there for a reason.
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>>22972825

you're telling me:
1. the rest of the kit lasts years
2. you plan on living on the fringe for years if SHTF
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>>22973684
This stuff is awesome.
I use the peppermint in the shower for tingly goodness.
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>>22974403
fuck yes, my favorite is the citrus, but its a bitch to find on sale and not at some bullshit healthfood store that sells the same shit as food lion for 3x as much.

i get the 32oz bottles for 12 bucks. and it cleans everything i use it on.

it got the EAU DE MUHREEN out of a ILBE from nugget ent.
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>>22974332
You forgot shitty backpack. Get a rucksack that can properly accommodate sleeping bag + mattress
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>>22974512
Straight from the source.
https://www.drbronner.com/DBMS/category/LIQUIDSOAP.html
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>>22974563
CHRIST JESUS THAT IS EXPENSIVE!!

even walgreens is cheaper. their storebrand of Castile soap is breddy gud too.
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>>22974642
Well, I mean, a couple drops will clean your hands. The stuff is pretty concentrated.
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>>22974706
i get the 32oz bottles of Dr. Bronner's for around $12 here. i cant believe they want that much for it on their site. that's as much as the crappy fake vegan healthfood stores here charge
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I think mine is a bit over the top along with lacking some essentials which still need to be purchased.

Not shown: Waterproof Keen Hiking Boots, bug out clothing, extra mags+ammo.

Any constructive criticism is most wanted. My sleeping bag is an intermediate one from NE which is pretty fucking big and I'm looking for a downsize to fit in my pack.

Also, the knives are up for debate.. Obviously I won't be taking all of them.
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>>22974991
Also add 2liter water bladder.
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>>22971638

>mfw
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>>22974991
Plato's "Republic" -- if you replaced it with a rock, you'd at least have some excuse for the dead weight
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>>22974327
Yes. It's a tarp with mylar on the back side for heat retention. Makes a great ground cover/shelter, and takes up no space.
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>no one has a drivers hc

have fun freezing to death
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>>22974086
Roughly-
Food
Water
Shelter
Medical
Security
Hygiene

Those are your categories. Sleeping gear and spare clothes go in the shelter category. You want multipurpose items that can work in more than 1 category. Example: trash bags can be used for all manner of shelter-related things. They can also be used to transport, store, and treat water. Bam! Multi function.

Lurk this and all the other BOB threads to get an idea of the basics you want in each category. Tailor your loadout to your situation.
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>>22974563
Waaaay back inna day, my dad used to work for the City of Escondido. He spent a lot of time driving around and talking to people. Used to swing by the soap place and shoot the shit with Doc Bronner. Then he'd come home with gallons of the stuff.
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>>22971785
Because fire steels actually work at high altitudes and in slight breezes.
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>>22971252
Lose the alcohol, replace with vodka or everclear. Lose the hatchet, replace with an Estwing roofing hatchet. Strip the first aid kit down to a boo boo kit, add more bandaids and medical tape. And a tube of Neosporin. Then get some basic supplies for dealing with trauma- ace wraps, kerlix, tourniquets, and so on. Avoid quikclot unless you've had the training. Add benadryl, pseudoephedrine HCL, immodium, pepcid, sunscreen, chapstick, tweezers, scissors, forceps, a magnifying glass, and a small very sharp blade.

Add peanut butter and honey. About 20 hard candies. Some tuna or chicken packs. Basic mess gear, at the very least something to boil water in.

Add water carrying capacity until you have at least 3 liters worth, in 2 or 3 separate containers. A gallon of capacity is better. Water purification and filtration equipment and supplies.

A half dozen contractor trash bags and some duct tape. TP and baby wipes. DEET. Nylon twine. Flashlight and headlamp that share a battery size. A normal, easily found battery size. None of this special snowflake lithium battery shit. Then get rechargeable batteries and a solar charger. Download a topo map app to your smartphone. Get a crankradio with a light and usb port for charging stuff. Spaceblanket. Socks and underwear, 4 and 2 sets respectively.
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>>22978090
thank you
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Have been posting this in a handful of threads, gathering opinions on some issues.

1. Would a 10.5-12.5" barrel for 556 be suitable for an urban conflict?

2. What's the maximum effective range of such a barrel?

3. Taking into consideration that fragmentation is lost around 50-70m, could an enemy combatant still drop at 300m? 200m?

4. Would you feel confident in engaging one other person who is also actively trying to kill you at 200m with an 10-12" barrel length?

5. Is there a muzzle device that can be added to an SBR that would increase its effectiveness at longer engagements, essentially mimicking a longer barrel?

Thank you, /k/, for everything.
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>>22971252
where´s the coffee? Am I the only one who brings cooking supplies (coffecooker included?)
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>>22984277
no you aren't the only one, but i opted for the easy way out.
pic related.
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>>22984258
>1. Would a 10.5-12.5" barrel for 556 be suitable for an urban conflict?
maybe close quaters, indoors.
>2. What's the maximum effective range of such a barrel?
reliable accuracy to about 50 yards.
>3. Taking into consideration that fragmentation is lost around 50-70m, could an enemy combatant still drop at 300m? 200m?
no.
>4. Would you feel confident in engaging one other person who is also actively trying to kill you at 200m with an 10-12" barrel length?
no.
>5. Is there a muzzle device that can be added to an SBR that would increase its effectiveness at longer engagements, essentially mimicking a longer barrel?
maybe one of those faux suppressors. they are essentially barrel extensions.
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>>22971347
Lighters are good but I'd rather be redundant and have a secondary method of firestarting as well. And yeah I know you can pack 3 but personally I tend to lose things so when shit does hit the fan I probably would lose 2 and have a broken one lol.
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>>22984258
What >>22986294 said.
I'd love a 12.5" AR upper, but when you lose the usefulness of the 5.56 (its explosive fragmentation) why even use it?
Personally, I think a 7.62x39 PDW would be optimal for CQC (or 300 Blackout), and leave the 5.56 to close-mid (DMR nigga).
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>>22984277
Ah glorious coffee. If all else fails you can make cowboy coffee. If SHTF I don't expect to be able to grab my press pot.
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>>22986476
Also, I'm vietnamese so I grew up using the phin, and I don't imagine that it would be terribly difficult to craft a makeshift one if things go south and you still want a decent cup of coffee.

I mean you could use a thumbtack to punch holes in a soda can to get the same kind of filter.
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>Work as a fish & game warden in the remote canadian wilderness
>don't have any gear pack to go innawoods/shtf
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Oh you reminded me to post this to keep the thread alive!
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>>22986562
Sounds like a dream job
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>>22986581
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>>22986611
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>>22986581
Please don't tell me that's an M48.
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>>22986689
Naw I think it's one of the other SOG hatchets/tomahawks. The M48 seems to have a notch on the middle of handle that isn't apparent in the agent's pic.
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>>22986596
Yea It's breddy gud tbh
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>>22974991
Too many knives, pick up a trauma kit and get some real rope. Ditch cotton socks for wool or hiking socks
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>>22974991
least retarded pack/10
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My innawoods pic. First one I made.

>no tacticool shit

feelsgood.
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>>22986294
>>22986397

Thank you both! Looking into 300 BLK for an SBR, it's just the price of ammo that deters me.
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>>22974991
Your underwear choice is shit. Step up to under armour for better quality material.
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>>22974991
No canned fruit or vitamin C pills/10
>All aboard the scurvy train
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>>22986947

I stated that the knives were overkill. Basically I keep my lmfII in my go bag and my SOG in my car.. I swap out the folders daily. Pretty much I'll pick up whatever two are available at any given notice. The trauma kit I have now is just the Israeli, and the tourniquet. I will get better rope too. I've also been looking to buy some wool socks. Thanks anon.

>>22987966
Meh, I'm a cheap bastard.. Leave me Alone. But thanks for the input. If I find a deal I'll pick some up.

>>22988001
YES! I'm actually on the prowl for dried/canned fruit. Vitamin C is a must.. Idk why I forgot about that. Thanks /k/omrad.


Any other input?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNu0sR89_BM
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>>22988603

I have a plastic jar 3/4 full of this and a small package of steak jerky stuffed into it that rides under my back seat. This combo is my go-to pack food for any sort of adventure.
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The things you indefinitely need to survive are food, water, shelter, and protection. How much water and food needs to be in your bag depends on where you live and what your exact plans are. What kind of shelter and weapons you need is also dependent on you location and plans. Some places, you're not going to make it to safety with a big pack full of gear and a nice rifle, you'll be shot by tyrone and his friends while trying to escape the city. Some places you'll need to move on foot to a more secluded or safe area. Then, you would be wise to be well prepared and armed, as you'll be the only target of anyone who you cross paths with. No bug out bag is universal.
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>>22988683
holy shit that looks tasty as fuck.
>tfw no fruit in the house
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>>22988735
It is my friend.

IMO need moar almonds but I like them a bit more than the average person.
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>>22988778
>>22988735
Forgot pic
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>>22988778
>>22988793
just checked the kitchen, nothing but a very old bruised apple

muh dreams
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>>22988793

Will this provide enough nutrients? For instance, its not just all fucking sugar and has all its nutritional value sucked out during the process
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>>22971319
I feel like he has never shot a gun and is like the fudd equivalent of a prepper

also
>shtf
>using a sidearm
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>>22989184
No idea, but it along with the jerky seems like pretty well-rounded sustenance to me. Probably better than all those ultra processed fake chocolate protein bars. If you're really concerned about that take a small zip lock of multivitamins with you.
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>>22971518
>tfw doctor says I can't free ball anymore
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>>22989214
Better yet:
>SHTF sidearm
>Cobra 380

IMO a CC'able pistol should be your #1 gun in shtf but definitely not that...
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>>22989184
>nutritional value sucked out

lolno. Sugar is added and it's dried to prevent bacterial growth because it makes for a very hypertonic outside environment. That's the same reason why salting things prevents bacterial growth. It still has nutrition.
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>>22989277
Why? Shotguns, combat rifles, fudd rifles, and .22s are all better choices
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>>22988603
>Meh, I'm a cheap bastard.. Leave me Alone. But thanks for the input. If I find a deal I'll pick some up.
Haha nah I'm just fucking with you m8. I'm a /fit/izen at heart and I wear underarmor all day every day for dat dere breathable fabric. Plus I don't feel like changing into new underwear at the gym so I just wear it the whole day.

But try going to the outlet for Nike or Under armour. Especially in Fall they start getting rid of the old season stuff and start selling winter gear so you can pick up for like 10 bucks a pair.
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>>22989322
Sounds rad, yo. Thanks!
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>>22974991
could you make a list of all the items.
Especially what Aveeno, item next to and under the Aveeno and those tubes next to the flash lights are?
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>>22993176

Here you go, Anon. From top to bottom, left to right.

>very basic rope hammock
>VZ2008
>Czech cook set from NE
>Shemagh
>Platos Republic, Catullus Complete Poetry (Gotts keep them reading skills up, yo)
>High Sierra Titan 55
>TNF Stormbreak 2
>C9 Underwear
>Spyderco Paramilitary 2, RAT Model 1. SOG Seal Pup, Gerber LMF II
>Austrian Half Shelter from NE
>Swedish Volcano Canteen and Cooker from NE
>Tactical latex gloves or something
>Aveno Sunscreen 55
>2 way radio
>Cheap Binoculars
>CAT tourniquet
>Israeli Emergency Bandage (little silver package)
> Slimsoap (just some shit i had lying around)
>Antibacterial
>Two maglites
> 4 viles of Epinephrine (Synthetic Adrenaline)
>Socks
>Glock 23
>Firesteel/STORM matches
>Italian/American Passports
>Emergency Mylar
>Bandage wrap
>Firestarting kit in small tin can
>Canned Kipper/Sardines/Herring
>Gold Bond/Baby powder
>Salt rehydration package
>Aluminum foil rolled up
> AM/FM Radio
>550 paracord

Thats everything, anon! Obviously, as stated before, I will not be taking all the knives and the shelters are whats on hand. My car is also set up for survival and these supplies often swap between my bag and my car at any given time. Thus, you'll notice some redundancy. Any other Questions?
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>>22973516
Where the fuck are you getting hard tack? Assuming your not looking for a fight since you have a vanilla sks (the best kind) I would grab a rope tarp and a pocket knife because using an axe for everything may get fun or a nice kukari
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>>22993611

Bro, hardtack is easy to make. I thought i had a guide on how to make it... Maybe some other kommando has it?
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>>22993644

Found it on my phone.
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Is an medium ALICE pack a good choice fir a BOB
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>>22993710
>bisquick
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>>22995292
Its just a guide that was posted, Lol. I'm sure bisquick is fine though
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Just picked this up today. Found it at a good price and am going to start stocking it this coming week. This thread has been really useful so far.
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>>22971283
find the link and post it faggot
>>22971252
>get a better pack than that cheap walmart crap, even a beat to shit ilbe assault pack is better and costs the same.
>ditch the rubbing alcohol for iodine (if you want it for a stove then you better be bugging out innadesert or above the treeline or else youre a faggot for not just making a small fire)
>tablets are ok but a sawer mini filter rigged up as a gravity filter yields much more water (somethin like a stainless bottle with a 32oz marker for boiling wont hurt either because either way you need something to hold your water and treat it in)
>a naked, ample sized, ferro rod beats those gimmicky magnesium starters any day
>home depot's shittiest/cheapest hatcet is designed to do more work that that cheap toy hatchet you have and probably is within 10 dollors of it.
if nothing else remember this: cheapin out always costs more in the long run
there are better ways to be poor anon
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My BOB/Survival Kit. Weight fully loaded with firearms is 45 pounds.
4 two packs of hand warmers
3 mylar emergency blankets
9 glowsticks
4 rolls toilet paper
40+ cottonballs covered in vaseline (firestarters)
Vinyl gloves
Biodegradable soap
three bottles hand sanitizer
toothpaste
toothbrush
Mora Carbon Steel knife
Mora Stainless Steel Light My Fire knife with fire striker
Extra fire striker
Two lighters
Two sided signal mirror
British police style whistle
Sharpening stone
CRKT Eatn tool
P38 Can opener
2 packs unwaxed dental floss
Maglight with extra batteries and bulbs
Electric light that looks like a glowstick/lightsaber. Good for 250+ hours
Insect repellant cream
SPF 25 spray
Ocarina
Petroleum Jelly
Cotton Balls dry
Medium bandaids
Medical Tape
Compression tape
Large gauze pads
Medium gauze pads
two long gauze rolls
Allergy pills
Nasal spray
Eye drops
Painpills
Triple antibiotic ointment
200+ .22lr hollow points
50-75 (depending on how much weight I want) 20 gauge birdshot
40 .243 Winchester 100 grain rounds
Rossi Trifecta .243/20/.22lr single shot
East German Makarov
50 rounds of 9x18mm hollowpoints
50 rounds of 9x18mm FMJ's
Zip ties
dried prunes
chicken bullion cubes
multivitamins
pancake mix with egg and milk powder
3 packs muffin mix
6 bags boil in bag rice
2 pounds oatmeal
1 pound peanut butter
1 bottle cooking oil
salt shaker
pepper shaker
25 sugar packets
small bottle of dark honey
40+ hot sauce packets from Tacobell and Cholula
3 packs Soup mix
10 packs Tunafish
extra plastic bags
2 large tea towels
folding shovel
heavy duty camelbak gloves
military wool glove inserts
czech mess kit aluminium
4 collapsable 1 pint water bottles
1 pill bottle with 10 needles, 30 hooks of various size 30 sinkers
bottle of Gulp corn bait (works great if no live bait can be found)
five autofishers (love them)
3 bundles of paracord 30’ each
Nato medium pack
Hammock
Large military grade tarp and dutch ponco tarp
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>>22972825
>Because a few bic lighters don't last years.
if you've ever used one of those magnesium ferro rod combos, you'd know they wont last for years either. The magnesium might last a while but no matter if its U.S. milsurp or cheap chiniese trash the ferro rods wear out all too soon and youre just left with a chewed up un-ignitable block of magnesium to shove up your ass. Better to just carry a decent sized ferro rod and learn how to find tinder in any environment.
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>>22974991
Where did you get the EPI pens?
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>>22971583

>tfw bottle-opener on the Leatherman fucking sucks
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>>mollified
>I don't know what that is
are you fucking illiterate?
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>>22996552
not him obviously but that's why I have my Makarov along as a backup bottle opener
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>>22971735

>has a fucking M1A
>can't decide between that and a nugget or fudd gun

Take the fucking M1A.
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>>22973516

>not having a chest rig
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I used to have an SKS as my primary firearm but then it wouldn't take shotgun shells with any accuracy.
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>>22981359
>Estwing roofing hatchet
>Estwing
my nigga
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>>22996544
They're actually prescription. I have a horse allergy that can be fatal, so I use that excuse to keep getting them free from my insurance. Stockpile then yo.. They're worth like $100 black market each.. Very valuable if shtf
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>>22996984
You're the first person I've met that has an actually fatal allergic reaction to My Little Pony.
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>>22973399
>>22973274

Top kek
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>>22996999
Happens :/

>mfw I can't ride a horse into battle without dying before the actual battle
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>>22997066
But what a fucking way to make an entrance on the battlefield.

>Sir, they've got one lone mounted cavalryman
>and he's...
>he's... slumped in the saddle
>he's... dead... sir... he's dead!

And fuck you for making me feel. God damn it I miss the 10th.
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>>22996552
The bottle opener on my Swiss army knife locks in place and works great.
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>>22997125
You're gonna feel, Erik.. And you're gonna love it.

Also, nice load out.. I'd consider dropping a few pounds though.. That shit will be unbearable after a while. I mean, come in nigger.. Salt shakers? Lol
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>>22996585
I've got another one on my belt.
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>>22997168
That's the reduced load out. Salt Shakers because you can keep a lot of salt in one and not have to worry about it. I tried paper packets but they just got messy after awhile. The pack is meant for long term sustainability. Everything food wise I can last a week on, two if I ration but if I supplement it with foraged plants and hunted game I can last a few months. I tried out a bunch of configurations last year and this is the one I came up with that works the best for all scenarios I can think of.

Yeah I am going to feel but I ain't gonna love it. I do want more Capn Jack though, I can't get enough of him.
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>>22997179
Nice, you're well on your way to making a fortune.
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More or less my innawoods kit, its a cz52 not tokarev
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>>22997190
Understandable. But damn.. That's reduced? I guess it is what it is though m8.
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>>22997253
First loadout was around 90 pounds. Second was 70, third was 60 and finally I just dropped the SKS and used the Trifecta because three guns in one. I took it camping for a week back in August and it worked just fine. But then again I did not do any long distance hiking with it, I only went in a couple miles before making a camp.
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A lot of people don't seem to have good concepts with their kits. They're all over the place. You're trying to achieve one of two things: light kit, where being 'innawoods' is a temporary thing lasting a week or two at most (short-term survival kit); or else long-term kit, where you're building a base isolated from everything else because everything else has gone to complete and utter shit. These are completely different concepts. In the former option, the emphasis should be on water, then food, then medicine, and then security, and comfort, hygiene, shelter and the rest follow down from that. This means carrying bottled water (in a camelbak for instance), dehydrated food, a sleeping bag, a few layers of clothing (which one can quickly peel and regain as needed), and a basic trauma kit. The overall pack doesn't need to be terribly heavy, nor should it; the emphasis is on mobility, since you're likely trying to outrun something, and hauling ass with a 15kg pack is easier than a 40kg pack. What you're not likely doing is carrying around kit for catching food or purifying water. Maybe a purifying straw and a few iodine tablets is smart as a backup in case your some of your bottles are punctured, but you don't want to weigh yourself down with kit that you probably won't need.

A long-term kit means you're going to need to carry around a either hatchet or machete or both (depends on what level of redundancy you want), more water purification, more ammunition for hunting, more fire starting material, proper bedding and the like. The implication of this sort of kit is that you carry it to a staging point, set it up, and leave the bulkiest items stationary while you lug around just your water, food, a few layers of clothes, blades/relevant tools, ammunition, and weaponry during daily activities until you have to relocate. Using this bag means some serious shit has gone down - you're not going back into the city/suburbs for more than scavenging supplies for weeks or months.
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>>22974991
Cotton socks? COTTON? Motherfucker please. You clearly don't get outdoors much.
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So, I've only seen one or two guys mention sleeping bags. I realize they are bulky, but honestly what the fuck are you guys sleeping in/on? I have a bag rated to about 15 degrees, and in the compression sack its a manageable size.
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>>22997401
Read the thread faggot. I am in the process of buying wool socks.
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>>22997571
*rubs your shoulders*
It'll be okay, tripfag. Take er easy.
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>>22997649
Sorry, sorry. Socks have always been a touchy subject with me.. Dates back to my youth years when I had buckets filled with cum socks.
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>>22997686
For some reason I thought about the smell of rotting potatoes in a water filled bucket. FUCK.
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>>22997724
What the fuck.
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>>22971583
I own both this and the Mora Clipper because of /k/

most functional knives I've ever used. not afraid to fuck em up. handle everything. easy to clean.

>tfw I got the carbon blade on the clipper instead of the stainless

god I live right on the San Andreas fault and our town got wiped out in 83 by a quake and we are surrounded by 5 FUCKING PRISONS with the immediate area

why the fuck am I putting off stockpiling ammo and my bug out bag? hell I dont even keep anything loaded anymore. oh and I lost my good bag and tent and now all I have is cheapo's from big 5. fuck. I'm slacking.

>I did buy a cheapo pack of those 10 packs of led lights at big 5.
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>>22997759
The horror...

Back to my previous question..Are people just not mentioning their sleep systems, or is everyone roughing it like William Badass III?
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>>22997724
are you Irish?
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>>22997686
filthy fucking white people shit right here.
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>>22997818
No idea. I have a sleep pad which I left out if my image.. Mainly because its too bulky (its one of those silver roll up foam mats), and my sleeping back is too big (intermediate from NE). In a pinch it will all fit, np.. Just the weight is a bit much.
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>>22997884

Oh, Dont get me started on filthy white people shit. I can blow your mind with the stuff we do behind closed doors.
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>>22976402
Silent entertainment can be worth it's weight in gold (or boolits) when you have to bed down and remain undetected for any length of time. You try sitting in a foxhole or other hide for 12 hours and let us know how that book looks now.
Besides
>emergency wipin' paper
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>>22997818
I use a hammock. Most of the time I'm in the desert and it gets really god damned cold at night in the winter but if you build a good dakota pit fire and keep it hot to cook on then you bury it and put your hammock low over it with a couple wool blankets the radiant heat coming up keeps me warm enough for even frost covered nights.
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>>22996477
Have you ever tried making those muffins or whatever mix that is out in the field?
I was kinda wondering if that would work well...
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>>22997865
Not fully. But enough to appreciate anything potato related.
>>22997902
I understand the size/weight thing. The bag I have compresses quite well, and I'm willing to bite the bullet to sleep comfortably in most conditions.
>>22998052
I think anon was criticizing you choice of material, not the object itself.
>>22998057
I'm looking into an inexpensive hammock as well. Would be nice to get off the ground and the space taken up is nominal.
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>>22998052
Or you could actually be aware of your surroundings for that 12 hours and not get your throat slit.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
You could at least bring a book about survival/plants
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>>22996552
I have a Charge TTi and it doesn't have a bottle opener... Do you mean the can opener?
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>>22998116
They work brilliantly. You want to get water only mix and then make them up in the mess kit pan and put the lid on then put in the coals for about twenty minutes with coals on the bottom and coals on the top. After twenty minutes you have a cake. Nothing lifts your spirits in the woods like a chocolate chip cake.

I bought a rainbow one off ebay because it was cheap and nylon. I removed the spreader bars and its worked great for the past couple years. Comfortable and big enough for me and my SKS.
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>>22997571
Try Ranger rolling your clothes, especially socks. It can save a good bit of space.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoHN4-0jw6A
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>>22971252
OP youre better prepared than about 80% of the worlds population.
dont come here to expect a rational debate between the guys who are trying to squeeze themselves in and others out of the top 1% of BOB builders

you can fix this by going through your cabinets at your house right now
>rice, easy to cook pasta add water shit, tuna and chicken packets, fast food condiment packets
>multitool, knife, mess kit, canteen/water system
>candles, batteries, blanket, headlamp/flashlight, gloves,
>some kinda land nav, zip ties and duct tape

and my personal suggestion that no one seems to have ever posted about on any forum I've seen
>Sidewalk chalk
most people say a big sharpie which is the same thing but leaving notes and marking shits gonna be important bud.
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>>22998147

The mind needs a challenge, and this type of material will do this especially when you try to break it down and analysis it. Having mental workouts like that and being able to think critically can be more valuable than learning about survival tactics especially if you're well seasoned. Not to say that I am extremely seasoned or educational on wildlife and plants, but enough to where if I need to bug out for a week or two I'm not going to die. Poetry also is a form of art.. And art is what gives us our humanity. Without these types of readings we would completely lose ourselves in the barren wasteland or ruins that we may one day find ourselves in.
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>>22998361
I hear you bro. I would strongly consider a smaller paperback book/books. Unless you have a problem with smaller font, you won't have to sacrifice length for physical size.
For instance, I have a book which collects musings from various philosophers, organized intelligently, in a VERY reasonable package.
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>>22998301

>over-processed MRE
>bags full of Ramen, SPAM, and candybars
>caring about food variety in a life/death scenario
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>>22998459
Yeah who's the jerk who did that with ramen?
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>>22998459
Not saying I agree with it, but some people can't handle a lack of creature comforts and variety. Necessity will either breed compliance or death..
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>>22998441
Yeah, I understand. I'll have to find some lighter, more compact books. Its just what I had in my library that I threw in there. I have a bunch of other decent reading material too. Thanks man
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>>22998500

true
coming from a /fit/ background I guess I'm used to just eating the same shit over and over. Not out of necessity, just ease/logistics
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>>22998539
2/2
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>>22998567
Two things

1 - Bear Creek is the best
2 - Where in the hell did you find a single six with that long of a barrel?
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>>22998531
Good on ya. You'll probably appreciate the variety as well; diff genres will satisfy all of your moods and situations.
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>>22998567
Hunting, minus ya know snares and traps and shit. I need to get me a 110 conny soon.

1957 ruger single six w/ LR and WMR cylinder.
>50 rounds of super colibri
>50 rounds of WMR
>20 rounds snake shot
>500 rounds of assorted LR
>350 rounds of CCI CB shorts and CCI +p( for lack of a better term) shorts.
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>>22998640
Makes me think of Joker whipping his shit out to shoot down the batwing...
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>>22998640
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>>22998459
oh god
>having a hobby youre gonna spend some money on but for all intents and purposes you will never have a need yet alone an excuse to use to it's 100% functionality
>not spending a weekend and having a little fun with making your own MRE's that you can even stand to take on trips with others who aren't elite special forces who've obviously prestiged more than twice like this >>22998459 faggot here

oh and get one of those windup radio's and a deck of cards maybe OP.
I just keep this shit in my trunk anyways so I'm a rank amateur for not having ammo caches buried at sporadic GPS coordinate sites along the way to my bunker.

then again everyone secretly wants SHTF to happen so they can be mad max war lords with a harem of young catamites to drag around the waste land with them

this is the most I will invest into it
3 days - most likely, powers out, at worst looting and hysteria, water cut off, fires from gas lines, traffics completely fucked in all directions
3 weeks - SHIT HAS GONE DOWN, gubberment capacity has stretched itself to its max, you and youre neighbors might start pointing guns at people, hoarding and panic sets in, most or all of societal safety nets are gone and people are feeling it.
3 months - whelp, looks like /k/ was right after all, time to pledge myself to the glorious NorthWesternFront or get in line for my fema tickets to disneyworld.

>tfw sick of retards believing that they are gonna be able to live off the land in case shit goes south instead of all biomass being depleted within 6 months by every other fudd faggot with the same idea

you guys dont remember cafeteria lunches? they werent so bad. pretty sure life in the zone would be worse guys.
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>>22998613
Dad bought it in the 70s for 50 bucks? Something absurd like that, off a buddy.
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>>22998738
Good buy and at least your mannequin head has a closed mouth
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>>22998459
>yfw and spam and candy bars were literally in the original army rations

why do you think US colonies love spam so much?
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>>22998727
I think your timetables are a bit premature (and you appear butthurt).
A few years ago I was living in RI and my town got railed by a hurricane. I was without power for a whole week. There was no chaos, just frustrated people. The downed trees were steadily cleared, the basements pumped, and I actually enjoyed how pitch black some of the neighborhoods got at night.
Have a bit more perspective, friend.
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>>22998727
They're probably won't be any large game left, but your forgetting the fact that over half the population is old with medical issues
>dead in a week
And 1/3 are infants and children
>dead in a month
And don't forget the city populations who will eat themselves to death in a month.

No. They're will be surplus. You'll just have to take it.
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Not sure if this thread is about to keel over, but I had two more questions:
1. Where's the maps at? And on the subject, any particular vendor to check out?
2. Anyone fish? I never have, and would like to learn. Are there poles capable of being taken apart, yet maintain durability in use? I usually see people only pack line and lure..whats the deal? Hunting deer and shit sounds fun and all, but there's an abundance of fish around my neck of the woods..
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>>22998832
oh yeah totally agree with you man. I just mean as in you having to use items or actually buggin out.
I mean as in worst case of a bad situation most likely chimp out or crazy panic before the nat guard comes in holds shit down.

>>22998855
I imagine the living would envy the dead
damn /k/ you scary

all I'm saying is fuck living in "The Road" type situation, fuck becoming some FLIR video highlight fighting the good fight, and living off government cheese at some red cross tent aint so bad.

>tfw I just remembered the stories of the superdome after katrina, rape, infection, disease, MASSIVE THEFT
note to self. avoid black people not under constant threat of felony.
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>>22999041
As far as maps go, I use a handheld Garmin gos specific to hiking. Downloaded a map for a 20 mile radius of the forest preserve near my house.

As far as fishing goes, yes.. They have very nice collapsable poles. People only pack line + hooks and shit because its a space saver and you can use a stick as a hobo rod. They have very small ones at Walmart for children that would fit easily on the outside of a hiking bag along with full size ones that break down into pieces. They may not be as durable, but fuck.. As long as you catch something then it shouldn't be a problem.
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>>22999062
And this, anon, is why we bug the fuck out. No way I'm going to a govt shelter like that. I'll happily live in the woods away from disease, theft, and rape while sleeping soundly under the stars eating my dried fruit, and canned fish.
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>>22999112
Do you have a means of charging the garmin? Also, I'm preparing for multiple scenarios, and I think having at least one competent backup map would be a good idea.
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>>22999230
No, I Dont. But if used sparingly it will last weeks. It is also water and shock proof. I've used mine multiple times, in Guatemala, and mexico. Both a year apart, without changing batteries. Also, it wouldn't be difficult to find or pack extra batteries
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>>22999276
I'm going to look into that...I'd like to know if purchasing a couple spare batteries is viable, and whether some sort of solar/crank charger is compatible. Seems like someone could make a fair amount of coin given a garmin's application and user base.
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>>22999356
Absolutely. Especially when it comes to marking safe places, bunkers, and places you've hid supplies. But as you said before, go ahead and buy a physical map as a back up. You can never have enough back ups.
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that's a pretty good kit. I like the paracord. Consider getting a big spool of braided fishing line, around 30 pound test or so. It's like paracord's equally useful little brother, great for tying stuff, and a big roll will last you forever.
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>>22996750
One piece steel indestructable piece of just fucking awesomeness. Got mine free from a construction site trash heap.
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>>22997504
I'm in a pretty mild climate. I have a fleece Kelty bag liner, then if necessary I can bivy sack over that with a couple of trash bags. If it's really cold, I 've got a 4'X12' space blanket that can become a really crinkly bivy shelter. Plus more trash bags that can be stuffed with marsh grass or newspaper to make a ground pad. Hobo basic, it'll work for my area.
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>>22998301
Ramen noodles in an MRE?

MRE stands for Meal Ready to Eat. Ramen noodles are not "ready to eat" out of the package unless you are reeeeealy hungry, as I have found out. For any bugout food, I want something I can eat on the run.

Just found pic related at Walmart. 2 packs of noodles precooked, just heat up (or not). 320 calories per pack.
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>>23000914
>inb4 anon claiming you have to heat up some of the meals
I never wasted time heating shit up.
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>>23001077
Neither did I when I was in the field. It's an option but not necessary like with ramen.
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>>22998301
Hah! I've recommended and carry both chalk AND a big ass Sharpie. I'll have to dig because I might also have a silver Sharpie. Those are good for writing notes on things like hoods and windows. My bag is a GHB, otherwise I'm sure my silver Sharpie would be enough to displace you in the 1% lifeboat.
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>>23001284
Its always best to maximize the amount of time you have to refuel...they gave us 11b's shit for time.
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>>22971542
I can almost see this as viable... Use a brush axe blade on a massive shaft and this might just be fedora enough to work... A walking stick that is also your main workhorse of a blade, giving it a lot of leverage.
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>>23001489
>this might just be fedora enough to work
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>>22998727
You'll be dead before you hit the ground. No plate carrier, no Gen X NVGs, no Middle Earth camo, no milsurp AT ALL, your car probably outweighs your ammo, your selection of guns is laughably inadequate. I bet your bunker isn't even seismically reinforced.

Bro, do you even prep?
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>>23001523
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>>22999041
Mapwise, I have an app in my iPhone. It lets me download USGS topo maps and keep them available for offline use. I have some paper maps for backup.

Personally I don't do fishing. I'm on the west coast, fish in Humboldt Bay are already starting to show elevated Cesium levels. However, I do carry one sectional dome tent pole in my bag. One of the fiberglass ones, about 5 sections that shock cord together. Lots of uses there, I bet you could rig a fishing pole with it.
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>>22999230
Different anon. Solar charger is your friend. Also look at getting a crank radio with a USB charging port. That would take a hellish amount of time.
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>>23001970
I just found out about the Etón Scorpion. Any opinions?
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>>22974744
>>22974642

it's kinda a wink and a nod that manufacturers do for their resellers. if the manufacturer offered the lowest price always, then no reseller would bother to carry the items. but by marking up a bit at the "source" the consumer thinks that they're getting a great deal from the reseller. this way, the manufacturer gets to enjoy the wide distribution network and steady, large volume of demand that a large reseller provides
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>>23002274
I never knew it existed until you mentioned it. Right now I have a Radio Shack crank radio with USB port and flashlight function. It's kinda weighty and klunky. If this Eton dealy is more compact, it sounds like a better thing. The solar feature is a huge bonus. Just hope it's not a trendy gimmick aimed at the hipster crowd.
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All I need
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>>23003253
Is that a bottle of optimum nutrition fish oil capsules....
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>>23003281
AND a tactical USB bayonet
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>>22971276
"You need 4 minimum: Feet, Hands, Neck, balls, extra socks use em' all."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXnM6BRl-s8
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>>22996670

knife?
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Nobody ever puts firefighter wedges in their bags
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>>23003487

come back Erik
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>>22996670
Nice stricktarn pack, /k/omrade
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>>23003487
>>23003574
It's clearly a Cold Steel.
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>>23003510
I didn't even know these things existed. I assume they can also spike doors closed?
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>>23003924

I dunno you can try.

There's cheese wedge ones that look like the thing you put behind truck wheels too. Those might work better for keeping something shut rather than open.
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Since I'm too lazy to do it, I figure I'll let /k/ know that SilencerCo is doing a photo contest in line with this thread.

Win a suppressor. Or three. pls dont report

http://www.silencerco.com/living-in-the-red
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>>22971252
>saving weight on the axe handle
>everything new, clean and never used
>no water
>no water
>no water
>no light
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>>23004057

The shotgun has a light
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>>23004057
You act surprised...everyone knows "SHTF" discussions are giant circle jerks that rarely have anything to do with actually preparing for reality.
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I haven't posted on here in a long time..

Why the fuck doesn't innawoods.net have a bow yet? Seriously..


I can't upload pictures at the moment but I've got my bow, bag, and camo out for hunting season. Going to be fun.
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