Umineko Seacats

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beato

>>16513708
This song always comes to mind when I think about that scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJS_JvRaAfw

It's probably not everyone's cup of tea but I wished the guy did more Umineko remixes

>>16513708
One of the few scenes to make me cry.

I really wonder how the upcoming WTC will be. Umineko is such a big part of me now, I wonder if anything will come close. The characters, setting, mysteries all play a big part in what makes Umineko so special to me. If anyone can do it, it's Ryukishi, but after Umineko he's got big shoes to fill.

>>16513708
Ryukishi really nails the imouto dependency.

>>16513786
I just want him to write something good.

>>16513701
Where can I get those stockings Erika's wearing? You know, just for my collection. I'd never wear them or anything.

>>16513899
They never existed nor will ever exist.
Just like Erika.

>>16513892
Translation never anyway

Have you read Umineko episode W, guys?

>>16513962
>episode W
I've never even heard of this. What is it?

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>>16513911
Dame da... ZEN ZEN DAME DA!!!!
/BLUE/ While Erika might not have existed in the first place, the clothes she was offered by Natsuhi were definitely Jessica's older clothes that she no longer used. The stockings can exist even if Erika doesn't!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqrTHd49aJ0

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He is the best character.

>>16514045
WOOH

>>16514045
He's up there and probably has the best VA.

I can't believe all around how good the PS3 seiyuus were. Kinzo and Beato especially were very well done.

Factoid: Beato's VA was also the JP voice of Lelouche from Geass

>>16514065
What? Lelouche was voiced by a woman?

>>16514065
>>16514073
Ok, did a quick Google search. Beato's VA did Lelouch as a child. Not actual Lelouch.
Jeez, don't make me freak out like that.

>>16514076
I take that back then, I was mistaken

>>16513882
Seems helpful, thanks m8

Last thoughts before arc 6

-Still feels unsolvable after Meakashi since nobody but Shion really has a motive to murder the entire village

-Takano mostly likely killed Tomitake and faked her death every route. Definitely a baddie but again I have no idea how it ties in to everything. Irie also bad but wouldn't ice the village since he's a lolicon.

-Onikakushi throat scratch syringe exists but K scratches his throat out without being drugged (to my knowledge)

-Satoshi went nuts the year before same as K and Shion in other routes. Had to have been "demoned away" against his will since if he just scratched his throat out the corpse would've been found and if he survived the crazy he would've contacted Satoko. If it wasn't the Sonozakis, as Mion said,then whoever did it must be the culprit seeking to propagate the curse.

-Why deliberately kill Rika-chama the assassin nipah every time? It works from the "propagate the curse" angle but seems silly since everyone's going to die anyway.

>>16514089
I forgive you, anon.

>>16514109
>-Satoshi went nuts the year before same as K and Shion in other routes. Had to have been "demoned away" against his will since if he just scratched his throat out the corpse would've been found and if he survived the crazy he would've contacted Satoko. If it wasn't the Sonozakis, as Mion said,then whoever did it must be the culprit seeking to propagate the curse.
You are basically not wrong

>-Why deliberately kill Rika-chama the assassin nipah every time? It works from the "propagate the curse" angle but seems silly since everyone's going to die anyway.
Some people will say the truth is an asspull but, when you find out, it actually makes some sense

Tsumihoroboshi is Higurashi at its finest and I hope you enjoy it.

>>16514045

Tiny propanes

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>>16513911
>>16513899
The outfit already existed.

>>16514215
But anon, I only just masturbated.

>>16514215
Seriously though, where can I buy this?
For my collection.

>>16514314
You're really obsessed with your collection anon. Are you sure that's all there is to it?

>>16514356
I just like collecting provocative female clothing. Nothing weird about that. It's not like I wear expensive stockings and model them in front of my mirror like some of those weirdos do.

>>16514356
Don't you think having a girl wear those provocative clothing would be good? To have a girl chained to your wardrobe, wearing all your erotic collection repeatedly in front of you?

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;__________;

>>16514376
I'd much rather have a girl wear my clothes while I dress up in stockings and dresses. And I'd want her to ridicule me. Step on my privates.

Anyway, let's get back on topic or something.
Do you think Gohda deliberately took Maria's rose just to spite her?

>>16514400
Alright there anon...
Anyway no I think that it was an accident, it stood out so he took it.

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>>16514424
Bitch I do whatever the fuck I want

>>16514400
I don't think he knew it was her rose

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If we assume meme's are magic, then since meme's exists, so does magic.
Magic exists. QED.

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>>16513708
Ange's suffering brings me joy

>>16514109
I'll tell you this, you probably can't guess the whydunnit until the game tells you whodunnit, unless I'm forgetting a hint.

>>16514638
Yes, but did memes exist in the Rokkenjima of 1986?

>>16514792
[Blue] They did not, at least not in the way we have them now. So that means that it's possible magic wasn't real on rokkenjima, as memes didn't exist!

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>>16514792
Depends, does this count as a meme?

>>16514839
Dank Ryukishi, very dank.

>>16514109
>-Why deliberately kill Rika-chama the assassin nipah every time?
Because purupurupikopuyo

I tried playing Higanbana, but the game crashes as soon as I click on Attend. Anyone know what I did wrong here?

>>16515961
Happened to me when I botched installation
The folder with translated stuff should be inside your game folder, it shouldn't be replacing anything

>>16513708
My favorite part of this is how a few hours later you start Ep 5 and Battler completely forgets about Ange and starts sucking Beato's dick

>>16514790
Because the cast is so small the who is pretty obvious at this point. Meakashi at the very least paints the three families as superstitious rednecks who couldn't kill one chick with a tazer.

Takano, Irie, Tomitake, unless he's a retard who exists only to die, are the culprits. The why and how and all the rest is still a total puzzle.

>>16516006
Ah, thanks anon. Guess I'm jumping in, very interested in how I'll like it.

More Hotarubi when?

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Pants on head Erika

>>16516139
What I mean is, the game doesn't even hint at the whydunnit until the culprit is revealed.

All the seacats are now of non-Japanese descent, which countries are individual seacats from?

>>16517672
Lambda is American, in fact she always was.

>>16517672
Eva as Chinese is an obvious one.
I think Erika would be English, she'd love to be anyway. Home of the classic detective and all that.
Gohda could be Dutch? This is simply because Gohda sounds like Gouda which is a famous Dutch cheese.

And for no reason at all, I'd love Battler to be Scottish.

Which Umineko character are you most like as a person?
I'm ashamed to say I'm fairly similar to George. Ambitious but beta. Would probably hide letters in order to get my own way. Could lose a few pounds. Wears glasses.

>Alliance of the Golden Witch
>Battler says without restraint he's tired of the games and calls it a sham to Beato's face, just wants to leave
>End of the Golden Witch
>Battler now treats the gameboard as something to be respected and can't stand Lambdadelta as a Game Master, won't leave coma-Beato's side
Am I missing something? Was he just really that emotionally moved in the Alliance Tea Party?

>>16518711
EVA-Beatrice.

>>16518711
Bernkastel.

>>16518711
Rosa, I'm dishonest and selfish but in a crisis I'd be the last one to survive and fight to the absolute last minute.

>>16518711
Kinzo

>>16518711
Battler. Weirdo who's way too energetic and kind of an idiot when it comes to piecing together basic logic.

>>16518711
Underhandedness from George
Inferiority complex and love for mysteries from Erika

>>16518711
Intelligent, nihilistic, with a wicked sense of humor. Kyrie, I guess?

>>16518762
I'm not sure, curious about that myself.

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>>16518711
Early story Ange. Her separation from life, viewing things (like Maria's magic) as pathetic, and distrust of others hit really close to home. Same with her lack of self-worth.
Seeing her development at the end of the story really warms my heart. Her success and closure gives me hope that I can improve and learn to see things with love, too.

>>16513701
>Spending a relaxing winter night inside a cozy mansion's bedroom with Erika. Occasionally staring at a fireplace while resting on a comfy bed, snuggled up in warm blankets and sheets, and having some hot cocoa and cookies prepared in a tray placed on a nearyby small table. Books all over the place, even one in the bed which she was recently reading. Clock almost marking midnight. Treating each other as if this was your first and last night together in years. Almost no words needed, instead enjoying the silence and understanding each other in the purest way. Creating together a private moment that you'll treasure forever in your souls, but that you will prefer not to ever talk about, since this is the only form of magic that she'll allow in her heart and wants to protect it from the outside world at all cost.

>>16519930
i dunno but if there's one thing i'm enjoying about End so far it's more lambdo screentime

>>16518762
Well, he kinda just killed someone. So there's that.

>>16520049
>>16520049
I guess Battler isn't a murderer at heart. But he's supposed to hate her for his family and Ange's sake even if there's a romance between them.

Taking this change in demeanor into account among other things, I wouldn't call Battler a good person. By all means he's the main character of the story but it would be wrong to say he's a "hero" or even of a moral fiber; in fact he's very fickle and dishonest with himself about his emotions.

There's a lot in Episodes 2 and 3 that reveal, even with all of the anger he displays at the murders, he's having a very good time with Beato and even enjoying the mysteries. If you think about how he abandoned his father after his remarriage, it's kind of the same personality traits he's displaying by choosing to elongate the game for Beato's sake, and makes him pretty selfish. It's not a bad thing; I think this allows him to be a more interesting main character than, say, Keichii, who became entirely two dimensional in the Higurashi answer arcs. By Episode 5 Battler's motivations are to save his family and return to Ange, but really he doesn't know what he wants and is content to drift about at the whims of others.

Actually I think Battler's change in demeanor towards Beato, and this whole bit of dissonance, was due to Ryukishi's editor's passing at that time but I'm thinking exclusively within the story.

>>16520087
He's just overly emotional in general. He can't help but get swept up in the moment.

Honestly, I'd say that Battler is the protagonist, but Beatrice is the main character of Umineko.

Also, I think BT died shortly after Episode 5.

>>16520114
It would be wrong of me to say that Battler can't be sympathetic towards Beato because Ange's entire involvement and death is actually Bern's fault, isn't it?

I never really read Ep 8 when it came out but I can piece together now why she's the antagonist here. Ange wouldn't have died if Bern never had brought her there.

>>16520149
Bern's done more than just that to fuck with Ange.

>been reading Umineko over the past two weeks
>enjoyed episodes 1-6 immensely
>find episode 7 a chore to read
>reluctant to even start episode 8
Chiru really loses its momentum after the shkanontrice reveal.

>>16520170
You're a fast as fuck reader

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>>16520170
You could try reading the manga version of 8.

>>16520180
I can afford to dedicate 10 hours to reading every day thanks to my neet lifestyle.
>>16520184
Does it actually improve or add anything or is it just a digest of the VN?

>>16520202
It adds new scenes and is done very well.

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reading higu was worth it

>>16520224
Ryukishi really loves referencing his prior works doesn't he?

>>16520202
>>16520214
You'll at least want to read the Confession of the Golden Witch chapters regardless, which are manga exclusive and go into more detail about Yasu's life leading up to the murders.

>>16520226
Interpreting the entire WTC canon, Bernkastel should have full memory of the Hinamizawa gameboard shouldn't she? I love consistencies like that.

>>16520236
Yep, and so should Lambda.

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>>16520184
FUCK NO
or at least skip chapter whatever-the-fuck

>>16520214
>done very well.

>>16520293
Battler's fucking yaoi hands

the manga artwork can range between strikingly good or outright bizarre

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>>16520293
Look, I get that you dislike what they did with that, and that's fine. But that's likely something Ryukishi decided himself. The manga is still REALLY well done for the most part.

>>16520309
If we are talking about manga artworks' quality, then Episode 6 has the best one. Don't know why they chose to give that one great artwork, but whatever, more cute Erika images for my collection.

>>16520324
Marfan manga

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>>16520324
To bad 6 got the worst translators.

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>>16520346
based erika though

>>16520327
marfan manga?

>>16520399
In some panels of the manga it looks like character's have Marfan's Syndrome.

>>16520366
Is an example of when the art is actually very good, though.

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>>16520366
I just appreciate that they got her figure right. Even if her normal clothes don't show it, Erika should not be flat.

>>16520408
Too bad Beato and Battler ended up shooting that pair of beautiful boobs. To make matters worse, her corpse ends up turning into petals, wasting such a fine body.

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>>16520425
I love Erika's body type. Petite yet curvy is great.

>>16520439
i seriously just wanna lock lips with erika

>>16520439
Imagine you try to shoot and fill her up with your "gun", but as soon as she climaxes, her petite curvy body breaks up in your hands into flower petals.

>>16520456
That gives me an idea. Imagine doing it with Beato, but the second you're about to finish she turns into gold butterflies and leaves you shooting into empty air. Then she reappears to cackle at you.

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>>16520452
Would you marry her?

>>16520465
>>16520456
Just like, what if you were doing it with Virgilia, right? And then when you're about to finish, she turns into a mackerel. And then you just stand there with your dick stuck inside a fish.

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Explain this.

>>16520474
mahou

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>>16520472
>Do it with Bernkastel, she turns into a bear trap.

>>16520472
>>16520465
At least Virgilia and Beato can go back into their human shapes willingly. Don't think that Erika can do that. Maybe if you gather up her petals you could reassemble her body, but you would need to know to which of her body parts each petal belongs (this one for her lips, this one was a nipple).

Now I wonder what they did to her petals after Battler and Beato shoot her?

>>16520482
Spread them across their bed on the night of their honeymoon, just to add insult to injury as they consummate their relationship on her remains.

>>16520480
But Erika's a Witch of Truth! She wouldn't use such trickery!

>>16520489
I can see Beatrice doing that, but not Battler. But then again, he doesn't need to know that, so Beato wouldn't tell him about Erika, just like the fact she is actually a man.

>>16520499
First, Battler would already know the truth about Beatrice at that point. Second, they got married in the meta-world, where she's actually female.

But yeah, I could totally see her doing something like that to get back at Erika.

>>16520499
>>16520515
I just got spoiled to shit

>>16520425
Just imagine all the good uses those tits could have had.

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>>16520515
>>16520525
Oh, my poor waifu. Stop mistreating Erika, please. I know she is a bitch, but she doesn't deserve that much pain and humilliation. She needs hugs and kissed to repair her broken heart.

beato

>>16520522
Sorry about that. But that fact is easily misinterpreted, so even knowing it won't spoil everything.

>>16520544
This is the sort of story you enjoy more after being spoiled, no real loss

>>16520537
Stacked Bern.

So who is bigger between her and Erikq?

>>16520550
Not really.

>>16520319
Again, fuck the magic ending. I choose trick. Let us stay with Erika to travel to across different fragments solving mysteries. To hell being stuck in a lame Golden Land.

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>>16520537
I want to intimately cuddle with Erika

>>16520550
>>16520557
I wouldn't say you enjoy it MORE, but it definitely has really high replay value since a lot of the stuff takes on a new meaning once you know the truth.

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>>16520553
Erika, if this is anything to go off of.

>>16520563
Which EP was that?

>>16520559
Who doesn't? I have met even female fans that are lesbians for her.

Has anyone here tried this Erika project by Renall? I'll leave you some links. It's pretty entertaining, but unfortuantely it's still in progress.
https://whabroad.wordpress.com/2016/08/16/erika-project-through-act-1-release/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T01GFEC9bGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbHxhWQfc3E

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>>16520553
Bern has big fat cat tats.

>>16520566
It's an extra from the Episode 6 manga, explaining why she showed up in a wetsuit there.

>>16520572
>I have met even female fans that are lesbians for her.
Seriously? That's pretty impressive.

I've seen that thing. I'm a bit interested, but haven't given it a shot yet.

>>16520559
Would you be able to snuggle naked together with Erika without giving in to temptation?

>>16520482
>Now I wonder what they did to her petals after Battler and Beato shoot her?
Somebody obviously keep them safe (Dlanor, maybe?), that's why Bern easily brought her back. Although Bern changing her mind to bother rebuilding Erika's body was probably the hardest part.

>>16520634
Would they even need to use her original remains? I kinda pictured Bern just waving her hand and creating a new Erika out of thin air.

>>16520639
>Would they even need to use her original remains?
Yes, because the text implies she is the same one that was sent into oblivion. She doesn't suffer from amnesia, clearly recalls the evnt of the Episodes she was in, and thanks to her free time she figured out everything to get back at Battler and Beato. Even the epiphany she had before being shot was ultimately used againt Battler and company in Episode 8. Leading an army of many truths to bring them down. Point is, she isn't another Erika.

>>16520646
>Point is, she isn't another Erika.
Sorry, that's not really what I meant when I said a new Erika. I just figured Bern wouldn't need to reuse the remains in order to remake her physical form for her.

>>16520652
Well, to bring summon entities in the meta world, it seems that witches always need some kind of catalyst. Stakes, Sakutarou dolls, bunny figures/guns, a person, and the list goes on. What better catalyst to bring her back than her original remains? Either the petals or her body that drowned would required to make the task easier.

>>16520675
Nah, that's to bring summon - or everything else meta - in the gameboard.

By the rules of the game, everything must have a mystery interpretation. That's why Erika's incarnation in Rokkenjima is within the body of a drowned girl. It is technically possible that the drowned girl could have landed in the island, and such Erika can use that vessel to move around the island.

Meta characters don't need any vessel to move around the metaworld. They just need belief and/or using a higher power then themselves.

>>16520696
I stated that her remains would make the task easier, not that Bern forcefully needs them. The concept of the drowned girl help her to summon Erika in the first place, but it would be a waste not taking advantage of anything connected to the Erika of Episode 6 to bring her back with the memories of her defeat and laerning. Just stating that those petals could be used as a catalyst to ease the process, not that it necessarily happened that way. Don't think that it should be taken that seriously in the end, since the invitation they sent to Erika was stamped with several flgas from who nkow where since it couldn't reach her wherever her soul was thrown to by Bern.

>>16520696
Also, when Lambda's body was destroyed, instead of just giving her another body, Bern took the trouble of sewing together her body parts again. Clearly Lambda and Bern don't like to wast resources. Of course, this was also done in a comical way, like with Erika's invitation.

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>>16520720
That's different. Featherine didn't bring Lambda back to life, she retconned it so that Lambda never died in the first place. She was just split apart and needed to be put back together again.

All these posts made me realize that witches tend to break into different things that represent their motifs.

Beatrice = golden butterflies
Lambdadelta = candies
Erika = rose petals
Bern = cats
Virgilia = mackerels?
Eva Beatrice = ?
Ange = ?
Maria = ?
Featherine = ?

>>16520726
>berns face
She just wants to take it easy

>>16520726
But again, why not just appear out of nowhere a new body for her? Why repaired the damaged one? Although a joke, this suggests that witches have the preference of sticking to their original remains when possible.

>>16520730
I think turning into pages would suit Ange. Given her connections to Maria and Eva's diaries, and the way she ended up becoming an author.

>>16520726
I just pictured Bern collecting all of Erika's petals together into a pile, and sticking them together with duct tape while shaping everything into an Erika-like figure. Ryukishi should have added that scene to Episode 8's manga. This is now my headcanon.

>>16520761
Same could apply to Featherine.

>>16520766
True, but I can't imagine a situation where Featherine would be need to burst apart. Maybe if she ever decides to go full creator, but then I think she'd either just vanish or glitch out of existence.

>>16520730
Eva-Beatrice = either gold dust or red spiders
Ange = pages
Maria = stuffed animals
Featherine = cicadas, seagulls, spider lilies, and roses.

>>16520522
you're a fucking dumbass

>>16520726
wait what
I thought Ange revived her.
Did they retcon that too?

>>16520793
featherine bursts into algae
because she's scum

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Thoughts?

>>16520293
>But that's likely something Ryukishi decided himself.
And that excuses it... how? It's still a shitty retcon that goes "LOL NO THAT'S NOT A BITTERSWEET ENDING THAT'S A PROLOGUE BATTLER DECIDED TO DROWN HIMSELF OVER A STRANGER EPISODE ONE TEA PARTY WHAT'S THAT"

>>16521632
The fuck are you even talking about, Battler that goes down with Beatrice is meta Battler. And technically Battler did die there

>>16521632
Because even if you don't like the direction the story took, that's no reason to treat the manga like it's a bad adaptation when it's not.

And it's STILL a bittersweet ending.

>>16521607
Are you seriously going to treat that like a retcon? It's barely any different. All that's changed is who Featherine says did it.

>>16521622
Most competent detective
Least interesting personality

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>>16521622
A pretty unnecesary character
Zepar and Furfur were the ones who actually handled the questioning

>>16521622
Akasaka 2

>>16521601
:,3c

>>16521632
I think he tried to save her without really thinking. And what do you mean by retcon? Do you mean that any previously unknown facts that shape the story you're unaware of are considered retcon because they aren't as emotionally striking to you? Finding the ending unsatisfying doesn't make what happens an asspull.
How is it a retcon?

>>16521805
Nailed it

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>>16522387
I'd love more pictures like this

I want to be a cute shota sorcerer and travel around with Lambda-nee and Bern-nee.

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>>16522387
Not enough bern/erika on the boorus

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can this get lewder?

>>16522454
Gaap is NOT (I repeat) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOT for sexual

Gaap has a horrible sense of fashion

Was Rosa molested too, or was only Eva the victim of the Nightly Rapings of Krauss™

>>16523104
Krauss played college ball

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It's been about 5 months since TRi's release and there's still no fan translation in the works? Pity.

>>16523181
I don't understand

>>16522592
How? She's like the most sexual seacat there is.

>>16523205
>yaranaika.png

>>16521646
>Battler that goes down with Beatrice is meta Battler.
According to the manga, Meta-Battler didn't exist yet.

>>>16521745
>Are you seriously going to treat that like a retcon? It's barely any different. All that's changed is who Featherine says did it.
>All that's changed is who Featherine says did it.
>All that's changed
>changed
i think you might wanna look up retcon mister anonymous

>>16521699
>Because even if you don't like the direction the story took, that's no reason to treat the manga like it's a bad adaptation when it's not.
Yeah, fair enough, it's just that one chapter. I'm just pissed that the best part of EP8 got ruined.

>>16522365
>I think he tried to save her without really thinking.
https://youtu.be/vL8Y4s4i5n4?t=1m52s
It's pretty clear that he's doing this VERY consciously. And not trying to save her, but to disappear with her. All signs point to this being Meta-Battler but WHOOPSIE DAISY I GUESS NOT
>And what do you mean by retcon? Do you mean that any previously unknown facts that shape the story you're unaware of are considered retcon because they aren't as emotionally striking to you?
No, I mean an alteration in the story that contradicts established or heavily implied facts. Like Meta-Battler abandoning the mortal world to be with his wife. Or Meta-Battler originally being EP1 Battler. Or apparently Ange reviving 34 because she believes in cake-fairies (doesn't really bother me 'cause it was kind of bullshit to begin with, but it's still a retcon.)
>Finding the ending unsatisfying doesn't make what happens an asspull.
No, but an asspull to make an ending less satisfying is bullshit.

>>16523401
By that logic, Erika and Battler's rematch over Episode 5's events, everyone playing hide and seek instead of having a quiz tournament, Black Battler showing up in the Battle for the Golden Land; All these things are retcons.

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>>16523401
>According to the manga, Meta-Battler didn't exist yet.
Isn't this Meta Battler? It clearly isn't real Battler since he took off his jacket earlier, and he survived. Or is it supposed to be Yasu hallucinating or something?

>>16523401
Meta-Battler being just a piece from Episode 1 doesn't make any sense in the context of the story though.

>>16523485
Personally I always thought that moment was supposed to represent Tohya's identity as Battler deciding to stay with Beatrice as his body was washed away.

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>>16521616
I think she's cute.

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>>16523637

>>16523637
How can a cunt be cute?

>>16523687
Because she doesn't usually act like a cunt.

>>16523666
Did they fuk?

>>16523687
Some girls are assholes, especially the cute ones

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>>16523697

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>>16523472
>everyone playing hide and seek instead of having a quiz tournament
I /think/ this is the only one of those that's actually a retcon, though I don't really remember the context of the other two.
The key to what is or is not a retcon is whether it's "Hey, I'm your father that was never mentioned!" (not a retcon), "Hey, you know how it was hinted that the last guy wasn't actually your father? I'm your real father!" (not a retcon), and "Hey, you know all those hints that the second guy was your father? Those were all coincidences, he was lying, I'm you're real father and you're actually Inhumans." (very much a retcon.

>>16523485
Fuck if I know, that doesn't make any goddamn sense. Battler would only call her 'my golden witch' and shit if if he's gone through EP6/7, since neither Piece Battler nor Meta-Battler remembered anything important about Yasu before that point.

>>16523501
Please, explain to me how so. And don't say "Episode 1 was a figment of Yasu's imagination".

>>16523746
fuck, not 6/7, 5/6.

>>16523746
The thing is, Beatrice was the game master during that entire game. She's the one directing the story and moving all the pieces around. So if Battler is supposed to have been one of those pieces, how does he suddenly just become self aware and become a player? For that matter, why would Beatrice even start Episode 1 in the first place if she didn't have an opponent to play against at that point? It makes more sense to think that Meta-Battler was already a player at that point, but due to his lack of memories he ended up experiencing Legend like it was his own story.


Also, how could Battler ever realize the truth of rokkenjimma prime if he was originally from a different world?

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True ending

>>16523813
>The thing is, Beatrice was the game master during that entire game. She's the one directing the story and moving all the pieces around.
The problem here is that you're thinking of the gameboards as something created from nothing. The thing is, though, they all share the same past, they all come from the same root. Which means they're all separate possible timelines for the events of Rokkenjima.
What I'm trying to say here is that you're thinking too one-dimensionally. The pieces can both be pawns of the game master and actual people experiencing real thoughts and emotions. EP5 Natsuhi can be more than just 34 talking to herself. EP2 Rosa and Maria can be more than Beatrice playing pretend.

>So if Battler is supposed to have been one of those pieces, how does he suddenly just become self aware and become a player?
You're forgetting how the first Tea Party came about. Beatrice yoinked up Battler to the Meta-World herself.

>For that matter, why would Beatrice even start Episode 1 in the first place if she didn't have an opponent to play against at that point?
I don't know, why don't you tell me? /Even if you accept that Meta-Battler came in to being during the Magic Ending, he isn't playing at this point./

And besides, I'm not altogether sure that EP1 is a 'proper' gameboard. Yes, it is called a gameboard a few times when it's grouped with the other ones, but Beatrice isn't playing against anyone, and the only definitely fake thing that can't be chalked up to Yasu talking to herself (as far as I can remember) is Kinzo. Personally I like to think of it as a regular world that Beato tacked some Kinzo posters onto and stole the Battler of.

Also, if we take into account what the retcon said, /why the hell did Battler never notice he had no memory of the past two days/. I mean, he's incompetent, but not so incompetent as to not notice he has amnesia.

>Also, how could Battler ever realize the truth of rokkenjimma prime if he was originally from a different world?
The truth of Rokkenjima Prime doesn't mean shit to Battler OR Beatrice. That's kind of one of EP8's points, and I don't think the truth Battler found on his own was 'who killed everybody', but 'what is the point of the gameboards' and 'who is Beatrice'.

>>16523694
Tell that to Bernkastel. Or the space where Lambdadelta used to be.

>>16524037
I said usually. Most of the time we see her she's acting pretty decently. She comes across as way more fair and impartial than Bern, even if that's just what we the viewers see.

>>16524047
'Decent' and 'not giving a shit' are two different things, though.

>>16523737
Sex?

>>16524342
Also, Ikuko is Featherine's piece, not Featherine.

>>16524347
The two of them fucked like rabbits for sure. Ryukishi intended them to be married originally but was requested to leave it ambiguous.

As it's ambiguous and it wasn't outright stated that they aren't married, I'm assuming they're probably married, or at least banging.

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>>16524356
It's kind of ambiguous who's writing who between the two of them.

>>16524342
True, but 'doesn't give a shit' is still better than 'outright malicious'. At least Feathers is sometimes helpful.

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>>16524365
>There are barely any Ikuko/Featherine lewds

>>16524388
Good. She's way too old.

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>>16524429
How can she be too old? She doesn't even age.

>>16524441
She may say that but in reality she's just good with makeup.
Poor Battler, in life he has to please an old hag, in death -- tranny witch.

>>16524429
You just have shit taste.

>>16524365
The question is, did they continue to fuck even after he got crippled?

>>16524451
The witch stops being a tranny after death though.

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>>16524429
You wouldn't fuck this lonely Christmas cake novelist and live together with her in her mansion?

>>16524473
>Christmas cake
More like mackerel cake

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>>16524481
She's not that old. Hell, Eva, Natsuhi, and Kyrie are probably all older than her.

>>16524462
I mean I'm sure they tried.

>>16524473
Living with a woman like that sounds like a dream come true.

>>16524540
Tohya must have been a very happy man. Having an eternally youthful woman like that all to himself.

I can imagine him receiving a new manuscript from her, only to find that it's actually a passionate lovemaking scene featuring the two of them, in a story set during that night. As he reads though all the details of what the two of them do to each other, he looks up to see Ikuko smiling at him as if asking what he thinks.

>>16524612
She acts all casual about it too, like it's not that big of a deal.

>>16523637
I think that she is one of the most boring characters in the franchise.

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Did he deserved to die?
The correct answer is no

>>16520170
You are rushing it so hard you can't even enjoy the truly answer episodes.

>>16524672
Is losing a peepee really a tragedy worth of murder-suicide for a person with ten tons of gold? I'd say no but hey that's just like my opinion.

>>16524672
What would Umineko be like if Ghoda was the protagonist instead of Battler?

>>16524805
I bet it'd be a lot like Driving Miss Daisy. Even if Beato was horrible to him he'd be polite throughout all the games.

>>16524805
Better.

So what's Trianthology about? The high schoolers who play pretend?

>>16524025

not that guy but

>Even if you accept that Meta-Battler came in to being during the Magic Ending, he isn't playing at this point.

That's why Battler calls her fucking retarded.

Because as she wanted him to know the entire truth, that he didn't get to learn in the real world. And her way of presenting this truth, was by playing the witch game, instead of just, I don't know, coming out and telling him from the beginning.

It's cute, sure, but fucking stupid.

>why the hell did Battler never notice he had no memory of the past two days

I'm sure after just waking up, he lived through EP1 as if it were his past two days. He didn't know he had amnesia.

>>16521805
Agree.

>>16524794
There was way more to it than that and you know it.

>>16525714
You can word it however you want, in the end it still comes back to that

>>16525726
Beatrice never even killed anyone in the end. The Ushiromiya's were assholes who brought the tragedy onto themselves.

>>16525714
Yasu really sucks when you really think about it. Many answers regarding his motives and goals were just disappointing or just too stupid to keep the suspension of disbelief.

>>16525749
She gave them both means to kill each other and a reason to do that, knowing that they'll take it
Instead of, say, spending the rest of her life in a luxurious rape dungeon, drinking blended babies or whatever dickless degenerates do for fun

>>16525726
Yeah. It had nothing to do with them learning that they were a bastard born of incestual rape and that they're actually related to their romantic partners.

>>16525786
>bastard born of incestual rape and that they're actually related to their romantic partners
See, it does come back to peepee in the end, doesn't it?

>>16525797
What? How? That part has nothing to do with the state of yasu's genitals.

>>16525777
She was originally planning to kill them herself but gave up when they solved the epitaph. All she did then was honestly tell them everything and they decided on their own to kill each other for stupid reasons.

You act like having a mountain of gold is just going to magically fix all of Yasu's emotional baggage.

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>>16525771
Did you even read confession?

>>16525826
It's okay anon. Some people can't put themselves in other peoples shoes.

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>>16525801
Bastard or not nothing ever would come out of it anyway. Yasu is kinda obsessed with getting happiness through love and love comes down to one thing.

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>>16525877
>getting happiness through love
I suddenly have the need to mock Yasu's shitty motives for triggering a mass murder.

>>16525771
>too stupid to keep the suspension of disbelief.
I don't know about that. There have been people in real life who killed other just because they got rejected. Emotional trauma can break people really easily

>>16516114
Baka?

>>16525379
>I'm sure after just waking up, he lived through EP1 as if it were his past two days.
...So in other words he's completely identical to a Battler that was actually from the world of EP1.

Reread chapter 2 recently, and Jesus Christ, having Rosa as the culprit does make more sense than the official explanation after all.

Don't get me wrong, I like Shkanontrices execution as a story, and I know the manga directly contradicts Rosatrice, but just look at the way this episode plays out. From beginning to end Rosa takes complete control of the situation while Shannon "mastermind" Beatrice stands around passively like an idiot. That's not how you plan out a mass murder, Shannon. You have to push for the moves that will create weak points you can exploit.

If you think about the way some of the crimes are committed it should be sensible to assume that the mastermind probably wasn't a servant. For instance it doesn't make any sense for Shannon to set up Jessicas murder in such a way that the servants will fall under suspicion, putting her in a position of vulnerability where Rosa could easily cross her. Shannon would have to be an idiot to believe that Rosa, after witnessing the art exhibition Shannon turned her siblings into, would continue to play along and give her and Genji false alibis for Jessicas murder, right? At this point Rosa has already cleared the objective of getting three bars of gold and being rid of her siblings. This is the perfect opportunity for her to shift the balance of power and take Shannon out.

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>>16524462
If he lost all feeling in his lower half, he probably has to keep a catheter in his urethra, because he can't feel when he has to urinate.
They could still have sex, but probably no dick stuff.
I guess it depends on his type of paralysis.

>>16526788
>yasu lost their dick
>battler['s body] might as well have lost his dick
made for each other

Where did Oiishi disappear to in the Tatarigoroshi chapter?
All the other "curses"" Keiichi wishes for got explained later.

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>>16526911
DEEPEST
LORE

>>16518711
Not sure about Umineko characters, but Takano's ideals and ambitions hit pretty close to home. Her whole "I'll create my own dice" monologue really inspires me.

>>16519939
> someone has actually read Umineko with his eyes
Woah there, that's too much!

>>16519939
Ange is the worst. Such a boring arc.

>>16527505
/jp/sies can relate to the plot of the st. lucia arc though

dang the remastered alchemist bgms are really nice

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>want to read Umineko again
>remember Chapter 7 and Maria autism

>>16527505
Rude.

>>16526310
Pretty much

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I'm reading Umineko for the first time after watching the animu some years ago and as far as I can tell the only decent people in the island are Gohda, Nanjo and Hideyoshi.

>>16528108
>watching the animu

>>16528108
>animu
Stopped reading there.

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>>16528260
>>16528281
>I saw the anime first several years ago
>I will never get to experience the first 4 Episodes of the vn blind.

beato

>>16527500
?
>>16527505
We can agree to disagree.
Also I said that Ange was the one I was most like, not best girl.

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I have irrevocably Fucked Up

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Graphic design is my passion

>>16528742
>>16528690
What the fuck are you doing?

Might as well replace Battlers sprite with George's sprite

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>>16528803
I've only figured out fonts and textboxes.

English fonts are the only ones I can replace because they need to be in .ttf format, so nothing like wingdings or symbols

>>16528843
>arabic.png
lol
Can you teach me this sorcery?

>>16528742
>my passion
And yet, you're terrible at it

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>>16528856
It's a meme.

>>16528852
In the alchemist patch folder there should be a couple .rars with custom textbox options. when you extract them it goes bmp>system>msgwnd0.png

Open msgwnd0.png in your image editor of choice and crop whatever image you want into the dimensions of the textbox, save it with the same name and extension. that's basically it.

fonts are just replacing default.tff with whatever font you want and renaming it to "default".

I guess you can also replace .wav files and .mov files this way too.

>>16528865
Oh. Pls don't mind me then, just trying to ruin any kind of self-confidence in you.
>>16528867
Not that anon, but I don't understand nothing of what you just say.

>>16528873
See that erika

you can hack it

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>>16528873
>just trying to ruin any kind of self-confidence in you.
I'm not >>16528742.

>>16528879
shut up

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Tfw no doujin of Virgillia being chikan molested by the goats.

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Guys, I accidentally revived beato into our reality with music and blood magic, what do I do now?

>>16528918
Get absolutely fucking wasted with her

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>>16528867
I had no idea this was possible. Thank you

>>16528918
Take him to a good surgeon to fix the problem down there, duh. When the problem is finally solved, kick his balls and run.

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>>16527669
I shall grant you a magic button named ctrl. Press it when you feel the urge to skip forward in time. Use it well.

>>16528936
no prob

>>16528943
But actual Beato isn't Yasu, Actual Beato has breasts and a functioning vagina.

>>16528995
Don't make me laugh, Beato is nothing but a fantasy created by Yasu. If you born as a girl, you are a girl. If you born as a boy, you are a boy.
Very simple

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>>16529006
As I understand, Beatrice exists on the meta level and is a separate being from Yasu. Like how the Battler who lived through the massacre isn't the same as the one who fights Beatrice.

>>16529038
To me they are a representation of what they were, could be or wish to be. Yasu was always confused about himself for the mutilation of his genitals. He created Beatrice as a way to escape from reality, still, they are the same person.
His fantasy is still a fantasy. They are both male

>>16529050
Basically there's enough left to the imagination by the end of the story that /jp/sies can mad lib in their trap fantasies

>>16529067
I know right? Their waifu is a digusting trannie hahahahaha

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>>16529073
Oh man that's hot.
I want to bully Beato's pathetic penis.

>>16529083
I have always considered men who like to dress like girls absolutely unappealing. I don't feel malice towards them, but I don't like them.

Meta Battler is most definitely Episode 1's Battler.

Episode 1 doesn't take place on a game board.

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>>16529050
Explain this then. Her physical body has no effect on her meta world self.

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>>16529129
>Episode 1 doesn't take place on a game board.
Are you sure about that? They always refer to it as the "first game"

>>16529156
Why don't you try to fall off a cliff? Maybe in the golden land your dreams will become true, anon.
What do you think is the meta? The meta isn't real, you silly dumbass

>>16529050
Damn. I never knew that shotungs had fantasies about being lewd bunnies. Like dude.

>>16529180
So? Then neither is Beato. It doesn't change the fact that the being we see throughout the story is female.

>>16529163
In hindsight they can refer to it as a game in meta, but it was never presented as a game to the reader. We read it as told through Battler's perspective, with no meta-breaks in between. At least before the Ep1 Tea party, I assert that that game took place in an otherwise unbothered kakera.

It can raise questions as to what is and isn't a gameboard, when you think about Ange in Ep4. Ange in Ep4 is the Ange from the Ep3 kakera, and since we see her whole life with Eva in that world, it can be said that each gameboard/kakera is its own individual reality; but really the Witch's Game didn't begin until Ep1 has reached its conclusion.

So calling Ep1 a gameboard is a bit of a stretch even if they refer back to the murders.

I got bored
>>16529186
I always thought it was the way Maria imagined her imaginary friends.

>>16529201
I figure Beatrice gave them human forms the same way she did Sakutaro.

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No it doesn't.

>>16529192
You see whatever you want to see, I guess. If Beatrice is a girl to you okay.
>>16529203
Magic doesn't exist, anon.
>>16529204
?

>>16529206
>Magic doesn't exist, anon.
How does Ikuko go 40+ years without aging a day?

>>16529206
True. If you want her to be a boy that's another interpretation I guess.

>>16529211
Make up, a good care of herself and because it's a fictional story with lots of silly things.
>>16529216
It's okay, anon. I respect your opinion. You're not gay to me.

>>16529223
>Makeup
fuck me

Beato (male)

Beato (female)

>>16529223
>it's a fictional story with lots of silly things.
Right. Like magic.

Beato (butterflygender)

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I'm literally 5 minutes in and I'm getting answers.

How are they going to explain Rena sitting outside his room for an hour? Is she narcoleptic?

>>16529245
Don't post, faggot!

>>16529249
Keiichi is already hallucinating at that point in the story IIRC

>>16529251
Maybe I will stop now, faggot!

In Ep5 Krauss alludes to doing business with a "Sonezaki Man". I don't know why R07 didn't just say a Sonozaki entrepeneur since that would make more sense but still pretty neat.

He knows trolling is a art though, he put Okonogi in Ep4 and had him say absolutely nothing about his paramilitary expereince.

>>16529254
There's usually a change in tone when he gets paranoid though. Like the girls' eyes go all blank. he was just chatting with his parents at the time.

>>16529180
The meta is real.
Its up to you to choose whether to believe or not, though. Kind of the moral of the story.

>>16529263
You too, faggot!

>>16529268
Okay then. I choose reality
>>16529271
Bye-bye, faggot!

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This the crux of Higurashi

The reader is jealous as fuck of K and him going insane and dying horribly is catharsis.

I didn't except Rose Guns Days to be alternative history, what the fuck? Is Ryu literally denying Nanking?

>>16529470
Obviously meant expect
Also I assume Pearl Harbor never happened too because murricans are way too friendly just three years after the war

>>16529275
Reality exists in reality, Magic exists in the meta world.You can have both without destroying the other.

The meta world exists in a separate state than the real world. It exists on a completely different plane. To the real world it might as well be fantasy, and nonexistent. Magic isn't real in the real world, where the game boards take place. However that still doesn't change that the meta world can still exist off in it's own world.

Depends on how you want to read it.

>>16529559
Ikuko/Featherine seems to break the rule about magic in reality though, but that's just her.

>>16529585
Yeah she's that one link that sort of breaks everything. She really could just age fantastically well. I mean None of the aunts really look their ages, especially Eva who's 50.

>>16529603
Wouldn't Ikuko be at least 70 by the epilogue?

>>16529603
well, I mean she's Featherine's self insert she made to fuck the main character.

>>16529603
Eva can't possibly be fifty in 1986, George is only 18 at that time and Kinzo made her skip higher education so she could get married, didn't he?

>>16529797
George is 23

>>16529811
George is a fatass

Reminder that 17 year old George started lusting after Yasu's feminine penis when she was (supposedly) 10 yo.

>>16530009
Yasu didn't have a penis.

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>Endless 8 Rika chama
>Sonozaki death squads
>Sonozaki family moving corpses
>ALIENS
>BRAIN PARASITES

Maggots aside the parasite theory makes too much sense. I was thinking some kind of disease but parasites fit so well. It better be solvable after this chapter or I'll feel like a dunce, I'm getting so much more than Meakashi.

>>16530229
>yfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR0SvgLy_D8&index=20&list=PLEC69B03890CBA9BA

>>16529073
You disgust me.

>>16530018
Penis (female)

>>16530419
Again, regardless of gender, there wasn't a penis.

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>>16530436
There's a surprising amount of people that forget this detail, since missing whatever sexual organ they had is a big part of their moral dilemma.

>>16529249
I assumed it was just Rena's guilt that made her do stuff like that. She felt as though she didn't do enough for Satoshi, so she did more desperate things like that in order to prevent the same thing from happening to K1.

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Well that was quite a ride, equal best with Tatarigoroshi for me. Ryu seemed to be chiding the people who rooted for K in Onikakushi, I know I sure did, by making Rena so over the top with her aliens bullshit. Its amazing how good he is at going from fun to horror and back to fun again.

Mystery-wise Takano is evil evil evil and apparently the characters can't get over their Sonozaki family meme theory (I wouldn't put it past Oryou/Kinzo, they're crazy!). I really want to hear what Rika thinks about it and who kills her every loop but she's working on limited information too since she dies before the disaster happens. I almost thought there'd be a happy end but they all die, again.

But here's my super amazing post Tsumihorboshi theory:
-Takano, Tomitake and Irie are the culprits along with Irie's goons I suppose (seen in Onikakushi, Tatrigoroshi, they're the ones who inflict external wounds on Tomitake)
-Takano uses her Junko Enoshima powers to turn someone crazy because Hinamizawan people have brain bugs
-It must be an illness or parasite because of the uniform symptoms of people affected (Shion, Satoshi, Rena and K all experience the paranoia, aggression, extra footstep and eventual throat scratch suicide).
-Thus someone is activated (Satoshi the year before and either K, Rena or Shion after), they commit murder and are then demoned away by Takano and the gang (very easy to hide corpses in Hinamizawa). To propagate the curse. Because Miyo's into that.
-Tomitake, who arrives in Hinamizawa every June (not suspicious), and Irie help Takano because reasons
-It likely went as above during the third and fourth years but the fifth was to keep the police occupied perhaps.
-Takano and Tomitake go into the shrine storage to mark themselves for death (Likely only Takano knows that's what they're doing)
-They leave and Tomitake is made into the curse victim against his will with the magic drug (thanks rika nipah)
-Takano then gets the fug out (Met with K in Tatarigoroshi), leaving a fake corpse in the mountains. She has Tomitake's bike as evidence of her guilt.
-She then prepares everything until the swamp is ready to kill everyone in the village. Again, to propagate the curse cause it gets her off.
-Irie offs himself instead of leaving (No idea why)
-Rika is also killed purposely because shes queen of the brain bugs (thanks rena)

By writing it out it shows still how little I completely understand but this seems to be a good outline from what I know so far. I'm also ignoring Endless 8 old hag Rika chama since it seems unrelated to the mystery and obviously supernatural.

>>16532839
I've been posting in the last few threads and I've probably gotten a few hints I shouldn't know. All I knew before I started was that Rika chama is magic.

>>16532843
Okay, I apologize then. Have fun.

>>16532832
You've been making your way through this pretty quickly. I remember it taking way longer for me to get through Higurashi.

>>16532849
Fast reader + NEET.

Tsumihoroboshi was definitely my quickest though, it totally drew me in.

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>>16532849
It took me a month and a half to get through higurashi, not counting two weeks of doing other stuff

>>16532795
>to serious to me to look at it like a fantasy
>Lord of the Rings isn't serious
>Dark Tower isn't serious
>Pern isn't serious
>His Dark Materials isn't serious
>Redwall isn't serious
>ASoIaF isn't serious
>Wheel of Time isn't serious
>Higurashi (notable for having AN ACTUAL GOD as a major character) isn't serious

>>16532966
all low art...

>>16532966
Except those are already established as fantasy, while in Umineko you have the option to choose. I did my choose and so did you, now let me alone.
Janny deleted my on-topic post, so I lost my interest too. Good night

>>16532884
Could have been better.

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So, the closed room of Kinzo's study was broken, because as Natsuhi might have been checking something in another room of the study, Kinzo could have leapt from the third story window? And this is valid even if he lost his life in the process?

Battler manages to leap from the third story window and land without any injury? Erika seems to have the right idea, but all of the relatives agree that Kinzo could have accomplished this on the grounds of him being THE Kinzo. Maybe I just need more rabu to believe.

>>16533110
You called it 'too serious' to be fantasy. That would imply that all of those famous fantasy novels (and even the previous game) are not serious.

>>16533368
It doesn't matter, he's already dead.

>>16533399
Of course he had been dead for a year prior, but this whole fight was under the pretense that he was still alive.

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>>16526649
Not to mention Rosa randomly gets Nanjo to come and see her, right before that whole Kanon ghost.

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>>16526649
And then Ryukishi dwindles the truth in plain sight.

>>16533404
Battler didn't actually jump, it's confirmed he slid down the railings or down a gutter pipe or something and had a soft landing. It's later stated that Kinzo could have potentially done the same thing and could have safely made his way down from the third story, he didn't need to jump. It didn't matter if he jumped or not, Battler's point was still proven.