Touhou Games Thread

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Yep, I did it again. I didn't have a proper Lunatic screenshot, but that one from my first replay looks cool from a distance, at least!

best game

Spooky text OP

What are ways to gain as much points as possible? I understand grazing, capturing and TOC, but what is more important. "Kill everything fast", "graze all the bullets", or "collect everything"?

Also how do collect resources in Extra modes? Do you just graze everything to get enough points for 1-ups, or just simply don't die?

>>14543093
the games have different scoring systems, you have ask about one specifically if you want to learn about scoring

>>14543093
press x for points

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>>14542822
>Contrary to popular belief, it's not that difficult

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>>14543110
Believe it.

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>>14543097
Ah, ZUN sure does have a way of making his games unique...

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Finally did the Reisen 1cc in PoFV. Felt good destroying the fairies and seeing the yellow "Bonus" text pop up all over the screen, so thanks again for teaching me the trick last thread. Finished off Eiki Shiki with two lives remaining. Pic somehow related.

>>14543100
You forgot to add that you also have to hold z for points. But sometimes, you must release z for points. Similarly, there are times when you must hold shift for points. There are also times when you must tap shift for points. And there are times when you are required to move diagonally for points. But sometimes, you have to not move at all for points. Most importantly, you have to not die for points, unless you have to die for points.

>>14543555
Good explanation, I feel like I get it now. Gonna go compete now with the aid of this new information.

>>14543680
Post your Lunatic gold medals, faggot.

>>14543791
I don't have one.
Post your Lunatic gold medals, faggot.

>>14543858
What does that have to do with GFW?
If you can't comeback with something good, then don't say anything, anon.

>>14543870
That still doesn't have anything to do with GFW or the fact that you haven't posted your Gold medals, faggot.

>>14543870
>GFW lunatic medals are unreasonable

lol getgud

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>>14543900
I specifically said "gold medals" because gold medals are possible, if i wanted to fuck with you i would had said "no ice lunatics runs", that is unreasonable and truly comparable to a shieldless run in reflex.
So, you posting them err?

>>14543484
>Felt good destroying the fairies and seeing the yellow "Bonus" text pop up all over the screen
Yeah, that feels great. Sadly, I've only ever experienced it fighting against other people. More power to you for only dying twice to Komachi/Eiki.

how do i dodg bulletins plesse help

>>14544888
Hold shift for focused movement!
Look at the space between the bullets, not the bullets!
Look where you're going and not where you're at!
Don't move too much at once in stages where bullets are directed at you!

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>>14545704
instructions unclear got raped by big guy

>>14544233
>Yeah, that feels great. Sadly, I've only ever experienced it fighting against other people.
It was only against Sakuya (stage 6)... I was surprised. Well, it's probably going to be a long time before I dare play against humans. Maybe the next Phantasmagoria title?

>More power to you for only dying twice to Komachi/Eiki.
Admittedly I died twice to Eiki alone, but I got an extend at 70 mil points and technically another at the very end (so would have three extra lives, not two). I did, in my opinion, well in my match against Eiki-1 which I intended to play as warmup but lasted a little over 3 minutes, then blew it on Eiki-2 one minute into it, so I decided to suicide and do Eiki-3 which was a success. I suppose she's not so bad on Normal once I start timing my level 2s correctly and get used to the hitboxes.
I did die to Komachi, but she is actually not that bad for me either; if I focus very hard, I can beat her without retries, but all this danmaku is exhausting to me so I end up doing tired slips too often. Mostly my misses are those, I don't get lost in the pattern much.
I would say it's Medicine (stage 7) that truly screws me over. I can't deal with her purple clouds very well, so that was a retry after 3 minutes.

scores??????

>>14546277
57299741

Truxton 2 > Any Touhouge

>>14546956
nah

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>Playing Touhou for the first time after putting it off for ages
>Can't use my fightstick without an external plugin

>>14547128
Don't do that. Just use a keyboard.

>>14547221
nah

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Anything notable I need to know about MoF before going in ? Already got 3 normal 1cc's so just wondering about any weird mechanics or unfair stuff

>>14547364
Power 4 and power 5 are exactly the same. The only difference is that power items will be faith items when you have power 5.

>>14547364
You get a lot of bombs. Other than that, go read the wiki. More people should do that when they have no idea about a game, it's helpful.

>>14547364
>Already got 3 normal 1cc's
Of EoSD, PCB and IN? Be prepared for the brutal continue system (which will strike back with vengeance in SA), but remember that the number of times you can use a continue is infinite. Another is that, since bombs take away from your power, it's perfectly fine to bomb if you can collect powerups right after and go back to full power, so go wild.

>>14547386
Who cares about the continue system? He shouldn't be credit feeding in the first place.

>>14548063
you wanna unlock stage practice fa m

what do i do in bane first spellcard he just rises fire and this shit make game crash everytime

Hardcore Tier:
UFO

Challenging Tier:
LoLK
SA

Average Tier:
EoSD
DDC

Easy Tier:
PCB
TD

Casual Tier:
IN
MoF

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How do I get past this without having to bomb?

>>14549074
no

>>14549074
For what purpose did you make this chart? Trying to rate basic 1cc difficulties? It doesn't make any sense.

>>14549170
You can use full power cancel for that part.

>>14549178
Lunatic scoring tiers, obviously.

>>14549181
>>14549170
Oops I thought that was extra stage, didn't read the filename. Learn what streaming is, it's very simple. Aimed bullets can be sidestepped with a single tap. If you flail around a lot, things will get difficult.

>>14549190
I just figured out the trick. You have to tap horizontally and not vertically like I was doing. Thank you anyway.

>>14549186
that's even more retarded, scoring is only as hard as you want it to be

>>14549249
Going for WR-level scores, then, you autistic dumbass.

>>14549186
>UFO scoring is Harcore tier

lmao dude

>>14549688
>he thinks it's not
ufo tokens will ruin your runs, nigga

>>14549261
WR level scoring is a dumb term because there are hyper optimized runs like yu-suke's runs and then you can find free WRs if you go into places like solo youkai FinalA in IN. But if we're talking actually good scores, your list is still shit.

The problem with your list is that you have no idea how scoring works, apparently. PCB and IN have a far higher density of difficult tricks than UFO or DDC. That's of course not saying that either UFO or DDC are easy. In fact, UFO has one of the highest difficulty spikes in Touhou; but it's exactly that: A spike. Ichirin grazes aren't in the whole game and every portion before and after are quite a bit easier. Not to mention that the final boss is "just" a survival boss unlike in PCB, IN, EoSD or even TD.

But in the first place, trying to rank scoring difficulty is stupid shit. Especially when you have no fucking idea what you're talking about like you.

Is this where Touhou Empire can be discuss?
Anyone want to netplay together once it is release?

>>14549752
everyone knows IN is easiest scoring game, calm down you ass pie

>>14549869
But that's wrong.

>>14549869
Imperishable Night is probably the game with the easiest entry to scoring, that is correct. Games like UFO, which has you grab blue instead of red/green or SA which doesn't allow deaths, are much harder to get into. However, the issue you addressed was good scores (or rather WR-tier, whatever that is supposed to mean) and if we take those, then IN is definitely not the easiest. As I have mentioned human scoring is impossibly difficult to optimize because you can't just shoot through familiars. Stage 4 and 6 in particular are literal horror if you use a human other than Youmu and even with her, they're quite difficult. You have evidently never tried to get a good score in Imperishable Night, otherwise you wouldn't be talking about it like it was a trivial game to be good at.

>>14549879
Scoring or not, almost all of the patterns are the same if not completely static, you do it once and you'll basically never mess up again unless you're retarded. Same applies to the stages.

>>14549924
you know what to post

>>14549702
I don't think you had tried to score in UFO. PCB is far harder to manipulate, plus in UFO, with enough practice, the only thing that can mess with your score is failing Legendary flying saucer and that's only because it can become really hard.

only the IN players think their game is the hardest to score in, and maybe those who don't play at all (but you can't blame those)

>>14550345
Nice reading comprehension you got there. No one said it was the hardest. People just mentioned that it's not easy and that's it.

>>14550401
only the IN players think their game is not easy to score in, and maybe those who don't play at all (but you can't blame those)

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>>14550431

>>14549938
You fucking wot. The cherry borders are much easier to manipulate.

>>14549922
I like how you call the tierlist wrong and shit but then basically agree with it by how you talk about each games scoring.

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>>14549074
>any 2hu
>hardcore

lmao dude

>>14550535
I said that IN is the easiest to get into. I didn't say it's an easy game to play well, which is the topic at hand.

>>14550401
That's nice and all but it doesn't make the statement any less valid.

>>14550539
we get it, you played your first non-touhou stg and now you feel superior

>>14550964
>he fell for lazy b8
epic dude
simply epic

>>14549170
>get to this every time
>always think, "im gonna do it this time! dont bomb!
>get hit every fucking time
Oh my god. It's infuriating.
I should do practice mode and get it the fuck down.

>>14550964
I was under the impression that image is a 'shop made by someone on sys11 anyway.

>>14551244
it is

>>14549760
Could someone point me where can I find the community that play Touhou Empire games?
Playing vs computer can only be so fun.

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>>14549170
If you wait long enough, you can sidestep; just wait until it's close, and remember your hitbox

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Genso noRondo was terrible - I expected better..

which touhou games are worth playing and which arent?

>>14551649
worth: eosd pcb in mof sa gfw td

>>14551649
Play them yourself and find out. Other people's opinions will only get you so far.

That said, you probably want to avoid the Bunkachou games and most of the fighters.

>>14551649
6 7 8 9 9.5 10 11 12 12.5 13 14 14.3 15

>>14551705
Where's 12.8?

>>14551649
All of them, you shouldn't start with 1 thought. Play 6 through 14 and ten get back to the PC-98 games and finally 15.
I legitimally enjoyed all of them except hopeless masquerade.

>>14551649
4, 5, 7, 11, and 14 the ones I like the most, but even I'm not egotistical enough to think that "I like it" means they're the only ones worth playing.

>>14551705
Could've just said everything except PC-98 instead of being an autist.

>>14552158
But he didn't include GFW in his list.

>>14551006
I manage to do it without bombing every now and again. I never go in trying to NOT bomb... but I don't just say "fuck it" and bomb right away either. If my situation looks fucked or I start to panic, then I'll bomb, but otherwise, like 95% of the time I survive and I bomb like 60% of the time.

>>14552331
Just do it like this:

https://a.pomf.cat/xynzag.mp4

Safe, if not particularly impressive.

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>>14550539
You guys should really put more effort into it if you're going to shitpost. Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and believe it's not a shop, practically every bullet in that image is completely meaningless and the actual density of stuff you are dodging is incredibly low. Once you factor in the lag Cave games are famous for and the bullet density, you will get really slow bullet speed. Probably 10 fps, if that.

Basically, an already easy pattern being slowed down to an annoying degree is, as one would except, really easy to dodge.

>>14553623
Now you realize why bullet curtain games are inferior.

>>14555466
What was it to?

>>14555474
Ran's 7th card. Got cocky on the last wave and was too close.

How do you score in LoLK?

Graze and kill.

>>14557439
>How do you score
be born with superior genes

>>14559292
where do I subscribe?

>>14559292
Nice blog.

>>14559316
>>14559338
Would you rather shitpost about scores?

Either way, deleted the offending post.

I somehow beat Sakuya first time round earlier. Daily practice is making me better.

>>14560566
Nice! Something similar happened to me before, a few days ago. I started up Imperishable Night after finishing PCB and actually 1cc'd it on my first try. My first try of the day, that is, I've had a few attempts at IN before already.

Boring minor achievements: This week I've returned to Shoot the Bullet and cleared almost all the scene 10 cards that I stalled out last time. Also cleared Boundary between Wave and Particle. (<- best spellcard ever/in recent memory)

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I have been stuck on this part since the day this game came out. I know there is only one spell card after this and I think I can get the last spell piece I need to use it on the last spell card. That is the only reason I haven't given up and tried again without wasting as many bombs. What would you do?

>>14561878
oh shit. I need two spell pieces don't I. fuck

>>14561878
>Sanae
Anyway, you shouldn't give up even if you need two pieces. That spellcard can be really tricky but the strategy is always the same.

-When one of the circles spawn look for a opening, cross it and inmediately after that predict were the bullets are going to land, then repeat.
-Junko has no hitbox so make use of the entire screen
-Is easier to dodge the bullets if you do a "circle" motion arround the screen as opposed of doing it in a "rectangle/square"
-Start doing a wide circle and as the pattern gets faster do a smaller circling motion

The last pattern is really not that bad it's just pure alternate dodging after the second phase, i don't think you should restart if you've been stuck since the game came out.

>>14561878
Pretty much what >>14562018 said, though I'd add:
- Don't think too hard about where the bullets are going; as long as you keep moving, you should only have to dodge one at a time.
- Doing a square is fine to start, but as the speed picks up, smooth out into a more circular motion.
- Find the right balance between fast and deliberate motions. Don't take too long looking for exactly the right place to go, but don't just panic and run into shit either.

Though I have to ask, if you've been stuck here for that long, why haven't you just looked up a video of someone else doing it? Also, are you playing in moon on purpose, or do you not know about thcrap?

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I deleted the hitbox patch from my EoSD installation, thus turning it back to raw. Turns out I don't miss the visible hitbox at all. It feels better without it, actually.

>>14563703
Yeah, after a while you sort of get an innate sense of where your hitbox will be. Although EoSD square bubble hitboxes are still hell.

>>14563725
>Although EoSD square bubble hitboxes are still hell.
Yep, I've felt it a few times already. Their hitbox is just not how I've come to expect it to be.

As for getting rid of the player hitbox, for me it was also the realisation that I didn't enjoy seeing it, to the point that I would sometimes avoid focusing for no practical reason. It was pretty much clutter that didn't belong and marred the character sprite. Now I'm enjoying perfection!

>>14561878
>normal
>sanae
>pointdevice
i dont even readed your post lol

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R8 my powerlevel.

>>14561878
>normal
>Sanae
>Pointdevice
Are you even trying?

>>14563995
>jpeg
>At least 8 previous attempt
>Collage without borders, can't see well where a screen ends and another begins.
>833 kb (!).
>960x2160 (?).

6/10.

>>14563995
>Apollo Hoax Theory 1/1
I r8 h8/8.

>>14563995
Bombed on Junko's final spell / 10

We've all been there.

>>14564011
I swear, that was my first time with Marisa in PD Lunatic.

How do I deal with Sanae in MoF without spamming bombs? I was able to make it to her with 6 lives without spamming any bomb bullshit and I came out of her stage with 1 life.

>>14564303
git.gud.fgt

>>14564303
Are you trying to do a no-bomb run, or are you really having so much trouble that you're bombing through everything?

For her patterns and her third spell, don't get stuck at the bottom of the screen; read the pattern far ahead and be aggressive about dodging through.

Her second spell is pretty straightforward, just slowly stream and cut back once or twice. The walls are mostly for show. You can make the cutback easier by timing it right with her motion.

And her last spell is piss easy, just slowly tap in alternating directions with each wave.

It's not a bad fight overall once you get used to it, possibly the easiest stage 5 boss in fact.

If you noticed I didn't say anything about her first spell, it's because I can never do anything but bomb through it. Sorry.

>>14564399
>Are you trying to do a no-bomb run, or are you really having so much trouble that you're bombing through everything?

No, I just fucking hate bombing in MoF. It feels so cheap. The most trouble I was having was with the first spell card and second spell card, one of which you don't know how to deal with as well.

>possibly the easiest stage 5 boss in fact.

Reisen says hi!

>>14564477
>Reisen says hi!
It's about how the difficulty is distributed. Sanae has one spell that I know I can't do, and the rest are no problem. Reisen has three spells that I can kinda do, more often than not, but then sometimes I fuck up on all three.

>>14564303
>With Sanae

You what m8? Sanae is easier than Aya, are you playing on normal?

>>14564303
For almost everything: >>14564399
For the first spell: >>14564365

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How does one even begin playing on Hard? I've done everything on Normal and would like to go further, but the gap between Normal and Hard is so big that it feels even harder than Normal did when I was just starting out. Have I been doing it wrong this entire time?

>>14564928
Which game are you playing? The early ones are not so hard on Hard. You can also try practicing on Lunatic.

>>14564928
Did you cleared all the extras already? start from there, it will teach you a lot. If you don't want to or if you already did then ask yourself how did you get in the games in the first place. EoSD, PCB or IN? start from there.

>>14564928
Your first time adjusting to Hard is just as important as your first time adjusting to Touhou in general. Keep playing, there's lots of mental and physical techniques you are still going to discover.

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>>14565235
>>14565194
>>14565176
Alright, duly noted. I've only cleared one Extra (PCB, if you couldn't guess), and was jumping around trying all of them on Hard to get an idea of what they're like. Looks like I'll just have to fight through being bad for now.

>>14564928
Just wait until you try lunatic.
The H-L gap makes the Ez-H one look like a fucking joke.

>>14565591
Lunatic honestly feels like it requires a lot more raw diligence and perseverance than the prior jumps, but maybe that's just where my personal growth slowed down.

I broke my right hand falling off the bike... since then, I can't even clear touhou 1 in easy mode... how can I live with this disability?

>>14566169
That sucks. I'm guessing you're just going to have to wait until you heal (that will happen, r-right?) to play again.

>>14566211
It won't heal, I had surgery but the hand has damaged joints

>>14566253
Your other hand works fine right? I'm guessing your bad hand is your right hand. Try switching hand with autohotkey so you use your left hand for movement and your right hand for shooting and focusing. That should be enough even for normal plays.

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>>14566253
You could try using an arcade stick, since the joystick is on the left. I wouldn't really recommend one for playing Touhou, but since your right hand is fucked up it might be worth trying.

>>14542822

Is there even a point in moving vertically in Touhou? I just stay at the bottom of the screen and move side to side, I'm wondering if there's even a benefit to moving up and down.

Has this been discussed before, what is the verdict?

>>14566325
Yes, it indisputably has tons of value.

The most important realization is that if you are on the bottom of the screen, then there is no space behind you to back up. Backing up is like a mulligan or re-do option, if the gap in front of you isn't good enough, you can back up and try again.

There's also the more simple fact that moving vertically lets you stream aimed shots in another direction, and how some patterns disperse and converge at different heights. The only advantage the bottom has is you get the more advance warning, but "more" is not necessarily "better" if you already had enough warning to react.

>>14566325
At least half the patterns are way easier if you go up and meet them, and there's no way it's a disadvangtage to have an entire new axis to dodge on. Not to metion patterns that spawn bullets at the bottom. How long have you actually played the game?

>>14566325
Play DDC and find out.

>>14566354
Another benefit of moving vertically: if there are two separate waves/patterns, then moving vertically can let you pass through the first wave earlier, possibly before the second wave is an issue. This lets you deal with things one at a time instead of all at once.

Is there a benefit in using SuperAL to practice? I'm a slow learner, and having infinite practice on Koishi's patterns seems better to me than spending something like ten minutes just to get one shot on that one pattern if I'm lucky, but I fear that it will make me lazy.

>>14566406
Sorry, SpoilerAL, not SuperAL. Messed up there.

>>14566293
Thanks, im already getting used to

>>14566406
>>14566410
Sure, there's nothing wrong with using SpoilerAL for practice purposes. I find it very helpful in pofv to play against the match-mode AI using SpoilerAL to increase the rank for later bosses like Komachi and Eiki to better simulate their fights.

>>14566763
That's nice to hear, hang in there.

>>14566890
All right, that's nice to hear! Honestly it's a godsend, all these end-of-the-fight avoidances I can finally practice on instead of miserably bombing on them. If I'm already bad, I'm figuring I can use all the help I can get so long as my clears are fair play.

Wow, I've never heard of SpoilerAL. Maybe it's time to dust off those Lunatic 1ccs that I abandoned in stage 6.

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This shit is amazing, in only a few hours I've progressed from hours and hours of constant restarts, frustration and never being able to get far enough in EoSD's extra to nearly beat it. Stress got my last life 20 seconds before the end though.

EoSD Rankings:

God tier:
>Vanilla EoSD (no hitbox patch, no v-nsync patch)

Good tier:
>EoSD (hitbox patch, no v-nsync patch)

Alright tier:
>EoSD (v-sync patch, no hitbox patch)

Do it again tier:
>EoSD (v-syc pach and hitbox patch)

Kill yourself tier:
>EoSD texture pack

>>14569966
>Cheating to see hitbox is better than patching the game to not lag
Oh wow.

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YEAH BABY.

My second touhou 1cc, after EOSD normal.

>>14570027
It is since the hitbox patch is innacurate and you don't really need it for most of the spellcards except for eternal meek (hard/lunatic) and for cheezing through "maze of love". Being able to adapt yourself to play with the delay is far more impressive.

>>14570083
Congratulations!

The hitbox is the same as the other games, I don't think I ever notice it is not there when focused.

I wish I could measure the input delay, because I swear the v-sync patch makes something about the program worse. If the v-sync patch reduced delay it should feel universally better with it and the unpatch EOSD should feel universally worse than other games, which isn't my experience.

>>14570118
Yeah, the hitbox is the same but the patch that makes the hitbox visible is not accurate and sometimes causes glitches, if i remember correctly the hitbox is shown lower than it really is. If anything you are crippling yourself for using it.

>I wish I could measure the input delay

I remember someone saying that the input delay was about 0.20 seconds or something like that, also some people can't stand playing without the v-patch for some reason. Personally it didn't affect me at all since the delay is just a little bit worse than vanilla PCB but i can understand why people need the patch.

>>14570083
Good work anon!

Why would anyone consciously choose to play with a huge input delay? I get that it's impressive, but if anything it's also masochistic.

>>14570101
>>14570143

Thank you! I decided to tough it out and do the 1cc with Marisa because I prefer the style and four bomb sakuya just seemed like "here's the character for casuals to clear with".

>>14569966
>>14570027
>>14570099
>>14570118

I used vpatch, I found that without it I was getting unplayable input lag. SDOJ on xbox has pretty brutal lag as well, but EOSD is even worse than that for me.

I like Mushi Futari's input lag settings, where you can set it to 0 with tearing, or a number of options above.

Reminder that vpatch overcomes the fact that the older games weren't programmed with various graphic card settings in mind and therefore doesn't explicitly request that a minimum number of frames are buffered. Modern graphic cards like to buffer many frames by default in order to give a "consistent experience".

vpatch doesn't remove lag. It makes the game play like it did on older computers, which didn't have lag in the first place. If vpatch is cheating, then changing your default graphic card settings or using an old computer is also cheating.

>>14570172
In my case it was because it was my first touhou game and i never knew about the existence of it. I got my first normal and extra clear in it, i never bothered to patch it since it didn't make much difference for me even in NM Hard runs.

>>14570178
Yeah i can understand why you got bothered by it, specially if you played shmups before. Now do IN.

>>14570184
That is correct, however there are many reasons of why people don't use the v-patch like in my case.
Using the v-patch is obviously not cheating unless you are going for a WR, and even then the reason of why is not allowed is because WR don't allow modifications of any kind.

>>14570172
To get a high score.
Of course, you would know nothing about such things.

>>14570277
*tips wr*

>>14570201
I also cleared EoSD on Normal without any patches as my first shmup, but I can't say I had a good time controlling my character. After I was made aware of the existense of the vsync patch, I installed it for PCB and never looked back. Maybe my input lag is egregious, I don't know how to measure it exactly but it feels very very bad... On the other hand, my friend says that he feels no difference between patched and unpatched EoSD and prefers unpatched because he doesn't care.

>>14570201
>>14570277
Most EoSD score runners use the v-patch too. That includes players going for WRs and those who already have some. There is only one score runner I know of that doesn't use it.

>>14570387
I wanna say it's 2-3 frames, maybe 4, of input lag. Doesn't sound like a lot on paper, but in practice it can feel like you're moving through molasses and I play for survival over score anyway.

>>14570387
>>14570143
>I remember someone saying that the input delay was about 0.20 seconds or something like that, also some people can't stand playing without the v-patch for some reason. Personally it didn't affect me at all since the delay is just a little bit worse than vanilla PCB but i can understand why people need the patch.
Input lag varies over different machines. On my machine vanilla PCB has a measurable 3 frames of input lag, which is disgusting and should be blatantly obvious even to new players. EoSD should be similar, but on this machine I need vpatch to frame limit EoSD so I can't test without it.

>>14571597
How do you test it?

>>14571597
Are you sure about that? I have EoSD installed in three computers and all feel about the same. Two with windows 8 and one with windows 7.

>>14572011
He means much older versions of Windows and probably specifically DirectX. I think DirectX 9 even had a render queue by default? So it might even be Windows 98 that we're talking about.

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This little pest is the deadliest midboss in all of Touhou.

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Where I can download replays for DDC and LoLK?

Tasofro is still working on HM. http://tasofro.net/diary/view/119
1.12 is coming soon, with 1.13 coming between March and April.

Why do people say that Phantasmagoria of Dim.Dream is hard? It's the only game I've 1cc'd on hard (on my second try, no less), and I can consistent 1cc with every character. I can barely make it halfway through Lotus Land Story on normal, and Story of Eastern Wonderland was a struggle to get through (still haven't beaten the extra stage).

>>14576355
Oh, I finally got to stage three. Apparently the fairies shoot lasers now? I guess that's less ridiculous than the fireballs.

>>14549074
>EoSD
>Harder than PCB

As someone who just did 1cc on PCB an hour ago, and 1cc on EoSD a couple of days ago, I disagree.

>>14579755
Why are you replying to a post made over six days ago? Anyway, PCB is easier if you know how to stream, however a lot of begginers don't know that and can't get past stage 4. EoSD is indeed harder in higher difficulties.

>>14579861
Well you see, /jp/ is a relatively slow board, so threads tend to last for several days, thus giving ample opportunity to reply to other posters.

As for PCB, "learn to stream" doesn't excuse how difficult it is. The stages themselves are among the easiest in the series, but Youmu and especially Yuyuko are more than brutal enough to make up for it. At least on Normal, it's far more difficult than EoSD.

>>14576355
she is completely trivial. on any difficulty. phase 1: freeze and it's dead. phase 2: freeze high, shoot, freeze again, dead. phase 3: freeze, dead.

dead dai.

>>14580406
Except if you fight her on stage 2, it's more like: Phase 1, fucking fireballs; Phase 2, actually not bad; Phase 3, a shit-ton of fucking fireballs with no gaps.

>>14580336
Yuyuko is one of the easiest stage 6 bosses.

>>14580336
discussing normal mode difficulty is kinda pointless. at that level your skill is still rapidly improving and not well rounded at all, so that it is hard to compare one game to the other you did a few days earlier and difficulty greatly varies for different people.
Also it was already said that the ranking is shit and a stupid idea

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>>14582722
>at that level your skill is still rapidly improving
If only.

>>14583885
DELETE
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>>14580549
learn to play.

>>14579381
Why.

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I got my first scrubby bombspam extra clear today jaypee!

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>>14584815
>spellcards captured: 3

>>14584815
Don't worry, I did only slightly better. I captured 5 spell cards instead of 3.

>>14585238
>>14585782
Yeah it was pretty bad and honestly the clear seemed like it came out of nowhere. Not that I'm capable of too much better, but I died on Cranberry Trap after I had been capturing it consistently earlier and I had to bomb through Kagome, Kagome despite the same. I'll get better, I promise!

>>14585877
>after I had been capturing it consistently
Tell me your secrets. I always fuck that one up horribly.

>>14586113
It has a fixed pattern so you can always use the same route everytime.

>>14586142
Are you shitting me? I thought the bullets were aimed. They just go towards the center or something?

>>14585877
Hell, don't stress it. Chances are, many of your extras are going to be like that, because you'll be faced every time with new patterns and under the pressure to clear rather than to show off in the replay. You'll get better, to be sure, but likely by the time you're -significantly- better you'll also be done with your first-time clears.

>>14586156
He's lying. For cranberry trap, Red/Purple shots are aimed at center, Blue shots are aimed at you.

The pattern is also static in the sense of the order+timing of each wave of bullets coming from each of the 4 sides of the screen.

Overall you can *generally* just use the same route through the pattern over and over. I still miss it sometimes, but like you I basically think it is a "gimme" card at this point.

>>14586156
They are but the route you should use is the same, The card has only two variations, a first phase and a second phase and after that it repeats again so you only have to do the same moves everytime. If i remember correctly you just have to do a small square starting from the center before the bullets wall you, the idea is to keep moving and return.
>>14586316
I'm not lying, you donut. I was refering to the same set of movement requiered to bypass all the bullets. The pattern behaves the same everytime, as in, the there is always the same ammount of bullets and they all behave accordingly to your movement everytime.

>>14586316
>>14586396
I see. If only it weren't such a pain to practice.

>>14586479
see >>14569003
infitite lives + no card timer means you can practice forever

>>14586510
It's cheating, plain and simple. No better than people who use the hitbox `````patch'''''.

>>14586578
you don't use it on your actual run

>>14586583
Yes, and?

>>14586591
So you're saying that practicing is cheating. Whoa.

>>14586609
No, I'm saying that practicing with third party programs is cheating.

>>14586578
None of them are cheating, the hitbox patch is unessesary and innacurate and the other is a (kind of shameful) trainer.

>>14586624
It is shameful. Because it's cheating.

>>14586591
How is it any different from something like moedan? It's not as specific as playing the actual games, but you can still set your lives to infinite and the timer to 300 and learn most of the major shot patterns in touhou. What about practically every single competitive video game in existence where players have used third party programs to research frame data? Aren't you technically "cheating" by looking at another player's replays and using their strategies? It's all arbitrary bullshit.

There is no code of ethics in practicing. You use whatever is available to get better, from there as long as you play legitimately in your actual runs you're fine.

>>14586629
I don't know how it works but i assume that it lets you practice freely? It is kind of scrubby but i wouldn't call it cheating, specially since i'm pretty sure that you get a better experience watching replays and playing the photography games.

>>14586641
>>14586643
Whatever losers.

>>14586660
I guess you didn't understand my reply, i said that using a program like that won't teach you anything other than memorization which is stupid since there are many methods to gather actual experience in a less scrubby way. Is like how in LoLK you get infinite tries but you won't learn anything other than how the pattern behaves, you'll get much more experience trying to capture the pattern in legacy practice mode.

>>14586624
The hitbox patch actually is cheating, because it's explicitly showing information that isn't intended to be exactly/obviously known to the player.

If you disagree, consider this. Imagine a graphics patch that would show the future path of every bullet on screen. It's only a graphics edit, it's not changing the mechanics or patterns, you still have to do all the dodging, and it's not even showing any information that technically isn't already available (since you can project a bullet's path from it's position and current speed, or from having memorized patterns, and so on). However, that would clearly make the game much easier, and would obviously be cheating. The hitbox patch is no different, just on a smaller scale.

As for the trainer, you could argue that the game wasn't designed to let you practice a given spell without doing the stage up to that point, but it's not as clear-cut. I, the anon asking for help with Cranberry Trap originally, don't feel right using something like that, so I'll struggle through doing it legitimately. However, I don't think a legit clear of the stage is diminished by exactly how the practice was done.

>>14586684
Thanks, I guess.

>>14586684
I do understand what you are saying, however i don't understand what part of innacurate and unessesary you didn't understand.
Is innacurate because that's what it is. The hitbox patch doesn't represent with accuracy where your hitbox is supossed to be, the point of having a visible hitbox is to get more precise dodging which gets completly null if the hitbox is not represented accurately. It will only give you a false sense of security when micrododging, and speaking of micrododging it trails to my second point.
It is unnesesary because none of the patterns in EoSD requires precise dodging unlike in latter entries of the series, the patterns are based more arround quick reaction and repositioning, alternating between focused and unfocused movements. There are only two stances in the whole game where the hitbox patch becomes somewhat useful: in the spambooks in stage 4 in Lunatic and when trying to capture Scarlet Gensokyo in Lunatic.
Patching your game will only end up with it having an innacurate and unessesary representation of your hitbox

And about the trainer, i can't really speak for it since i don't know how it works, but as i already said it is kind of scrubby.

>scrubby
>shameful
Prestige in Touhou is meaningless, it's a personal game for 99% of people. The remaining 1% are the scorerunners.

>>14586759
>it's a personal game for 99% of people
It is, that's why i said it scrubby and shameful because that's how "I" would feel if the only reason why i beated the game or extra or whatever was because i used trainer. If you don't care about that, that's fine, i just shared my opinion about it. Because even thought technically is not cheating you are still using a trainer, and as i said before you get much more experience trying to survive in real runs than drilling the same pattern over and over again.
At that point is not fun anymore for me.

>>14586759
Those for whom it is a truly personal game would not be posting in a thread such as this.

>>14586778
Okay, I have no objections then.

>>14586806
Not isolatingly personal like that, just personal enough.

playing more than one credit of a game during your lifetime is cheating

>>14586817
Forgive me, it appears my language was too forward for this high-class establishment to allow. Imagine I said instead:

Apparently not personal enough.

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I'm sorry.

>>14586902
If you're just going to use practice mode to get a quick screenshot, why do Hard and not Lunatic?

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>>14586911
I thought ahead.

>>14586879
What I mean is, you can play the game however you want, because no one cares about you.

>>14586958
Whatever loser.

>>14578896
Gensokyo Replay Archive. But not if you want WR replays.

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Do you make backups of your game data /jp/? I never bothered backing up but my hard drive has been doing a clicking noise lately which is supossedly a sign of a dying hardrive. That's why i decided to backup all my touhou game data along some other archives since i don't want to lose them, but probably i'm just being paranoic.
Remember to backup your treasured memories.

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>>14587004
Are you talking about this site? I can only find DDC replays if I search for "th14" or "DDC" in the name field, and can't find anything when I search "th15" or "LoLK".

>>14587715
I did once when the Touhou facebook page said the demo play overwrites your save data in 15.

>>14587715
You aren't being paranoid, hard drives can fail without warning signs. Can you invest in a second hard drive and backup software? I just make a backup every Sunday.

>>14588242
The demo makes its own data folder in your "appdata" folder if i remember correctly. Something similar happened to me with SA, i got the bug that "overwrites" some of your data and locks the extra stage again even if you 1cc'd the game before. Apparently it happened for changing the location of the game folder but i'm not sure. Had to clear the game many times again.

>>14588825
Yeah, i should invest in an external or second hard drive. Thankfully i had some disposable memory lying arround to backup what i needed. At least if something happens i'll be prepared.

>>14586778
>you get much more experience trying to survive in real runs than drilling the same pattern over and over again.
>At that point is not fun anymore for me.
Seriously. I noticed this playing LoLK; the pointdevice mechanic seems like it makes the game easier on the surface, but it actually sends you into an un-fun grindy hell spiral when you fuck up. It actually made me worse at the game.

I haven't played LoLK or ever used trainers (never even knew they existed until recently), but I gotta say I wonder all the time about the problem.

Let me ask everyone: How do you feel when you've been playing a game for years and can basically beat the entire game to some very high standard that you hold to yourself, but there's maybe 2-3 parts which give you so much more trouble than everything else.

Bombing through cards that you can't capture consistently feels so...bad. It makes that segment of the game non-interactive or virtually non-interactive depending on safe you want to do your bombing protocol. It also makes it so you don't even get any practice/experience that run.

>>14589686
Well, most people don't have set standards and are happy playing and suddenly managing something they never did before, like capturing a hard spellcard or passing a really hard stage section without bombing or dying. Personally i like playing practice mode in single stages and try to perfect them, not because there is a possibility of me doing it in a run but because is fun for me. I agree with you that bombing in a hard spellcard feels kind of bad and i die a lot trying to capture spellcards because i refuse to bomb. It depends of the person, some people bomb the moment they see a hard spellcard without trying before, and even if this practice is bad for the most part, there are moments where this is useful, like in blind runs.

>>14586902
>>14586925
Now make a nude mod.

>>14589916
Yeah, I didn't mean to over emphasize the "very high standard" part. Even beating the game on hard (with continues) or doing a 1cc on normal is asking more from yourself compared to other games.

I'm sort of assuming though most people are like me in that they have a "goal" they want to meet in order to consider the game "finished" for them (even if they aren't literally shelving the game afterwards).

But the process of working towards that goal usually results in this problem of becoming super polished at most of the game (again, 'super polished' being entirely relative that wherever you placed your goalposts), while a few isolated parts are incredibly likely to kill you.

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>>14590054
As far as I'm concerned, that's just part of the game. Sure, there are people good enough to do no-bomb runs, but if you're not one of them, then bombs are there to take care of those parts that would otherwise just run you over. It's not a problem unless you're going for perfecting the game.

Pic related, it's me.

>>14542822
Guys, I just googled "チルノのパーフェクトさすう教室 - Cirno's Perfect Math Class ENGLISH SUB"

and I got this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3S3eK0B_LU
video result on Youtube.

Can anyone explain to me what Cirno is doing here? She looks different....

>>14590054
>I'm sort of assuming though most people are like me in that they have a "goal" they want to meet in order to consider the game "finished" for them

I guess most people do, however it almost always end with people reaching for more and never completly finishing it. First people strive to get a single 1cc and consider that they are finished, but then you want to 1cc every game, you get them but now you want to clear an extra, then every extra, then you want hard 1ccs, lunatic 1ccs then come the challenges like NBL, NMNBL, NBNVL and scoring.

Personally i don't think is healty obsessing with finishing "completly" something because the ride never ends, though it's only natural to strive for more.
What i'm trying to say is that personal challenges are fine but don't obsess with them too much, there is a clear boundary between dedication and obsession.

Story about using bombs:

Just the other day I was playing a new Touhou game. So on one run I notice that I'm doing well. I'm getting farther than I've been before with the same amount lives. But this run had earlier screwups in places that weren't that difficult. This meant that I also felt that the run was "below average" up until the point I made progress later.

If I should have felt good about that progress, I didn't feel it for whatever reason. I couldn't help but compare how I felt in my previous run that ended literally minutes before. I felt great about that run even without as much progress.

There was another clear difference: my "better" run barely wasted any lives that had bombs in stock, while the run that I was "happier" about used bombs only as necessary. I don't actually consider myself as aligned with either camp either. But at that moment it become clear that my brain is not going to release serotonin or whatever to make me feel good if I get past something using a bomb (or maybe 'too many' bombs).

It makes me believe it is stupid to design bombs this way. If I was the designer, bombs would not make you invicibile, and they wouldn't clear the screen. I wonder if even having them deal tons damage is a mistake. A better design would be like a temporary "safety shield": it only lasts X seconds (very short) and can only can take Y number of hits. There's no reason you couldn't tune the values so that a couple of these "shields" can trivialize spell cards just as much as using a couple bombs, but the benefit of this design is that it asks you to keep playing.

Since these shields don't remove bullets, the core gameplay doesn't have to come to a screeching halt when you use one and wait for it to wear out. And since you aren't infinitely invincibile, you are encouraged to keep trying to dodge to get more damage out of each use. Finally, it doesn't fuck up your practice. You will learn the patterns as the same rate with or without the shield. It also becomes obvious when you've improved and don't need to use them anymore.

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Len'en

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>>14589203
I mean when you stay on the main menu for about 20 seconds, that demo.

>>14592954
Well, that's just plain silly.

>>14592954
>>14592982
It was patched a while ago, you know. Still silly.

>>14592992
I know, made a copy of the folder before the patch to be safe.

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Nobody else seems to think that this game is difficult. Why? Setting aside LoLK, I'd say it has the second-hardest stage 5 and the hardest final boss of any Windows game. And yes, I've cleared it, and yes, the screen-flipping cards actually aren't that bad, but it's still a frustratingly difficult game.

>>14593205
Are we talking about normal mode? because the game gives you a lot of resources and is not really difficult unless you are using Sakuya B and that's only because inchling path and some nonspells are very RNG dependant and Sakuya B can't take them down fast or dodge them consistently unlike Reimu B/ Marisa A. In hard and Lunatic Kagerou becomes a high difficulty spike.

>>14593339
Yeah, normal.
>the game gives you a lot of resources
Sure, but then I burn through most of my bombs during stage 4, and then lives during stage 5, and so end up at Shinmyoumaru with only three, maybe four lives left. That was just doable with every other shot type, but for SakuyaB I'm lucky to even get to You Grow Bigger, let alone through it. Not only is the fight hard, but she basically has to perfect it.

>>14593400
>Sure, but then I burn through most of my bombs during stage 4, and then lives during stage 5
Maybe you just suck?

>>14593400
> but then I burn through most of my bombs during stage 4, and then lives during stage 5

Well, you are supossed to use your bombs randomly, remember that there are certain spots for you to be able to get life pieces eficiently, for example, with Sakuya B in stage 5 you can make arround three or two extra lives just in the stage, same with stage 6 and unless you are dying in every single spellcard your resources are plenty.

>>14593530
*not supossed

>>14586643
>playing the photography games
Sure, have fun.

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>>14587715
My score.dat and replays are all synced to MEGA, no worries here.

>>14593502
Yeah, no shit, but I can still compare relative difficulties. Clearing SA with Alice and Nitori was easier by far.

>>14593561
Thanks, i will, i don't know what are trying to imply honestly.

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>>14594478

Should I feel bad for using overpowered shottypes to beat higher difficulties?

>>14594795
No.

>>14594795
Yes.

>>14594795
Maybe.

>>14594795
I don't know.

>>14563058
>Also, are you playing in moon on purpose, or do you not know about thcrap?
What?

>>14595287
I noticed that you're playing in Japanese, and since you seem new to the game, I wanted to make sure you were doing that because you speak moon and not because you didn't know how to use the translation-patching tool 'thcrap'.

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>>14594787
You won't go far if you give up so easily.

>>14595367
You forgot to mention the DRM aspect, anon. It seems translations come with a price these days.

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>>14595474
What in the actual ever-loving fuck are you talking about?

We need Touhou on Steam to save it from dying to boatgirls and Degica.

>>14595489
thcrap

>>14595494

No.

>>14594787
you're just not talented m8

>>14594787
That's not even the hardest spellcard in the game lmao.

>>14595783
Which ones are harder?

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>>14595834
8-7 is the hardestscene to capture if you have memorized things and have an ounce of reading/dodging ability (i can cap every scene almost every time aside from 8-7)

9-6 is really easy just to capture, i honestly don't understand where this reputation comes from. even when I was at "barely 1ccs lunatic" level i could cap it every other try and now i can cap it 10 times in a row no problem. question is tho why the fuck would you wanna? the challenge lies in taking good photos, taking bad photos makes aya sad and disappointed in you

wch 2hu wud u fug?

>>14596647
yor mom lmao

>>14595496
The program is open-source and in the public domain, and the translations it uses are freely available and editable on a wiki. I gather that the people who run the project are faggots, but that's no reason to make up stupid shit to keep people from using it. And not only is it a fine utility, it's your only choice for playing in English post-TD.

>>14597077
Whoa there dude, there is not reason to act super defensive over some software for a doujin vidoe game, i mean, nobody is paying you to shill it and you are doing it for free, right? Don't be a hothead dude.

>>14597077
You seem a tad bit upset over people not using software you like.

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>>14597217
There's no need to make false accusations just to prevent people from playing a game in their native language. Unless you think anyone who doesn't speak Japanese is a secondary, in which case you take your 'purity' and fuck off back to the moon.

>>14597252
On the contrary, it seems like that anon was upset at others using software he doesn't like for no apparent reason, by shitposting about DRM, which makes no sense. I was merely laying out the facts, to the best of my knowledge. If you're aware of another way to play the latest games in English, by all means, use it and let people know. And if you don't need a translation at all, good for you. I was just honestly trying to help that one new player.

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>>14597265
Even so, a new player also doesn't know the many caveats and negative aspects of thcrap, and you're doing him no favor by refusing to acknowledge them.

>>14597309
>the many caveats and negative aspects
I'm honestly not aware of them. If you are, then for everyone's benefit, please explain them, rather than just dismissing it.

>>14596403
9-3 is a difficulty spike for a lot of people because they have to learn dodging on the spot. I agree it's easy to capture once you have the skill.

>>14596403
Coming from someone who 1cc all games on normal and a few extra clears at the time, 8-7 wasn't all that difficult for me. It may be one of the more difficult streams, but in the end it is still a stream and thus not too hard to manage. 9-7 is only difficult until the final shot. Before that it's easy to deal with.

>>14595834
BoWaP.

>>14596619
Scoring is for aspies.

How do I beat Shou's curved lazers?

>>14597915
Learn to predict the curvature.
That's it.

>>14597861
aspies are superior to normeis

>>14597977
normies drive society
aspies leech off society

ergo normies > aspies

>your favourite 2hu game
>are you secondary

UFO yes

>>14598271
SA
yea

>>14598271
SA
No

>>14598271
Subterranean Animism; no.

>yes
That's a little redundant, anyone who's actually played it would know how awful the UFO mechanic is.

>>14598271
EoSD/LLS

no

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>>14598317
picrelated its literaly you

>>14598309
>>14598296
>>14598291
>liking lolk 1.0

>>14598353
Uh? I don't know what you are trying to say honestly.

>>14598358
I'll bite. What does that even mean?

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I want to go for a future run in which I capture more spells with this shot. Hmm.

>>14598271
in
yea

>>14598271

IN
no

>>14598396
the scrub is complaining about the difficulty

>>14598631
But LoLK is easy as fuck.

>>14598648
Show me your LNMB clear.

>>14598652
Why?

>>14598664
Why not?

>>14598671
Because it has nothing to do with my previous statement.

>>14598671
Because he clearly doesn't have one.

>>14598686
Why should he?

>>14598652
only if you show me your score

>>14598693
Why shouldn't he? LoLK is easy as fuck, remember?

>>14598631
>>14598648
Not even ZUN thinks LoLK is easy; Subterranean Animism isn't even that hard aside from a couple specific parts. There's too much bait flying around here.

>>14598700
>This game is easy
>Lol show me your blindfolded run done with one hand and without focus
This is how you sound

>>14598702
How is it not easy?
You can restart after every death and still complete the game.

>>14598708
Nobody said that thought, he just asked for a LNMB clear, that's a standart for challenge runs, specially for easy entries like MoF, PCB and uh LoLK, remember?

>>14598713
Not only that, but Legacy Mode also showers you with lives and bombs. If you want a simple 1cc, then you can get it with some crazy resource management.

>>14598715
challenge runs != base game
With that logic any game can be hard if you don't do X

>>14598741
But anon, that game is easy as fuck, come on buddy! i'm pretty sure that challenge runs are nothing because is super easy like you said. Nobody asked you for a Non vertical run, nor a no-focus run, nobody asked you for something nearly impossible, LoLK is not a hard game, remember?
The only thing you have to do is not missing!

>>14598757
Did I trigger your autism?

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>>14598766
No, but i see that you can't handle the banter and go for the "autism" response when you have nothing to say. Good for you anon!

>>14598781
Handle what? your pathetic tantrum?
As I've already said, you can't start comparing the difficulty of any game if you use shitty "challenges" in order to delude yourself.

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>>14598787
Sorry anon, i don't want to fight anymore since you are getting pretty mad and you clearly don't have any challenge runs. Should i say "did i trigger your atism" like you said, just to end the conversation?

>>14598271
LoLK
No

>>14598806
You should say "I'm a beta fag and also a bad loser"

>>14598271
Who are you quoting?

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I want to 1cc EoSD on lunatic with ReimuA but I'm having trouble with the early stages. It turns out I need dozens of restarts just to get past Meiling without deaths, but if I ever do, I make it at least to Remilia. Last time I had a gameover on Scarlet Gensokyo, then spent an hour unable to get past Meiling again. All these restarts are very tiring. I tried shrugging it off but my performance gets worse with each early miss or bomb. Is this normal, or am I just not yet ready for lunatic?

>>14598825
Whom*

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>>14598829
IMO you're definitely ready, considering you made it to Scarlet Gensokyo. Just keep your chin up and don't give up!

>>14598829
>All these restarts are very tiring. I tried shrugging it off but my performance gets worse with each early miss or bomb.
I can only speak for myself, but yeah, that sounds about right. Do a few attempts at a time and then either take a break, or try the next day. Working yourself up and getting frustrated won't help.

>>14598812
We all can see that you are anon, have a good night!

>>14598862
good night loser

>We

>>14598884
>You

>>14598889
>He

>>14598884
>>14598889
Who are you two quoting?

>>14598897
>>14598830

>>14598897
>She
>>14598895

>>14598842
>>14598848
Thank you! I'll spread my practice out and stay motivated.

>considering you made it to Scarlet Gensokyo
To be honest, it sounds better than it really was like. I was on my last life and my last bomb, so I knew I was dead long before.

>>14598900
who*

http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/whoVwhom.asp

>>14598938
https*

>>14598682
Okay, your previous "statement"? You can't defend a faulty statement. It turns out you had a specific standard in mind which you hadn't at all communicated, so naturally I assumed the most rigorous one instead, viz. the LNMB challenge. It was quite a funny one on my part, because, to my knowledge which may be outdated, only one person in the world has managed that. You've also misused hyperbole in >>14598708 once again disrespecting clarity in favour of being "right." If you had any intent of having a productive argument, you would not have held back your meaning behind irrelevant taunts. Having said all that, I agree that LoLK isn't too bad with proper resource management.

>>14599663
Don't even bother man, just let him be.

>>14599663
More than 1 person has LNMNB'd LoLK. I know of 2 (Gobou and a player named HNY).

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>>14599663
>You'll never be this assblasted

>>14600850
Please don't misuse the quoting feature.

>>14599663
post scores?

What if the games kept the HRTP gameplay and expanded on it?