Daily Japanese Thread - DJT # 1890

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being 2/3 into heisig's RTK noticed the guy who made the anki deck
>hates america
>dislikes Christianity
>is obbsessed with sex
>constantly references old testament
>makes references to other hebrew traditions like bar mitzvah and circumcision
>pro lgbt
>most likely into femdom

>>78162957

That's not the guy who made the anki deck, that's Heisig himself. Here are a couple great/awful stories off the top of my head that I still remember from my RTK days.

>旬 - "decameron"
>There simply is not a good phrase in English for the block of ten days which this character represents. So we resurrect the
classical phrase, decameron, whose connotations the tales of Boccaccio have done much to enrich. Actually, it refers to a journey
of ten days taken by a band of people—that is, a group of people bound together for the days of the decameron.

I like this one a lot myself, conjuring up images of old picaresque tales. And indeed there is no common English equivalent so he did his best to find a fitting keyword.

>胆 - "gall bladder"
>The pieces in this character should be easily recognizable: on the left, the element for part of the body, and on the right, the
character for nightbreak, which we have just met. What all of this has to do with the gall bladder is not immediately clear. But all
we need to do is give a slight twist to the traditional biblical advice about not letting the sun set on your anger (which ancient
medicine associated with the choler or bile that the gall bladder is supposed to filter out), and change it to “not letting the night
break on your anger” (or your gall)—and the work of remembering the kanji is done. And the improvement is not a bad piece of
advice in its own right, since anger, like so many other things, can often be calmed by letting the sun set on it and then “sleeping it
off.”

What the fuck? Bible or no Bible this is just a shit mnemonic.

I think that RTK is an extremely interesting resource, if for no other reason than seeing someone's mnemonics reveals much about their mind. Regardless of its utility for memorizing kanji it is fascinating as a character study of Heisig himself.

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>>78164011
nah
there's heisigs note and there is additional deck author's note
>pic related

>>78162957
You're probably looking far too deeply into it, most of the popular stories are voted on by the RTK community and some are simply popular due to being created earlier than the others.

>>78164367
I don't know mane
he usually gives credit when using someone's else note

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could someone explain the なげに to me, I don't understand what it means or does

>>78164494
*in the very first sentence

>>78164494
http://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n2-grammar-%E3%81%92-ge/

>>78151271
これ以上≒これより多くは

>>78164578
ah thanks, I didn't think of just googling げ

>tfw the length of my kanji sessions is approaching 4 hours
when do I hit the plateau?

>>78164183
Can you (or someone who does Heisig's) explain me how all those keywords relate to 隣? I think "America" is for the rice radical, and "neighboring countries" for the meaning. Anything else?
Also any pronunciation hints?

>>78165084
yeah rice is america
pinnacle is what heisig calls the German S looking radical on the left, I don't know why it doesn't fit virtually none of the characters that use it
sunglasses is also arbitrary name for the combination of those two bottom right radicals
I'm not sure where ballerina and dancing legs come from I must've missed that
the stuff is mostly just mnemonic tools

>>78165422
>pinnacle is what heisig calls the German S looking radical on the left, I don't know why it doesn't fit virtually none of the characters that use it
Because one of the two meanings of that radical means "hill" or "verge" or "apex" or "peak" or something.

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後10日で大学新学期が始まります。日本語の勉強を続けながら専攻の科目にいい成績を取るのは俺の積もりだ!
皆さま、頑張ろう!!!

>>78166214
what are you studying?

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>>78166214
痩せることも忘れないでね、デブガキ。

If someone says something dumb-sounding, and the person they are talking to looks annoyed by the comment, and the first person then says 「わりぃ,言ってみただけだから」what does that mean? Is it "Sorry, but I'm just sayin' " or is it "Sorry, I just wanted to try saying that (for once)"?

>>78167643
latter

>>78166492
電気工学
>>78167015
速い物質代謝があるから心配しなくてもいい、第三世界ちゃん

>>78167643
>>78167675
I'm pretty sure it's the former

>>78167015
>>78167986
あ、ごめんブラジルさん、君の言葉の理由いま気付いた

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>>78168077
Good, I was about to sperg out.

>tfw getting back into studying again to kill some time
>tfw reading a bunch more and listening and using it as a side thing to my other hobbies.

>>78170911
sugoi monogatari trip-san, where can I subscribe to your blog

>>78165006
What resource are you using? How many kanji do you get through per hour? I feel like my efficiency tapers off after 60-90 minutes so I try not to spend too much more time on kanji.

HELP.

Anki resets in 3 hours.

PC 1 shows I still have reps to do;
PC 2 shows reps as done.

They both are configured identically and connected to the interweb. I even added a new card (after reviews) on PC1 and, when opening Anki on PC 2, it showed that card as "to learn".

But PC1 still thinks I have way more cards to learn (and review).

What do.

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>>78172267
I'm using the RTK anki deck from the op I write down the characters when recalling that's all there is to it I guess
doing 60 new kanji a day
I don't know how you're familiar with RTK but basically it's just meanings - no readings, although some of the cards have them included in the examples
I study vocab separately
today was kind of bad day though
>pic related
I feel like I was just hitting again those last 20 minutes, I'm thinking about reducing the new cards quota to at least 50, if not less, for a while
I'll see how I do tomorrow with another 60
also
when I feel my head is stopping working and efficiency dropping
I usually take a break and lie in bed for like 2 minutes just staring at wall - basically giving my brain a rest
I found that works surprisingly well
staying hydrated helps too

>>78173421
Open and close Anki on both.

>>78173555
Weird, it worked. I was afraid opening them in the wrong order could fuck up syncing, but it looks okay.

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Okay guys, I need your help.
I need to pass N3 this December or my career plans are fucked beyond repair, I'm currently slightly above N4, I did an example N4 test and passed relatively easy.

How hard is N3 compared to N4? Similar to the jump between N5 and N4?

What should I do to prepare for it?
Do I need to actively learn N3 grammar or is that only required for higher levels and I'm fine if I read daily?
I don't know how much of the N3 vocab I already know (finished core) thinking about doing a N3 anki deck yay or nay?

How long does it usually take until results are out?

>>78174807
what are your career plans anon?

>>78174807
Read a whole lot. I'm only halfway through core and I got 12/17 on the N3 practice test. Have you tried an N3 practice test or not?

>>78175182
There is that Business Management job offering, I'll get a chance when I pass N3.

>>78175245
Not yet, but the example tests on the JLPT site lack audio for half the listening section, so I don't know if I should even do one.
Unless you can find them elsewhere on the Internet.

What are your favorite manga?

>>78176405
New Game

>>78173534
Yeah I know what RTK is, I'm doing the Kanji Learner's Course right now. Do you not use the book to learn the mnemonic for each word? That seems like the whole point of a system like that. My method is to read the mnemonic, look at the character and make that sink into my mind, and then write down one of the compounds 5-10 times. I almost never fail kanji cards because of how well they stick in my head after doing the mnemonic.

>>78176405
Whatever im jerking off to at the time tbqh.

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I'm looking for a video that was posted on /djt/ a couple of years ago back when it was still on /a/. It was about this really young girl who transferred to Japan for a year of high school and on the first day a security guard yelled at her and made her cry. It was pretty sad. Anyone have the link or know what I'm talking about?

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Best gender-related joke I have heard in a while

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>jlpt people literally misspelling shit on their language proficiency test that I, a foreigner, catch
you can't make this shit up folks

why do nips pronounce 質 like ひつもん

>>78179513
質問、くそキーボード

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is there a difference between 友達 and 友だち

>>78180719
Yes. One saves you 4 strokes.

>>78179513
it's Edo dialect.
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q13140390713
ひ↔し
>>78180719
same

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What do you think って stands for here? To me it seems like のは知らなかった would make the most sense as a sentence if she didn't use って, but のは can't get shortened to って (only just は) right?

Or is it と, というのは or ということ?

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>>78177862
>>78181258
>>78179513
音読み:シツ(漢音),シチ(呉音),チ(呉音)
訓読み:たち, ただす

特殊:気質(かたぎ)

>>78181195
Obligatory "yotsuba isn't beginner-friendly" comment. Read hanahira kids.

That grammar structure is in the DoJG beginner volume though. https://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/entries/180.html
Alternatively, HJGP. https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/entries/370.htm

>>78181420

Ah, for some reason I thought のは couldn't be shortened to って, so I was wondering if it was some other abbreviation. Should've checked DoJG first and looked at the examples. My bad

>>78181591
It can't, it's just a similar expression.

>>78181595

Well yeah, bad terminology on my part. Instead of "shortened" it's more like "replaced" right? Instead of のは in a typical sentence.

>>78181649
Yeah as long as you're not misunderstanding what's going on there's no problem.

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>>78181195
よつばが来てるって知らなかったから
=よつばが来ていると知らなかったから
昨日、韓国旗に格助詞「って」は解説した
この「って」は格助詞「とて」の音便で関東方言が語源。
上の場合は、上の語または文が、次に来る語の内容説明であることを表し、「と」や「という」に互換可能。
次に、「というのは」の意味を持つのは副助詞「って」の場合で、この場合は係助詞「は」に置き換えられる場合。例「パンツ屋って誰?」
それ以外に終助詞的用法がある。

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When will i be able to read Pantsuya's walltexts?

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>>78181591
read following;
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6-572021
>>78181595
nope
refer above
「って」には格助詞、副助詞(上記では係助詞とする)、終助詞の三つ用法があり、このうち副助詞のみが「というのは」に似た意味になる。

>>78181803
He said のは, not というのは.

>used to take almost an hour to review 100 cards+10 new
>installed addon which auto-reveals card after 10 seconds
>now takes 20 minutes
>mature card correct % has dropped from >80% to less than 40%
Should I switch back or do I have to get used to the speed?

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>>78181682
>>78181809
>>78181803

Wait, I'm unsure now. Isn't the って usage in the Yotsuba picture I posted just pic related?

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>>78181879
>installed addon which auto-reveals card after 10 seconds
Do you need an add-on for that? Ankidroid has global settings which can be changed on the fly to automatically flip cards over after X amount of time.

>mature card correct % has dropped from 80% to less than 40%
It's a harsh comment but it needs to be said: those cards shouldn't have reached maturity in the first place if they weren't able to be answered correctly within 10 seconds.

>Should I switch back
Are these vocab recognition cards? If they are, it sounds like your entire approach is off. It really shouldn't take more than 10 seconds to answer a vocab recognition card. In the deck statistics, under Review Time there is a read out of Average answer time. Making sure to set the statistics read out page to deck life, can you quote this figure?

Pic related is mine, in case you aren't sure what I'm on about. Depending on the figure, you may need to change your approach to reviewing entirely.

>>78182181
I think it's less that I look at a card for more than 10 seconds (though I would sometimes do that) and more that I get distracted doing something else while doing reviews. With the auto-reveal I get distracted less.

My average review time for core2k/6k is 12 seconds but that might be inflated from what I mentioned before.

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>>78181809
>>78181898
上の説明のとおり、副助詞(係助詞)「って」に限り、「のは」や「ことは」に置き換え可能ですが、「って」の意味の一部に過ぎません。
この場合「って」が、副助詞であるのは、英語で言えばAs forの意味を付加するからです。
「象って鼻が長い」「パンツ屋ってパンチラが好き」
というように、係助詞「は」で置き換えることができます。

漢字を覚える「って」大変だね=漢字を覚える「(こと)は」大変だね=漢字を覚える「(という)のは」大変だね
(古語では連体形は直接「は」を添加することができます)

しかし、
「金を貸してくれって頼まれた」
「読書しろって言われた」
「山田様って方ご存じですか」
「用ってほどじゃない」
の「てっ」は、「というのは」/「のは」で置き換えることはできません。(格助詞的用法)

更に、
「彼も行きたいって」
「なんだって」
「そんなこと知るかって」
の「って」に至っては全く意味をなしません。(終助詞的用法)

上の「よつばと」の例は、格助詞的用法で「と」「という(こと)」で
よつばが来てるって知らなかったから
=よつばが来ていると知らなかったから
であり、「(という)のは」に置き換えることはできません。
この「って」は、格助詞「と」+格助詞または接続助詞「て」の「とて」のshorteningです。
you see?

>>78182400
It's a substitution, not a shortening.

Anon can't read your post so I don't know why you bothered.

>>78182400

Thanks.

>>78181879
link to addon?

>>78182395
>and more that I get distracted doing something else while doing reviews
>My average review time for core2k/6k is 12 seconds
If that's the situation then it needs to be changed. There is really no other way about it: Anki demands full attention 使用時。 Good luck, changing habits is a bitch.

>>78182427
正確には、促音便化です。わかり易いかと思いそう書いただけです。

『語源については、係助詞「とて」の促音添加、「という」「というのは」の音変化などとして扱うこともある』(上記)

>>78182581
Your explanation is fine, you just misunderstood a sequence of english posts and called them wrong when your argument doesn't cover them at all.

>I thought のは couldn't be shortened to って
>It can't

>I didn't know って derives from のは
>It doesn't (it derives from something else)

>>78181802
Took me 18 months. They are very poorly written, though, and 90% of the time he doesn't get what's being asked and explains a lot of unrelated/already cleared up crap.

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Totally unprepared are you
To face a world of men
Timid and shy and scared are you
Of things beyond your 圏

>>78183236
Why not rhyme you with ゆ(う)?

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>>78183236
Totally unprepared are 有
To face a world of 面
Timid and shy and scared are 勇
Of things beyond your 圏

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>>78183346
as what sense do you use 圏?
it may mean your EcoSphere?

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>>78183553
ったく
空気読めよ

>>78181420
Except Hanahira is shit-tier as a piece of media and nobody can legitimately enjoy reading it.

>>78183896
I enjoyed enough what I read/played of it, even though it was only the first few scenes. It was a cute, simply and light hearted romp. Does it change dramatically after the first few scenes? From memory the girls where in the lunch room where I stopped reading after computer problems occurred.

「たとえお金がないにしろ、食事だけはきちんととるべきだ。」

What the fuck kind of example sentence is this? "Even if you don't have cash, you should at least eat a proper meal." What? What scenario would this be used?

>>78183292
I just thought it was cool that the english word "ken" ("one's range of knowledge or sight") was similar to "圏". Not synonymous though as "ken" has more nuance whereas "圏" is just "sphere" in a very basic sense

>>78184521
Seems reasonable unless you are taking "お金がない" as having literally no money. Think "even if you're broke, you should make sure you stay nourished."

>>78183896
It's really not that bad. It's not good but it's palatable, and more importantly generic. When you don't know any of the language you're not looking for something that breaks the mold, you're looking for the mold. Generic characters = predictable dialogue = easier to understand. It is short as hell, too, which is good for beginners since everything will take them 20 times as long as normal. Plus there are even a few lines that are pretty entertaining. I still remember this one line from Amane even though it's been over a year since I read it as my first material.

>「今日もまた勉強という名の悪夢と戦う一日が始まるのだった」

Well whatever. People are free to do what they want, but I think beginners would do better not reading Yotsuba as their first thing and instead going with Hanahira or alternatively another very simple, short, VN. Though you're not going to do better than Hanahira on the "simple" and "short" fronts.

how do nips google searches look like?

when i'm googling, my searches are usually the relevant words in random order and spaces in between. do nips use spaces too when searching?

>>78184860
just look at the jp autofill, don't be retarded

>>78185000
thanks for the very informative answer! the google autofill normalizes searches and favors normie queries, so it's not quite what i'm looking for.

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>>78184521
譲歩構文
http://www.coelang.tufs.ac.jp/mt/ja/gmod/contents/explanation/084.html
「ないにしろ」は、口語では「なくても」
>>78184860
使います
検索式は、世界共通だと思います
また、例文検索には""
論文検索には:pdfとか、Google Scholarより便利かも

ゲームオブスローンズのシーズン7はずっと神回が続く。凄まじい!

What's kami/god supposed to mean in this sentence?

>>78177384
I have the book downloaded as well, I check in there from time to time
but he deck basically contains all of the book except some of the radicals that aren't kanji by themselves
Including the mnemonic stories, and stroke order and it also has additional stories from the guy who made the deck, example words and readings

I think I'm going to try your approach and spent more time initially with a new character
I usually read the story, write it down and hope it sticks

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>>78185719

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>>78174807
Can I get more tips on how to prepare for N3?

>>78187552
can I get more of the pic

>>78179406
Noticed this when doing one of these sample jlpt 5 exams too.

>>78187991
It's all according to keikaku.


*keikaku means fuck you gaijin

>>78188099
why do australians always feel compelled to take the piss out of someone?

>>78188151
It was a joke, Bernd.

>>78188151
if you notice, its only us, because they keep banning all the games

Good morning very much (^0^)/

>>78181195
来ると(いうことは)知らなかった
→来ると知らなかった≒来るとは知らなかった
来るって(いうことは)知らなかった
→来るって知らなかった

・「よつばが来る」、と知らなかった
・「よつばが来る」、て知らなかった

for some reason, in the case of て, that adds a "っ".

what's a good alternative for lang8 since that shit died?

>>78198368
Having Japanese friends. There are other websites with a similar proposal but they are all dumbphone crap where no one will bother correcting you because of the casual, のんびり atmosphere.

>>78196838
kek
・「よつばが来る」、て知らなかった
の「て」の品詞は?
接続助詞「て」は、「つ」の連用形が語源で、活用語の連用形につき、このような用法はない
格助詞「て」については、自分で調べろ

次に、
来ると知らなかった≒来るとは知らなかった
は「ない」が形容詞化しているために、そう見えるだけ
肯定形で見ると、
「来ると知っていた」は「来ると(いうこと)は知っていた」とは、かなり意味が違う
つまり、
来ると知らなかった≒来るとは知らなかった
は助動詞「ない」の形容詞化で格助詞「って」の文法的意味とは関係ない

多分、君よりdjtの学生の方が日本語を知っている

Japanese-Brazilian-American with a horrible, third-generation grasp on the language here. Is it worth actually improving or should I just learn Mandarin instead to make myself marketable? Are there learning materials specifically catering to pathetic 日系 in my position?

>>78199984
Use ur brain
Study with ur brain

>>78199984
> or should I just learn Mandarin instead to make myself marketable

You should learn the language you enjoy learning. Both Japanese and Mandarin require thousands of hours to learn, so it's not worth doing so simply to pad your resume. If you're the type of person who thinks you'll learn Mandarin doing 15 minutes a day on your smartphone app, turn back now.

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What would be the difference in nuance here if 所 is replaced with 事? What's the difference in between 所 and 事 when used like this?

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いえからとおいです。

Why is it "It is far from my house." and not "My house if far from here."?

>>78200918
From my house far it is

>>78200710
I'm used to intense study: I've become fluent in Lebanese Arabic and German. It's a matter of what to study, not whether to.

>>78200918
what is this and is it good?

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Hey guys, I posted here a week or two ago asking for help regarding my low retention, I was averaging 40%. Here's what I had today, thought maybe the anon who recommended stopping new cards and going full review-mode would like to see my progress.

>>78200820
good point vs good thing
it's not exotic

>>78203704
also "good point" in english in this context means "good aspect" not "good argument"

>>78166214
>成績を取る
>取る
成績は残すものじゃなかったっけ?

>>78198368
>that shit died?
Please explain.

does deleting a card in anki also delete the media?
Or do i now have bunch of unused media in my collection folder..
if so, how can i get rid of them if i dont remember the names of the files?

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>>78205498
Tools -> Check media. Also check these.

>>78200918
This is why you should read a grammar guide instead of playing Mr. Potato Head with Japanese sentences

>>78205278
They shut down new registrations and the community's been slowly suffocating

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what does it say, guys?

>>78199984
Dude, you being in the US your chances to go to Japan are absurdly higher than for a Brazilian.
Being part Japonski also helps. So if you intend working with nips in the future, do eet.

>>78202016
it's duolingo and it's a joke.

>>78205741
Get those doubles often, how come googlebot is still trying to learn this stupid word?
(Captcha: Calle Caldicot).

>>78206418
>playing Mr. Potato Head with Japanese
Nice way of putting it.

>>78207316
「チンチョンピンポン」って言ってる

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How accurately does this illustrate application of positive, comparative and superlative in Japanese on a scale from 0 to 10, 0 being king me and 10 being いただきます?

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>>78208881

>Yuko yatta!
This means "well played" as a compliment, right?

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>>78200820
形式名詞の選択は微妙で、独特のnuanceは説明が難しい。
簡単に言えば、
「それは注意することです」の「こと」が「それ」(対象)そのものを指すのに対し、
「それは注意するところです」の「ところ」は、「注意する」という意志動詞の動作の帰着点を示している。
例えば、「そこは聴くところです」や「そこは見るところです」。これらの用例では、「聴く」・「見る」という動作そのものが強調されている。
like this
you see?

>>78210161
Yoku. Yes.

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>>78167986
>第三世界ちゃん

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>>78200918
「家から遠いです」は、主語が省略されています。
日本語では、無生物主語inanimate subject を使わない傾向にあり、 it is ~の型の形式主語構文はありません。
ただ、指示代名詞の「そこ・ここ・あそこ」は主語にできます。
「家から遠いです」は、
「そこは、家から遠いです」or「ここは、家から遠いです」or 「あそこは、家から遠いです」。
本来、It is far from my houseというのは訳の一つであり、日本語の意味は日本語でしか説明できません。

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>>78204996
「取る」も、普通に使います。特に、「勝ち取る」とnuanceで使います。
ただ、これは、明治以降に英語の「win」の訳語として普及したものかもしれません。
本来、「成績をおさめる」と「収める」(harvestの意味が本義)を使います。また、「学業を修める」の「修める」(learn)を誤用している例も少なくありません。
>>78210649
語学の学習は、繰り返しなしにはありえません。

>>78211652
*「勝ち取る」というnuanceで使います。

I've been studying for 2 months and I still don't understand shit. Wat do?

>>78212535
Start fansubbing anime.

Why are grammar decks frowned upon?

>>78213019
Are they? I've never heard someone speak badly of them.

>>78213019
vocal minority dislike them, the same with individual kanji study, because it goes against a narrative they have about pedag

>>78213825
the one truth pedagogy*
pedag sounds like a pokemon

Why is Rikaisama loading everytime I hover a word? It takes like 2seconds to show up.

>>78214577
you enabled the inbuilt sanseido mode by accident

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ファッグ :DDD

>>78215640
Thank you, i would never notice that.

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>if I study diligently in five years I might be able to read 40% of a shounen manga without a dictionary

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>>78217330
Just how slowly can someone possibly study?! Is this the power of duolingo?

Has anybody done anything with Fluent Forever? Gabe Wyner's formula seems to have worked well for him but I can't find anybody that's actually used his products.

As I move along in Japanese, I'm starting to come of the opinion that discussing difficulty is sorta useless.

If you couldn't pass the JLPT N2, the most standard of standard Japanese is going to be hard for you. You're literally below children and illiterate backwoods hillbillies in every area apart from possibly kanji knowledge. In short, it's going to be rough no matter what you do, so you might as well buckle up and dive into whatever interests you.
If you've gotten a ways along, difficultly = the author's favorite words that weren't favorites of the authors that you've read in the past/expressed ideas that weren't as relevant in the stories that you've read in the past. It won't be that difficult by the time the end credits roll.

>>78217330

Only if you take frequent breaks that last for months on end and/or use horrible study methods.

I suppose that there are people who really are that dumb, but they probably don't have the intelligence to do anything that involves delayed gratification, and thus, likely wouldn't even click on these threads.

>>78218647
The Japanese in a Year guy used it
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwV0yvyOYea4EieewSSQOMg

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Can I ask for a favour of someone to help translate this?

>>78220270
Oil pressure warning.

Further information can be accessed after the car comes to a complete stop.
Please stop the car in a safe area.

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>>78212607

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How good is google translate?
On a scale of 1 to 10?

>>78220888
you may have luck with some simple sentences but other than that shit/10

>>78220888
a n5 would be better

>>78220922
Damn, how many hours per day do each of you dedicate towards learning Japanese?

>>78221021
If you don't count consuming entertainment, probably 1 hour to 2 hours a day. If you count entertainment, probably 3-4 hours a day.

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>>78221036
And how long have you been studying and how far have you gotten?
Sorry for asking a question that's probably frequently asked, but I ain't studying a language for 4 fucking years to translate a manga.
If its doable in 1 year with 4~5 hours of dedication then I don't mind.

>>78221036
>consuming entertainment
does this include manga?

>>78221021
I spend most of my day watching anime and reading manga
Neet feels

>>78221068
>but I ain't studying a language for 4 fucking years to translate a manga.
well I guess it's pretty safe to say then that you might want to drop japanese

>>78221115
Thanks for the answers.

>>78221068
Sorry for the late ass answers, was grinding Anki. Anyway, I've been studying for kanji almost everyday since Feb this year, and started learning more advanced grammar like 2 months ago. I took the J-Cat and said I was barely N2 but I don't feel like I'm at that level.
>>78221077
Includes manga, anime, youtube, tv, music, websites etc..

>>78220510
Thanks a bunch, anon!

>>78221095
>Neet feels
Is Japanese not for normies?

>>78221771
>normies
Normalfags is what they're called, and I wouldn't imagine them dedicating time learn a language like Japanese.
They'd rather be outside having fun than autistically going over a rep

>>78221068
>If its doable in 1 year with 4~5 hours of dedication then I don't mind.
It is, but it also depends on the manga.

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Laughing my ass off. Whoever uploaded the top file is a legend

>>78220888
If you use it smartly, 6/10 for translation and 4/10 for production.

Substitute hard/obscure words with synonymous, and names with generic pronouns to ease Google's job.
You have to understand some Japanese in order to use it, anyway. Learning to break the text into shorter bits and inserting/removing kanji in place of kana might also help depending on the word.

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>>78222265
Here's a sample

>>78222436
Pretty simple stuff.

>>78222436

If you, or your potential readers, don't care about the difference between 99% accuracy and 90% accuracy, you could be translating this in a month from now. First, cram every kana into your head ASAP. Every kanji on this page has furigana so you don't need to lear kanji. Then, read your way through Japanese the Manga Way or Tae Kim, with Rikaisama there to look up every word every step of the way. Get down basic grammar and how sentences work, then get to translating. Fuck learning vocabulary. Look up every single word and use your new rudimentary knowledge of Japanese grammar as your guide as you copy over all the definitions from the Japanese-English dictionary. And every time you come across a grammar structure your beginner grammar guide didn't cover, just look it up in DoGJ or HJGP.

I actually believe that by doing this after one month of study you could produce a translation that would be considered passable in the English manga community. I don't know whether your native language is Arabic or French or whatever but you seem to have enough of a grip on English that you can at least twist your beginner understanding of the source material into something palatable, at least in comparison with other awful manga translations.

>>78222607
learning the kanji alone takes forever, then vocabs and grammar etc.... I'm not saying that it isn't "doable", but translating takes some more advanced knowlege of the different conntotations of certain words and a certain level of intuition that you just don't have after one year

>>78222747
yeah no, you would produce tons of sentences where you just thought you understood it... honestly it would be such a clusterfuck of mistakes
and I think you're underestimating the time it would take to literally look everything up, there's so much shit you take for granted by now but he won't know...

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>親子丼
>chicken and egg on rice

But we all know what it really means...

>>78220510
Does できます also have a meaning of 'when convenient', as well as 'can do/ability to do so'?

As in it doesn't require an acting person to apply?

>tfw just spent almost 5 hours translating a 9 minute fairy tale cartoon

>>78223640
Not too bad. It's easy to watch/read something through the first time and understand it, but it's different having to then substitute it line by line in English and write it down. Especially if you're proof-checking and editing, as well as going back to look an nuance and context.

>>78223629
I believe so, but I can't answer for sure.

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What does this say? What does どっから mean?

>>78223959
どこから
手を付ける

>>78223974
ありがとう、ブラジルくん

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Are Wanikani forums the bottom of the barrel in the Japanese Study community? Can someone explain why I feel physically sick whenever I read threads there.

>>78224126
I would say 4chan is probably bottom of the barrel. Have you seen what goes on here?

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>>78224126

Another example.

>>78219888
>Delayed gratification
That doesn't just apply to learning a language. People are too impatient these days. It's a feedback loop from having access to fast food, instant messaging and everything on-demand. Learning to take your time, apply the proper methods, accept responsibility for time management and effort...all very important to take on board if you want to succeed in a given field.

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>>78224286

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>>78224286

>>78224126
>Wanikani forums
well ain't that some shit.

>Can someone explain why I feel physically sick whenever I read threads there.
looks really no different to what you'd find here, although they'd probably delete the 3DPD porn, unlike the lazy faggot hotpockets who are tasked with moderating this shithole. have you seen the trap and [spoiler]It's Time[/spoiler] threads on /a/, or the constant dick threads on /int/?

>>78224286
wew lad, looks like something that makifag would write

>>78224319
>all very important to take on board if you want to succeed in a given field
people who achieve success in a given field aren't spending their time shitposting on a Taiwanese erotic calligraphy appreciation forum

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>>78162126
>be me
>be obviously not a qt nip highschool grill
>want to learn nipspeak bcs meme, animu and career
>"indefinetly borrow" some books from the library
>look into the first chapter about kana and radicals and whatnot
>it´s FUCKING HARD OMG FUCK MY LIFE
Why did I want to learn japanese, shit´s crazy! Should I just give up?

>>78224565

All those books look fucking terrible. Also Japanese isn't hard if you follow a systematic learning path with good materials. It just takes time, if you're complaining at the learn kana stage I got some bad news for you son.

What does this mean?

ジェニファーさいかわです!

It's someone else saying that about someone else and saikawa is not a last name.

>>78224643
>good materials
Shoot, what are some good books in german then? I really don´t want to double translate.

>>78224565
the pons grammar book shouldn't be too bad, just somewhat superficial

>>78224952
It´s good, but I don´t really understand how the fuck nips are organizing their dictionaries. Also, I may get me some further books, maybe with some exercises.
Thx local library for your easily removable electronic labels :D

>>78224755
「最+可愛い」のではないかと
一番可愛い

>>78224784

No idea if the German edition of Tae Kim is a good translation but the English version is a good beginner resource.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/german/

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>>78225002
>Thx local library for your easily removable electronic labels :D

>>78225207
Was denn? Soll ich denn auch noch für den Scheiss zahlen, oder was?
Halt mal dein Maul, Alter, oder gib mir bessere Ratschläge.

>>78225290
bist du 12 oder was, verpiss dich

>>78225002

Give it back Adolf.

>>78225002
>Thx local library for your easily removable electronic labels

Ich wollte dir einige Ratschläge geben, aber jetzt kannst du es vergessen.

Quickly anons, what does this mean? 言っておくとピーターついてるもんついてるからな!

>>78211652
>>78211690
説明ありがとう

>>78210161
>>78210317
It's not necessarily a compliment, is it?
Thinking along the lines of 良くやってくれたわね I think there could also be some sarcasm hidden in there.
But that would probably be obvious in that case.

>>78220888
It's complete garbage for any Western Language<->Japanese translation.
That is not to say that it cannot be helpful, but >>78221016 isn't exactly exaggerating.

Rikaichan is the way to go, if your vocabulary isn't exactly great.

>>78224286
>23 years

Isn't Ken-sama way past the 三十路 by now?

>>78225002
>I don´t really understand how the fuck nips are organizing their dictionaries.
あかさたなはまやらわ, あいうえお and はばぱ.

>>78227288
Hätte ich von nem Hahnrei wie dir auch nicht gewollt, Pissnelke.

>>78225387
Bisschen dünne Haut, was? Geh mal lieber zurück nach R*ddit, da kannste weiter mit den anderen Schwuchteln kuscheln.

>>78225496
Fuck you, Nigel, go suck some muzzie cock.

>>78229747
Ahhh, okay, macht Sinn, danke. Wie inzu Tastatur?

>>78230016
Was ist die "inzu Tastatur"?
Nie gehört. Irgendwas für Handys?

what is the original of murakami's quote in 1Q84, "everyone, deep in their hearts, is waiting for the end of the world to come."
googled it but found nothing

>>78230113
Ich meinte, wie machste das mit der Hiragana-Tastatur?

>>78230249
誰もが心の奥底では世の終末の到来を待ち受けてもいる

I hope you're learning Japanese and not just planning to put this on your Twitter profile.

>>78230278
Gibt's dazu nicht einen Guide im OP?

Google IME (Mozc). Microsoft hat auch eine, aber ich weiß nicht wie das mit Win10 ist.
Win8 hat mich zu Linux verscheucht, und seitdem habe ich mich damit nicht mehr beschäftigt.

>>78230249
>1Q84

Does it get decent? I started reading it a while ago and I remember it being boring compared to the original 1984, which I managed to complete.

>>78230536
thanks a lot, no it's just curiosity.

>>78231003
i didn't like it. normally i like >open-ended stories but murakami's style bored me to death.

>>78224565
Green texting like a redditor and stealing from a library...

You're going straight to the ninth circle of hell

>>78220028
I've watched some of his stuff. His 7 months progress video is really hard to watch, like it's really cringey. Learning Japanese isn't that bad, right? It's clear that he just memorizes phrases he wants to know like "I am a drummer in a band" without actually knowing what he's doing.

>>78224565
if this is bait it's a masterpiece

Have any of you read any Japanese novels other than light novels
Like Ooe or some shit
How long does it take to get to that point, and can you basically comprehend classical Chinese at that point?
Any resources for learning to Japanize Classical Chinese the way Japanese middle schoolers do?

What does the second part of this mean? As far as I can work out the first part is something like "you aren't immortal any more"
>ん?おめえはもう不死身じゃねえし人間を0にすることもできねえよ。

>>78236346
Maybe the character had some sort of reincarnation power if that makes sense.

>>78236346
it's probably a stupid question, but do souls or ghosts exist in this manga/novel whatever?

>>78232875
>>78235035
Samefag much, burger nigger? Fucking ばか

>>78238298
those posts are from different people bro

>>78238329
best to ignore the (underage) edgelord, he'll give up anyway

>>78238439
Was willste machen, Hackfresse? Arschverletzt viel? Ich bin älter und stärker als du, und deine Mama leg ich auch hobbymäßig flach. Halt bloß dein Maul, sonst komm ich rüber und mach Mettigle aus dir.

>>78238029
>>78237405
The character being talked about is immortal (regenerates from any injury) if that makes sense?

What is this person saying? http://vocaroo.com/i/s0B6NLEXKTTW

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This word is funny

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>it's the katakana English word card

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tfw going camping so I need to review ahead and do several days' worth of cards early tomorrow morning

>>78240225
I don't mind these cards because they make the day's reps a little bit easier

>結構です
Having trouble with this in context.
Can this be used as "thank you but no" or "I'm fine as it is, no" - polite refusal?

>>78242423
>結構です
No thank you/it's fine

Does DJT have any official Discord? If not, why?

I've read the Japanese police can keep you in jail and interrogate you for 23 days until you admit to a crime you didn't commit, and you can't see an attorney until after. If this were to happen to me, do I have a legal obligation to answer their questions, or can I try my best to ignore them if I feel like I can't keep denying it anymore? If they're interrogating me day and night, can I try to sleep while they are shouting at me?

>>78244893
Don't smoke weed in japan or rape their women and you'll be fine

>>78244705
it got posted for a while, someone can probably post you the link, but it's pretty uninteresting and filled with normie stuff

>>78244893
are you planning on committing crimes?

>>78244893
that is just one of those stories people tell weebs to scare them away from japan

>>78245178
No, but innocent people who get accused get convicted anyway

>>78244893
How is that any different from the US?
Once they find a way to suspect you of terrorism, you lose any rights you supposedly had.

The "Western values" have suffered greatly this century - first and foremost under the influence of the self-proclaimed defenders of those values.
How can you blame Japan for doing the same garbage?

>>78246265
America is one of the few countries with innocent until proven guilty. In Japan you have to prove your innocence. Theres not much crime in Japan so the police don't get to do much and don't have a lot of practice. They only go after slam dunk case with people they know can't prove their innocence though, so you're fucked even if you're innocent.

>>78246418
Its been the same way for black people since the country started.

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>>78240972
Now that I consider it more, I'd really hate to deal with the consequences of this. I guess I'll bring my phone exclusively for anki and do them early in the morning
I bet doing Anki in the woods at 6AM is comfy

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昨夜、新しいCPU冷却装置を備え付けた
大改善だぜ、CPUの温度は以上50℃冷めた!性能も上がったから高かったのに値していると思う〜
DJTはコンピュータを建てるのが好きですか?

>>78249465
Or would that be 「50℃落ちた」?
Any other corrections would be appreciated

>>78249465
まあ好きけごちょっとめんどくさいだよね

>>78249573
>けご
けど*(笑)

>>78249465
>DJTはコンピュータを建てるのが好きですか?
別に、問題がない限りケースを開かない
めったに埃を抜くかもしれないが、それ以外は何もしていない

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I don't understand what she's saying here

How do you say ">tfw" in Japanese?

>>78251626
その顔いつ

>>78249465
俺はいつもノートを買って面倒くささを避ける。

>>78251626
~時の気持ち

Does anyone have any japanese tv links?


Theres japanese joshi at samurai tv and curious if any of you can get it

>can pass most n4 and some n3 non-listening sample questions
>can't understand a word of n5 listening

>>78249573
確かにね、笑
>>78250423
俺もその感じが分かるけど最近冷却装置が壊れたから修正する必要があった
>>78254428
楽しさも避けているよ

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I'm fucking tired of anime but its a good way to listen to Japanese regularly, any other methods though?

>>78257537
Watch more anime

>daily Japanese thread is under constant spam attack
>djt/int/ is dying
djt/jp/ is dying
I think it's time to find a new hobby. Japanese is a dead language

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>>78258554
>djt/jp/ is dying
I don't see it, but could that perception be the reason you have to attwhore here instead?

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>>78258554
>Japanese is a dead language
JAPANESE WILL NEVER DIE.
THE GLORY OF JAPAN IS AN EVER BURNING FLAME.
MY BLOOD BOILS JUST THINKING OF THAT /jp/ SPIRIT.

>>78258554
all Japanese language forms of entertainment could stop being made from today onwards and I'd still have enough manga, anime, books, games, movies, music, etc. to enjoy for the next few hundred years


>>78259093
>attwhore
how'd you come to that conclusion?

>>78259386
He's a monkey, his brain is only the shadow of a human's.

>>78259118
yeah just wait until the senior population surpasses 50% lmao

>>78259403
南米猿

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今日は死にたいほどつまらない
どうする?

>>78265142
どうするって
オナニじゃん

>>78265218
一日中するわけじゃないだろう

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What the fuck is she saying djt?
Nothing I look up shows what 見んな is.

>>78270417
probably a slurred 見るな

>>78265597
素人には無理だろうが、
そのわけはありだ。

>>78270417
見るな、入るな、来るな、するな、etc. are often abbreviated to Xんな because it is easier to say than Xるな
る and の are frequently spoken as ん.
This dropping of the ラ行 sounds is something you will hear/read in other similar things, such as
分からない being pronounced わからん and わかんない
知らない being pronounced しらん and しんない

>>78208553
>how come googlebot is still trying to learn this stupid word?
Maybe his deep mind got OCD?

>>78208881
>>78209465
>>78272107
aren't you the faggot who was maintaining the guide? how much longer are you going to keep reposting screencaps of your own posts?

>>78272414
It was my first post in this thread.

内部に射精するの歓喜

>>78271564
すげー、プロオナニ人だ!

>>78265142
I have just the thing, anon!
tinyDOTcc/compellingcontent

>>78273135
ebin
simply ebin

遂に
序に
序でに
Help. They always come in kana.

>>78273135
Your attributive form is all fucked up

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I don't know if I've seen this idiom before. Is it bad that I'm learning US cultural facts from Japanese comics?

>>78275355
笛吹けども踊らず deserves to be more popular in English

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>ヒュウガ・ヒナタ
>日向ヒナタ

>日向 also reads as ひなた
What a fucking disgrace, I'm necking myself.
Thanks for everything, DJT. Couldn't learn it in the end.

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What does that thing mean? Google translate is not helping

>>78275355
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR3BFkRyhSI

>>78275786
could be chinese but to me it honestly just looks like some made up bullshit character

陶芸が如し

>>78272084
Thanks for taking the time to explain, I appreciate that.

>>78275786
>>78275989
Those strokes don't make any sense either. It looks like the vertical strokes start from the bottom and go upward. Not to mention that the horizontal strokes come from either direction.

>>78278957
あの人を
桑田の中
に合う死ぬ

Someone got distracted while another was talking and the person talking got a bit angry and thought to themselves 「聞いちゃいねえ」
I understand 聞く in the ちゃう form but why is it a masu stem version with that ending?
And what does this mean..?

>>78280731
It's 聞いてはいない

>>78280731
oh so its not the ちゃう form.. haha thanks

As a 係助詞 bound particle, は adds a layer of contrastive meaning to what it attaches to.
聞いてはいない
As for listening, she is not/has not.
The は makes it sound like the 聞いて is different from other things, like whatever else she is distractedly doing. She is doing those things, but specifically in the case of listening she is not doing that.

If it were 聞いてもいない the bound particle would make it sound like 聞いて is similar to other things instead, as in "she is not even listening, on top of not doing other things too!"

聞いてしかいない is "she is not doing anything except for listening!"

聞いてこそいない it is exactly listening which she is not doing
聞いてさえいない she is not even doing so much as listening

These are bound particles.

>>78275313
Thanks for the correction but I have no idea what an attributive form is.

What nuance is there when using Xのない

Is 抜いた positive?

>整
>feel like I should know it, but drawing a blank for whatever reason
>use jisho
>夂 (you know, that thing that's very clearly sitting in the top right) apparently isn't a part of this kanji
>start plugging in parts of 正
>nothing
>start plugging in parts of 束
>nothing
>literally everything that makes up 整 will not lead you to finding it via their search by radical

I obviously remembered, but how fucking useless.