/lang/ - Language Learning

>>77108520
>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

>>77108520
>>77108540
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

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>tfw too stupid to get through one Pimsleur lesson per day.
I have to do one, then repeat it, then make flash cards, study, then listen again.

At this rate I'll never learn Spanish.

>>77109608
just take your time

it can seem exasperating at times, but trust me, there is no such thing as "too stupid to learn a language". At worse, you might take longer, but I guarantee you that you can, in fact, learn Spanish.

I've narrowed down my desired language to being Hebrew or Mandarin. It's very hard to decide.

>>77109860
Are you Jewish?

how similar cantonese and mandarin?

>>77110013
No. I'm interested in the history and culture of Israel. It's the same with China too.

Anyone have experience with Tandem? It's a phone app that connects you to people that speak a language your interested and they're interested in your language. Seems like a good idea but haven't seen it mentioned here and want to get some /lang/ thoughts.

Wew lad, Duolingo now has High Valyrian, a quick look on wikipedia tells me that this language Latin-tier inflections but very simple phonology,

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>>77110083
The beauty of anonymity on the internet is that we can connect with faceless strangers across the planet, never knowing who they are, whether we've met them or ever will, and have discussions with them. I'm a stranger and I'm telling you to learn Chinese. Go ahead and do it, and when someone asks why, joke that a stranger on the web told you too. You don't know who I am, and you never will. Imagine what I look like if you wish, and think of me when you give them that response. Do that, and I will be satisfied to know that I graced the thoughts of another human's mind; because it's all I've ever wanted - to be remembered.

>>77108520
SerboCroatian is Naranca, Spanish is
Naranja
These are different ?

>>77109608
You need to tell yourself that you're going to get a C3 level in Spanish, you tell that to yourself out loud and write it down until you believe.
If you keep telling yourself that you won't ever learn you won't.

>>77108520
>burtuqal
lel it's bourtguan

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>>77111652
Fug

I'm way too excited about this

>>77114560
It seem to be not very hard if you know Latin and Greek, very useless through.

>>77112883
naranča is pronounced naranja(english pronounciation)
naranja is pronounced naranha

>>77114534
Is French still big in North Africa?

Ayyy I've been waiting for the High Valyrian duolingo course for a while

>>77115910
Truly a waste of time and resources. Just like the Klingon course. Esperanto is debatable.

>>77111652
> High Valyrian
back in my youth, all the book nerds were learning Elvish

>>77110061
They're highly unintelligible except sharing the same character

>>77116081
What about elfic?
When will we have an elfic course on Duolingo?

german words are so retarded

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>>77108520
Portugal
burtuqal

>>77117227
Well that coming from a Polish speaker is kind of rich

>>77109860
Bruh. Mandarin. When the fuck are you gonna use Hebrew? All Israelis speak English (or Arabic or other European languages) anyways. Mandarin is only gonna get even more useful in the future.

>>77117501
I think Portuguese traders were the first to bring oranges to the middle east, so they started calling oranges "portugals". It's kind of cute

where should I start with Chinese?

>>77108520
What's up with
>zürj
>aoureval
Also, that eastern slavic one, does that literally mean orangecoloured potato?

>>77119483
You have to decide which dialect first

>>77108520
>apel-sin
>sinaas-appel
Why, Dutch?

>>77119655
>eastern slavic one, does that literally mean orangecoloured potato
What. No. Potato is kartofel or kartoshka. Orange colour is orangeviy.

>>77120574
False friends I guess. Also mixed up pomme for potato instead of apple (pomme-terre)

>>77118653
"The tree's original range probably was northern India. The Persian orange, grown widely in southern Europe after its introduction in Italy 11c., was bitter; sweet oranges were brought to Europe 15c. from India by Portuguese traders and quickly displaced the bitter variety"

>>77108520
started learning japanese and latin. Its been fun but i cant seem to get consistent in the practice

>>77120520
Dunno. We do have the "word" appelsien, but it's generally used to refer to orange juice. According to the Dutch wiki, it used to be appelsi(e)n in early modern Dutch, but it flipped around?

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Anyone learning Korean?
I think there were UK and someone else but idk if they're around rn

>>77112407
Gross, I read this in his voice and speaking style.

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I'm trying to learn to write in cursive cyrillic.

Anybody care to tell me if I made any mistakes, or if there's anything specific I need to improve?

>>77110182
it's not that good for language learning, since it's kind of hard to teach over an app like that, but you can learn a lot about foreign cultures and such or even pick up some foreign girls if you're good enough.

Lifeline

Is it even possible to learn 2 languages at once or is that just a meme?

>>77133107
Yes, this is the minimum standard in European Highschools.

>>77118653
>>77120680
That's funny, considering Europeans got the original name of oranges from the Middle Easterners afaik.

After researching a bit I've decided on a few languages I'd like to learn; French, Spanish and Catalan.

Which would be best to learn first? Or does it not matter? I have no prior experience with romance languages, which is why I'm asking.

>>77133717
I'd say Spanish is probably the easiest of the three, so it's good entry-level Romance language. However, this is only one factor among many others to be considered (the single most important of which is obviously your actual interest in the language and culture).

>>77134180
Is Spanish really easier than French for English speakers? I'd thought French would be easier, given that it has a lot more shared vocabulary and slightly more similar grammar.

>>77133717
Whatever you do, pick Catalan last. It'll be easier once you have French and Spanish under your belt, and there's less resources for learning it so it will be more of a challenge if you pick it first.

>>77129625
I can't read it mate.......

>>77129625
the first line? can you write it?

also бyлOк

>>77134317
I'm not a native English speaker so I can't say for sure, but despite the similar vocabulary, I still think Spanish is easier, because of much more predictable gender (or rather, more easily predictable, since there are rules which allow you to guess correctly for something 80-90% of French nouns, but those rules are much more numerous than the ones in Spanish), more predictable conjugation (both languages have a shitton of irregular verbs, but French literally has an entire class of verbs which are pretty much just "they don't fit in the other two classes lol", such as mettre, courir, recevoir, etc.), two different auxiliaries ("avoir" is the most common, but "être" is sometimes used in somewhat unpredictable ways) whereas in Spanish it's easier to predict the rare instances where you use "tener" rather than "haber" as an auxiliary verb (not to mention that "haber", AFAIK, is never gramatically wrong, unlike "avoir" in French). And of course Spanish is read phonetically, whereas French is definitely more difficult in this regard. As far as pronounciation goes though, I think both are roughly equal, though maybe French is slightly harder simply because it has a larger number of phonemes I think.

But again, I say all of this as a non-native English speaker, so I don't know for sure.

>>77134432
>>77134347
it's supposed to say:

B чaщaх югa жил бы цитpyc?
Дa, нo фaльшивый экзeмпляp!

Cъeшь жe eщё этих мягких
фpaнцyзcких бyлoк дa выпeй чaю.

>>77134884
oh, I just realized I accidentally wrote "жaл" instead of "жил"

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>>77129625
Not bad

>>77134884
>жил бы
Mabye жил был? Anyway, generally it can be understood, but your writing skills are poor, like it was written by, say, a 10yo kid.

>>77135008
>but your writing skills are poor, like it was written by, say, a 10yo kid
Yeah hopefully I can improve, but unfortunately even in the Latin script my handwriting is horrible. Anyway, thanks!

>Mabye жил был?
I don't know, I just googled "russian sentence with every letter" or something like that and came across that. Supposedly it translates to:
>Would a citrus live in the bushes of south?
>Yes, but only a fake one!

>Eat some more of these fresh French loafs and have some tea

I'm learning english internet,actually I can read and listen english fluently but can't write and apeak. I'm not making any progress,so my english sucks when I not use google translate.But I don't care because I'm brazilian. I also learned something at school,but the big part was in video games,movies and internet.

>>77135127
it should be жил был; it means 'once upon a time there lived'

>>77135194
thanks!

are the other sentences correct?

>>77129625
Not bad, actually. There are several things you could improve.
>в чaщaх югa жил бы цитpyc?
(I hope I got it right).
югa looks almost like нoгa which makes one stumble and stop reading. The connection with the right letter should go from bottom to top, not to be on the same level. Also, и in жил looks like a (again, if that's what you mean).
>экзeмпляp
The connecting prong in the minuscule м should be lower and not be so upright, it looks almost like ш. In the context, though, it's clear anyway.
>фaльшивый
Your ф looks like a printed one. Basically, the cursive ф is like the cursive Latin q + p joined together.
>cъeшь
ъ must be connected on both sides. It's weird why it's not, it's a hard letter to write.
>фpaнцyзcких
The hook in ц is way to prominent and removed from the letter, it looks like a щ.
>бyлoк
It's бyлoк, in case you're not sure.
Give me a few minutes, I'll show you, how I would write it myself.

>>77134833
>easier to predict the rare instances where you use "tener" rather than "haber" as an auxiliary verb
What.

As far as I know we don't really use "tener" as an auxiliary verb. It is possible to use it along with a participle, but it's not really a conjugation with "tener" as an auxiliary, but rather a conjugation of "tener" with the participle as an adjective (e.g. "tengo decidido" vs "he decidido").

And yeah, avoir vs être is an extra complication for French conjugation, but I think that's comparable to Spanish ser vs estar when it comes to added complexity. And when it comes to pronunciation, I believe both languages have around the same amount of phonemes that aren't present in English.

I was thinking more among the lines of some shared grammar points, like French not being a pro-drop language, using impersonal "il" in a similar fashion to English "it", and (in the spoken language) using the same conjugation for several grammatical persons.

But I guess we'll be running in circles until an English speaker who's studied both settles the matter.

>>77135233
Actually, I take that back. I didn't see the question mark. Everything's all right. This phrase is supposed to be a pangram, i.e. a sentence using every letter of a given alphabet at least once, that's why it doesn't really make a lot of sense.

>>77135359
>it's not a hard letter
>too prominent

>you will never speak proto-indo-european
why even bother?

>>77135370
>It is possible to use it along with a participle,
Yeah this is what I meant, but I guess you're correct to say that it's not actually an auxiliary, but rather simply a conjugation of "tener".

>>77135359
Cпacибo! This is very helpful!

>>77108520
I whant to learn german.

>>77135178
>I'm learning English on the internet. Actually, I can read and listen to English fluently, but can't write and speak it. I'm not making any progress, so my English sucks when I'm not using Google Translate. But I don't care because I'm Brazillian. I also learned something at school, but the big part was through video games, movies, and the internet.

I know you didn't ask, but I thought the corrections might be helpful. Your biggest problem seems to be a lack of prepositions and articles, which are always a pain to properly learn. Good luck Brazilanon

>>77129625
Can't read the first two lines very well. Improved at the end. Try to not be so "harsh" when writing the letters, it should flow more naturally. There are some printouts online you can practice with if needed, I learned in a workbook.

>>77135471
just build a time machine and go back for some sick immersion dude.

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>>77129625
>>77135359
My handwriting. Excuse the poor quality of my cam.

To make it quicker, it's usual to substitute a line above й and ё for breve and dots respectively.

Also, instead of writing э in three steps (the bow, the middle stroke, the connector) it's simpler, for me at least, to write the connector through the middle of the bow. Basically, a cursive shwa. It's much faster and very useful given that э appears in lot in the beginning of the words.

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>Really want to learn Russian
>Doing duolingo
>New Penguin Russian Course
>Anki
>Still only know basic shit and the fucking Cyrillic alphabet
>mind feels like a sieve with new words
>No idea where to start
>Grammar makes me want to fucking blow my brains out
>Try watch Zootopia in Russian with English subs
>Almost every other word sounds different
>Understand 0.005% of what they're saying without subs

Is there a more enjoyable way of doing this or do I really just have to grind this shit out? I have the motivation to learn but the classroom way of learning is masochistic to me.

>>77137100
You didn't start learning at a course? A big mistake. The classrooms lessons can give you lots of props.

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>>77137085
Thanks again, this helps tremendously!

If there's any way I can help you out with any questions you might have related to French or English, feel free to ask, I'll do my best to help you any way I can.

>>77137216
No one around me offers any. All I have is the internet and books.

>>77137216
>Russian courses
You have no idea how rare these are.

>>77137100
You can try Pimsleur for beginning anon, but after a certain level of understanding you have to grind it out, unless maybe you have someone available to you that can teach you and stuff then it won't be as grindy.

>>77137265
Sad. I've got kinda the same problem with Arabic. I did attend a course for a year in my uni but I had to end it after almost everyone had dropped out. Lousy fuckers.
>>77137240
Je t'en prie, mec ; )
>French
Je l'aime vachement, mais il n'y a pas de possibilités de l'utiliser.
>>77137407
In El Salvador for sure, anyway.

>>77137407
My high school offered Japanese and Latin Russian courses are essentially nonexistent here.

>Live in canada
>don't even know a word of french

I just can't learn it, i don't think I have the attention span to learn a new language

>>77137470
In El Salvador there are non-existent, yes, but I'm talking in general.

There may be more common in Europe and Asia, but in the Americas they're quire rare.

>>77137641
>There
They

Goddamn.

>>77129250
Started working my way through an online guide today, mostly practiced memorizing hangul and got a gist of the word order and some basic particles. Intending to get basic conversational ability for online chats, not going too deep. What about you?

>>77137240
>>77137265
Btw here's an example of Russian literary richness.
Today when I got home from work, I fried chicken. "Chicken" is кypицa but there is also a colloquial synonym цыпa or, of you add the dimunitive suffix, цыпoчкa. Цыпa/цыпoчкa has a second meaning - "a girl, chick young woman".
The verb жapить "fry" has also another vulgar meaning "to bang".
So, when you say (я) жapю цыпy it can equally mean "I'm frying a chicken" and "I'm banging a chick".
>>77137641
How does that feel living in a country so small?

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>>77137567
>i don't think I have the attention span to learn a new language
this is a common way of thinking, but it simply is not true. Even if you were downright stupid (which I'm sure you're not), language-learning is not a matter of intelligence. As for attention span, it's simply a matter of adapting your methods. Unless you really have a serious problem like ADHD (in which case medical solutions do exist), I'm confident that you can succeed.

For example, instead of forcing yourself to sit through a textbook for over an hour, just do 10 minutes in the morning, do a couple of exercises to help grasp what you just learned, then maybe watch a tv show or something in French with english subtitles, then later in the evening do another 10 minutes of working through a textbook, and top it off with a couple of vocabulary memorizing sessions on memrise or anki or whatever site/software you prefer.

Good luck, Anon, and believe in yourself!

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>>77138370
>Today when I got home from work, I fried chicken. "Chicken" is кypицa but there is also a colloquial synonym цыпa or, of you add the dimunitive suffix, цыпoчкa. Цыпa/цыпoчкa has a second meaning - "a girl, chick young woman".
>The verb жapить "fry" has also another vulgar meaning "to bang".
>So, when you say (я) жapю цыпy it can equally mean "I'm frying a chicken" and "I'm banging a chick".

Holy fuck anon.

>>77138370
In all honesty, it's actually quite nice. Everything is within a few hours driving distance (even borders), so you can make day trips without feeling like its a waste due to the long drive.

Though it's not like I leave the city that frequently anyways.

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Do other languages have conjugation a bit like ours or not? People often talk shit about our conjugation i feel like

>>77138710
In Russia the scale is entirely different. The distance between Moscow and my city is about 180 km which is roughly comparable with the dimension of your whole country. And this 3 to 4 hours long trip on a bus/train is considered quite short. Inhabitants of Siberia and the Far East are so far away, that's going to Europe/Asia is cheaper than going to the other part of the country.
>>77138684
Don't say that English doesn't have a shitton of slang words and idioms.

>>77138933
Russian. Not sure, but guess it's even more complicated than in French.

>>77138933
just exampe

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%8C

>>77138933
>People often talk shit about our conjugation i feel like
desu even though most of french conjugation is like, exclusively in the written language i still quite like it. it makes written french way more aesthetic, if you dig.

>>77138936
>Inhabitants of Siberia and the Far East are so far away, that's going to Europe/Asia is cheaper than going to the other part of the country.
this is the part that surprises me about Russia

I mean, obviously Canada is very big as well, and some people do live in the far North which is extremely far from everything and isolated. But in a way hardly anybody cares, seeing as it's mostly natives who live there. But in Russia, even in places like Magadan, there are plenty of ethnic Russians. I imagine that they must feel extremely disconnected from the rest of the country sometimes, despite being of the same ethnicity?

>>77138933
Who's talking shit, anon? English speakers crying because they had to take French in high school? French doesn't seem to crazy compared to most other language most people have to do in school or something. I guess you have extra tenses but that's not a huge problem.

>>77138936
To be honest, making a trip from Vladivostok all the way to Moscow (and then continue on all the way to Paris) is an item in my bucket list. I'd love to learn Russian for that but it's somewhat difficult with the resources available online, and like I mentioned earlier
>no classes
The best I can do is hire a private tutor, but that would be quite expensive.

>Don't say that English doesn't have a shitton of slang words and idioms.
Probably every language has double entendres like that. In Salvadoran slang, "Me la comí" can mean either:
1. I ate it (the food that we were talking about).
2. I'm fucked
3. I sucked some dick.

>>77138933
I believe most Indo-European languages have rather complex verb conjugation systems. English is the outlier here desu, having such simplified conjugations.

>>77139321
>extra tenses
The funny thing is that the average French speakers (or at least, here in Québec, but maybe in France they're better), the average person wouldn't even be able to use a tense like the subjunctive imperfect in a coherent sentence if asked to.

If you look at the tenses which are actually used, then French is very similar to English or Spanish. In fact, it's even slightly easier because IRL French combines both the simple past (e.g. "I ate") and the present progressive (e.g. "I have eaten") into a single tense, the passé composé (j'ai mangé). I remember when I was just starting to learn Spanish, I assumed Spanish did the same, so I would always say things like "He comido una manzana" even though what I actually meant to say was "Comí una manzana".

>>77138933
>>77139645
Russian conjugation may be somewhat challenging. We don't have that many tenses, and we cannot express the ideas of consecutive actions in the past/future by the verb form only (i.e. passé composé, imparfait, plus-que-parfait correspond to Russian past tense). But there are still two difficulties in Russian
1. consonant alternation
2 the use of different verbs to express aspect

For example:
He was writing that morning
Il écrivait ce matin-là
Oн пиcaл тeм yтpoм
On pisàl tem ùtrom. Пиcaл/pisal is a form of пиcaть/pisàt' "to write" (imperfective)

He wrote an email to her
Il lui a écrit un courriel
Oн eмy нaпиcaл имeйл
On yemù napisàl imèyl. Haпиcaл/napisal is a form of нaпиcaть/napisàt' "to write" (perfective)

>>77139493
I had to finish the course because the price got too high.
>>77139242
It's not like we can afford traveling a lot, so what gives?

>>77139773
>Oн eй
>On yey
Sorry

>>77139242
they are paid way more that why you see them in those palce otherwise they will be nobody

>>77139773
Oh, and as for consonant alternation.
There are regular verbs like this one:
бeгaть bègat' "to run (in a park)"
я бeгaю ya bègayu I run
ты бeгaeшь ty bègayesh' you run
oн/oнa бeгaeт on/ona bègayet s/he runs
мы бeгaeм my bègayem we run
вы бeгaeтe vy bègayete you run
oни бeгaют onì bègayut they run

There are also irregular verbs that can change their final root consonant:
бeжaть bezhàt' "to run (after/from sth)"
я бeгy ya begù I run
ты бeжишь ty bezhìsh' you run
oн/oнa бeжит s/he runs
мы бeжим my bezhìm we run
вы бeжитe vy bezhìte you run
oни бeжaт onì bezhàt they run

>>77140227
aren't there also some verbs where some conjugations where the stress changes place, and so for example instead of having ó you have o? Or maybe it was some nouns which behave that way when inflected. I don't recall exactly, but I vaguely remember seeing something like that, and it seemed like something that would be very annoying.

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I'm a native Spanish speaker, so I had to learn English, but it was pretty easy because English is literally everywhere: movies, tv shows, music... Hell, even most of my internet interactions are in English. I have German citizenship through my grandparents and I'm kinda ashamed of not knowing the language of a country I'm technically a citizen of. I have some questions for German speakers:
What do you think is the hardest thing about learning German?
Are all dialects/accents mutually intellegible? And if not, which accent is the most clear/understandable
What are some good german language tv shows or movies?

>>77140698
German learner here, I'll try and answer you but I may be useless.
-Hardest: complex sentences (sentences with multiple clauses/sub-clauses) really throw me around. it can be hard for me to keep track of what verb is going where. the more you practice it gets easier. Everyone cries about the cases but I picked those up naturally it seemed. Just reading got me used to them
-Mutually intelligible: everyone knows Hochdeutsch afaik. Variations can be big (compare Bavarian with standard German), but Hochdeutsch should get you far.
-I don't really watch any. If oyu have netflix you can search for German language stuff which I do occasionally.

>>77140658
Yeah, there are, and even many native Russian speakers struggle with them.
For example, zvonìt' "to ring (imperfective)". The correct pronunciation is to stress the second syllable, but many of us incorrectly stress the first one.
on zvonìt - he rings (correct)
on zvònit - he rings (incorrect but very common)

Basically, it serves as a marker of more intelligent speakers.

>>77140698
>What do you think is the hardest thing about learning German?
I've only done a little bit of German learning (had some classes in school), but from what I know I'd say that having to know plurals can be annoying (it can be -e, -en, -s amongst other endings, sometimes you have to add an umlaut in the root, and so on). It's not "hard", but it's something you simply have to memorize, like gender, which can be frustrating. The other difficult part is perhaps the preterite, for example for the verb "essen" it's "aß", for the verb "machen" it's "machte", for the verb "fliegen" it's "flog", etc. Again, it's simply a matter of memorization (and English also has the same thing, i.e. "eat"→"ate", "make"→"made", "fly"→"flew", etc.), which isn't difficult so to speak, but is definitely challenging when you're trying to learn the language.

Otherwise, German is honestly not that bad of language. For some reason there's this stereotype that it's a very difficult language, but really it's quite manageable, it's just different, for example it requires being able to deal with very different word orders, e.g. "I want to eat an apple" is "Ich will einen Apfel essen", and NOT "Ich will essen einen Apfel". In that last example, there's "einen", which is the accusative of "ein" (masculine). Some people say that declension in German is hard, but I think they only say that because they've never had to deal with declension prior to trying to learn German. In reality, German declension is pretty easy compared to most languages with declension.

>>77135471
t. h2wergadz awedroz

Pipe dream languages? I wish I could speak Aramaic, ancient Greek.... or Japanese

>>77142396
What counts as "pipe dream"?

I just started learning a language which a week ago I would have counted as being "pipe dream", but now I'm actually trying to learn it for real, so I don't think I can count it as such anymore, since I'm hoping to succeed in learning it.

>>77142396
Euskera, Farsi, Chilean.

>>77142648
Language you are highly unlikely to learn but would be cool af to speak.

>>77142881
>Chilean
Weon eso es imposible

>>77142987
In that case, if I'm to ignore the language I'm currently attempting, then:

>Basque
>Welsh
>Sumerian
>Mongolian
>Guarani
>Nahuatl
>Greenlandic

>>77142396
For this, my plan is to study Russian after I feel truly comfy with Farsi. Anything after Russian I consider pipe dream/not so likely.
>Korean
>Japanese
>Resume Latin since high school, both ways
>Mongolian
>Ch'olti'
>Nahuatl
>Quechua
>Hebrew
>Aramaic
>Mandarin, or another language from the Sino-Tibetian family.
What it ultimately comes down to, a language of every family.

>>77144238
And what I want to add to this, and something you never really see here because there's way less reasons to learn a foreign version: Dutch Sign Language.

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>>77137100
>>Grammar makes me want to fucking blow my brains out
You aint' seen shit yet then. Try Polish grammar

>>77144238
I'd love to speak Aramaic/Syriac. I follow the Syriac Military Council on Facebook but I can't tell if they post in Syriac or Arabic because I can't read the script.

>>77145004
Copypaste some lines to google translate

>>77145076
Good idea, but since it's written in Arabic script I think Google translate would assume it's Arabic. I don't know if Syriac today uses the Arabic script but I'd imagine it does

>apelsinipuu
lmao what
apelsinipuu means orange tree
its just apelsin in estonian

>>77142396
Arabic, Uyghur, and Japanese.

>>77142396
I wish i could speak Navajo, Guarani and Greenland. I just want to go full hipster.

>>77145828
*Greenlandic

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>>77145828
>Guarani and Greenland
one day we should learn together: >>77143451

I'm learning english. That's why I am here. I think other languages are irrelevant. Do not need to learn.

>>77145855
I live in a city that mostly speaks Spanish, despite being in America. It will for sure make my life easier to know it.

Additionally, learning new things is good for your brain.

Good luck with English.

>>77145855
learn 4 fun my dude

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>mfw I just found out that the Mari word for "Wednesday" is "вӱpгeчe" [vyrgeče], which literally translates to "blood day"
BӰP FOR THE BӰP GOD

>>77150926
whats water in mari?

>>77129625
Your c almost looks like a dotless i, I always notice it when people learn2russian. It should go further along the circle.

>>77150989
nvm, I guess that’s normal, same here >>77137085

>>77150976
вӱд [vyd]

However, as is the case in many languages including Estonian (and I presume Finnish as well?), here because the "d" is in final position, it gets pronounced as a "t", so the pronounciation is [vyt] (with a Finnish 'y').

>>77150976
>>77150926
Also, I looked it up some more, and actually the word for "blood" seems to be one that nearly every single Uralic language has kept a cognate of. Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian, most Sami languages, Udmurt, Mari, Khanty, Erzya, Moksha, Veps, others I'm forgetting, and even Nenets (all the way from the Samoyedic branch of the Uralic family!).

>>77151060
i just find it interesting how water and blood are such similar words in pretty much all uralic languages. i think the word for water used to be used for liquids on general in the past and to make a distinction between 2 common liquids like water of the sea lakes and rain and the blood in animals and humans alike the words eventually separated.

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>>77135384
>Imagine chinese pangram

Actually learning Breton language (with friends, with old people and in university)

hope to be teacher in this language

>>77151208
There's one with a thousand characters, I think. Memorizing it was part of the traditional education in China.

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>>77151235
Fugg, you are fucking with me

>>77151451
The Thousand Character Classic, it is called. The Asians are great rote learners!

>>77151524
Oh that shit, fucking boring, it's good for calligraphy wise tho

>>77137567
You just hate French, chill

>>77151653
How do you actually learn the characters nowadays? Like where do you start?

>>77142396
The list of languages I'd like to speak before I die is as follows, ranging from "I can speak this already" to "I'll probably learn this within the next few years" to "I can only wish". I left out Spanish and English because I learned those two by default.

-Japanese
-French
-Portuguese
-Mandarin
-Russian
-Persian
-Hindustani
-Vietnamese
-Arabic
-Bengali
-Uzbek and/or Kyrgyz
-Basque
-Hungarian
-Georgian
-Pipil (Salvadoran Nahuatl)

I've "researched" (that is, studied how the language works/learned basic vocabulary like pronouns/studied the phonology and/or the script) all the way to Arabic, I've made a serious attempt to tackle the language all the way to Persian, and I've succeeded to varying degrees of proficiency all the way to Portuguese.

I'm currently wondering if I should continue with Mandarin (I seem to be good at it) or Russian (I suck balls), because I intend to make a backpacking land trip across Eurasia by the beginning of next decade, and English will only get me so far in some places.

Koreans here:

Is ~들 only used to make animate objects plural? I learned that you can't use it for inanimate objects, but just came across someone who used 책들 for "books".

>>77152206
>Pipil (Salvadoran Nahuatl)

Oh, this remid me how many languages my country has. Few of them have one million speakers, yet i have never heard them spoken.

>>77152269
Well, I've never heard Pipil outside of Youtube videos, but at least I have an excuse in that there's only like a thousand speakers left or so.

I guess it should have been obvious given the area, but I never knew Vietnam was linguistically diverse. I thought the dialectal difference between Northern, Central and Southern Vietnamese would be about it.

>>77108520
I've been working my ass off on learning English since I started my highschool like 3 years ago but I still can hardly read and understand English when it's pretty difficult or the sentences are long and complicated, let alone speak and write in it. How can I improve my English rapidly so I can be as fluent in English as average people on int board? It seems like I'm trapped in a certain level and having trouble breaking out of this trap and moving forward..

>>77152343
That looked pretty perfect. All you need to do is just watch more English media, listen to more English, and speak more English. You're good enough where you can now use native material.

>>77152321
Yeah, we have over 10 millions people who speak minority languages. There're so few resources of any of them on the internet, and i'm in the delta, while most of them in the highlands. I would be lucky if i could find a Chrau or a Koho that can speak their languages.

>>77152343
How much effort/time did it take to write this post?

>>77152255
No, it isn't. "들" can be used to make both an animate and inanimate noun plural. But in the Korean language, when you make a noun plural, you don't necessarily have to add a "들" at the end of the word while in English, you have to add an "s" at the end of the word to make it plural. In fact, many of the Koreans tend to not bother to add "들" to show the noun they say is plural. For example, it sounds a bit more like a native speaker to say "나는 꽤 많은 책을 갖고 있다. (I have quite a few book.)" than "나는 꽤 많은 책"들"을 갖고 있다.(I have quite a few bookS.)". It also applies to animate nouns. For instance, you can say either "나는 친구가 꽤 많다. (I've got quite a number of friend.)" or "나는 친구들이 꽤 많다.(I've got quite a number of friendS.)". Also, here the former sounds better than the latter. So the bottom line is, "들" can be used for both animate and inanimate nouns and the singular of a word can also serve as the plural.

(Because of my poor English skills, I'm not sure it could be of any help to you..)

>>77152557
Like I wrote above, I started learning English about 3 years ago so I can say it has taken me 3 years to be good at English enough to write the post.

>>77152752
I meant more like, did the words come to you more or less naturally, or did you have to really think about some parts or even look some stuff up?

>>77152766
More often than not, I've got difficulty coming up with proper words or phrases to express my thoughts in English so I often look them up in the dictionary. Since I'm not used to thinking or speaking in English, I can't automatically and unconsciously make sentences in English yet.. I still have such a long way to go..

>>77152647
That was a perfect explanation, thanks koreabro!

>>77152870
hwaiting don't give up chingu.
It can take many years before you fully become fluent in English.

>>77151773
kid stories will do, the thousand character is in ancient chinese, kids won't understand, too out of context, schools start to teach ancient chinese at 7th grade

>>77153205
Thanks for the pep talk, Frënd!

>>77153189
NP :D Glad it helped

Can any Germans give me a basic sentence to read? I haven't spoken any in awhile.

>>77115817
yes every one speaks french (unlike english which is only spoken by younger generations) also french is part of our dialect so many terms we use in communication are purely french

>>77153671
Was machst du heute?

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>haven't spoken in a while
>wants to read

>>77153671
Ich bin ein Pozzhahnrei, willst du wissen was das ist?

>>77137407
they're pretty common here
i think even my grade school had optional russian classes

>>77151143
this is why i love languages

>>77151143
Completely unrelated, but another language "fun fact".
The persian word for toe literally means foot-finger

>>77155602
i heard that's in spanish as well

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>>77109670
>>77114393
Thank you. It's frustrating that I spend two days on every Pimsluer, listening usually once or twice per day, making flash cards, in order to get it reasonably well.

When I started a month ago, I was hoping to finish Pimsleur 1-5 by the end of the year, but that's 145 lessons and there are only 170 days left. So, probably more likely at this rate I should shoot for finishing Spanish 3.

I'm hoping that once I get the basics down, it will be easier for me to learn. Maybe be able to remember/learn through context a bit better. Right now I feel like i'm just memorizing phrases.

In addition to the Pimsleur though I do a ton of Lingvist and make flashcards. I do a few Duolingos most days too, but I find that app annoying.

>>77157212
Duo is best on the website version. You will have grammar notes too.

>>77120520
>>77121687
all I know is that the current name is a shortened/slurred form of "China's appel"

I think I'm going to choose Hebrew over Mandarin. I just have a greater interest in it. I can learn Mandarin later in life if I want.

>>77155602
That's true in a bazillion of languages.

>>77155662
Kind of. There's actually no word for toes, the only way to address them is to say "fingers of the feet"/

>>77155201
>right next to Russia
>your longest border is with Russia
>former subject of the Russian Empire
Gee, I wonder why.

But yeah, I said I was talking about the Americas.

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I'm starting to realize that learning an irrelevant minority language which is called "Mari" is not exactly convenient when it comes to search engines.

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question for linguists here

Best way to learn language is obviously to star listening to it and learning how to speak it , because a man first learn to talk and then to write.

Problem is, I am hearing impaired, I wear hearing aid, but I am half dead anyway.

With my listening abilities I have sometimes problem with understanding virtual audio in my first language. When listening anything on english I combine 7/10 words i hear with ability to understand from context.

Meaning my hearing abilities are absolutely useless for completely new language(except songs).

My question is - what path should I pursue to learn it as good/fast way I can without listening and speaking it as first step.

>>77162226
No bully, I didn't know.

>>77164907
What language are you learning? Perhaps there are resources that have text+speech combos, whether it's something you're supposed to read along with, or just the transcript. Maybe someone can even help you out in return for something else, I bet there's some AWOKEN SERBOCROATIAN FASCISTS here that would be willing to.

>>77164907
>half dead
>dead
RIP in piece ;_;

In all seriousness though, could you not for example use pimsleur tapes and simply play them very slowly on your computer, and repeat them as many times as necessary? Or is your hearing really so bad that it still wouldn't work?

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>>77165036
Actually I am idiot.
text+speech will help enourmously because if I know what will be said, it somehow transforms audio from literally inaudible to literally audible for me.
also topkek for serbocroatian fascist; based unprofor

>>77165087
>half deaf*
I thought that pimsleur is just basics or there are more advanced lections later.

Anyway you guys helped me a lot. Thanks

Шaa лaлap минь

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>>77166079
>R A R E
>A
>R
>E

>>77157426
Thank you. I'm considering getting a workbook for grammar.

I was recommended "Easy Spanish Step-By-Step 1st Edition" by Barbara Bregstein.

>>77165987
I'm using Pimsleur now for Spanish, and I'd say it provides an excellent base to build from, but with additional tools for vocabulary and grammar. I'm using Pimsleur + Lingvist + Duolingo + flashcards for all of these right now.

Is it a huge mistake to be a bit lax about accent marks when starting with spanish? I get them most of the time, but Duolingo will say I'm correct when I get them wrong.

>>77167103
I'd say it is indeed a mistake. Not because it's really so critical, nor does it hinder comprehension in any way, but the problem is that if you don't do it as early as possible, you'll end up never doing it. It's like people who try to learn Japanese, and use romaji and think to themselves "eventually I'll learn kanji", or people who try to learn German and say "eventually I'll learn the genders of the nouns". In both cases, they obviously end up never doing so. This is exactly what happened to me with Spanish, and it's also my biggest regret: I kept thinking "tildes aren't really all that important, I'll learn them eventually" and now I'm so accustomed to not using tildes that it's extremely difficult for me to properly learn and use them.

So, in summary, yes I think it's very important to be rigorous with them right from the get-go, as innocuous as they may seem when you're just beginning.

>>77108520
Why is Language learning so addicting? I want fluency in French, Spanish, Portuguese and German and maybe an Asian language.

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bumpan

>>77168689
Easy ... in my case when i speak english in front of people who don't, i feel "important" hahaha.
It's nice to see people talking in other languages. I'm a english learner and i sometimes try to find people for speak in english in front of others, the people who can't speak that leanguage feel crazy when they see that.
It's funny too.

>>77167978
Thank you I will start

>>77139493
>In Salvadoran slang
Same in Spain.

>>77142396
>Pipe dream
Absolutely none.

Why on earth would I wish for something if I didn't believe I could make it real?

Fuck that shit.

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>>77142987
>Weon eso es imposible

>>77172935
Then consider it "highly unlikely", or something that requires an unlikely something to happen first (eg win lottery so work is no longer an issue -> more time)

>>77161621
okay then. enjoy.

marry a rich jew.

who else /14% fluent in italian/ here

>>77175003
49% fluent here
T. Tourist

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Holy fuck, Navajo seems like such a clusterfuck of a language.

For example, "I love you" in Navajo is "ayóóʼánííníshʼní".
>ayóo (“very”) + á- (“thus”) + ni- (2nd-person object prefix) + yíní- (“directed at”) + sh- (1st-person subject prefix) + -d- (classifier) + -ní (neuter imperfective stem of -NIID (“to feel, want, desire, love”)

Imagine trying to learn a language with such a weird, different and complicated grammar/syntax. It must be such a fucking headache.

I also wonder how anybody can even oppose linguistic relativism when confronted with such a language. How can speaking such a different language NOT affect how one thinks, even about very basic and fundamental aspects of this world?

Also pic related is some pretty interesting history (from WW2).

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>>77175003
>>77175142
How do you find out your fluent %?

>>77175564
Native American languages do extreme agglutination pretty well. I can see how it works, I can even partially translate that into Korean, but Korean is not as purely agglutinating. Makes me kind of jealous of their superior agglutinative paradigms.

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>>77175564
here's another example: "Happy New Year" is "Baa Hózhǫ́ǫgo Nee Nínáádoohah"
>baa (“about it”) + hózhǫ́ (“happy”) + -go (adverbial suffix) + nee (“with you”) + nínáádoohah (“again a year will pass”)
>about it happily with you again a year will pass
>somehow this translates to "Happy new year"

yesterday I started with spanish which basically consisted of learning the personal pronouns and regular verb conjugations for them in present indicative. I found some quizzes that test that.

but I don't really know what to do day by day. I mean I want a systematic and structured way of learning where there's some sort of set thing to accomplish, like in a class. there's pimsleur and duolingo and lots of things like them, sure, but everyone warns about relying on one resource. how do you combine different lessons/learning tools into one? how do you know what you should do each day? in high school I took a german class and every chapter there was a big list of words to memorize and make flash cards for, and every week there was a new irregular verb to memorize. I might want to do something like that I guess. but I just don't know how to move forward and what to actually do day by day.

>>77176036
Split your time into something like grammar, vocabulary, reading/listening/writing/speaking. Obviously you won't be able to understand much at a beginner level, but it'll gradually build up.

>>77176348
yeah but I want explicit structure. like today if I decided to learn accusative pronouns or something. how would I know when it's good to move on? when deciding on something to learn about, what do I pick first? like should I learn tenses first and build from that? or should I do everything in present indicative for a long while and then learn tenses? or any example like this

>>77176036
My vague Spanish daily routine is Duolingo 50xp, a pimsleur couse (there like 30 min), and anki flash cards to study irregular verbs (like 100 studied cards a day). I'll add a new irregular verb like once a week.

>>77176608
Are you using a grammar book? That might provide the structure you're looking for. You could check Mango and see if your library has something set up with it. Haven't used in myself, but it looks like it balances grammar and vocab in a structured manner.

Anyone know a good place for gaijin to practice japanese? What about forums/chatrooms to practice languages in general?
>>77175574
They probably use duolingo which'll tell you how fluent you are in a certain language when you complete courses. Dunno if it's accurate as I haven't used it much myself.

>>77175574
Duolingo
>>77178754
Absolutely inaccurate

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>>77175564
>>77175778

I'm going to learn all the main romance languages
wish me luck

>>77179411
Good luck. With each one learned the rest should becone easier than before.

>>77179411
Hvis du kan rolle dine R'er, start med spansk ellers start med fransk og ov dine R'er i mellemtiden. Held og lykke.

>>77179602
How come you know Danish?
T. Past speaker of Danish

>>77179649
Similar to Swedish.

>>77179602
Jeg starter med fransk delvist på grund af dette, jeg kan ikke rulle mine R'er hvilket er lidt pinligt, men jeg må vel bare få det ovet. Og tak, det bliver sjovt.

fellow mandarin learners, whats you favorite way to write characters on the computer?

i need to start writing characters instead of pinyin, or i will never learn.

>>77179411
Good luck, in what order??

>>77179962
French > Spanish > Portuguese > Italian > Catalan > Romanian

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>>77180022
if some day you want to learn Latin itself, then maybe this will help

>>77180041
I was considering learning it too somewhere down the line, so I'll save that thanks

How long would I need to learn fluent serbocroatian? I can read croat and understand optimistically maybe 50% and probably understand someone on the street even less, can't into cyrillic so would have to learn that from scratch. I'd be happy with just read and write, don't really feel the need to speak unless I go there someday.

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>>77180443
the only difficult part of cyrillic is the cursive

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>>77180516
yeah, I can imagine. It was on my list for a long time so I best get it over with, but it'll be no doubt the hardest thing while learning serbocroatian.

>>77180516
Why would he even need to learn the cursive version? Is it commonly written in cursive?

I figured most modern languages wrote in print.

>>77181113
AFAIK, languages written in Cyrillic are not like languages written in Latin where cursive is not only optional, but even slowly dying out (how many young people even know to write cursive upper-case letters anymore?). In Russia, however, it's "wrong" to write in print, apparently things written by hand are always cursive (except if they have a specific reason not to).

Of course, if you're confident that you'll never need to read or write anything by hand and you only need to be able to write for the sake of your own personal notes, then you can always just write in print. But if you're learning a language, generally you're going to want to be able to read and write things by hand.

>>77180516
I refuse to believe this actually means something to anyone without the explanation.

The only letter that can be told apart from the others is the л.

>>77175564
>>77175778
Na-Dene languages are seriously complicated as fuck. Navajos managed to have a stable number of speakers, no need to revive, while the Dene languages in Canada are dead as fuck (maybe apart from Slavey). I don't think "normal people" could learn these languages well as a second language. Either you was born with it, or you could never be fluent.

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>>77182387
Not to mention their Caucasian-tier phonology as well.

>>77182232
I hate cursive and that image physically repulsed me.

>>77182387
Yeah, it's a real shame to have so many languages dying out. At least there's Navajo though (and, surprisingly, Navajo speakers seem to be able to properly retain their phonetics, vocabulary and structure without being too influenced by English).

I've heard that some Australian aboriginal languages can also be extremely complicated and weird, but unfortunately they're also on their way to extinction.

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>>77182725
>>77182232
To be entirely fair, Latin cursive script can also be unintelligible if you cherrypick some specific examples.

But still, the whole и-л-м distinction in cursive cyrillic is rather crazy, without any doubt.

>>77182755
The Tiwi language is most vibrant: the Tiwis all live on islands, with very few white Aussies (mostly just officials)

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>>77182890
according to Wiki though, it too is dying out (and losing its complexity with time)

I need help trilling my R's. Unfortunately I've been learning Spanish for a month mistakingly using a Uvular trill which vaguely sounds similar but isnt correct.

Does anyone have a good trick other than practice.

>>77183129
How I got it down was by first mastering the alveolar flap. In order to do this, one tip which really helped me was:
>think of it more as a 'd' than an 'r'

Once you have the alveolar flap down, then the alveolar trill is fairly easy imo.

>>77166521
Quizlet is a great app to replace flashcards if you want to go paperless.

>>77183048
That's bad. I live in Indochina, there are a lot of languages here as well (many of them have more speakers than all Aussie Abbo languages combined), i wish i could find a buddy who speak a minority language.

Also i feel like there's a trend of nasalized vowels by dropping initial consonants. For examples, rồi (go) --> ồi with nasalized /õ/, không (not) --> ông (/õ/), and đi (go) --> i (/ĩ/). I even say i âu ó (đi đâu đó - where are you going?) with two nasalized vowels and a dipthrong in a row. Right now this feature not very noticable and only occured in informal situation, but imagine if they developed fully.

>>77179865
Google translate let's you draw them on it's phone app

>>77183284
*there's a trend in Vietnamese

>>77183284
That would just make Vietnamese even more impossible to pronounce for learners.

>>77179228
What a shitty, unfunny reddit-tier comic. No offense to you of course.

>>77183370
True, but it would not be to hard consider how many good French speakers are there. But i don't like losing initial consonants too, lol.

>>77183460
Combining tones with unusual vowels plus nasalization is a deadly combo.

>>77182436
have anything like this for german?

>>77180041
that book is cool
I'm not too interested in latin but I remember finding it one day on the internet and just reading though some of it, don't even have to fucking think about it, it was really neat

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>mfw I just found out that the Mari word for "flame" is тyлйылмe [tuljälme], which literally means "fire tongue"
MUH FUCKING DIC, THIS LANGUAGE HOLY SHIT

No wonder they're pretty much the only European people to have a significant portion of their population which always remained pagan

>>77181113
>Why would he even need to learn the cursive version? Is it commonly written in cursive?
Because we write only in cursive. It's efficient and very fast. If you write by hand using the print letters, you'll be considered a dumb gaijin.
>>77181233
The Canadian fellow is right.

>>77185505
WHAT THE FUCK BOIIIII

Ukrainian and Russian. Haven't practiced recently, but I definitely want to learn them. But fuck what the books and formal courses teach, I want to speak it in a natural way, slang and all that.

In Tacoland that is probably the rarest shit someone would like to learn. German, English and Chinese are the most sought-out languages. I'm currently in a big university and yet there's only 1 or 2 Russian teachers, what the hell.

>>77134999
I learning russian and impossible to read what you said

>>77186467
>Ukrainian
Waste of time. I'm not a chauvinist, just as the matter of fact almost all Ukrainians speak Russian or Russo-Ukrainian mix called surzhyk.

>>77187075
Don't worry. I can't read it either. A doctor's handwriting can be understood only by another doctor or a pharmacist.

>>77187300
>implying
Pretty sure pharmacists make out 20% of what is written and make up the rest, hopefully not screwing up due to their experience.

I'm grateful that I haven't seen a handwritten doctor's note in about half a decade, they just print them nowadays.

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How long before listening to Spanish helps me more? Right now when I listen I get so little words I can't follow at all. I've only been learning for a month so I'm very beginner.

>>77187300
my mother is Serbian and also learned Russian as a young girl and she has many cookbooks written completely in cursive. In fact, all of her documents are written in pages of perfect Cyrillic cursive. I can speak Serbian fluently and read it and Russian, but I can not for the life of me even read one page of either script in cursive. What's even worse is that Serbian cursive and Russian cursive is different in fundamental ways, and not even in the differing letters. We write "g" and "d" different, I think, and many others.

>>77195543
Most Russian cursive is readable to most Russians.

>>77134999
i can decode some single words, but accuracy is like 10%

>>77110182
Another interpals and their derivates

hello /lang/
hispanohablantes, podrían revisar esta sección si tuviera errores o no?

A veces, mi hija Isla nos desperta a mi y mi marido, Gary, o más a menudo, la despartamos nosotros. Tras despertarme siempre me reviso la pulsa. Generalmente late 38 - 40 veces por minuto. Si es demasiada alta, me descanso ese día. Es tan importante escuchar a mi cuerpo. Bebo y como algo mientras dándola a Isla su desayuno.

>>77200628
I guess it should be 'si tiene' instead of 'si tuviera'

>What language are you learning?
Mandarin
>Share language learning experiences!
It's easy to speak it, learning characters is a HUGE pain in the arse.

When I go back to university, I want to pick French, German, Russian, or Arabic as another module to go along with Mandarin

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>>77108520

Yesterday I just started to use Duolingo to learn Spanish and am already at 30% fluency.

I took it for a few years in high school but never cared about actually learning it and did poorly. Now I have some dank buds and time to kill and I've been smoking weed and duolingoing for 5 or 6 hours every day.

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>>77203666
>5 or 6 hours every day
good lad

it's so fun when that happens, when you're "in the zone" and are able to just do 5 hours without even realizing that any time has passed

>>77200628
Hay unos detalles ahi.

>Tras despertarme siempre me reviso la pulsa
Se traduce mejor como "Tras levantarme siempre checo mi pulso"

>Mientras dándole a Isla su desayuno
"Mientras le doy a Isla su desayuno".

Corrigiendo nada mas la ortografia de Despertar, todo lo demas esta muy bien.

>>77187173
I see. Just wanna visit Chernobyl, that's all. Figured maybe a little Ukrainian couldn't hurt.

>>77184436
We only have three of those. French, Swedish and Russian I think.
/lang/ is not particularly productive

>>77204879
the problem is that there's too wide a variety of methods, many of which depend on a person's specific background

For example, I'm a native French speaker and in high school I was forced to take a year of Spanish, and as a result I already had a very good feel for the grammar and syntax of Spanish. Therefore, the way I proceeded to learn more Spanish was very different than how an Anglo who's never taken so much as a single Spanish class will proceed, and thus my personal insight/experience will not be particularly useful.

But perhaps it would still be worth it to try. Maybe next thread we should mention it in the OP or something?

>>77185505
>pagan
Is this what triggered your autismo to learn Mari?

No shame, brother

>>77203666
>5 or 6 hours every day.
I want that energy and dedication too, Satan.

>>77205057
>Maybe next thread we should mention it in the OP or something?
What exactly? That we have done 3 charts or that people with different backgrounds and mother languages learn from different perspectives?

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>>77205159
No, I'm not religious enough to care all that much about paganism (not to mention that I'm not at all anti-Christian), but I do think it's cool that they have a special snowflake culture in that regard. Also, it's a bit like Norse mythology, even if you don't believe in it in the slightest, and you have no interest in being one of those LARPer "neo-pagans", the stories themselves are pretty cool, for example that of the giant Onar who's been the guardian of the Mari people since their birth (pic related). Unfortunately, there's very little information on their mythology online, but apparently there's an encyclopedia which was published in Mari recently on their mythology. Maybe some day if I'm advanced enough, I'll try translating its contents on Wikipedia or something.

>>77205376
that we're looking for people who are willing to pitch in to help create charts

I think we should target the main languages of relevance, namely:
>Spanish
>German
>Portuguese
>Japanese
>Mandarin

And maybe other ones as well such as:
>Korean
>Italian
>Arabic

>>77204104
you won't need ukrainian to visit chernobyl, russian would be enough

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>tfw first Language is only spoken by 8 million people

who /rare/ here?

>>77204104
>Tras levantarme siempre checo mi pulso
>Siempre "checo"
Siempre Reviso.

>>77204104
muchas gracias.

>>77205563
Does Japanese really need one? Wouldn't the DJT guide cover it already?

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>>77208140
If they already have one in neat image format, then sure, we can just repost it here for added convenience. If instead they just have a bunch of links and shit, then we can reformat it into a nice aesthetic image, like the other ones /lang/ has already made.

For Japanese I also have this image, although it's outdated so new links would need to be found for those torrents. Also, last I heard, nama-sensei's youtube channel was ded.

Hallo /lang/! Wer hier /Deutsch/ lernen?

.אני אוהב חלב

>>77208324
ich have es in der Schule gelernt :-)

>>77208608
habe*
hate phoneposting

>>77206331
Y todavía traté de reducir la jerga mexicana lo mejor que pude. Gracias.

>>77206099
'Aight, thanks.

>>77208608
Ich habe einen Spanichkurs in der High School während einige meiner Freund hat einen Deutschkurs. Vor kürzlich ich wollte schon diese Sprache lernen.

>>77208539
احب الحليب ايضا

>>77205502
Very interesting

don't die

>>77212108
i gotcha senpai

>>77186467
No necesitas aprender nada para visitar Ucrania, al menos Kiev. Y para chernobyl hay que ir con tours organizados así que dudo que necesites más.

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So does anybody want to help me create an image guide like pic related, but for Spanish?

My way of learning Spanish might not be particularly useful for most people, but I still have a couple of ressources and tips that I could contribute. Ideally though it would also require the input of someone who has learned Spanish in a more "standard" way, and also someone to make a nice aesthetic image once we have a collection of links/tips/ressources.

I'm considering learning Indonesian Malay as a second language, mostly just to have a skill, I think Indonesia is an interesting country, and I have faith that they will develop, hopefully along a path similar to China, in the future and that this would be useful for business.
Any considerations I should have before beginning learning it? I'm in university, but I wouldn't be able to take classes until next semester, but I could do that either to start learning or I could start now and be ahead in the class.
Any thoughts?

>>77215626
It's often said that Indonesian is one of the easiest (if not THE easiest) major language in the world. I don't know a whole lot about it, but looking on Wiki at elements like plurals, phonetics, spelling, total lack of any conjugation, etc. I do recall a Polish anon on /int/ once who was learning Indonesian and who said that it's not quite as easy as it looks, IIRC because of the system of suffixes. That being said, every single language has at least one difficult part of some sort. All things considered, I think Indonesian does indeed look relatively easy compared to most languages. It's also a good gateway to the entire Malay-speaking world (Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore) and other Austronesian-speaking parts of the world (though the only other relevant one would probably be Tagalog). And in the case of Indonesian, Indonesians have a very poor grasp of English, so it has added usefulness in that sense (if ever you go to Indonesia).

Probably the main downside, as far as I can tell, is that it's surprisingly difficult to come into contact with Indonesians online. Despite how numerous they are, they don't seem to be a very tech-savvy people, for example on /int/ they're hardly present.

>>77215844
Thank you for the knowledge. I think my university has a "language roundtable" or something for people learning second languages and foreign exchange students or something. I know that there's a guy from Jakarta living across the hall from me for the summer, so there are at least some.

>>77215626
>>77215844
Also, learning a language "for future business" isn't necessarily a bad idea, though I wouldn't outright count on Indonesia becoming as developed as China, and most importantly I think there's no point in trying to learn a language if the first motivation isn't that you're actually interested in the language and its culture/people. In my personal experience, most people who try to learn a language "for business" end up giving up, because it's simply not sufficient motivation.

>>77114680
>Naranča se izgovara "naranđa"

Jel se trudiš ili si prirodno glup?

>>77206196
Do you support a Tuareg state?

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How long should I expect completing Pimsleur Spanish 1-5 to complete? I realize that it varies from person to person, but am I better off to go very slow and build lots of vocab at the same time using apps and books? Or to focus intently on Pimsleur and move through it faster?

>>77217951
How long should I expect to complete Pimsleur Spanish 1-5?

>>77217951
You can't focus too much on Pimsleur because you're not supposed to go beyond the recommended amount. Once you get the daily amount done do other things instead, don't overdo it.

>>77218178
Thanks.

>>77144238
Glad to see other Farsi learners here

Man kheli khoshalam to ham Farsi yad migiri. Baraye chand saal in zaban yad gerefti?

How similar are Farsi and Dari?

It's been quite a while now, but when I saw the movie "The Kite Runner" I remember being surprised by how nice Dari sounded.

Also what's the language like in a more general sense, especially from the perspective of a learner?

>>77218742
meant for >>77218297

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>thread keeps almost dying

>>77219972
Time for new thread.

>>77219982
we're not at 310 replies yet

my autismo prevents me from creating a new thread before 310

>>77121214
Hell Japanese is fun at times

>>77204879
>Swedish
Post it, pls.

>>77178754
Duo lingo, Completely Inaccurate

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>>77220298

>>77218742
Farsi and Dari are just as different as British English and American English. I don't know how much you're familiar with the language but Farsi very feminine language. However, Afghans' Dari has stronger and thicker accent that resembles Russian's. Both of them have no trouble understanding each other

I feel like duolingo might not be the best way to learn russian.
Too little context and rules given for changes in structure.

>>77221143
apparently the Penguin course is one of the best ways of learning

>>77220842
Thank you.

>>77154293
NEIN.

>>77183292
I just draw them on google translate too. Works on the desktop site too, not just the mobile app.