Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1876

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>>77001637
やるきか

So when から doesn't mean "from" or "after", it means "because"?

If 来ている, as described by TK, means that someone has "come and now exists at a place" what do you say when someone is "coming"? I imagine you'd probably use 今すぐ or something but what if you don't want to falsely imply any more than just the fact that they're in transit because you're not sure how soon they may arrive?

>>77002189
The て-form can also indicate continuing action

>>77002232
So 「もう、家に帰っている」, in addition to "He is already at home ", can also mean "He is already going home" then?

>>77002272
From what i get from TK is that when the ている is there that means that he is already at home, and not going home.

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>>77001676

>>77002272
use something like
もう帰り道の途中だ

もう帰っている doesn't work for that

もう(already)家("the" house=my house)に(at)帰って("going back" to where I was)いる(am now there)

goes like this

>>77003480
They are asking how to say "He is in the process of going home." Not already went home and is now there.

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how is this style called? i love it too much

Can anyone explain the difference between の andこと when nominalizing sentences?

The only time I've seen こと used instead of の is with the verb 後悔

>>77004056
this was pretty helpful to me

https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/1395/what-is-the-difference-between-the-nominalizers-%E3%81%93%E3%81%A8-and-%E3%81%AE

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>>77004011
(´・ω・｀)
しょぼん

Im just about finished with the core 6k deck but I just noticed this core 10k deck.
The 10k deck has all the 6k but more.

How do I start using that one while keeping my reviews from my deck from before?

>>77005915
try merging them

>>77005993
How do i do that? (´・ω・｀)

you click "Browse" in the desktop app, choose the cards you want to move in the 10k deck, and then click "Move Cards"
if you don't bother selecting only the non-6k cards, but instead select all of the cards, it may or may not add duplicates (I haven't tested this)

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自分を殺すことに決める

>>77006135
I think you might be talking about the "change deck" button after selecting the cards.
Anyways, it looks like if you select all the cards including the duplicates it will transfer them too.
There was an option to "tag duplicates" from a different menu but it doesn't remove them.

I found a separate deck that just has the 6k - 10k so its whatever.

>>77006424
バカなことを言うな。

>>77004417
>>77005797
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1499679259157.webm

>>77006446
yeah, chnge deck, forgot to mention that.

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>>77006424
どうか私と心中していただけないだァ…

Core-only tard here, i'm about 200 words in and I am not enjoying Core at all, is there any harm to dropping it completely and just learning from mining?

>>77006789
there's no harm

>>77006019
My net is dying at the moment and isn't allowing the image to be uploaded, so here is an archive link to image.
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/148528789/#148571410
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>>77006789
The core is just made in a way to give you easier words first.
That doesn't mean you will see them first when reading but sometimes it's easier to construct a sentence when you know the basics first.

I would suggest learning by whatever you feel comfortable.
That being said, the reason some classes in school were drilled into you is because that's how you learn.

But like exercising there is more things that can help you than just doing pushups all day. Not saying you have to do core but like something like football, it would be better to train your muscles with something like pushups ahead of time.

Hey guys.
What is デレ期?

>>77006789
The spaced repetition of the core deck is designed specifically to give you the best time/retention ratio.
I'm sure you CAN learn just from reading stuff and looking up words you don't know, but it would probably take more time for the same amount of retention.

>>77001848
>から
lol
so many
［格助］名詞・活用語の連体形に付く。また上代では、助詞「が」「の」「のみ」にも付く。
1 動作・作用の起点を表す。; from
空間的起点、出所を示す。「目から大粒の涙が落ちた」「本人から直接話を聞く」
「波の花沖―さきて散り来めり水の春とは風やなるらむ」〈古今・物名〉
時間的起点を示す。「会議は午後1時から始める」「朝から強い風が吹いている」
「明けぬ―舟を引きつつのぼれども」〈土佐〉
2 経由する場所を表す。…を通って。…に沿って。; through
「東京を出て、名古屋から京都へと向かう」
「人の親の娘子児(をとめこ)据ゑて守山辺(もるやまへ)―朝な朝(さ)な通ひし君が来ねば悲しも」〈万・二三六〇〉
3 理由・原因・動機・根拠を表す。…のために。…によって。; because of
「操作ミスから事故が生じた」
「恋草を力車(ちからぐるま)に七車積みて恋ふらくわが心―」〈万・六九四〉
4 材料、構成要素を表す。; be made with
「米から酒ができる」「水は水素と酸素からなる」
5 動作・作用の開始順序や発端を示す。; from
「先着の人から入場してください」
6 (多く下に副助詞「まで」を伴って)動作・作用の及ぶ範囲を表す。
「朝早くから夜遅くまで働く」「すみからすみまで探す」
7 移動の手段・方法を表す。…によって。…で。; by
「訪(と)ふべき人、徒歩(かち)―あるまじきもあり」〈かげろふ・下〉
[補説]レジで、店員が「1万円からお預かりします」と言う場合がある。「1万円から代金を頂きます」の意であろうか。従来は「1万円(を)お預かりします」と言っていた。関西から始まったともいうが不詳。1990年ころから目立ってきた言い方である。

［接助］活用語の終止形に付く。
1 理由・原因を表す。; because
「もう遅いから帰ろう」
「年号が変はった―、暦はもらはずはなるまい」〈咄・聞上手〉
2 (終助詞的に用いて)強い主張、決意を表す。ぞ。(emphasis)
「思い知らせてやるから」
［準体助］種々の語に付いて、それの付いた語句を全体として体言と同じはたらきをもつものにする。
1 以後、以上の意を表す。; after/ or more
「5キロからの重さ」
2 …から始めて、…をはじめとして、の意を表す。→からに →からは →てからが
「鍋そのもの―が品よく出来上って居る」〈漱石・虞美人草〉
[補説]「から」は本来「故」の意の体言であったとみられ、上代において助詞「が」「の」に付くのも、その要素が強いからという。1は平安時代以降の用法で、上代では「より」が受け持った。は1の用法から転じたもので、近世後期以降みられるようになった。は近世前期からみられる。

Japanese PM is in Finland RIGHT NOW

what does your country do with Japan?

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>>77008858
According to google its the point in a situation in which someone feels デレデレ (love struck, flirty, etc).
With a side note that デレデレ can also mean lazily but is as far as I know it is unrelated to the expression デレ期.

>>77007328
Thank you for doing this on the brink of your deathbed.
I've saved the picture.

>>77006514
Shobon did nothing wrong, why is she trying to fry its circuits? (´ﾟдﾟ｀)

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>>77009265
Haven't you watched the Olympics? We built a pipeline from Tokyo to Rio so Abe could come here and announce the Tokyo games.
But the motherfuckers have since cemented their end of the pipe to avoid immigration, we only found out when the tube started to overflow with dead Brazilians who would jump in there thinking they were going to see Japen.

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Who can explain grammar here?
Previously sentence
朝から他にも怪しいお届け物がこんなに沢山

>>77011391
怖くて開けられない

>>77011448
Dialect?

How do hard Rs work in Japan?
For example, in Spanish, "carro" means car, and "caro" means expensive. There's a clear distinction in pronunciation.

Are there words that use double R?

For example, and just an example
かっらて "karrate" would it be pronounced with the regular little pause from っ or a hard R?

What about a name like "Barrera"? Would it be バッレラ or just turning every hard R into soft ones like バレラ?

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>>77002189
>come and now exists at a place
来た(完了相) / やって来た
もちろんcomeが日本語の「行く」になる場合は「行った」です。
「来ている(居る)」には進行・継続だけではなく完了の意味もあるのは下記参照。
>what if you don't want to falsely imply any more than just the fact that they're in transit because you're not sure how soon they may arrive?
来ている最中だ / 来つつある (progressive aspect)
>>77002232
て-formは、JGがでっち上げた活用形で、正しくは「連用形+接続助詞て」です。
日本語の現代語の進行相continuous and progressive aspectsは「~連用形+接続助詞て+補助動詞いる」/「~連用形+接続助詞て+補助動詞いく」/「連用形+接助つつ+補助動詞ある」です。
単に「連用形+接続助詞て」は、連用中止法と同じです
また「車に乗って行く」のように手段を表す場合もあります
>>77002272
>>77002425
>>77003438
「帰る」という動作の進行相は「帰っていく」です。もちろん「帰っている所です」というように「帰っている」で表すことも多いですが。
大事なことは、現代の日本語は中世以降の中国語の影響もありtenseがなくaspectしかありません。助動詞「た」は完了の助動詞「たり」で「完了」です。
日本語の「…ている」は、場合によっては「行為の終わった結果の状態」もしくは「完了」を現すこともある。
「もう、家に帰っている」はperfect aspectの典型です。
ですから
I have already gone home.
(I am already at home)
これは、『もう、家に帰って夕食を食べています』と用例と比較してください。
この場合、接続詞「て」は状態・継続ではなく、確定条件の「て」であり、完了の助動詞「た」の連用形とする説もあります(一般には、助動詞「た」に連用形はない)。

Come to Japanese Thread if you want to learn Japanese more.

>>77011698
>>77011734
So it doesn't exist just like Ls and single S/Rs. You have to Japanese your name up, I guess.

So Carlos Barrera will always be カルロス・バレラ

>>77011478
No, the character is just using the て-form of 開けられない to indicate hesitation etc.

>>77011644
*これは、『もう、家に帰って夕食を食べています』の用例と比較してください。

>>77011147
You are talented in humor.

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>>77011391
朝から他にも怪しいお届け物がこんなに沢山
From the morning, I got so many other doubtful presents.
私怖くて開けられなくって
So, I can not open them because I'm scared
私(は)+形容詞「怖い」連用形+原因・理由の接続助詞「て」、動詞の「開ける」未然形+可能の助動詞「られる」未然形+否定の助動詞「ない」連用形+強意の終助詞「って」

怖くて開けられなくて触れなくて寝れなくて

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>>77011478
In this case, the connective particle "て" expresses a cause.
We Japanese don't consider て foam to be the conjugation.
"て" is one independent word not the conjugational suffix of the verb.
you see?

Come to Japanese Thread if you want to learn Japanese more.

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>>77012827
>Come to Japanese Thread if you want to learn Japanese more.
Too much spam, お断りします

>>77006424
http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/自分を殺す
自分を殺す in Japanese is self-restraint

What is the chi honorific for?

Friends?

>>77013499
謹慎じゃないの?

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あいつは自分を殺して一人この村を去ったんだ・・・

>>77013689
自制のつもりだった・・・

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Do NOT go to Japanese Thread.

I had 3 advanced questions, so I went to Japanese Thread in 3 different circumstances. None of them were answered, except for the spammer.

>>77011644
説明してありがとうございます。でも、残念ですが、多分質問者にとってこの説明は理解しづらい気がしますよ。このスレでは、文法や学習方法の質問は大抵初心者から聞かれるのです。

英語では進行形は随分普通ですね。なので、質問者は「どうやって進行相で”He is going home”と言うの?」と聞いて、僕が「今帰る途中です」と答えましたが、間違えますか?今でも正解だと思いますが、僕はやっぱりネーティブじゃないですね。

ところで、Japanese threadはあまり初心者や日本語の質問に向いてないと思いますよ。スパマーもいるし

FUCK counters

>>77015368
They're fucking retarded and nonsensical

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Not everyone is gonna make it. But you are!

See you in 日本語ノヴァルハラ, space loli.

もしもし~ 今帰るところだよ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPImxz_L8Cg

>>77013499
Then how do I say" I'm planning to kill myself"?

>>77016050
自殺

自殺の計画を立てようと思う

>>77015951
Oh I thought 帰るところだ meant "just about to leave" not already left and on the way.

>>77015368
>>77015424
I don't think they're so bad. anyone who can memorize the past tense forms of common English verbs can memorize counters

>>77016050
if you use a sword, that is 自害 or 自決.
殺 is a word used for others.
まあ冗談だけど、江戸時代までは無かった言葉だな。

>>77016320
”帰る途中”と大体同じ意味ですね。。

>>77009244
fug

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今日安倍晋三デンマークが訪問
彼はデンマークの首相と会う. おもしろいね?

I'm still learning, excuse me

>>77017865
安部さんが改憲に成功して日本を普通国家化して韓国の役割まで代わりしてもらいたい。アジアの希望浮かぶ太陽 日本 応援します

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アメリカには至る所で黒人がいる

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Does order found mean I'm going to learn these kanji next or it's random?

Shut up 囚人

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>>77023536
何

>>77022350
Order found means you found the kanji that you've already seen in that order.

>>77025418
I know that, but does it mean next session I'm going to see those white ones?

>>77025457
No, it only applies to the ones you've already seen.

Does anyone offhand know the dialect that turns a lot of the k and t sounds into g and d? Like 開げで、がら、分がらない、早ぐで, etc.

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>>77026857
ぼぐもにほんごがでぎる

>>77023536
Neither Australia nor New Zealand were officially prison colonies, however the USA was. In this context you are descendent of 囚人、黒奴、and the national product of 奴隷労働。Don't worry, you'll be 墨人 soon enough.

>>77027035
You made me laugh. But seriously it's a thing, lol. I think it might be 仙台弁。

”いいがら、早ぐ!”
”いだえぇ!”
”見だ?”
”。。だげど”

>>77011533
There are no double r's.

>>77026857
Sounds like a 東北 thing to me, but I'm not sure of the specific region.

>>77029413
Thanks, you're right. It's on the movie's wikipedia page; I should have just looked there first.

よし これから負けないことにした

ハレムの王様になれ

>>77030217
複数の女の期待を同時に裏切るつもりか

How does といい work in a sentence like this?
マリアンといい、どうして特異鏡映点がいるって分かったんだ?

特異鏡映点 is a fictional term for a sort of "chosen one" in this world

リフィルさんが特異鏡映点だから連れて行こうとしたのか。。。
マリアンといい、どうして特異鏡映点がいるって分かったんだ?
それは彼らが特異鏡映点の具現化に関わっているから...かも知れないわね。

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栗霰串丸
>before learning Japanese
Kuriarare Kushimaru? Sounds badass!
>learning Japanese
Mary-skewer Nutstorm? WHY, JAPANESE PEOPLE?!

もうちょっと君達普通の会話しよう

>>77032427
タイが食べたい

>>77032516
イカを食べなイカ

Any good android app to practice Kanji writing and stroke orders?

So, I use chiitrans lite to hook games, but I did a clean install of Windows 10 and now it won't hook anything.

Same games, won't hook at all. Any thoughts?

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>出直してらっしゃい
Is that just a weird version of していく or してくる with いらっしゃる instead of いく/くる?
In that case what the fuck does that even mean?
Or am I completely off?

>>77033732
いらっしゃい
Short for いらっしゃいませ, which is in command form . Come again

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>>77033491
>Windows 10

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>>77034118
Yeah what was I thinking coming here? No one actually knows anything.

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>>77033491
>Windows 10

Well I give up on trying to get text hookers to work. Fuck it, Windows 10 sucks for pirating Japanese video games.

Isn't there a way to put LNs in your browser and use Rikai to read?

>>77035315
>Well I give up on trying to get text hookers to work.

Check the resource list in the OP. Chiitrans is shit.

>Isn't there a way to put LNs in your browser and use Rikai to read?

Check the library in the OP.

>>77035592
I tried ITH or ITHVN or w/e the fuck it's called and that doesn't work either. I used to use AGTH but that doesn't work either.

>Check the library in the OP.

Oh wow when did they add this? Nice.

>>77035675
What do you mean by "it won't hook anything"? Have you tried running the hooker as administrator (right click the icon)?

>>77035819
Yep. It does nothing. You click through the game and nothing at all pops up. I select "show all new contexts" and nothing at all pops up. Nothing.

i have found "how are you " means 調子はどうだい?
yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
now i get english mastered
i can speak english native level

>>77037605
You can't learn English.

>>77037823
Σ(´д｀;)what

>>77037605
そうですか?
それなら、ジェイムズ ジョイスの著書を読んで見るといい!

>>77039074
>ジェイムズ ジョイスの著書
dare dedesuka ?

>>77035315
You can always learn a crapton of words beforehand and not need them! Worked for me.

>>77039074
google de sirabeta。
>『ユリシーズ』(Ulysses)

(#°д°)読めるか!ただでさえギリシアの話は登場人物ややこしいのにさらに英語で読めって鬼かね?君は!

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>>77039101
その人は知らないの?
ここは最初のページの『フィネガンズ・ウェイク』です
あんたは英語が流暢ならできるはずです

>>77039334
ｳｳｳ(-”-;)久しぶりに横文字見たら頭痛くなった…

>>77039334
君が英語が流暢だという前提で言わせてもらう
嘘つきました。ごめんなさい。もうしません

>>77039334
Irish English is retarded though

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>張り切りようだ

I've looked everywhere on the internet and I can't find the stem + ようだ structure, or what it's supposed to mean. I know the ようだ grammar, I just have no idea why stem is being used here. What does Vstem + ようだ mean in general, and in this context?

Why use stem over 張り切っているようだ here?

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>>77001637
箱入りドロップス volume 6 was published today.
1~6 is in the mega folder below
https://mega.nz/#F!5RomFTDK!Vq6JgvNyStsJSgGklbYFBQ

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>ちな事

説明が要る

>>77041623
The grammar point you want to Google is がち.

>>77041623
You're reading it wrong, you should read it as "見がちな事”
~がち-https://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/entries/221.html
"な" is just connector between nouns and adjective - http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/adjectives

>>77041335
Based anon.

>>77041803
夢見がちな

>>77034010
Ah I see. Thanks!

how would i say "He wants to hang out with you." in Japanese?

全部僕が通販したんだ、勝手に開けるな
What does mean した here?

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>>77041623
>>77042397
~しがちだ : tend to do
夢見がち(like having a tendency to dream)
→ dreamy
そんな夢見がちなことを信じているのですか
Do you believe such a dreamy thing?

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>>77047226
mere a part of past form of 通販する

>>77047226
I understand, suru in ta-form

That one dumb hiccup earlier aside (braindead moment), I'm really admiring my progress with how easy I find Nier Automata, even as someone who's a little rusty. That was the first time that I'd had a reason to open DoJG in a long time. I remember back when not only were sentences that I could read without issues not the norm, but it was cause for celebration.

Suggestion to any intermediate learners (say, 6k+ words): Drop the texthooker. It'll always be calling to you as something that enables you to turn off your brain and not try, which will ironically make the activity more difficult in the mid-term, as you won't be able to lazily pick up on the word without any assistance. Don't wait until you feel like you have no use for the texthooker. You're just delaying your final push.

Use it if you're a beginner, though. I couldn't imagine trying to read without a texthooker when you have to look something up every two seconds.

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>そこに大きな円をかいて。
>大きな円
「大きい」 is a I-adj. And I thought you don't use 「な」 for I-adjectives.
Is this a mistake or am I missing something ?

>>77047237
Is there any negative connotation when がち is used? Or is it neutral?

>>77047641
>You're just delaying your final push.
that has become a really bad habit for me, sometimes I use kanjitomo before I even tried to read a word

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>>77048723
IMO:
「後れ勝ち」「病気勝ち」
がち(勝ち) is negative a little
likewise , as for ぎみ(気味)
「焦り気味」「太り気味」

>>77048643
It's not a mistake. Some adjectives have both forms.
This has more info about that topic:
https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/1853/i-adjectives-used-as-na-adjectives-is-there-a-difference-e-g-%E5%A4%A7%E3%81%8D%E3%81%84-versus-%E5%A4%A7%E3%81%8D%E3%81%AA

>>77049116

I think that it's impossible to completely ignore tools that'll feed you words with minimal effort on your part, and then to avoid using them in a way that hinders you. Even if you consciously deny the crutch, your mind still wants it. Again, ironically, the availability of a crutch will weigh on you and make the task more stressful. After a certain point in your learning, getting rid of it increases immersion and focus.

Back to my personal blog, I don't think that I'm going to return to anki. Anki is the best tool for beginners who are looking to get over the wall as soon as possible, but the sheer tedium of it has always destroyed my focus for hours that could be spent reading, and mining is just one more thing to worry about. I'm good enough at reading now that absorbing the rest through exposure doesn't feel like overload. I have zero interest in having 20k mature vocabulary cards.

>>77047641
Come on mate, you really aren't in any position to make suggestions to intermediate learners. That was not a simple braindead moment, it was a fundamental error born of both lack of exposure and lack of basic comprehension.

You are still a beginner, one who doesn't know how to use a fucking search engine.

>>77050945

That was me being rusty, and the not looking it up properly was the braindead. I wasn't exaggerating when I say that it's been a long time since I've had reason to open DoJG, and it's not due to just being "I don't understand that, but whatever" (thus the question). The "can read most sentences without looking anything up" wasn't a lie, either.

I'm not going to blow up my accomplishments by calling myself fluent, but I'm also not going to downplay them by pretending like I'm still spending an hour getting through a ten minute conversation. Sometimes, a ten minute conversation doesn't take me much longer than ten minutes (my reading is slow due to the fact that I'm having trouble kicking mental vocalization, and I don't vocalize anywhere near as fast as a native). I'm neither a beginner nor a master. I'm intermediate.

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So i'm a NEET who has a lot of free time during the day, is there any downside to doing my reps once a day and doing custom studies occasionally throughout the day to reinforce new words?

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>>77051326
So, are you're asking if there is any problem in studying longer?

>>77051617
Wasn't sure if maybe there was some downside to essentially studying all day
Like maybe it'd bite me in the ass by not allowing myself time to let it sit or something, if that makes sense

>>77047641
I'm at the point where I can comfortably read most stuff I care about while only encountering unknown words every 30 or so lines/pages, but it's still hard to resist the temptation of looking those words up...

>>77039334
>Joyce's gobbledegook

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>>77051713
>Wasn't sure if maybe there was some downside to essentially studying all day

Yeah the downside is that you will be an isolated NEET who becomes fluent in Japanese at a much faster rate, lol. Welcome to the club mate.

>>77047641
>>77051823
out of curiosityy what exactly do you read that you don't have to look stuff up, don't tell me it's slice of life mango

>>77051326
>>77051713
The only potential downside is that if you over-exert yourself, you might get burned out on learning Japanese and lose motivation for a while.

Question on interpretation of a sentence:

"そうするべくつくった仔" obviously means something along the lines of "Offspring created for the purpose of doing so", but can the つくった in it be also be used in a way that the sentence would mean "Offspring raised for the purpose of doing so"?

I ask because つくる is usually used to mean "create", but "raise" and "train" are listed as alternate definitions. But I'm not sure if a native speaker would use it in context of the latter.

How would you translate "I'm drinking a coffee in a café at 15:30" ?

>>77056160
私は3時半に喫茶店でコーヒーを飲んでいます

>>77001637
has djt always had a discord server?

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tfw to intelligent to understand how japanese verbs work

;_; send help friends

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sry i was visiting australia

>>77056668
maybe if you turn the book about 180° degree it will probably get much easier

>>77056506
thanks dude, also why isnt it 飲みます at the end?

>>77056759
飲みます is drink

飲んでいます is drinking

Similar nuance between English and Japanese there.

>>77056721
>>77056668
What do you not understand?

>>77053475
Just normal manga, VNs and video games. Not ultra-chuuni 3000 kanji stuff, but not Yotsubato either. Right now I'm reading Utawarerumono and Otoyomegatari.

>>77056922
thanks mate

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>お礼いってくる

Why is くる used over いく here? I read the DOJG entry. So first off she wants to go somewhere and say thanks, which would prompt me to use ていく. But the DOJG entry says くる can be used if you can shift the viewpoint to the person you're talking about, which I assume is done here but I don't really understand. Doesn't it make sense to talk from your own viewpoint and say "I'll go thank her" or something like that?

>>77057770
Go thank her and come back. Think of いってきます.

>>77057980
Never seen いってきます in plain form before so I didn't even think that's what it was. Makes sense now.

>>77056640
Funny that like half the people there are learning kana and most of the other half are doing Core2K and Tae Kim. Seems like almost everyone gives up on Japanese after the absolute beginner stage.

>>77058217
Oh, no, she's saying 言って来る, not 行って来る. It's just the てくる part that's the same.

>>77058340
Honestly that's why I just ponied up the money and took a few classes in college. It forces you to lrn2write.

Kana's one of the biggest hurdles, but you're opportunities expand a TON when you got it.

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>>77058600
>Kana's one of the biggest hurdles,

>>77058340
I haven't even made it to the beginner stage because grammar is too hard.

>>77058658
Biggest initial hurdles would be a better way to say it. People are fucking lazy and don't want to bother learning new ones.

"Oh nooo, a く. So hard. How will I ever understaaand?"

>>77058790
I get what you're saying, but I still hope you didn't invest more money than some paper and wax crayons would have cost you

>>77058900
I wish I could say that, but I know myself and I don't have the discipline to learn on my own.

>>77056721
Did you fall for the Genki meme on Reddit? Me too, anon. Tae Kim and DoJG is all you need.

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>>77059184
You don't have the discipline to learn kana on your own and you think you're gonna learn Japanese?

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>he thinks that he will understand japanese while not knowing at least 200,000 kanji

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my pens came today, very nice. i love pentel, i have a graphgear 1000 too by pentel and it's amazing.

>>77059385
im not seriously invested learning japanese to any real extent.

i just want to know enough to buy some food, say hi to peope, read train tickets, ask tiny questions. i think it will make visiting japan more fun when i go in maybe a year or two, that's all.

i think genki is better suited to my needs, the cd is extremely helpful and i'm learning vocabulary pretty naturally through the exercises.

>>77059597
I'm sorry

>>77059597
https://youtu.be/oo0SHLxc2d0

>>77059472
I've gotten farther than most people, at least.

If you learn better with classes, take classes. If you don't, self-study. What's important is the end result, not how you get there.

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>>77059597

>>77056668
>>77059648
Use something that isn't designed to slow down your learning.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar
http://sakubi.neocities.org/

>>77041623
そのお尻
hnnnng

What are some other Yotsuba-tier mangos?

>>77062068
https://www.mangaupdates.com

>>77056721

>uselessly wordy so that they can sell it to you for $150 instead of $20; makes what should be a concise lesson bloated and difficult to follow
>loaded down with dumb shit (ik)

I hate college textbooks so much. These old corrupted monoliths that we call universities have a million reasons why they need be significantly cut down and bypassed by the population at large, if not replaced altogether by a more focused and less corruptible system.

>>77063048
the previous three chapters were extremly well written and easy to follow.

i do think this one is a bit too much information at once. im having a hard time concentrating right now to read it. it's kinda like reading a math proof, very dense, i need to pay attention to understand it.

>>77059979
>video starts pointing out how out of control suicide is in Japan
>finishes by saying the rate is twice as big as in the USA
Man, fuck "reporters", why don't he try to save Americans? 10.000 people in Japan is anuddah holocaust, but 5.000 in the USA is just data?

Retarded documentary.

>>77063755
Not defending the fake news media, but 10k Japs dying in a country of 120M is a big deal compared to 5k Americans dying in a country of 320M.

The rate is significantly higher.

Does anyone have any book recommendations on learning verbs?

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>ならない
Is this literally just the negative of なる? I've been overthinking this for a bit, but that's really all it is, isn't it?

>>77064460
godan raspberry

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How fucked am I if this is for our textbooks?

>>77064705
Very. Abort that shit.

Are you taking it for college?

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>>77064477
I don't know what else it could be

>>77064705
it's literally just "tea"

>>77064802
Yeah, its a language course at our university.
This would be the last semester at university. afterwards I would need to go to the JKI in cologne for further courses.
Was considering taking them, finish my degree and then go to language school in Japan for a year. Or study a year abroad at the end of my studies.
>>77064938
Yeah, there is a separate row for the tea meaning.

>>77064486
Can you spoonfeed me a link? I can't find it online.

>>77065101
I made it up, you poor bastard.

I'm sorry.

>>77064349
Nonono, he states the RATE is twice as high, not the absolute number.

>>77064705
>celemony
I had no idea you could pay alimony in just celery.

>>77064938
Thanks. I really need to stop second-guessing.

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how am I supposed to conceptualize the meaning of the particle で in "しないでください

>>77065756
If she was a big fat cow, I fail to see the problem.

>>77065864
Think of it as で for method.

>>77065864
>conceptualize the meaning
I-it's just a negatve imperative...

>>77065864

しなくて = しないで

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How would you write /straightshota/ in Japanese?

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>>77065344

>>77065205
Day of the rake when?

>>77065864
Not that it matters to a learner, but even Japanese linguists aren't sure.

"「ないで」については、打消しの助動詞「ない」に、助詞「で」、あるいは断定の助動詞「だ」の連用形「で」が付いて成ったとする説などがあり、いまだ定説をみない。また、「ないで」全体を接続助詞などとする扱いもある。"
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/162543/meaning/m0u/

>>77066018
おねショタ

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>kicked from /jp/ because you fucked up
>kicked from /a/ because even /a/utists know you can't learn japanese from cartoons
>sent to /pol/ lite because your general is garbage

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>>77066488
Sankyuu.

>>77065921
I'm trying but I think I'm just too dumb
>>77065942
I'm having trouble to understand how does the で particle fit in
>>77065945
is that even a word?
>>77066435
oh well

>>77066562
>kicked from /jp/ because you fucked up
You seem confused, parceiro.

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started reading the seikai no monshou novel, but it's pretty hard

とにかく, お前らはジントの位置にいたら、そして宇宙妖精マンコのために人類を裏切るか裏切らないかの選択が現れたら、どちらにするか

fuck I'm dumb
I finally made sense out of it
>>77065921 got the right idea
thanks

What book reader do you guys use?

>>77067390
As in, device or programm?

>>77067589
Program

>>77067607
I use Honeyview and a chrome extension called Manga Viewer.
No idea for mobile though

So what is the official DJT method for learning kanji? Just learn compounds that you come across while reading and hammer them into your brain through a flashcard app?

Redpill me on wanikani. Is it actually a meme? Or do people here hate it because it costs money and is popular on Reddit

>>77068999
Anki does everything it does for free

>>77068143
When a person needs software, it is most likely a dumb phone poster, anon. Everyone knows how to open a PDF or an image browser, they just have to ask because they're confined into a platform made for impairing users.

>>77068809
Route 1 - Learn Radicals (couple weeks), then individual Kanji (couple months), then Vocab words (years)
Route 2 - Learn Radicals, skip to vocab.
Route 3 - Start from vocab words, learn radicals and individual kanji on demand.

The downside of route 1 is the time invested into not learning anything readily useful. The downside of route 3 is learning it without much structure.
Consider whether you're able to autismo your way through it or if you want to learn some actual language ASAP. In the end, the method that keeps you going is the best one.

>>77069043
Oh, and by the way: yeah, with flashcards. Unless you are in Japan or pulling some AJATT stunt, it's not gonna sink in time.

I tried Kanji Study to practice Kanji on my android, but turns out the app has DLC and only lets me practice the grade 1 ones.

Any recommended app that is free and full? I'd like them mostly to practice the writing and radicals.

>>77069043
>>77069079
Thanks. I'm at a point between beginner and intermediate after 3 semesters of study, but I want to take my language learning much more seriously now. I probably have a vocabulary of 1-2k words and recognize 200-300 kanji.

I figure I want to follow a plan where I first learn the radicals, and then combine learning the kanji via a mnemonic method along with vocab I come across. The problem is I have no idea which of these kanji learning "methods" to follow, there is a lot of stuff out there and I'm the kind of learner where I do well when I have a solid plan and stick to it. Thanks for your help

>>77069043

Adding on to that >>77069476 , there's a Kinokuniya (japanese bookstore chain) near my house, and I was looking through their books on Kanji today. The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course seemed like a really well thought out resource. I've read that the method of learning the kanji according the the MEXT graded levels might be unintuitive because those are designed based around meanings, not around the simplicity of the kanji itself. Therefore a radical based option might be better. At the end of the day I guess it doesn't really matter what order as long as you get there in the end.

>>77066608
There's nothing to think about.

The usual way to ask someone to do something is to put the verb in the て form and maybe add a word meaning please like ください.

ないで is the negative て form that is used in this construction (rather than なくて)

You don't need to break it down further than that.

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>計算外
Is this supposed to mean something like "outside of calculations"? Along the lines of "unaccounted for" or "unexpected"?

>>77040558

I'm still looking for an answer if anyone is willing to help

>>77069476
>>77069594
Yeah, KKLC is a good resource, there's a deck for that in the CoR in case you need it.

>>77071342
Yes, insecure-kun! If it makes sense, you are most likely in the right path (if not, you will notice after enough occasions where it doesn't work come up). That's an important skill to have, trusting your guts to avoid getting stuck.

>>77040558
よう + だ
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/226111/meaning/m0u/%E6%A7%98/

6 動詞の連用形の下に付いて複合語をつくる。

ありさま、ようすなどの意を表す。「喜び様」「可愛がり様」

…する方法、…するやり方などの意を表す。「ほかのし様もある」「しかり様が悪い」

>>77040558
Verb stems often attach directly to nouns to form compound words. If you do a google search for はりきり you'll see a bunch of compound words made up like はりきり体育、はりきり朝ごはん

So I'm pretty sure はりきりよう is just a compound word formed with よう. It even appears in the Japanese dictionary weblio, and means pretty much what you'd expect: showing a lot of enthusiasm for something.

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今日、スケートボードで仕事に通勤ながら、転んで手を傷しちゃった…
本当に痛いよぉ

>>77058551
お礼(を)言ってくる ... くる=towards the speaker

>>77064477
yup... ならない = don't need

>>77065864
it's conjugation

してください v。しないでください
positive v. negative

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>>77073072
痛いの痛いの飛んでけ~!

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>私

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>>77073714
>わたくし

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>>77074286
>わし

>>77074324
>あたい

>>77072556

https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A5%E3%82%88%E3%81%86(1)

Is the above link the correct meaning for the picture I posted?

>>77074883
>>77072556


Nevermind, I think this describes the correct meaning: ありさま、ようすなどの意を表す。「喜び様」「可愛がり様」

"Represents the meaning/feelings concerning the appearance/state of affairs" or some shit like that. Please correct me if I'm wrong, which I probably am.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af1B9o7gcAA

lol

>>77060403
>sakubi
Stop.

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Just started 5 days ago, how's my progress djt?

Also what's y'all's opinions on Morph Man? Is it too late for me to switch voer and is it even worth it over the traditional Anki sorting system?

>>77073714
What am I supposed to use faggot?

>>77075072
Close enough, depend less on the English translation.
I like 広辞苑 definition here more anyways, a lot more concise esp. if you want a good anki definition.
>(動詞の連用形に付いて)…するしかた。…するぐあい。「口のきき―が悪い」「彼の喜び―といったらない」

>>77075897
What?

>>77076512
Everyone knows you shill your shit and false flag here.

>>77076524
You are mentally ill.

if i listen to all 66 of kawama 先生 ビヂオ will i be able to understand spoken japanese?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM09fqr6Abg&list=PLINFE8v4DOhu_3LutLwJWetAhdcCrBF4X&index=1

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What does 足元 means here?

>>77075072
It seems you didn't see my reply to your original question, but はりきりよう is even in the dictionary.

>>77072995

stem + よう is just a productive way to form word compounds, which is exactly what the first line in that dictionary entry the other guy posted says.

>>77075915
>5 days
>progress
Come back in 3 months, you Adderall brat.

>>77076535
Reminder that your shitty guide is CC0, and I have a copy of it saved. One of these days I'll "improve" it beyond recognition and shill the hell out of it, so people learn Japanese the REAL, 100% CORRECT way.

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>>77077451
Joke's on you, I have nothing to do with this guide.

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>>77077476
Hey, look what a coincidence, I am also you! And everyone in this thread!

I wonder if you are so autistic, SO AUTISTIC, you can't even notice how flat and obvious your crap is. I was reading on this kind of thing the other day, but since aspies tick differently, they are not able to get the social cues that make up for a good lie - they think all it takes is to state something that is not contradictory.

>>77076934
(3)身の回り。身辺。また,置かれている状況。「―を脅かす」「―を固める」
FASHION~~

>>77077615
Dude, I go out of my way to respond to myself, the easiest thing in the world, for the lulz, and you think I'm making it up because it's inconvenient? Maybe you guys really ARE mentally ill, holy shit.

>>77069476
>I probably have a vocabulary of 1-2k words and recognize 200-300 kanji.
this is nowhere near intermediate though

Wut dis?

>4chanでshitpostをしていれば自殺する必要はありません
4chanにいることだけで心が充分萎縮するからね
なるほど

>>77079467
I don't know, are you quoting something and then adding a comment below it? Is the whole thing copied from elsewhere? If so, is the first line supposed to be green, where the rest is not? Or you just niggered the quote function?

So many variables...

>>77079692
I was baitposting elsewhere and then I got that whole thing as a reply

>>77079703
"Just being on 4chan (not only shitposting) is enough to make my mind rotten."
I'm confused by your post anyways.

What do you guys do with leech? I have like 1916 leech card and I'm not sure if it's better to re-learn or just delete it.

>>77079467
>4chanでshitpostをしていれば自殺する必要はありません
when you're on 4chan shitposting there's no need for suicide
>4chanにいることだけで心が充分萎縮するからね
because your heart shrinks enough already just by being on 4chan
>なるほど
I see? (don't know what this is doing here)

What does this say?
アンドリューがきやがたぁぁぁぁーーーー

>>77080572
Andrew has arrived!!!

>>77080791
Thanks

ドキドキ

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>>77080478
They are tagged automatically according to the deck options my vocab deck has. Until just now I wasn't even aware of any leeches this deck has, of which there are apparently 5 of them, at least according to the card browser.
Are you leech cards suspended? If they are then you could always unsuspend them in set amounts per day and reintroduce them into the normal learning and review cycle.

>>77080572
>>77080791
>>77080820
Doesn't it also have the notion of "how dare him to (arrive/come)"?

>>77082664
I'd say the connotation here is more like "look who finally showed up"

just started learning hiragana, and now im pickiing up yotsuba
is there a good jap dict that allow me to write something and convert it to hiragana?

How the fuck do I speed up reading?

>>77083317
You should use an ime. It saves a lot of time in the long term.

>>77083956
Read faster?

>>77084042
Ok, how do I look words up faster?

>>77084115
Reread sentences/passages that contain words/kanji that you struggle with. Try to get them to stick.

Reading short stories or newspaper articles can be a good way of practicing this way.

I need your help with a sentence
for context, it's from Shinsekai Yori when they play this game where they move figures with their telekinesis power
the team of the protagonist hides their goal with a trick and the opposing team is confused. One of the protagonists teammates makes a scornful comment towards the opposing team, then the protagonist thinks

>味方のわたしが見てもどうかと思うくらいだから、敵から見れば、さぞかし憎々しいことだろう。

Am I understanding it correctly that the protagonist basically says "because It makes even me, as a ~ally/teammate~, think 'how (do they do it)', it surely must be a malicious thing, when you look at it from the enemies' perspective,"
or am I going in the wrong direction and it's actually about the scornful comment from her teammate?

「心にも無い事を」

What is this? Something about heart

>>77080791
>>77082664
>>77082901
So what is it?

>>77084604
>Wenn selbst ich als Verbündeter es als unklug erachte, muss es aus der Perspektive der Feinde wahrlich boshaft erscheinen.

Gemeint ist das Äußern des boshaften Kommentars, schätze ich.

>>77084783
It's an idiomatic expression:
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E5%BF%83%E3%81%AB%E3%82%82%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84-500506

>>77084604
>>77084813
more or less the full context, if that helps

>「ある? どこに?」
>「敵に教える筋合いは、ないと思うけどな」
>覚が嘲弄した。
覚 being a dick
>「おい。ちょっと、時間を止めろよ。おかしいぞ!」
>学は、口を尖らせて叫ぶ。
>「だめよ。向こうが勝手なこと言っても、絶対に、時間は止めないでね」
>真理亜は、タイムキーパーの四班の生徒に釘を刺す。
>「冗談じゃないよ! ゴールがないのに、どうやって試合を続けるんだ?」
>「だから、あるって」
>いきり立つ学に対して、瞬は、あくまでも落ち着いていた。
>「探せよ。ただし、そっちの時間を使って」
>覚が、にやにやしながら言う。
覚 being smug again
>味方のわたしが見てもどうかと思うくらいだから、敵から見れば、さぞかし憎々しいことだろう。
the actual sentence in question

>>77084604
It looks questionable even to an ally like me, so it must surely be detestable from an enemy's point of view.

>>77084813
danke, ich glaub ich habe den kontext etwas zu sehr verzerrt im ersten kommentar
>>77086249
thanks

is katakana harder than hiragana?

>>77087239
most people seem to think so

>>77087239
katakana are refurbished kanji radicals so theyre less distinct

>>77082105
Yeah, I know that I could unsuspend it, but should I? Some people say that it just a waste of time to focus on leech instead of new card, etc.

>>77077451
>"Adderall brat"
>Brazilian in charge of insults
Go back to your 3rd world shitstain faggot.

You're not neglecting your writing skills, right djt?

>>77089350
By writing you mean typing. No, I'm not.

>>77088547
lmao rekd

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Jesus christ what the hell is this mess? Is it 見てていいな or 見てていない ?

千粽

How do you say this?

>>77090976
Woops wrong kanji, 千薪

>>77091021
ちまき

>>77076466
>>77077026

Thanks a lot.

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What's the difference between these two?

>>77093696
The workbook probably has all the exercises

>>77090255
>Is it 見てていいな
this


>見てていない
you already have a いる in there, so that doesn't make any sense

>>77093773
Then I guess, I'll take that. Thanks.

>>77035315
Run Windows 7/XP on a virtual machine.

丁寧語 is absolutely the worst fucking thing ever.

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「ねえ、待ってよ」成人のなかでも歩幅が大きいティルに、幼い少年は小走りにならないとついていけなかった。ふだんはゆっくり歩いてくれるのに、今夜はいったいどうしてしまったんだろう?

this part confuses my brain 小走りにならないとついていけなかった
how would you translate this?

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I don't understand the use of また (again/addition?) in そりゃまた面白そうね. How does it change my interpretation of the sentence as a whole of simply "That seems (sounds) interesting"?

>>77095191
If the boy didn't jog, he wouldn't be able to keep up with ティル whose stride was long even among adults.

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>>77095545
oh I just realized I'm retarded, thanks
for some reason I thought 小走り meant the opposite

hey, is there a book on nipponese idioms available for free on the internet?

>>77093848
You should take both, it's a set

>>77095330
I would translate また as something like "another." It implies that Yotsuba-chan brings something interesting again.

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