Who /len'en/ here?

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>>16817819
>/jp/ is about touhou
I know it's you, Suzumi. Stop trying to mess with our minds.

>>16817800
what kind of koishi is this

>>16820088
Which Koishi?
Monochrome Koishi?
Computery Koishi?
Skeleton Koishi?

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Who Delenn here?

>>16820983
Who's the computery one? The airhead?

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>>16827810
yea

>>16830259
Is it weird that I think Tsubakura is the boy and Yabusame is the girl?

>>16830549
Not at all. But I believe them to both be girls.

>>16817819
2hu is too old now,we need new games for new generations.

>>16817800
How long I need to wait for Len'en hentai(or Rule 34)?

>>16835389
It ust needs the be remastered well when released into Steam... eventually.

Im waiting for an eccentric billionaire to persuade ZUN to release the games on bundle there under his personal expense, with options to switch the original assets with new character portaits and ending screens by Moe Harukawa, the music with selected fan remixes, voiced lines by nip amateur VAs, and remastered graphics in general.

>>16835401
not much longer
http://www.pixiv.net/search.php?word=%E9%8F%88%E7%B8%81&r18=1
>>16835413
shut the hell your mouth

>>16835423
I can't see any shit on pixiv. I hate my browser.

I think it has potential, but JynX really needs to learn how to make ... everything, really. His music sucks, his stages suck and the spellcards are dreadfully bad. Dude spent too much time focused on the story than actually making a game, I mean, just look at BPoHC : a game on its 4th iteration shouldn't have so many characters, specially since most of them are pretty forgettable.

>>16835401

How would you be able to when nobody even knows whether the protagonists are boys are girls.

>>16836295
That doesn't sound like it has potential.

>>16836309
Up to your imagination. Personally:
>Girl: Airhead, blue one, red one, umbrella, jew, haniwa, extra snake, jockey, soul, newborn, barrier
>Boy: Ink, assasin, scoundrel, annoyance, OP, slug, hero, boss snake, bones, vessel

>>16817800
I prefer Lenin

>>16839196
i like mine better
>girl: airhead, big hat, water kid, dancer, umbrella, slug, haniwa, boss snake, extra snake, bones, jockey, dragon, yuyuko, orange
>boy: naruto, fire kid, purple kid, annoyance, hero, jew aya, ghost

Some of the soundtracks are nice. Homunculus Dream is grating at first, but has a nice tune

>>16839551
I wish he'd stop using the same exact progression and instruments for every song, but there's some real good shit if you look hard enough. Like Shion and Tsurubami's themes.

>>16839542
Oh, I almost forgot. Only the bosses, though.
>Girl: smith, croupier, hoarder
>Boy: RAGE, sweet tooth, ░

>>16839555
There's also RMI's stage 5 theme. Shit's comfy.

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>>16817800
I want to make a fighting Len'en fangame like SWR or Soku but I don't know which characters I should add in.

>>16820994
The fact that someone else on 4chan remember B5 scares me.

>>16836295
We talking bad Megaman Fangame levels of just walls and walls of text with shit gameplay.

>>16840889
yabusame, tsubakura, kuroji, tsurubami, sukune, fumikado, tenkai, kunimitsu, garaiya, xeno a, suzumi
maybe clause or lumen as a joke character

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>>16840889
Are you sure Jynx will be ok with it?

>>16845529
Yeah, he said in one of those interviews that Icy Hot got beaten in a fight rather than in a spellcard duel, and considering that Monochrome World will be a different genre, there's the possiblity that JynX one day makes a fighting game. Also, about the name
>"jynx" is part of the technical name of a certain bird. Can't go into much more detail on that.
>My reasons for changing the pen name:
>"Jinx" ← too normal
>"Jynx" ← it's like that Pokémon...
>"JynX" ← well, that should be good enough?

kuroji's shot type is the absolute worst i've seen in a shmup

You at least have to admire how dedicated the guy is to his stuff despite it being extremely unpopular and kinda crappy. He at least get shit done somewhat, that's better than most people can say.

>>16853856
How so? The one I hate is Tsubakura's. You only do considerable damage if you're on the bottom.

>>16817800
The art is really bland and the music could've been better by a lot. Seems like the guy has an overall story already thought, but most other things are just mediocre.

>>16855120
when you're unfocused, the lasers aim mostly to the side and is mostly unuseful
the bomb is pretty short range too

>>16859660
But it's pretty powerful. Almost as Monochrome Ray.

Anyone else getting Cinderella Cage vibes from Arch Heaven (Mitori's theme)?

>>16861648
i guess. but that still doesn't fix the awful normal shot

>>16817800
I want Kuroji to take my virginity

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Why /jp/ like this 2hu rip off so much?

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>>16864767
Aside from the weird shot types and the overuse of pianos in the music, I find it to be pretty enjoyable. It also gives me something to do in this Touhou drought.

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>>16864813
Are you saying that shit is actually better than 2hu?

>>16864902
Heck no, Len'en will never be better than Touhou. All I said was that I think it's good.

So, uh, I guess we dedicate this thread to pointing out the flaws and what could be better about the game ? I'll start with two :
1-DRUMS. God fucking dammit percussion is important, it's almost clockwork how JynX's only good tracks are the ones with drums of any kind.
2-He should invest more on existing characters. Tsurubami actually seems interesting enough, but something tells me that if Project LENIN does go forwards, she'll become the new Mima and remain eternally on a "vacation".

>>16866660
the entire plot of the series is yabu and tsubarku taking over the shrine duties so tsurubami can go on vacation and look for something important, and she can't come back for awhile for unexplained reasons

>>16867773
It's said that Tsurubami wanted revenge (dunno why), but that it's difficult to get out and even more difficult to get in. Also, it seems that he can't use most of his powers there.

>>16866660
How about balance? Fucking EE Kuroji and RMI Sese destroy any attempt at Unreal. Or am I just that bad?

>>16868128
>Or am I just that bad?
I wish I could tell, I'm a complete scrub at regular 2hu, can't even 1cc on Normal. However, many competent 2hu Youtubers, the kind that can do No Miss runs of 2hu on Ultra, all say that Len'en has a serious RNJesus issue and that much of it is bullshit.
I don't know about you, but I'd take their word on it.

>>16868876
part of the rng issue is the higher difficulties being reliant on the flash bomb, something that really should be mapped to another button
especially bad in the 4th game where there's random events that make it unusable

>>16868970
>flash bomb unusable in 4th game
I thought that was just a normal bomb seal?

>>16868876
I've seen a guy who is average at touhou but manages to make pretty good runs in absurdly extra (by which I mean, not dying every 5 seconds). Also, yeah, first time I saw this game (Jaimers "This is stupid"), I almost called it quits. Now I just want to at least unlock that mode for all games, but the 4th one is too much.

>>16836295
Thank you.

>>16869045
you can only use flash bombs unfocused and normal bombs focused, and there are events that bind you to one or the other

>>16869084
Ah, the locked into focused/unfocused ones. Really bad mechanics. Imagine a mix of Focused, Time Field, Bomb Seal, Invincible Enemies and that group of ghosts which spawns from the center.

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>>16836295
>"His music sucks"

>>16869111
imagine walking on ice with anything

>>16869119
That one's not that bad unless you main Tsubakura or play Unreal.

>>16869126
it's terrible on anything other than easy, where it doesn't happen

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>>16869130
Really? I'm fine with anything other than Invincible enemies.

>>16869115
>>"His music sucks"

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>>16869136
>>>"His music sucks"

>>16869136
invincible enemies is fine when you have the upgrade that lets you damage them
but even then, you get lots of alcohol for shooting them

>>16869212
Ah, yeah, Tsurubami's upgrade. I should discard my autism and stop trying to play in Insta-Death without upgrades.

>>16869259
you will get nowhere in the game doing that

>>16869309
Nah. I've already unlocked everything except Absurdly Extra. I just want to try beating the fucking game the old way.

>>16869326
good luck then, you'll need it

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>>16869139
>>>>"His music sucks"

>>16869115
>>16869136
>>16869139
>>16869360
Well fuck, what have I said wrong ? AM I BEING MEME'D ?!

>>16869490
Nothing. His music sucks. They're just samefriending.

>>16869561
Nah, I wasn't samefagging. It was my mistake for hoping someone wouldn't do that.

>>16869576
thanks for being honest then I guess

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FUCK YOU STUPID SNAKE.
WHY IS YOUR LAST CARD SO BROKEN YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE BUT TIME IT OUT!
AND WHY THE FUCK IS YOUR SHITTY SWORD A BOSS TOO!?

>>16869669
How to fight sword boss?

>>16869687
>git gud
>impress chick with bouquet
>???
>PROFIT

>>16869693
How to acquire flower points?

>>16869830
Survive longer. Start Stage 6 with at least 3 full petals.

>>16864767
I like it a bit because of Tsuba's suffering (forced to do something you don't want, nostalgic, having your soul gradually sucked) and the fact that they don't like Yabusame that much, with the feeling being mutual.

>>16873489
Tsubakura and Yabu-sama aren't best friends? Even they're partners in RMI

>>16874304
The partners thing there is because they both are the priests. They're not friends more than close acquaintances. Oh, but the biggest reason I'm saying this is because of Tsubakura's reaction when he found out even Yabusame was affected by Kuzu's power.
There's no official or ingame source, so feel free to tell me I'm pulling this out of my ass. Also, these lines.
>Having taken the cup from Yabusame, Tsubakura was aware that the substance contained within was definitely not something that belonged there under normal circumstances, but they drank it anyways.
>They swished the black fluid around on their tongue, savored the taste well, and swallowed it.
>After taking a breath, they looked at Yabusame and grinned widely.
>Tsubakura: "Even since we came to this world, your skills in the kitchen haven't dulled a bit."
>Yabusame: "You're probably the only person alive who would say so after drinking that."
>While saying that, Yabusame leaned their head back and gave a strained smile.

>>16874336
Adding to this, I like the personalities of the "main" characters and their dynamics.
>Kuroji: Jealous of Tsubakura (implied to be older than Tsuba) and a low degree of chuuni (believes he's special, and gained power)
>Hooaka: Strategic. Likes teasing her older brother
>Aoji: Self-deprecating. Seems to have an special ability, since she could vaguely remember Kuzu
>Yabusame: Airhead with something (or nothing) going on around her
>(omitted): His species is annoyance. Doesn't seem to be very smart
>Tsurubami: Too powerful. Seems to like abetting both sides of a conflict and destroying them in one fell swoop. Also wants revenge but is somewhat powerless. May become Mima.

>>16874336
Yabusame is a bit naive so maybe they're not aware of their relation with Tsubakura.

>>16874481
How many of these characters could be considered as Tsuba's friends?

>>16817800
I liked it better when none of the characters had a gender and every single one was androgynous. Its shit now.

>>16874500
The Shitodos and Tsuba somewhat trust each other. Tsuba thinks Clause is a bother but seems to be worried about his (mental?) health. He dislikes Tsurubami for imposing that task upon him.
To answer your question, the Shitodos could be considered his friends (seems that in the outside world they're known as Tsuba & co)

>>16874522
But they don't have?

>>16874522
The characters never had a canon gender,they're still genderless.

Why do you guys like this? Fights are too hard and the flashbomb thing is just an excuse for the game to throw bullshit at you.

>>16874769
Music?

Anyone else loves Kuroji's theme in EE: End of History? I'm really addicted to that song

>>16875419
I prefer Old Choked Memories. But yeah, that one it's bretty gud.

>>16875419
Thought I was the only one. That one's crazy fucking classy. Yabu's EX stage theme is good too.

It's said that one of the EE themes wasn't made by JynX. Which one do you think it is? My money is on Extra Mind (Stage 3 theme)

>>16876407
Senri's Theme or Stage 6 Theme

>>16876387
I haven't unlocked EX stage yet,normal mode is so hard!

>>16874549
I always thought of all of them being male since touhou is mostly girls and len'en is the opposite (along with Suzumi's campyness)

>>16878431
Most of Len'ens look like shotas to me

>>16878431
It's a little unusual to have to point this out but normally a cast of characters will consist of both males and females.

>>16878870
Bit too quick on the draw there.

To add on I just evaluate each one to see whether or not I think they're a guy or girl.

I think the creator regards at least part of his cast secretly as male but he's afraid of what would happen if he outright said it.

>>16878878
I bet it's because of what ZUN stated that works for Touhou (only girls do danmaku). JynX tried to give it its own touch.

JynX needs to learn how to use more than the same 5 instruments and different progression.

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wud u a tsuba?

>>16879133
Can I ask where ZUN said that, and
>JynX tried to give it its own touch.
to further elaborate on what you meant here?

>>16881722
First Len'en ecchi! Len'en is getting closer to Hentai!

>>16881406
Which are those five instruments?

>>16882704
I'd rather it doesn't. Remember the characters are supposed to be androgynous. Pretty sure I'm not the only one that would hate the game if characters were given genders, even by the fanbase at large.

>>16882746
Piano, violin, electric piano, harpsichord, and slap bass

>>16882829
I'm surprised JynX didn't copy ZUNpets

>>16882761
All Len'ens should be futa girls then

>>16882829
I wouldn't mind if he just stuck to those as long as he actually learned how to use them properly. Also
>>16882943
They say he tries mimicking ZUN's art style and music, and his drawings sure show it, but the lack of Romantique Tp or wind instruments at all is quite strange.

>>16882943
>>16882990
Some of his songs have zunpets. Lost jackpot comes to mind.

Len'en OST is shit,the worst one is probably Eternal Dance Engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYmSIlWjS0o

>>16881778
What he said was along the lines of
>Danmaku is a girly thing
>Boys wouldn't have the need to use danmaku
I can't find it. I remember reading about it and thinking it was an interesting point.

>>16882990
>Romantique Tp
Holy shit now I want this. Shame we'll probably never get it.

>>16881778
>>16884048
He says it in his interview in The Untold History of Japanese Game Developers.

You can read the whole thing here:
https://pastebin.com/x2HMZT99
(4chan takes this site as spam so I can't post the link directly here)
Start from page 242 when he discusses almost every Touhou character being a girl. And do read the entire interview, it's great.

>>16884048
>>16885269
I figured the answer would be related to danmaku being a thing of elegance, so I'm not too surprised there.

The interesting thing to me are his statements about him communicating very little with his Japanese fanbase and the primarily female presence being just because he prefers it that way rather than because that's what people want are more interesting to me.

He seems like a very independent person.

>>16885371
>He seems like a very independent person.
If ZUN were independent he wouldn't drink too much beer to keep alive

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I wonder what would happen if Tsurubami went to Gensokyo...
She could become the new Gensokyo ruler as she did it in Mugenri?

>>16886081
Nah, seems like she's only an OP human. Unless she somehow discovers how to turn the system of Gensokyo to her favor, I don't think she could reign Gensokyo.

>more than 100 replies
Is this 2/5 game really gaining popularity, even if only just a little bit?

>>16886426
/jp/ now belongs to Len'en Project!

>>16886081
Tsurubami is a slut

>>16886566
I like Len'en but not even JynX thinks the game is near Touhou.

>>16886582
Tsurubami is more merciless than slut. See >>16874481. Also
>no lewds of tsurubami
why live

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>>16886582
So Slutposters finally discovered Len'en...

I wonder which Len'en is the most popular...

>>16874500
There's something in the prologue of BPoHC that indicates Kuroji trusts Tsubakura to an above average degree.

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>>16874481
>Too powerful
>somewhat powerless

>>16887467
probably kuroji

>>16888536
I thought it was Tsubakura

>>16888475
Maybe even Tsuru's OPness isn't enough to have revenge on whoever they were talking about in the Bad End.

>>16887606
Kuroji trusts that Tsuba will always get the job done, since she's a genius.
Also, about Kuro and Tsuba, expanding on what I said in >>16874481, Kuro was the "normal" one in a family of prodigies. Since he has powers now, he wants to experiment regardless of consequences (See Kuroji's situatuion in BPoHC).

Can you draw len'ens ZUN style?
>>16874335

>>16891603
That's beautiful

>>16869490
JynX's music isn't that bad, but it suffers from mixing failures (screechy trumpets, clipping, saturation, using piano as bass, violins too rape-y) and lack of originality.
Almost all the songs feel the same, tho there are some legit good songs and somd cool melodies but thats all.
BPoHC gets it worse with the arranges, all of them are screechy and loud while the originals aren't enough original.

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>>16895431
I've only played EE and the music is pretty good(I'm in love with Kuroji's theme). I don't know anything about other games, their music is that bad?

>>16895757
Try Present World Overhaul (RMI Extra Boss theme)

>>16895757
Have you unlocked Tsuba's Extra? I like that song more.

>>16895978
Nope, I'm a shit player so I haven't even unlocked Tsuba as player character...

>>16895757
Try M_Theory (yabu's theme), Stage 5 and Shall_We_Dance!! from EE.

>>16896197
Practice it a bit. I'll give you an old replay. Change the name to rep_dat_0#.
https://mega.nz/#!RZJgTbTT!R5jh1Ulink_NY_5KUkbwJq9_m430wcZBF2DdlSbi6hM

i like how suzumi's ex theme uses snes samples

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I wonder if ZUN knows Len'en Project and what does think about...

>>16902665
Probably not.

>>16902665
Don't think so. Besides, Len'en is not that big.

>>16902514
I swear I can hear Giygas theme in the beginning.

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Look at this slut willing to sell their body for cards.

>>16907023
Isn't that Shion face?

>>16902665
ZUN largely doesn't pay much attention to specific fanworks outside of his own group of friends.

>>16907563
Every face in bpohc is shion face

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Len'en is bretty gud

Design wise I really wish Touhou would use more youkai-like designs

Chouki is amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLCvoQ_w2j0

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How many of you have actually beat EX Sese? Also, how far have you gotten on the Extra without dying?

>>16912377
i've beaten her 3 times on easy extra
i'm trying for normal extra now, furthest i can get is tenkai's survival

>>16912390
>her

>>16912393
sese seems like a girl to me

>>16912390
How interesting, the furthest I've got was also Tenkai's survival, but without dying.

>>16912402
Really? I think Sese has a boyish aura around him.

>>16912377
I've never unlocked EX Stage

>>16912547
>EMS
I know that feel.

>>16912578
Everything is so weird in that game. The bullet patterns from the stage enemies, the non-spells and spells from mid-bosses and bosses, the music, the characters's shot-types and the CHARACTERS!

https://mega.nz/#!QBR1TQYL!fgkKpyILG3AytawjK0q9eJsHSeqyvU9-GXPP-H5C_GE
fite me

>>16916519
I like EE because the bullshit is not as much while still being fun.

>>16909426
>who is-
Yeah, what was JynX thinking.

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>>16878878
>>16879133
A bit of a shame, because I'd be perfectly ok with the entire cast being males. Idk why some people have to be afraid of having guys.

>>16922251
IKR. Len'en doesn't have to be the same shit as Touhou.
>Idk why some people have to be afraid of having guys.
They are fucking homophobic faggots so ignore them.

Question: Where did you find that pic?

>>16923382
I think it has both boys and girls. See >>16839196 and for the 4th game
>Boy: snail, toad, exterminator, idiot, rageface, warmongerer,    
>Girl: celestial, ded, hero, poison, 1cc destroyer, god(lol), copycat, casino

>>16923382
This guy's twitter: https://twitter.com/kouki0170134643

>>16923382
Back to tumblr with you.

>>16923382
>fucking homophobic faggots
This thread is not for rude.

>>16923824
Nice, thanks.

Why do people say Len'en is shit? Is it because of the shot types? Or because of some of the bullshity patterns?

>>16926133
Mostly game design I'd feel, and because it's not Touhou. Stage design in Len'en really is notoriously bad, but I still really love the series. JynX will improve with time, since he clearly dedicates a lot of time to game development. Plus, we're getting an over-glorified Touhou 3 jukebox really soon so I can't complain.

>>16926133
A lot of the fourth game was either hit or miss for me. The spell cards are usually fairly different from touhou and some of them have interesting concepts but others are just really annoying to deal with like Shirami's second card.

Same thing kinda goes for shot types. Pumpkin lad's shot is literally omnidirectional firing, for instance. I thought Tenkai's was good to use but maybe that's because he can spawn camp pretty hard.

>>16926630
Yeah it's a bit harsh to compare JynX to ZUN when the latter's been at this original game thing for a much longer period of time.

>>16926657
Some spells really are too unbalanced. Kujiru's worse to deal with than Kaisen who has literally one hard spell, which is the first one. Shou's last is stupid for a 2nd stage boss. I guess he still struggles with balancing.

>>16926666
Yet people still do it. High standards I guess, I wouldn't take people seriously if they ever said that was fair. Nice Quads.

>>16926630
>over-glorified Touhou 3 jukebox
what

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>>16926767
Basically, he's going to release a heavily-modified version of his Touhou 3 Remake, without dialogue. However, the point of it isn't to be a game, but rather seeing CPU's fight each other at the sound of Touhou 3's OST he'll also release at the same time. The main point is seeing them fight, but you can also challenge NPC's or have duels between actual people.

>>16926782
that's amazing
when is it out?

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>>16926847
"Soon, due to unforeseen setbacks." *cough cough*Monster Hunter*cough cough*

>>16926133
I've been trying to play the first game for the last few days, and while I'm certainly not a fan of the one shottype that's unlocked at the beginning of the game, it's really the latter that's making me dislike it. Some of these attacks, mostly during stage portions, seem quite literally impossible to dodge if you don't know it's coming prior to it (and when I say literally I'm referring to it happening faster than human reaction time can register it). Examples of this are the part of Stage 4 where enemies are coming down in columns to shoot horizontally, and at one point they come down in the center of the stage, and if you're standing there in the center you're just FUCKED, and the only way to know to dodge is to have been hit by it before. Another example is right after the Stage 5 midboss spellcard, where you don't even get a moment to breathe before enemies shoot up from the bottom of the stage and you're dead if you don't already know where the safespots are.
Also, I have no idea how the Len'en fanbase feels about it so I might be inviting ridicule on my end, but I'm not a fan of the game's "switching between black bullets and white bullets" gimmick.

All of that being said, though, I'm going to wait until I at least 1cc the game before I outright say I Len'en is shit. It's probably premature for me to do so without spending at least that much time on it.

>>16926879
so never?
>>16927087
i agree with you completely
t. fan

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>>16927087
The shot is locked at start for plot reasons, yet I still agree it's kinda bad design. Like previously said, the stage design is probably some of the worst around, and EE is notorious for a lot of bullshit. It's not a game you can clear at first try for sure. As for the black-white color switch, it may look hard at first, but it's doable. EE still makes you able to see the outline of bullets if you look hard enough. Good Luck.

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>>16927105
If I had to guess, I'd say next month for sure. He might not show but he works his ass off. Of course, he still can and should rest after all the shit he had to put up when releasing BPoHC, so I'd give him a break, he hasn't stopped working on anything since he released RMI, plus the fact he already has updates planned for all games and the next 2 games planned.

>>16927122
RMI and BPoHC updates when? I need muh english patches and replay functionality.

>>16927153
Complete english translation still missing. If you want, you can modify the files yourself.
http://lenen.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Game_Tools_and_Modifications
I also want a patch for replays where you can just CTRL the shit out of it.

>>16927153
>>16927164
EE and EMS have a complete patch on the wiki.
RMI and BPoHC are still only halfway-ish done.

>>16927215
I meant, for fixing the replay. You currently can't CTRL and skip unteresting parts.

>>16927110
>Good luck.
Thank you, I feel like I need it. I would probably have an easier time trying to 1cc Touhou 15 on Legacy, honestly, given my attempts at this so far. I only just got a NMNB on Stage 2 today, and had to very heavily analyze the boss's first spellcard (not counting the midboss card) to do so since it seemed so random at first.

>>16927567
Not him, but I'm still struggling with a normal legacy clear whereas I've already got 1cc with yabu and tsuba on EE, RMI and beat (not 1cc) Chouki on BPoHC.

>>16923824
He should sell some of those figures. I want to cum in one of them.

>>16927567
You should play once with continues to see everything (and the bad end, since they are fun) and after that plan where to bomb and the like. EE's 2nd boss' second-to-last card gives you lots of points if you bomb as Yabusame. 3rd boss is always a graze mine, so use it for points, since you'll need them for the rest of the game. Also, if you really want to NMNB, even on Normal, good luck with the final "boss".

>>16927567
>very heavily analyze
you're so gonna love extra stage

>>16927625
Oh fuck no, I've watched people play the bullshit that is Len'en's Extra stages. I'm not touching that shit with a fucking 40-foot-pole.
>>16927615
My goal isn't to NMNB everything, but I can't accept dying or bombing before Stage 4. It just doesn't sit right with me at all.

>>16927703
Also do bullets sometimes spawn below the bottom of the screen and move upward? I fucking swear I keep dying to literally nothing when I'm on the bottom of the screen on Stage 1, and the amount of runs I have lost to this is infuriating me.

>>16927703
>the bullshit that is Len'en's Extra stages
it's not that bad. abex is bullshit, but the normal one is fine. i'm so close to a perfect extra

>>16927732
yes. remember how in touhou your sprite doesn't go completely off the screen but here only your hitbox doesn't go off? bullets behave like touhou but the window is like len'en

>>16927758
That explains it, then. I hate this. I know the PoC is supposed to keep you from sticking to the bottom screen but so many enemies come fast and without warning that I don't ever go near there because I die doing so almost 100% of the time.
Should I be trying to time out the nonspells for graze, since it's apparently important? I don't ever play for score in Touhou but apparently it's necessary if I want lives here. Do you have a rough marker for how many points I should be earning on each stage, so I can know if my routes are sound enough or whether I need to do even more things that will probably kill me for the sake of boosting my score?

>>16927785
extends are for 10, 20, 30, 50 and 100m. try to time them out, but i don't recommend it. you'll just get tired.
you should have more than 3m after stage 1. try to perfect it or waste one bomb.
have two or three bombs for the second-to-last spell of the stage 2. that should give you lots of points. try to perfect it or waste a bomb in the midboss
mid-boss in stage three gives you a life. bomb the second spellcard (the screen-wide circle) and graze madly the second-to-last spell. a tip for the card before that one is to not be too much in the center. alternate between right and left. try to perfect it or waste one bomb in the final spell.
>after that, depending on difficulty (because lately i've just been trying unreal), you should have more than 50m. try to survive with that.
in stage 4, the stage and midboss are easily doable. be careful with any spell of the boss
first half of stage 5 is doable, after midboss be sure to be on the right-most side of the screen and down. enemies will go past you. follow them and just as they finish, left-most and repeat. repeat it until it's over. after that there's a break in the center, then it's bullshit until the end.
easy, easy-easy, careful-careful, hard if you weren't careful, easy non-spell (beware of backshots), beware of spellcard, then boss. careful, easy, careful, easy (stay near, not on, the bottom, you'll see why), careful (follow the red circle), careful, easy, hard, three stages (careful->hard->bullshit)

hope this wall of text helps

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>>16927866
I can definitely say I'm already tired from timing out nonspells.
These are my best scores so far for Stage 1 and 2. Stage 2 was done in practice mode, and I only grazed the first nonspell. I also bombed the final card once because I really fucking hate that card, though I didn't bomb any cards beyond that and bombing the second-to-last card thrice for points. Am I on the right path so far?

>>16886081
No. Stop. Just stop. Lenen canon in Len'en and Touhou Canon in Touhou.

I hate when you autists do this.

>>16926757
Thanks.

If there's any appropriate criticism I would make of JynX, it's that I'm of the understanding he goes through the process of making games really hurriedly. He was pretty sick after len'en 4's production exhausted him, if I recall. I think it would benefit the quality of his games as well as his well-being not to rush through these things.

>>16927967
Feels good not being this jaded.

>>16927933
Yeah, it's fine. That's a pretty good score. Try to graze a lot in stage 3, so you'll get the 30m and maybe the 50m extend. And try to not bomb, even if you hate it. Believe me, you're gonna need those bombs for the last half.

Personally I enjoy the Len'en games. The music is pretty good (not Touhou level good) and they're fairly challenging, albeit with some rather bland stage design as a whole. I do enjoy the flash bomb mechanic as well. JynX is still fairly new to this rodeo so I expect him to get better with time.

It does seem to get a lot of flack here, but then again, I suspect 75-95% of the 2hu 'fans' here are secondaries that aren't actually shmup players and care more about collecting cute images than actually playing the games in the first place.


>>16912377
I've beaten her on regular Extra. For whatever reason, I found Le02's Extra to be harder even without the hidden boss- less resources, maybe? I have no intention of making a serious attempt at Absurd on either one, though.

>>16927933
>>16928261
Oh, and to add, try to watch this, where I completely screw up my own advices. There's also some dialogue and spell corrections to avoid the out-of-screen thing in some parts.
https://mega.nz/#!4Vh0QYLJ!n__d3oP5DRYaup-yzyCzc3D5kqWq9i6t39S1gZCglWg

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What genders are these characters?

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>>16927334
Probably on the next BPoHC update, supposedly after this Touhou fangame I assume. The replay system was heavily affected by the very big bug that plagues the game itself, so we don't even know if the game's going to get new content besides the new team and last upgrade character on the upgrade screen. Cheat Engine shows it's Suzumi's shot-type on all 3 slots, so she's probably going to be playable or something similar.

>>16928881
Renko
REtard Koishi on rollerblades
???

>>16928881
Kimeemaru, retard, 2swag4u

First 1cc on EMS. Also, first time fighting the sword. Fuck that screen flash.
https://mega.nz/#!lVwnRIRZ!-3mz3KU4N-C2gACirGn28qy3PvuQxZ3QQEkBO1_MGBQ

>>16928881
>high heels
DEATH PENALTY

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>>16928881
Lord ZUN-sama says those characters were a mistake.

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Posting more progress, this is my best stage 3 run so far scorewise, though I die four times in the process (only two deaths were related to grazing, once on "Ink and Silver" and once on "Monochrome Ray" and the latter was easily avoidable if I wasn't being too greedy). I think I definitely would've surpassed 30M if it was a No Miss run. I don't think I'm doing a good enough job at getting point items though, since I always miss a lot and end up just shy of a 13x multiplayer because of it. If I can clean up my strategies to not die so fucking much, then does a 30M run, combined with 20M on Stage 2 (current record is 24M but I'm being conservative since I grazed a lot during that run and probably wouldn't in a real run) and 3.9M on Stage 1 seem like a good start for getting all the extra lives possible?

>>16933541
Maybe. Stage 2 has a lot of bomb potential. Bombing in Len'en 1-3 is the meta. You find spells that are too hard or that yield lots of points and bomb spam them. Aoji's perfect for that sort of thing.

>>16933541
>Ink and Silver
>grazing
Why would you do that? At least in my case, I'm normally to busy with the white knives to graze the black ones.

>screen the same color as bullets
Well, fuck you too, JynX.
https://mega.nz/#!IABQAJqS!6Xx3lQ4dPcLXHBrfSTCZ1GPxlMkCAh3KxDZs4glzz1M

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>>16935283
Is Tsurubami the hardest Len'en Ex Boss then?

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>>16935385
Not at all. And if we're talking ABEX, Xeno A is the hardest one for sure.

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>>16935406
Len'ens are HOTTER than 2hus. Post more Len'ens with swimsuits plz!

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>>16935385
She's the cheapest boss in all of Len'en that's for damn sure (I understand it's his first game, but god damn did JynX fuck up the balance of that game). Toughest would probably be Tenkai or Xeno a.

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>>16935661
Someone in the Len'en Discord had a bunch of them, but I don't unfortunately.

>>16935674
I don't know, some spells are almost impossible if you don't know how to beat them previously. Game Over from Tsubakura comes to mind. And Shou's last spell is almost impossible and it's a stage 2 boss...

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>>16935691
True, but I was just talking Extra bosses, though Shou especially probably takes the cake for toughest Stage 2 boss even if you know the trick to that spell (even if everything before it is piss easy).

Though that tends to be an ongoing theme with JynX. You pretty much need to know what you're getting into cause almost all the time a spell'll look like a nightmare at first, but have some trick to it that makes it ungodly easy.

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>>16935762
Ah, fair enough. Personally, Shou is only 2nd to Kujiru, since no trick in the world can save you from curvy-homing lasers...

As for Extra bosses, I'd still argue that Tsuru has a few spells that can be cheap, but Xeno A is Cheap - The boss. Almost all attacks are dependent on RNG to a point where it's just plain unfair. JynX really struggles with balancing and he knows this, so hopefully he'll get better as time passes.

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>>16935674
>>16935691
>>16935762
>>16935793
Thank you guys! If you get more make sure to post it here, I need more for my collection.

The character gimmicks in Len'en (design and danmaku-wise) are quite boring. That's why I can't get behind it and think it's overrated.

>>16935793
How does that roulette spell at the end even work?
And how do you dodge those playing cards?

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>>16937318
If you're talking about the Square Roulette, you just need to stay inside the squares and dodge the bullets, the result will always be the current square you're in. The playing cards are always shot with a pattern, the result of the cards is random from 1 to 9 and each of them has a different result, most are aimed.

>>16937359
Thanks.
One time I had the roulette square land on a different one than the one i was in, but I don't know how I did that.

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>>16937367
Probably luck. You can also flashbomb your way into another square, which is great for the last phase.

>>16936347
>overrated
Doesn't it need people thinking it's GOAT to begin with?

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>>16936347
"Overrated"? Buddy, Len'en isn't even "highly" rated. JynX shows promise and is clearly improving over the years, but still isn't "that" good. Best thing I can really say is he's better than any other Touhou inspired series that create a new world for scratch, but even but Touhou fangame standards he hasn't surpassed that bar.

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>>16936347
While stage design is boring, the rest is taste.
Also, I don't think the biggest fans consider it better than Touhou even.

>>16937447
This is SO HOT! HOW LONG I NEED TO WAIT FOR THE FIRST LEN'EN HENTAI MANGA!? MY DICK IS DESPERATE!!!

>>16937695
>not already worshipping >>16937624
Pleb.

>>16937624
I never knew a barrier builder could be this sexual.

Huh, it seems like the "Ze and Hir"s finally got removed from the wiki.

>>16938386
Was the wiki written by one of those hyper progressive 15 year olds?

>>16938395
I wouldn't be surprised if it was written by some white underage west coast kid who never played the games.

Why do these faggots have to pollute everything I like?

>>16938419
Because you're too antisocial to create and maintain a wiki.

>>16938419
Tumblr is why.

>>16938429
>antisocial
I don't know what it has to do with maintaining a wiki.

>>16938438
Tumblr is only the tip of the iceberg famalam.

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>>16938386
Some people took the wiki from the tumblrtards and replaced it with "They". It's odd, but acceptable.

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>>16939053
>Some people took the wiki from the tumblrtards and replaced it with "They".
Knowing Tumblr, they definitely threw a shitfit right?

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>>16939492
From what I heard, yes, on Twitter. Nobody with a brain gave a fuck, and people like them are seen as a danger to the fandom, so they outright ban those people.

>>16939053
>>16939791
>Len'en ecchi
Just a bit more guys and we'll have our first hentai manga about our favorite girls from the Len'en cast and their fuck stories.
2hu? ZUN? Raymoo? Aren't they dead already?

>>16940704
There's already porn though, just no porn Doujinshi yet. I doubt Len'en will get that big soon, but it'll eventually happen.

>>16940759
>No porn doujinshi yet.
What, really, after this long? Honestly, I not into doujinshi porn, but damn, it's the mark of a "simple" popular.
Seriously, if the creator more open about character gender and the artists can actually do their job and preaching.
I actually like Len en because it's art look like touhou-98.

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>>16940828
JynX did have a lot of PC-98 inspiration, since he remade all Final and Extra stage bosses, so that might be the reason for it. As for gender thing, I don't think JynX can be more open about it. "I'll leave it to your imagination~" is a bit hard to beat I think...
Also, he apparently posted a test animation for one of his next games.

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>>16940889
Real animation in the Len'en games? Wow, JynX is really doing his best for the games, he isn't as lazy as certain drunkman.

>>16940828
Calm your tits, it hasn't even been 4 years since the first game.

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>>16941046
https://twitter.com/mugen_Jinx/status/858418614394732544
Apparently he did it while he was drunk.

>>16940828
>>16941155 Is right though. I'm surprised it's this famous at this point...

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I'm confused about Yabusame's name...
Their surname is "Houren" or "Houlen"?

>>16940828
It's my chance for being the first hentai artist for Len'en Project!

>>16941365
i go with houren. houlen sounds dumb and unnatural and was obviously added by the english fanbase.

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>>16941365
Houlen. Houren was a mistake on JynX's part, and he's gonna fix it in the next patches for all his previous games. Since Len'en is the fusion of Tsubakura ENraku and Yabusame HouLEN.

>>16941505
Poor Jinbei, having to deal with a retard and a prodigy.

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>>16943792
Yeah... Jinbei doesn't have it easy, though plotting to screw with the protags makes up for it I guess.

>>16944007
>You did come here after receiving my "provocation," didn't you?
>Proh-vuh-cay-shun? A vacation for professionals?
>Proh-vuh-cay-shun? A vacation for professionals?
>Provocation? ...Got no idea. What are you talking about?
>...I see. That blasted shikigami... They must've kept quiet about it on purpose.
>What do you mean?
>You've got a lot of nerve, Jinbei, sending the priests out to me without telling them anything...
>Seems like little Professor Shikigami mucked something up... Maybe they gave us some support?
>In that case, though, the most harm... or rather, the only harm would fall on you three here.
>That little bastard!
>They flipped things around on us with super rotary-coil speed!
>Well, it seems like Jinbei is as harsh on the head priests as ever, then.
I wonder if Jinbei's job is to make sure the priest doesn't get too overconfident.

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>>16944093
Seeing how Tsuba hasn't used her ability she got prior to coming to Mugenri once, aka "Looking forward to having fun.", which apparently is really strong, then that's not working out very well for Jinbei.

Benefits of being a small series :
-Much of the art is quality art since it's niche
The bad side :
-Much is a relative term, there's little art and the rest is QUALITY

Agreed ?

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It's amazing how appealing his 2hu art looks compared to his original characters.
Makes me wonder rather he just got the proportions right in this one or if it's a design issue with his stuff.

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>>16945130
Weird opinion, though all I can say is that his art clearly looks better than ZUN's early stuff, for sure, with only SA onward-tier being close.

>>16945161
It's just a phase, his art is still improving, but his style is slowly setting in, like in this picture for instance >>16926782.

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>>16945192
I suppose my issue with it is how the eyes are always somewhat flat and large on the X axis. That coupled with the huge homogenous hair and samefacing makes for a weird style. I guess I'm too used to ZUN's rounder eyes.

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>>16945253
I get what you mean. JynX has a long way to go, but he's improving a lot, give him time I guess. Besides, so far it's been enjoyable despite the game's flaws.

>>16945438
Salami is cute. CUTE!

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>>16945762
Indeed, too bad she gets treated poorly every single day of her life.

>>16945841
Saragimaru is incestuous.

>>16946089
Can the love of an eye to an arm be considered incestuous?

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>>16946089
>>16946126
I can't blame her, her sister's great.

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>>16946135
IKR, They look cute together.

HEEELP!!! I SUCK AT EMS!!!

>>16946578
NEWSFLASH!!! ME TOO!!!
That said, where are you having troubles?

>>16946770
When the enemies in the screen shoot bullets.

I love the amount of youkai-likeness in the designs

>>16947024
I think the only youkai-like youkai was Mitsumo. Y'know, Terumi n' stuff.

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>>16946578
>>16946770
EMS is very hard, and out of the 3 first games, it's the hardest one. Knowing routes for everything is a must and the first stage can be fucked up for everyone. Check a good replay and memorize it, like Jaimer's for instance.

>>16947024
>>16947421
Some characters really look out of place for human standards. Chouki, the Adagumo sisters, Sese... All of them look youkai-ish for me.

>>16948807
Ah, I see. Well, you're right on that. Touhou doesn't have many like that, I think, except EXKeine, Yoshika and Tojiko.

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>>16950941
Alongside DDC's first 3 bosses, the rest people get confused or surprised when they find out someone was a youkai all along. Len'en youkai's tend to have something that pops out, whether they like it or not.

>>16950941
>>16951086
What about Suika, Utsuho, Reisen, Tewi, Ran and Remilia.

>>16951145
>Remilia
Fair point, I forgot about her and her sister.
>Suika
What other physical trait she has of an oni except the horns?
>Utsuho
Dunno if she's the same as Aya who can hide her wings, but I concede.
>Reisen
Ah, you mean the medicine seller of the human village?
>Tewi
The well-known "scammer", you say?
>Ran
Yeah, I forgot about her too. Strange.

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>>16951184
>>16951145
And even then, most of those characters don't interact with humans in order to be seen as youkai. I think the only 2 Len'en youkai's that can go around without having troubles is Sukune who has no real youkai-like feature and Yaorochi who can resize her tails at will.

>>16951351
Well, that's only on the subject of being recognized as youkai. Has Word of God stated that humans also fear youkai in Mugenri? I only remember Jinbei saying that mostly anyone can cause an incident.

>>16951951
As far as I know, no clue. We don't know if youkai need people to fear them, but seeing some people's reaction to them might be enough. Yago, being the God of weapons, said there's a lot of youkai who are stronger than Gods themselves. Seeing how absolutely horrifying spell card rules are in Mugenri, the thought of fighting someone like that is rather... Terrifying to say the least.

>>16869339
Half a month later, I'm so close to making it to Suzumi for an Insta-death LV0 Normal 1cc. Any recommendation as of what team should I use? I'm trying with Shion-Tsuba-Yabu since it trivializes the stage parts and Tsuba's bomb is enough in case I'm in a pinch.

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>>16956423
Team B seems to have the most survival options. Iyo and Tsugumi wreck stages, while Fumi has the armor mode flashbomb. I can't really tell you which team is best, but the Shitodo's are surely the worse. Their deathbomb windows are very very small unless you're using Aoji as a sub, which has a lot of bombs, but then requires you to get really good with either Hooaka or Kuroji... Not good.

>>16956423
I can get the furthest into AbEx with Tenkai and Sese.

>emperor team
>stage 5
>three lives, somehow made it
>fucking random movement gauge every two tiles
>mitsumo
>end up against shion
Fuck.

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>>16961139
Welcome to random bullshit - the game, where RNG isn't limited to boss patterns. Enjoy your stay~

Len'en Project = Pirate 2hu

I hate this game, it's so hard and I can't beat at normal mode and when I'm playing at easy mode I need to use fucking continues!!!
The difficulty of this fucking useless 2hu rip-off gave me depression and now I have low self esteem...

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>>16964700
Don't get discouraged, this series is a lot harder than most Touhou's on a level design perspective. It also suffers from balancing issues, so I suggest checking replays or even just play Len'en 4 with a ton of upgrades, since those at least make the game funner for people with low skill-cap.

>>16966177
Not him, but I think it's better when you figure out a game first without watching replays. I somehow managed to survive two of the five Kaguya Impossible Requests in IN the first time I encountered them and it was a great feeling.

>>16964700
Get a Girlfriend,LOSER!

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>>16969799
While I agree, some people prefer replays to actually complete the games after they try it for a while. To each their own I guess.

Almost there. I'm finally reaching stage 5 without losing too much lives. Also, seems like this thread is a month old. Guess there's a bit of love for Len'en too.

>Can't deathbomb while unfocused
A+ game design

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>>16974369
I'm just surprised people don't hate it to death around here. Good luck with beating the game.

>>16974553
You can. The moment you get hit you press X and that's about it, though as you bomb, your character focus by default for the duration of it. You can't regular bomb while unfocused UNLESS you choose to do so in the options menu.The only real exception is the 4th game, if you have barriers, you cannot deathbomb, however to compensate, if you deathbomb while not having barriers it'll save you AND replenish your HP fully, meaning on Unreal without upgrades you can always get hit 2 twice and, if you deathbomb, you can get hit an additional 2 times.

>>16974369
Don't worry tomorrow is Reitasai and everyone will be playing Touhou 15.5 and 16 demo and Len'en will be forgotten.

>>16976757
Yabusame and Tsubakura will be DLC for AoCF

So, to summarize:
>HSiFS has flashbombing
Nice.
>Lunatic is easier
Bad.
>Aya is now Marisa
Play it and you'll see why.
>Marisa's face
[HECATIA CRYING IN THE DISTANCE]

Flash bombs in Th16.
To be perfectly honest, I'm kinda bitter at this point.

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>>16979498
>>16980190
You have to wonder if ZUN now knows of Len'en or not, regardless of how similar the mechanics are or not.

>>16981440
Defenitely. The Sakuya Kuroji spellcard can't be called a mere coincidence.

>>16981652
Sakuya has this exact move since the fighting games. It's just its translation into danmaku.

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Since Aya is playable in 2hu, will Hibaru be playable in lennon?

>>16986980
What does Hibaru have to do with the newspaper slut?

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>>16987110
I guess >>16983794 thinks Hibaru is like an expy of Aya, which isn't a lie, but seeing how Hibaru has had pretty much little involvement in anything so far, I wouldn't be surprised when they do become playable.

>>16988927
I meant >>16986980.

>>16988927
So every Len'en is a rip off of any 2hu?

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>>16989176
Rather only have small elements that can be linked to certain characters in completely different ways. And not all of them have this. Not to mention, JynX did say his series is to pay a homage to Touhou itself, so this sort of thing isn't surprising whatsoever. It's as close to rip-off as a reference can get.

>>16987110
he looks like her

>>16992154
How?

>>16992540
Is it not obvious?

>>16835389
Somehow the new doujin king will not be a Danmaku game btw.

Is it a good idea to recreate Len'en's soundtrack, except getting the mixing correct this time? I have the equipment, like an SD-90 and lots of VSTs etc

>>16817800
is this some Touhou fangame? Looks dull.

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>>16993592
All you need is an SD-90 and SC-88pro or 8820 and you should be done. Good Luck.

>>16993696
Close but no cigar. It's not for everyone either. I guess Len'en's a series to enjoy when Touhou gets into dry territory. Usually when demos are overplayed or games are taking too long to be released.

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I'm tired, fuck this. Suzumi is too hard, even on normal.

>>16997932
I haven't played BPoHC yet because a lot of 2hufags say it's shit. Which characters are playable?

>>16998056
everyone in the op photo

>>16998056
It's confusing at the beginning, normal when you discover how to upgrade, then a bit dissapointing when you discover the game is broken with enough upgrades. But the danmaku (apart from ABEX and some Unreal ones) are possible and quite fun (and also quite stressing. Yes, I'm looking at you, informant).

>>16997932
Her survival is bullshit in any difficulty. Things to know is that her giant waving thing has no hitbox. It's there to hide bullets further. Bottom corners after the first phase are the best place to dodge. Good luck.

>>16998098
The upgrades break the game on purpose. They're made to make the game more enjoyable to casuals. If you are skilled enough, you play with very few or no upgrades at all, making it more challenging. Of course, the total upgrade level is kinda misleading, so it represents nothing. ABEX and Unreal are pretty much impossible, but there's a star for those clears, so who knows... Some ABEX spells are possible, like Yago's last, but some just flood the screen with bullets and kill you, like any multiple dice spell from Xeno A.

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Fuck yes. Finally a no upgrade clear.

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>>17000216
Congrats anon!

>>17000229
What is kimeemaru doing in len'en?

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>>17000216
Good Job anon, have fun on the extra stage!

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>bump limit
aw
it was fun, see you guys on the flipside

How utterly "strange" to see that a Len'en thread got this far on /jp/. Perchance 'tis a "sign" of times to come.
Okay, though, seriously now. I'm not OP, but I never thought this thread would manage to reach bump limit.

This thread will reborn soon...
BE AFRAID 2HUFAGS. YOUR REALM WILL DIE SOON!

>>17002476
m8, len'en still has a lot of things to do. It has potential, I'll give you that.

>>17002503
Len'en is currently like the 2hu PC-98 era. I think in a few games later it will get better and the fan-base will grow!

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>>17002589
Maybe. Still, I'm warmly waiting for >>16926782

>>17002634
I only want HRtP OST remade with JynX music style.

>>17002897
I'm quite content with the remake ZUN made in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ThIAMywETg
But it would be nice hearing it with JynX touch.

>>17002905
Did ZUN make arranges of all of the songs from HRtP? I'd like to listen to a remake of Konngara's theme.

>>17002963
Doesn't seem so. Seems like he only made arranges for the ending and some stage themes.

>>17002987
Np. I still can enjoy this beautiful arrange of Eternal Shrine Maiden. Is one of the best songs in the whole Touhou Project series in my opinion.

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It's been good, fellas. See you next time. Good luck with your 1ccs.

>>17003389
Is Yaorochi ok with this?

>>17006774
Probably, considering she doesn't know Salamimaru exists.

>>17007171
Do you think Kuroji will be a good husband?

>>17007284
We can only hope.

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cake hat

>>17012500
Sometimes Len'en hats are weirder than 2hu hats. Is that good or bad?

>>17012500
What's next? a penis hat?

>>17012588
probably good

C´mon people! Let's make this thread bigger and make it as popular as Touhou "ZUN's Land of Drunk Fantasies" Project. We can do it!

>>17013125
kinda hard to do that when it's past bump limit and on page 10

>>17013257
SPAM LEN'ENS THEN!!!

ignore me