/lang/ - language learning

Broke ur combo :^)

>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.
>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

https://forvo.com
>Has pronunciation for lots of words in lots of languages

http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

LANGUAGE-SPECIFIC IMAGE GUIDES/WALKTHROUGHS:

>Arabic
https://i.imgur.com/GaPEIBr.png

>Farsi
https://i.imgur.com/zAN5eMU.png

>Finnish
https://i.imgur.com/thYqRE9.png

>French
https://i.imgur.com/UpCEFWl.png

>German
https://i.imgur.com/ZTrFFlB.png
https://i.imgur.com/CzpgmUP.png

>Irish
https://i.imgur.com/OR95Lah.jpg

>Japanese
https://i.imgur.com/Ur8PzMZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/InA8n4n.png

>Mandarin (traditional characters)
https://i.imgur.com/mNvOu9i.png

>Russian
https://i.imgur.com/zhwCKlo.png

>Spanish
https://i.imgur.com/AKboS8t.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IQW5sKT.png

>Swedish
https://i.imgur.com/zjjjxct.png

>Turkish
https://i.imgur.com/IgPQdj8.jpg

>>79075612
delet

Anyone learn a language solely through immersion? Just chuck yourself into a foreign culture for a year or so?

>>79075694
Got any of them Portuguese guides?

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>>79076073
gonna make a conlang out of this

>>79076139
didn't mean to @ anyone

>>79076073
That will never work. Just listen to people speaking and you won't get it. You're not a newborn child. It's complete gibberish to you.

>>79076126
Follow the Spanish one and mix it with the first step of the French one (learning the nasal sounds). Join the Discord if you want natives to help you.

>>79076192
But hat has worked before though. You just have to actually try and really put an effort to it.

>>79076139
It'll never work, I can already tell because of my own conlang

>>79076350
what's the main reason why?

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Is it just me or is Ethnologue a reall bad source?

Not only that, but it would seem that they've gone full jew and now hide their content behind a paywall (even though it's extremely easy to bypass using Google Cached, at least for the time being).

>>79076375
you drew your squiggly line slightly wrong in the top right one

>>79076395
>reall
really

>>79076399
LOL

>>79076205
Thanks, got a link for the discord?

>>79076510
https://discord.gg/9EMAAef

>>79076217
>>79076192
Yeah I mean how else would we really connect with other tribes and people at first?

>>79076617
why do you have a discord for a thread on 4chan?

>>79079278
Because language discussion benefits from easy chatting with other people doing the same or similar things. This thread was dying early long before the discord, at least this way some people can keep a steady stream going.

>120 cards to study
>50 min left of the day

>>79079678
Anki starts the "day" whenever you want it to. It's in your settings. I have my start-of-day set to 9am.

>>79079901
I know, I used to have the day start at 4am but I reset it to midnight to force myself to form good habits.

I'll bump this for you guys

I will bump as well.

Our guy Paul made a new video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfxf4pV-zJg

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>two months in
>couldn't understand basically any of the Spanish in Narcos S3E1 last night.

>>79085531
And you won't. They talk fast and there's a mixture of accents. Go with something easier, two months is nothing.

>>79085594
I'm watching it anyways and was just hoping to be able to understand some bits. I basically got nothing.

There doesn't seem to be anything easy really. I've tried some movies too but everything is extremely fast for me still.

You think in 6 months watching media would be more fruitful?

>>79085691
It's impossible to put a time on that my man. It depends on what resources you're using and how fast you learn.
You should start watching shows for kids though. Doesn't the BBC have one for Spanish? The German one was priceless. Antonesco (or something like that) got himself into some serious shit trafficking drugs man. You should watch that.
He also talks to the security dude.

Why do all native English speakers say things like "there's people" all the time? Shouldn't it be "there are people"

>>79085796
In fact everyone should watch it even if they're not interested in learning German. It's some The Wire level stuff.

Sitcom to learn German - subtitled: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq0sxgS3gD9D3iNoMH2lLXB6wx18Xgwi8

>>79085796
I'll see what I can torrent, thanks

>>79085800
'People' is a singular noun.

But, yes, most confuse singular and plural nouns
very often.

>>79086252
That's not correct anon.

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>>79083725
I didn't even know why we write coïncidence like this, interdasting.

>>79086252
Not many people use the plural "peoples" so in most forms of modern English, people can be both singular or plural but is usually plural.

>>79086437
'People' is singular, 'peoples' is plural.

>>79086939
It's called 'dieresis'. Americans used to do too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiatus_(linguistics)

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>>79087040
>>79086437
Both are acceptable in modern English, depending on context. And even then there's things like >>79085800 where I'd argue both are correct.

Wow I was about to say that's an exception bc I assumed since you're not anglophone, but no, sorry for making assumptions, you're correct. 'People' can be singular in certain contexts but yeah that isn't one.

It's just become vernacular because it's quicker. "There's a lot of people" flows better than "There're a lot of people" (or "there are") but in in formal written English you'd say that there are

>>79087040
Then why don't you say "people is tall" instead of "people are tall"? As far as i know people is a plural noun.

>>79087561
Because 'people' is a collective noun, and although singular, implies a plural.

> The Dutch are a tall people.
is used singularly, and is fine.

>>79085691
Go for 18 months

How do I get rid of my accent? I know I have one but can't tell what I'm pronouncing weirdly.

>>79088667
Why would you want to get rid of your accent? Keep it.

>>79088725
Because sometimes people ask me if I'd prefer to speak English.

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>>79088667
Protip: you can't. People usually like the accents though, I've met a lot of native english people that would like to have one (a non-native accent).

http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/Russian

For those learning Russian, don't forget to chech this page, especially Pushkin's Institute, as it has the most complete course online for free. I even dare to say that it's the best online course of any language out there.
Already on the B1 course, let me know if you have questions

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who /CoffeeBreak/ here?
Would recommend if you're a Pimsleur fan
get to listen to a cute Scottish learner
https://radiolingua.com/

>>79089223
Does DuoLingo use Pimsleur?

>>79088472
That long huh? Thanks.

>>79089223
I'm so loaded with tools right now. Think that would be worthwhile after finishing Pimsleur? Or would it start to basic?

>>79089433
No. Duolingo is its own thing.

>>79089463
well you can try jump in later, don't know if it gets as advanced but each episode has a description so you'll know if you've already learnt that.

>>79089482
Oh I thought Pimsleur was a technique and not a brand/thing.

>>79089104
What about all those non-native speakers who are accent free?

>>79089642
They always have some. But if you want to improve, talk more, listen to yourself and try to change how you say certain sounds.

>>79089596
Maybe you are thinking of spaced repetition? Pimsleur didn't develop that but they use it. Duolingo doesn't really use spaced repetition either since it doesn't hold you to a certain pace. To use spaced repetition with what you learn on Duolingo you can enter the terms into Anki or Quizlet which have long term learning/spaced repetition algorithms

Anyone else here starting to study Valyrian on duolingo?
Is this the new Klingon??

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>>79091591
Kek. Not me. Just watched the finale it's really gone downhill. Still a fun show though don't care what anyone says. I miss those comfy Hound and Arya scenes though.

>>79089642
>>79090044
I can't find examples of foreigners speaking with a native accent off the top of my head, but I can think of plenty English people who successfully changed their accent. Thatcher, Stephen Fry, Ian Richardson, ... presumably, while it may have been easier for them, it's the same principle, and it should be achievable with enough effort. Elocution lessons would be best.

>>79085691
>everything is extremely fast for me still.
Yeah, Spanish is spoken quite fast even general, apparently about four syllables per second on average, compared to the English two. Not to mention that if it's fucking narcos they're probably not the pinnacle of enunciating clearly and using proper Spanish without slang. Argentina's right about shows aimed towards kids as a starting point; Disney movies can often be not brain-crushing and yet aren't too bad with the dialectical stuff most of the time, and shouldn't be too tough to find with subtitles, if you like those.

>>79091352
>>79089596
no, he's right. The Pimsleur method was a fade in the '70s. My father briefly had it in his first German class in college. It's where they never show the learners written material and simply do verbal lessons and labs; he said the Professor gave up on it halfway through the semester

>>79092856
Thanks, I'll look for some Spanish Disney.

>>79093229
That would be worthless for me. Pimsleur I have to supplement with flashcards or my progress moves at snail pace. Michel Thomas is probably better for no written material since he explains concepts.

>>79093296
it's a gimmick that Rosetta Stone's pseudoscience eventually evolved from. The idea that trying to mimicking early language acquisition, like that of a child learning their mother tongue, makes any sense for an adult and should be copied for efficiency

>>79093403
Pimsleur pushes me to learn what is covered, but the actual lessons don't teach me as much as they should imo. For me it ends up being Listen 1 == the lecture, then I study, then Listen 2 == The Test, most of the time.

>>79085800
Why do native Spanish speakers say things like "habían tres niños" and "habrán accidentes" all the time, instead of Standard & Correct "había tres niños" and "habrá accidentes"? It's the same thing.

It's just an example of there being more than one way of saying the same thing, with different connotations. "There's people" is less formal, more colloquial than "there are people".

Note it doesn't just apply to "people" but to any plural noun: "there's three boys playing on the sand", "there's many men who think that", "there's problems in the code you wrote". You can replace "there's" in all these examples with "there are" if you want.

Periscope is a cool resource for listening practice.

Countries are stupidly stereotypical though. Everyone in the UK is fat and ugly, everyone in France is an arab or black, americans are all fat and/or black, there are no women in the middle east, Russia/Ukraine has a lot of jailbait and ugly/scary men.

It's fun just checking out the globe like with the radiogarden.

>>79095359
kek, I'm not even surprised

bumping bc this is actually really useful and helpful

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In this order

>>79095359
Is my door likely to be kicked in if I'm American and learning Russian with it?

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>>79097764
Why does Russia have such a low GDP?

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>>79095359
Spain and Argentina have some wins. Gotta search for them though.

>>79098950
Because your country's press is describing Russia as a ghastly monster

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>>79099100
>can't make money because the us is bullying you

Does anybody know Quebec French here?

Is "(tu) vas" pronounced differently from "(il) va"?

Is the passé simple "(tu) aimas" also pronounced differently from "(il) aima"? And which "a" sound does the imparfait du subjonctif "(qu'il) aimât" have?

I know I wouldn't have this problem if I studied the French language of France, but that's not what I'm aiming at.

>>79100252
can't help for your first question (tu vas / il va, since i don't know too much about quebec french, in standard french they're pronounced the same though i'm pretty sure), but the second and third concern literary tenses / forms, so their pronunciation shouldn't be too different from the french one.
if this : https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Annexe:Conjugaison_en_fran%C3%A7ais/aimer is accurate, then aimas / aima /aimât should all have the same vowel sound for the 'a' in them.

>>79100252
I can't help you either, but interestingly
>aimât
could be pronounced differently in a old/posh accent, in the way that
>patte
>pâtes
could differ. The â would be lower and longer. Pronouncing it that way, in Europe at least, will out you as an insufferable cunt.

>>79100252
>Is "(tu) vas" pronounced differently from "(il) va"?
No, both are pronounced as a mid central vowel.

>Is the passé simple "(tu) aimas" also pronounced differently from "(il) aima"?
No, but keep in mind that passé simple is absolutely never used in spoken language or normal communicative language of any sort. It's strictly used in litterature, with only a couple of exceptions (for example, people might use something like "dit-il" as a bit of an idiom). And since Québec French is for the most part a spoken language, the question isn't really all that applicable to Québec French. When talking about passé simple, it works exactly the same in Québec as it does in France, since it's something learned "artificially" in school and litterature.

>And which "a" sound does the imparfait du subjonctif "(qu'il) aimât" have?
Same remark here. The imparfait du subjonctif is a strictly literary tense, except it's even rarer than the passé simple. The average Québécois has never once ever used that tense in any scenario, let alone in a spoken scenario. The only tense which is rarer than the imparfait du subjonctif is the plus-que-parfait du subjonctif. Therefore, the â in "aimât" is simply a standard French "a".

>>79102842
Seconded, was going to answer but this guy covered it pretty well.

This probably get asked a lot, but what does everyone think of Duolingo? I've seen a pretty considerable amount of people on both sides arguing it either being the best thing ever or overrated crap. Any Duolingo users here can say for sure whether or not it has been worth their time?

>>79103986

In my opinion it's great for playing with languages and for messing around with when you have a spare 5 minutes but calling it a supplemental resource is being generous.

What are you learning?

>>79103986
Nobody has a valid argument for saying it's the best thing ever. That said, it can be useful for the first few days or as an extra activity, but it's not a replacement for grammar books or some methods. Do some levels to see if you like the language or not. If you're interested, stop wasting your time and study for real. Unless you actually want to waste time and that's ok.

>>79102842
>>79103322
I know they're not used in spoken language much.
But if you guys had to read a text aloud that used these tenses, which sound of the letter A would you use?
Would you pronounce "il aima", "tu aimas", "qu'il aimât" with the same sound as the last A of "Le Canada"?

>Therefore, the â in "aimât" is simply a standard French "a".
This confuses me because in Quebec French there's basically two standard sounds for the letter A.

Same goes for "j'aimai". Does it have the é sound (like "aimer" and "j'aimerai") or the è sound (like "j'aimais")?

The pronunciation of French conjugated verbs is rather confusing to get right. How come no grammar book or textbook teaches it? Even the reference grammar books expect you to know, and just give you spellings without pronunciations...

>>79103986
It's decent in the early stages of the language if you use it with a grammar book. I found it good for learning vocab.
No need for it once you move to an Intermediate level.

>>79104398
>>79104565
>with the same sound as the last A of "Le Canada"?
If you're talking about "Le Canada" with Quebec French pronounciation [i.e. kanadə], then no. To be more clear, I'll refer to the various vowels by their proper phonetic names, therefore those vowels (aima/aimas/aimât), if read aloud, would be an open front unrounded vowel. This vowel is also the same as the first two a's in "le Canada".

>This confuses me because in Quebec French there's basically two standard sounds for the letter A.
There's actually three:
1) Open front unrounded vowel. This one is the most similar to the "standard" French a (though in reality it actually varies in standard French too, but to keep things simple we'll just say that in French they just use the open central unrounded vowel). This vowel is the one used in the first two a's in "Canada", and is similar to the English 'a' in "hat".
2) Open back unrounded vowel. This one is similar to the English "aw". It can be long (for example, the â in pâtes) or short (for example, the a in "dard"). Note that it can also be represented with a different letter, for example the 'o' in "dors" (present indicative conjugation of "dormir"). Therefore, "dort" and "dard" are pronounced the same in Quebec French.
3) Mid central vowel (a.k.a. schwa). This is similar to the 'a' in the English "above". It's often used at the end of words, for example the last 'a' in "Le Canada", "pas", "là", "va" [present indicative conjugation of "aller"], etc. It can also be represented by other letters, for example the 'o' in "ordre". It's also commonly used in anglicisms in lieu of various vowels, for example the 'o' in "stop".

>Same goes for "j'aimai". Does it have the é sound (like "aimer" and "j'aimerai") or the è sound (like "j'aimais")?
é, but in France they'll often mispronounce it as è

>>79104336
>>79104232
>>79104232
French, and yeah I would never substitute it for actual study, I figure at best it helps new learners become familiar with the language and gives them a guideline of what to study, or it can be used to test your knowledge

>>79103986
As everyone else said its a great starting tool. Teaches you some grammar but you'd be better with a book to use alongside it.

>>79075602
euskera has literally nothing to do with breton

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Burada kimse türkçedeki radiyonu duyuyor mu? Looking for good channels on Radio Garden in Turkey (or TRNC).

>>79105806
*radyoyu dinliyor, affedersin

>>79105806
Ey another Turkish learner. I like Fenomen Türk but I suppose it depends on what kind of music you like overall. I find the pop songs are actually slow enough that I can make out and understand a lot of the words.

revive

>>79099100
Yeah, it's different neighborhoods. Like one town 1.5 months, another 2 months, another 4.

>>79110469
Oh, whoops, sorry, wrong thread. Meant to reply to the hurricane thread kek.

I'm currently using Pimsleur to learn Spanish, but I need something for vocab? Should I use that grammar book suggested in the wiki? Or another source? Duolingo is ok but I don't it's teaching me enough. Memrise is alright too. Any suggestions?

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doing my Arabic homework right now

>>79110558
How fast can you write?

>>79105660
>If you're talking about "Le Canada" with Quebec French pronounciation [i.e. kanadə], then no. To be more clear, I'll refer to the various vowels by their proper phonetic names, therefore those vowels (aima/aimas/aimât), if read aloud, would be an open front unrounded vowel. This vowel is also the same as the first two a's in "le Canada".
I find that very surprising. I thought you would say "il aima" like [ilɛmə], as with most final -A's.

Thanks.

>>79110651
slow and pathetic

>>79110952
Noice
Keep it up, you'll get there

>>79110850
Like I said, passé simple is an "artificial" tense as far as Québec French is concerned. And so the way of reading it will be more in line with standard French pronounciation, just like the way of reading classic poetry is unique in French (it has unique rules), and therefore the way a Québécois will likely pronounce classic poetry will be more in line with how a Frenchman would. Same goes for reading a highly technical/scientific text. There are many language registers like those which simply aren't all that compatible with Québec French, and thus when reading them out loud, they'll be done in a much more standard way.

If you have any further questions, I'll be glad to answer them as best I can.

What is your opinion of reading a translated English book in the language you're learning?

I have an e-book version of the first Harry Potter, which I read years ago, in German and was wondering if it would be useful. My concern is that it's a translation, so I imagine there will be a number of Englishisms.

Thoughts?

>>79111222
>so I imagine there will be a number of Englishisms.
I don't think this would be the biggest issue. The biggest issue imo is that translations will often completely change the wording of a sentence in order for it to be more "natural", but you might not pick up on such elements, or at least not very easily.

>>79111103
>Like I said, passé simple is an "artificial" tense as far as Québec French is concerned. And so the way of reading it will be more in line with standard French pronounciation, just like the way of reading classic poetry is unique in French (it has unique rules), and therefore the way a Québécois will likely pronounce classic poetry will be more in line with how a Frenchman would. Same goes for reading a highly technical/scientific text. There are many language registers like those which simply aren't all that compatible with Québec French, and thus when reading them out loud, they'll be done in a much more standard way.
I see. Interesting. I suppose this means that "vous aimâtes" would not have the â sound of "dard", but rather it would rhyme with "la patte". Is this correct?

>>79113156
Correct

What's a good language to learn when you have trouble with pronunciation with anything but English?

>>79115043
I find German to be extremely easy.

>>79075602
Is Italian worth learning considering the amount of dialects? Would it even be useful if I traveled there some day?

>>79115043
Seconding German, you just need to know a couple of sounds like the R.
Also I'm pretty sure Dutch is rather easy to pronounce, and is extremely easy to learn for English speakers.

Can anyone recommend me a naki chinese deck.
I'm on 'spoonfed chinese' but i think i could take two.

or should i just up the daily workload?

>>79115440
>Is Italian worth learning considering the amount of dialects?
yes. i'm pretty sure the whole point of the italian language (and any language in an area with tons of dialects) being standardized is so that people with different dialects as native languages can communicate with each other.
>Would it even be useful if I traveled there some day?
probably

>>79076395
>Ethnologue a reall bad source
Explain it

bump
Keep up your studies pals

I can see how literal translations are fucking shit and why translating isn't just about swapping words to another language.

>"Hi, honey. How was work today?"
In Spanish, literally it would be
>"Hola, miel. ¿Cómo estubo el trabajo hoy?"

Not only NO ONE in any Spanish-speaking country refers to their loved ones as "honey" but that question sounds awkward.
As such, a proper translation would be

>"Hola, cariño. ¿Cómo te fue hoy en el trabajo?"
A literal translation of that would be:
>"Hi, sweetie. How did you do today at work?"
Sounds awkward as fuck, doesn't it?

>>79118466
Estuvo* anon

>>79118466
My favourite is the literal translation of proverbs. Have a few Dutch ones
>Now the monkey comes out of the sleeve
>Make your chest wet
>To stand for pole
>To join in for bacon and beans

What's better? Memrise or anki?

>>79120899
I like anki, never used memrise.

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What does this say

>>79123820
"This is not a thread for translation requests".

>>79095359
tfw you have seen Russian girls as young as 10 stripping nude on periscope

>>79125000
Iktf.

>>79123820
"I am a Chinese person with Parkinson"

You're welcome chingu

I'm reading a book and writing down and looking up every word I don't know, quite a few

>>79125283
Good exercise. What book?

I d-didn't study all weekend, including Labor Day which I also had off work...

I'm slipping away /lang/, I'm a BIG DISAPPOINTMENT ;_;

>>79095359
Sounds interesting but I'm getting cancer from just trying to navigate the site

>>79126717
Study today! I believe in you :)

>>79126854
I'll study for you anon! Thank you!

>>79125000
...

>>79123820
>比想象的还要难为情!!
bi3 xiang3xiang4 de hai2 yao4 nan2wei2qing2
"More embarrassing than I/you/he/she/we/they thought."

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Okay if the amount of terms per day keeps rising I'm not going to be able to keep this up. :o/
Should I start deleting some or moving them out of long term learning?

>>79120899

Memrise is sort of the mac version of Anki. Anki is better but memrise is more convenient when you are just starting.

>>79126783

Use the app.

18 F
I'm actually starting studying romanian today and i'd like to have someone i could talk to.
I also study russian and dutch , but i only need a dutch & romanian friend ( no russians thanks , i know plenty of them that's why)
I can already speak swedish, english spanish and italian.

My kik is Covacovita

>>79076192
It CAN be done, it's just really difficult and requires more dedication than normal language learners have. People have learned each other's languages before without any help at all, most notably when the colonists came in contact with uncontacted tribes in America, Africa, etc. People still do it, linguists who go to live on some Pacific island or in some jungle settlement and learn a completely unresearched language. Read about a girl from Norway who did it just a few years ago.

>>79110558
Palestine is written without the definitve article. Just "فلسطين"

What's the best online resource for arabic?

Just something duolingo-y because i don't have any real intention of learning it.

18 F (male)
Looking for online gf (bf) to study languages, watch anime, and ERP with.

Willing to send pics of feminine vagina (penis).

Msg me if interested ;)

>>79132641
I didnt know omegle is still a thing

>>79132220
>i don't have any real intention of learning it.
Then you won't.

t. learned Arabic intensively for 3 years

But Learn Arabic with Maha is a nice Youtube channel, and I guess Memrise has some courses as well. If you can read it well, you can also "learn" English from Arabic with Duolingo.

>>79075602
Is Duolingo good for French?

>>79133284
The robot voice is horrible but it's a decent way to learn vocabulary in the early stages. Just use a grammar book as well.

>>79130897
Three languages at once? Good luck

Hi /lang/
I am working on German, Russian, and Norwegian.

Anyone else studying these?

>>79134526
We have a few Russian learners and maybe some German as well.

>>79134526
I'm Norwegian, if you have any questions.

Hello /lang/ I want to do a master for which I need to have mastered (to an extent) the biblical forms of Hebrew and Greek. I want to focus on Hebrew first, can people here tell me what they think about learning modern Hebrew first? I kind of like being able to actually speak a language I am learning, it makes learning a lot more fun.

>>79133907
Thank you , i'm on 3 different levels with these languages. So it wouldn't be that hard

>>79134827
tfw dad converted to reform Judaism and says he's going to convert again to orthodox Judaism and he studies biblical Hebrew extensively

jewish music, videos of rabbis droning, and other inane religious shit consume all his free time

d-don't do it anon

tfw my dream job is in an international organization, such as NATO, UN, our Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Generally anything to do with geopolitics. I am already enrolled in BA in history, which will enable me to do a master in International Relations.
A lot of jobs requires English AND French, because the French are fucking lazy arrogant people, fuck them

So now I'm learing French

>>79134952
Well, it is actually for christian religious study, so don't worry I will not go and dance with a wine bottle on my head. I might or might not however plan to end every discussion I ever get in by hitting someone with a bible.

>>79135116
Yes, I made a lot of mistakes in those sentences, I know how to speak English properly, just typing too fast.

>>79135158
Jeg taler godt for dansk for ven

Jeg flytter hurtigt til dit land ja

Du vil elske at have en god amerikansk kæreste snart

<3 <3 <3 ; )

>>79135347
"I speak good for Danish for friend
I move quickly to your country yes
You will love to have a good American bf/gf soon"

Meh

What letters are Le not used, but instead is contracted to L', for example in L'oiseau and L'homme, but it's not in Le Garcon

>>79136453
I think it's before a pronounced vowel. Just like the English "an" instead of "a". Since the H is silent i French, you get l'homme, just as you have "an honour" in English, since the H is silent as well.

>>79136920
I see, that makes sense, thanks.

Does anyone have any recommendations of Chinese children books /TV shows?

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>>79128976
pls advise

Duolingo's Czech course just came out in case you want an introduction to Czech or something

>>79138758
I might czech it out.

>>79138758
I might have to... czech it out : v )

>>79138758
HEY YOU

How is V pronounced in Dutch? Is it fucking [v] or fucking [f] or can it be both?

>>79138788
>>79138797
NICE ONE

>>79138841
Around Rotterdam it's always pronounced like [v] but in some areas it's pronounced like the [f]

>>79139279
What areas? I assume those near the German border?

Can I, as a foreigner, go wrong if I constantly pronounce it [v]?

>>79138841
As a v :^)

>>79139380
[f] is indeed mostly used near the German border but [v] is always accepted as far as i know but i don't leave randstad(the central-western part of the Netherlands where most big cities are) very often so i can't tell for sure

>>79139714
>>79139889
Okay, [v] it is. Dank jullie wel :^D

>>79140046
Niks te danken ;^)
Also as a tip don't go to /Nederdraad/ to learn dutch; most humor there is words purposefully badly translated from English to Dutch

Anyone got a guide to Modern Hebrew?
Tips? Anything?

>>79105806
>türkçedeki radyoyu
you make it like "Turkish" is a place and there is a special kind of radio which people go and listen to it. "Türkçe radyo" would be more suitable, though it's still sliiightly off because radio as a device isn't Turkish, the channels are, everyone will understand you regardless
best way to say it
>Burada Türkçe radyo dinleyen var mı?

as for your question, Kral Pop, Best FM, Power FM, Powerturk, Slowturk etc are the most popular ones I think. some of them like Best FM do talk shows at mornings and evenings when everyone is commuting (07-08.00 and 17-19.00 in GMT +3). spotify is better if you only want to listen to music though

>>79140183
>most humor there is words purposefully badly translated from English to Dutch
Kek, /Norgetråden/ is exactly the same

>>79140711
tfw no /danskertråden/ and when we finally have one, it gets killed by that anime spamposting neckbard faggot

>>79140821
Come to us, Danes are welcome there

>>79140821
dont worry /norgetråden/ is retarded

some dude posting his lunch and some other guy failing at getting a prostitute to end his virginity

nothing of value.

I'm watching videos on youtube in German with subtitles. I have to pause on literally every frame to read through it fast enough. Should I not be doing this right now? Any tips?

>>79075694
Why are the walkthroughs for German will shit?

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>>79135116
let's Get Ready to Rumble!

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>>79143921
part 2

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>>79143964
part 3

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>>79144015
part 4

Is Spanish better than English?

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>>79144066
part 5

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>>79144113
part 6/6
>>79144076
in what sense?

>>79143921
>>79143964
>>79144015
>>79144066
>>79144113
>>79144207
Thank you, will check it out tomorrow.

Finishing a few more courses on duolingo, then heading to bed. Job interview tomorrow, gl me

English: speak, speaks
Spanish: hablo, hablas, habla, hablamos, habláis, hablan
Japanese: はなす
>memers will say that the second one is easier

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>>79144308
i only do my job

>>79144207
>in what sense?
As a language, which is better?

>>79144803
Depends what you want to accomplish with that language. Do you plan or working in either country? Do you have any particular interest in either country? Pick the one that's most useful to you. You can't learn a language just for the sake of it, you'll have to have some motivation and desire to learn it.

Anyone interested in a question/answer bank for uni level German oral examination?

Why is german so fucking retarded with its massiva amount of pronouns? FUCK.

Should I get one of these for German? Which one?
>>>/t/746369

>>79146760
senpai, all languages with cases have many pronouns, but they follow a regular patron since you are declining a word

>>79141236
seems like a good exercise, all exposure is good exposure

lingvist is shit

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This hurricane is really getting in the way of my language learning.

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Can anyone translate this comment i got on my instagram?
Its japanese I believe.

>>79151270
stay safe

>>79144660
hablo is actually "i speak"
"hablas" and "hablais" are both "you speak" (the latter is plural)
the rest are 3rd person

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>>79151316
Thanks. Hopefully it weakens and misses. If it direct hits I'll be worried about more than getting behind in my Pimsleur.

>>79151458
Stay safe man. What are you studying anyway?

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>>79151270
Switch to learning Merfolk. I hear it's a language with a lot of depth.

>>79151575
Thanks. Spanish. I'm the only white guy in Miami so need to learn it. Just started two months ago. I've been getting in about 1.5-2 hours per day, sometimes more, but not sure how well I'm picking it up but I'm sure trying hard. I get a bit anxious getting behind in my lessons and then I'll have all these review cards stacked up...

>>79151704
kek, thanks.

>>79151290
"It's lovely"

Korean is a horrible nightmare language that makes no sense. Sure, it's strange and beautiful and I still find it very interesting, but it makes no sense.

>Some verbs / pronunciations / whatever are irregular and must be memorized.
Sure, can you tell me which ones they are?
>Here are 3.
But how many are there? How do I know? How do I find out?
>I dunno lol

Every grammar I find says something like this. Maybe I'll find something in Korean to help me out, but I'm not holding my breath.

How do I get the motivation to practice for a significant amount of time daily?

>What language are you learning?
H-high Valirian

>Throw in 30 new cards in one day
I think I overdid it, I feel like this is having effect on my previous learned things too

>>79155874
Get discipline instead

>>79155890
Nigga why

>>79075694

I heard that learning german depends only from knowing where to put verb at the beginning or at the end

Why English is so hard?
Please tell me how to master it, I have terrible problems with lerning grammar

I have a question; is /polska/ decent at all for learning Polish? or is it like some other generals where it's just purposefully poorly translated english words?

>>79135116
You better be /polack/ who intends to troll un from within

>>79160638
Looks good to me

>>79161337
Not /polack/ but I do frown upon most government agencies. Anyway, geopolitics are the most interesting subject in existence, so that's where my career is heading

This question is probably more about linguistics than language learning, but let's imagine a situation where you are native in every modern, currently spoken language on the planet. If you wanted to read a book that was originally written in Latin, is there an "ideal" modern language in which you would want to read the book?

>>79098950

Because Russia is poor, Russian economy is underdeveloped and outdated, people ruling Russia are backwards, corrupt and extremely incompetent (thanks 70 years of negative selection under gommunist yoke), Russian production isn't demanded in the world market, Russia is barely involved into global trade; compared to rich and developed western countries it's pretty much isolated from the rest of the world.

>>79099290

It's very problematic to make money when the countries openly hostile to you are controlling all international trade.

>>79098950
Communism.

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People claim Danish is hard

Die

This is the verb, walk

Fuckin Narcos making me want to learn spanish.

>>79166488
Portugese is better tbqh

>Family name is Portuguese
>Mom speaks Italian
>Live in Canada

Can't decide one Portuguese, Italian or French.

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Step aside plebs, for the language of the shining glorious future: Esperanto!

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Sanskrit is kicking my arse, lads. I don't know if I can make it.

Literally impossible.

>>79168121
Do people even use sanskrit nowadays?

>>79167890
>Esperanto
>Future

kek

>>79168302
There a still a few (thousand) native speakers in India. But I'm (trying) to learn it just for historical purposes/fun.

It's unbelievably complicated.

How do you people utilize anki?
Foreign word first or last? Is there a program that lets me type the word, instead of "guessing" it? I learn faster when quizzing.

Like:
L'Homme
My answer: The man

>>79165274
Men man har jo brug at huske om bojningerne til datidsformen er '-ede' eller '-te', eller om udsagnordet får 'være' eller 'have' til hjælpeudsagnordet og sådan noget, hvilket engelsk ikke har.

Bortset fra det er det da op ad bakke at huske kon, at lære modalpartikler, blandt andre.

>>79168872
Try lingvist for that kinda stuff.

>>79169317
Vi har to kon, fælleskon og intetkon, det er enten et eller en. Derudover bliver vores verber ikke bojet i tal, hvorfor de er ekstremt nemme at gennemskue.

Jeg lober
Du lober
Han/hun/det lober
Vi lober
I lober
De/de lober

Vi bojer kun i tid, hvorfor der er meget færre ting at forholde sig til. Hvilket også er grunden til, at vi danskere har svært ved at lære latinske sprog.

>>79169799
Jo, men de sværeste ligger i andre aspekter af dansk. Men at sige at dansk er mindre svært end latinske sprog i det hele er rov og nogler.

>>79171665
Jeg er selvfolgelig også biased, men hvad er det, der gor det danske sprog sværere?

Derudover cadeau til dig, for at bruge metaforer. Det vidner om en god viden indenfor det danske sprog.

To whoever recommended the Pushkin Institute language learning site, what the fuck is wrong with it? Half the shit is in Russian (not the best thing to do when your audience is supposed to be beginner Russian speakers) and the courses are fucked, no button to hear how words are pronounced, everything is slow as fuck and the site is very badly designed in general.

>>79171885
Som jeg sagde, modalpartikler (ord som 'jo', 'da', 'nok', 'vel'), udtale selvfolgelig og også præpositioner.

Jeg kan også finde nogle eksempeler i din post der. Fra en englesktalers synspunkt, er måden du brugte "indenfor det danske sprog" lidt mærkelig, fordi det bogstaveligt betyder "inside the Danish language". Det lyder ordentligt på dansk men på engelsk ville jeg have sagt "about the Danish language". Således ville jeg have brugt "om det danske sprog", hvilket kunne nok være forkert. Jeg ville have aldrig fundet på at bruge "indenfor".

Derudover er sådanne udsagnsordsammenlægninger som "at vidne om" svære at huske fordi man bliver nodt til at vide at det er "vidne om", ikke "vidne på", "vidne i", osv. Det er derfor dansk er svært.

>>79173573
Jeg forstår.

Om det danske sprog, kan bruges, men jeg vil fraråde det, da det lyder en smule barnligt.

Hvorfor valgte du at lære dansk? Du gor det godt!

>>79167505

Portuguese is literally the worse romance language. I'd rather learn Romanian than Portuguese.

>>79165274

lel, this seems to easy.

>>79174668
Heheh, takker. Jeg kan godt lide hvordan det lyder. Et meget interessant sprog uden tvivl.

>>79168872
>Foreign word first or last?
both, and you can type answers into anki

Has anyone here ever taught languages?
I recently started tutoring Spanish

>>79173398
RT is better at least for a begginer
>http://learnrussian.rt.com/

>>79176589
I offer Spanish, Portuguese, and Turkish at my university (gotta do community service), but so far I've only had one kid sign up for Spanish last year and she doesn't remember any of it.

Teaching yourself and teaching others have proven to be quite different.

Might get a paid internship helping out a spanish teacher in a local elementary school

>>79177709
I'm tutoring a girl and her mom usually stays with us and they both seem to be quite happy. We resumed the lessons now after the summer and while she's always afraid she's wrong, she remembers a lot.

>>79174778
No it's not. French is.

>>79154762
just google "irregular verbs in korean" ? most of the languages in the world have irregular verbs including english, you will memorize them just like how you memorized "went" instead of "goed"

Has anyone had experience with an intermediate level language class where the instructions were given in the language of the class? If so, were you able to understand everything the teacher said or did you only get parts of it? I can only understand maybe 20% of what the teacher is saying and I feel like I should be getting more than that tbȟ.

>>79160638

english is piece of shit, this language have ZERO grammar, only issued rules

>>79181230
You're now manually aware that 'went' is the regular past tense of 'wend', and that 'go' has no past tense.

>>79182843
Haha jokes on you, I barely know what these words mean (-:

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>>79183029
'To wend' means 'to wander', but only in one direction, implying a kind of leisurely but purposeful journey.

> I am wending to the shop.
> I will wend to the shop.
> I went to the shop.

>>79182671
After two years of Arabic, I did that for nine months. In the beginning it was hell, by the time my brain had processed a sentence, the professor had said two more sentences. I couldn't keep up at all. Over time though I got much, much better, and in the end I was able to follow the professor 95% of the time, and keep a conversation about fairly advanced topic, like history, religion and politics.

How long have you done it? If you've done it more than three months without noticing improvement, you should be in a less advanced class tbqh. If it's only a few months, you will most definitely improve over time, and it will be worth it.

>>79183146
Holy shit, I had no idea.

>>79183334
That's reassuring. I've been in this class for a week and a half but I've been studying French on my own for the past 9 months or so, but I didn't have any spoken conversations during that time. I tried to take the beginning French class at my uni but the professor didn't want anyone who had studied French before to take the class so here I am despite next to no oral practice.

>>79183915
A week and a half is nothing bro. You'll see significant improvements over time, I'm sure of it. You should find a conversation partner though, either IRL or via Skype, to speed things up.

>>79075694
anything for romanian?

>>79076073
I did it with Swedish but I knew Danish (as a foreign language).

I learnt a lot but it wasn't until I took classes and learnt the spelling and stuff that I felt confident.

Also living in a certain country isn't necessarily enough. There are foreigners here who have lived here for 5-10 years and can barely introduce themselves.

>>79184894
I can vouch for this. My grandparents have lived here for 50 years and still can't utter a basic sentence in English

If any of posters here remembers Idris, please text me. I managed to restore my account, username is still the same.
No ideas if any of you checks the thread though but I really hope you do :3

pls >>79147015

I never browse, /int/, but where is the Chinese general (if one exists). I can't find one or any related thread in the catalog.

>>79187589
i believe it's called /sino/ or something like that, though right now it doesn't look like there's a thread up.

>>79147015
>>79187226
why not? it's not like it costs anything to try

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I just started learning Korean. You lot have anything I ought to know beforehand? Obviously, I have a long road ahead of me but it seems worth it in the end.

lingvist is trash I'm not really learning anything. Any alternatives?

>>79191203
For vocab specifically: reading and translating, anki/quizlet vocab decks, duolingo if you haven't mastered those (tinycard I think it's called)...

Anyone here who know/have learned Elfdalian?(Älvdalska*)
Please respond!

>>79181230

I know, I'm just venting a little. My problem right now is with all the invisible 사이시옷 bullshit, but I guess I just have to suck it up and keep going.

>>79190594

The English-Korean dictionary at endic.naver.com will be your best friend. It's ghetto-fabulous.

I just started too, about two weeks ago, so we're in this together.

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>learning Old English
wtf bros this is some wild shit

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俺は一年一ヶ月前に日本語を勉強し始めた。毎日せめて一時間勉強していましたのにまだ何も知らない気がする。俺の母語程上手になるのは俺の最終的な目標だ。

^ The result of a little bit over a year of Japanese study. If anything, all this study has shown me how little I really know. I hope to take N3 or N2 this year, I'll choose which to register for based on the results next time I take the J-Cat, which I'll probably do in about a month or so.

>>79187832
>billion /jap/ threads
>one /sino/ thread ever
/int/ was a mistake

>>79177904
neat, is spanish your native lang or your target lang?

>>79193428
i bet

>>79194525
>俺
Ok, tough guy.

>>79184894
>There are foreigners here who have lived here for 5-10 years and can barely introduce themselves.

These people are everywhere and I have no idea how they do it. I would go crazy not being able to communicate even basic ideas, let alone not being able to to connect with the people around me. Like if youre in a country for that long, how can you justify not even learning really slowly? Like 5 years is long enough to learn a language well even if youre studying like 30 mins a day. It baffles me.


>>79194525
>まだ何も知らない気がする
>wants to take N3/N2
Which is it?
From what I just read your Japanese seems pretty good for studying for only a year (idk how much vocab you searched up as you wrote that, but assuming none it sounds pretty good), but idk if its quite N3 level? I only say that because I studied for 2 years, then lived in Japan for almost a year (and was in an environment where I used it every day all day) and by the end I would have maybe barely passed the N3. N4 is pretty conversational, N3 is getting a little more advanced I think. N2 is basically native, if I remember correctly, and N1 is like, exceptional

>>79195704
keep in mind that its been like 3 years since ive done anything related to learning Japanese, so idk if things have changed or not

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How does one pronounce while, in the middle of a sentence? Like: I was reading a book lying in the couch, while it was raining outside.

the way it rhymes with mile
or
it sounds almost like well-hwal

>>79163641
Good luck m8

>>79196058
rhymes with mile

>>79191737
Why would you learn a made up Elven language?

>>79097764
>not learning langs by # of native speakers
pleb

>>79197600
It isn't.

>>79196058
why + L
or
wild minus the D

>>79195086
Target lang, they only require proficiency as a requirement.

>>79110558
I thought arabs wrote with the same number we do

>>79202409
nice