/lang/ - Language Learning thread

>>75978447

https://pastebin.com/ZrY22qe0
>Few more resources that didn't fit into OP

Radio.garden is fucking awesome

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>>75978557
This thq.
>mfw the station is unreachable

>>75978915
Umatrix?

if you're learning french, you might want to check out ekouter.net . It's a site that has a ton of lectures and stuff on a bunch of different topics in french.

kpop

>>75978928
It's the problem with the radio station, when I google those radio stations some are not providing services anymore but still appear as available on the radio.garden.Though very rarely of course.

>>75978557
What do you listen to?

>>75979531
Everything, I get a kick out of listening to radios in the middle of nowhere like Iran or east Russia.

Try Dorojnoe Radio from Khabarovsk, it plays old Russian music and it's pretty cool

>>75979749
It doesn't play old music right now, I want a radio station that plays folk (of any language) 24/7. Can you recommend me some if you know?

>>75980334
Let me try and find some. You can scroll through the spot's stations and usually there's a "folk" in the radio names somewhere.

>>75966553
Thanks, that's an interesting link, but I should say it's not Syriac per se (in that sense), the current language is just very similar and partially descends from it.

There are speakers of it from the country you're in, of course.

>>75980673
Thanks, I will try to find some too.
Are you interested in Greek music btw?

>>75980334
>>75980673

Bulgaria has a lot of folk radios, near Burgas you should find "Radio Folk 91.6" for example, don't know if it's what you're looking for

The south European and middle eastern countries have more folkish radios than the other countries it seems

I know Japanese. AMA. Not in kanji though I didn't bother with those heh

>>75980777
Yeah, I'm part Greek so the dad sometimes puts on Greek music. I don't know much about it though

>>75980823
What genre do you like?

>>75980875
Hip hop from any country is fun to hear. I also really like listening to 80s songs from diff places. Traditional folk too of course

>>75980814
Hur konstigt låter det finlandssvenska dialekt för Sverige svenskar? Jag tänkte att lära mig svenska ordentligt men jag kan inte göra bort av min starka accent,

Just found this
http://radio.garden/live/ramallah/radio-quran/

>>75981283
LMAO my sides

This planet is a meme

>>75981283
There are various such radio channels.
http://radio.garden/live/kuwait-city/quran-in-english-by-edc/

>>75978447
La nova bildo plaĉas al mi.

>>75978557
>look for radio stations in Europe
>all of the songs are in English

>>75981377
http://radio.garden/live/tunis/radio-coran/

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>>75981283
>>75981345
>>75981377
>>75981446
>when westerns find out about Islamic culture
Those radios just read Quran 24/7 and people(mostly old people) read with them at home, it's absolutely halal.

>>75981648
Too bad I don't understand Arabic, I only understood a few words like kitab.

>>75981830
Arabic is a beautiful language but the chaos happening in middle east will prevent people from being interested in it for quite some time.Sad!

>>75981016
Den är definitivt tydlig. Men den är inte ett hinder. Det finns många finlandssvenskar i svensk media så de flesta är vana med den dialekten och har inte några problem med att förstå den. Så du behöver inte bekymra dig så mycket.

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I need to improve my grammar skills in english.

How to proceed?

>>75983231
I don't mind learning it
>>75983457
I need to improve my pronunciation. I'm trying to imitate natives through movies, songs and YouTube, but I keep thinking that my pronunciation is kind of ridiculous.

>>75983457
Reading. Lots of grammar points are covered there, mostly past tenses which tend to be what people struggle with.

Talking to natives on apps like Tandem too

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>>75983457
Read books and maybe news sites. Take everything written on this board with a grain of salt, most people on this board speak and write shit English including me. If you are unsure about something related to English grammar and punctuation look it up.

I guess getting a tutor on italki or similar sites could help too, they could point out your mistakes on both grammar and pronunciation.

>>75983386
Tack för svaret.

>>75986744
>>75987218
Thank you, anons.

Anyone else proud of /lang/?
We finally autosaged a thread so we had to create a new one before the old one died.
Nostalgia?

>>75989963
I'm only 4 months here but I always wished these threads got more attention.

>>75990841
Thye use to always reach bump limit. This was about a year ago though. Not many people really care about it anymore and that has a snowball effect. If you don't get any replies for hours you're not gonna bother with continuing to post.

>>75991460
Does knowing German make it easier to learn Scandinavian languages, like speaking French makes it easier to learn Italian or are they too different ?

>>75991460
>>75991743
Didn't mean to quote

>>75991781
Italian and French are both Romance languages, but French vocab seems way different from Italian (I'm not sure because I don't actually know any French). Italian is very simular to Spanish and Portuguese, if you know either of those

Can't speak for the German question

>>75991743
You might be able to understand a smidgen of danish, but otherwise no. The differences are too great, even though they're in the same language group.

>>75981392
>be american
>complains about americanisation
fucking kill yourself now holy shit

>>75991743
No but I've heard that learning swedish could help you a lot learning norwegian, danish, faroese and icelandic

>>75992096
North germanic languages are very similar, so being fluent in one will give you an advantage in learning the others.

The best one to learn is norwegian I would say, it would be easy to understand written danish and spoken swedish even if you haven't studied them.

>>75991460
>>75990841
>>75989963

For about a month both sides of the New Year we was hitting the post limit nearly every time but slowly getting less and less posts when resolutioners started falling off the wagon. Last thread got a crazy amount of posts in a very short amount of time. No idea why.

>>75980814
you don't know japanese
それなら日本語分からない

>better study my language
>spend day internally debating best way to study language

>>75991995
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexical_similarity#Indo-European_languages

anaybody have tried to learn chechen ? there is literelly nothing on internet to learn it

Is there a language with an orthography as fucked up as in french?
I just realized how many silent letters we have, and some weird rules like most of the time words don't end with a vowel but always with a silent d or t. Never paid a lot of attention to it.

What is the easier path for me to take? What will be more useful to me?

-Native English speaker, learning Swedish
-Father speaks Farsi (Dari) and can probably teach me if I ask, learning Farsi

Language learning background: 3 years of high school French, can count to twenty in Dari, and I already started Swedish on Duolingo so I know very basic grammar

Can I do both at the same time? Is it hard? FYI Russian is too hard but I would've chosen that.

>>75993870
>Can I do both at the same time? Is it hard? FYI Russian is too hard but I would've chosen that
you can and it'll be fine because they're both very different

I try to learn one easy language + one hard language at the same time, that are different from each other.

I've started learning Arabic recently. My method of study has been primarily focusing on reading and the phonetics of the letters. I'll be starting university courses this fall. I haven't focused much on vocabulary because I find the biggest issue with English as a first language learner in pronunciation of the letters

>>75993859
I'd argue english is worse
>Tough
>Taught
>Though
>Thought
>Through
>Thorough

then there's "th" in general which is a remarkably rare and difficult to pronounce sound for most non-native speakers

Why don't Slavs like prepositions?

>>75993859
Russian is hardcore too

>>75993829
Why do you want to learn that language? It's speakers are terrible people

learning Italian

How do I work on my ability to listen to the language? I can read a news article in Italian relatively well, but cannot understand spoken Italian well at all. wat do?

>>75991743
A lot of words have German origin, but they have changed too much to be easily recognizable.
So you won't be able to understand Scandinavian languages, but some words should sound familiar and might be easier to learn.

>>75992096
Faroese and Icelandic are very different, about as helpful as German I think.

>>75994151
just by curiosity, it's sound like orc language but yeah i don't plan to go there or make friend with them. Also there isn't a dictionnary on their languague, it's strange

>>75984026
I literally sit around and continually play the sounds of the letters I'm working on.

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>>75993870
Easier would be Swedish or any other Germanic language. Farsi might be more rewarding as you can learn it from your father and can speak to each other.

>>75993859
Yes, English and Thai are some of them.
The most bizarre though is Tibetan.

>>75983457
Don't study grammar, it will take forever.
Learn sentences (anki, memrise) and you will be able to naturally recognise grammar patterns.

>>75994154
I just use audio books. Listen to them while reading the text at the same time.

>>75994391
If someone is debating whether they should learn Farsi, the answer is that they shouldn't. If you aren't willing to dedicate large amounts of time, don't try.

>>75994010
>I try to learn one easy language + one hard language at the same time, that are different from each other.

This is a good approach if your goal is to learn many languages.

>>75994527
It's a good approach if you want people to think you know a language when you don't.

>>75994527
hmm, I'm learning Italian right now. would that be considered an easy language? I want to learn Russian or German too. Would that be doable?

>>75994657
Stick to one and actually learn it

Tfw anglo and have little drive to learn another language. :(

Life is suffering

I've tried with Spanish but got bored and french is playing on my mind as an actual interest..

>>75994821
Without dedication, you won't.

>>75994821
Why? Think about it this way.

You already speak English as a native language so you are pretty much free to choose any language you like. You are not bound to any economical considerations.

Additionally, no matter what language you choose, you are the most desired other half of a language exchange and you will have an abundance of language partners to choose from.

Chin up. That's why a lot of the most popular hyper-polyglots are English natives.

>>75993859
Danish

>>75993859
French is pretty fucked up but at least it has a certain regularity to it. If you have internalized all the 30+ rules you will be able to accurately pronounce >95% of the words.

>>75995071
>all the 30+ rules
that's the thing, there's too much expections and little rules.
And the conjugation also, what a mess.

>>75994576
Depends how much time you spend on the two languages though. A few months? yeah, you're right. But if someone studies 2 languages simultaneously (one 'easy' and one 'hard') for 2 whole years then they can acquire a pretty good level depending on their learning methods.

>>75994657
It's not really for me to say. It depends if you can handle it or not. For you, a native English speaker, Italian would be considered easy RELATIVE to Russian. As Russian is harder for English speakers to learn. Italian / Russian or Italian / German are both viable choices as the languages have quite a high lexical difference. However, as >>75994762 said. You would be better off sticking to one language as you would get more done and be at a higher level. I would say that learning more than 1 language at a time is better for people who have experience with language learning and already have methods that have been successful for them (i.e. they are already fluent in more than 1 language).

>>75995437
If they wanted any sort of fluency in two languages in two years, they would have to either A) move to the areas where the language is spoken or B) spend more time a week than a full time job simply learning a language. So probably about 25 hours a week each to gain fluency in two years.

>>75995563
If we're talking only reading, then yes. But speaking? No way.

Is IPA useful for learning new languages?

I wish to learn Old English. What resources are there? What are the best?

>>75995847
No it's better for recording unwritten languages.

>>75995907
http://lexicity.com/language/oldenglish/
The only relevant resources out there I think.

French or Italian?

>>75997077
try both and see which you like more

Can some Bosnian or ex-Yugo anons help me learn Bosnian

>>75998663
"bosnian language" doesn't exist. it's like saying that you want to learn to speak canadian.

>>75978447
How good is Doulingo with languages?

>>75979062
Pas mal. Merci l'ami
>>75999543
It is a good starting point for having an initial grasp of the language. However, if you decide to learn it it's better to go find sources elsewhere

How proficient are you once you finish a course in Duolingo? And what's the next step from there?

>>75999732
Finished French in 2 months and could already speak, write and read at least at intermediate level. Listening is still shit.
I've been in Duolimbo for almost 18 months now, too lazy to pursue further deepening on the language but also don't want to loose what I have already learned.

You gotta take in account though that French is piss-easy to a Brazilian.

I'm not the Brazilian just above you.

>>75999732
probably like the average Japanese poster's English. The next step is to buy a grammar book and grind vocab

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>tfw no duolingo for Finnish

>>75999873
SATANA VITTU, I FEEL YOU.

>>75983231
arabic is too perfect to be used by anyone under 120 IQ, shame about the script though

>>75999876
I can't find it anymore but the Finnish government had a site for learning Finnish. It wasn't bad.

>>75999931
Well, I have this pasta saved back in 2013. Some links are dead, others aren't, hope it helps:
https://pastebin.com/2CpkxDsb

>>75999834
How much time per day did you spend on it?

learning korean. got a test on saturday and i'm not sure i've studied enough... ㅠㅠ

>>75999986
Kiitos!

>>76000102
5 lessons a day, or 30 minutes. Nowadays I just keep every skill maxed out, which amounts to 1-3 lessons a day for 5~10 minutes.

>>75987218
This man has such a punchable smug face

>>76000202
And his name is Paul. Welcome to LangFocus.

>>76000117
Are you able to watch a kdrama without subtitles?

wtf? This thread is still alive after 10 hours????

The last thread reached the bump limit ????
I cannot believe it

I want to learn Pakistani. They have a huge present here so I think it might give me some extra money by writing books on Malay-Pakistani.

I kind of wanna learn Persian or Arabic. Any thoughts?

>>76000459
>>76000491
Are you mentally ill?

>>75993829
There is barely anything in english but a lot in Russian.

>>75994151
>It's speakers are terrible people
Because Americans are so peaceful right.

>>75994254
>it's sound like orc language
You should check your ears.

>>76000491
yeah, seems like these threads are gaining traction now

>>76001194
Are you new here?
/lang/ threads rarely even reach the 20 posts

>>76001571
I don't stick around much, but I know that.
It just baffles me so that a language learning thread would have so many retards who can't even type like proper human beings.

>>76001683
Why are you so rude?

>>76001374
Good!

>>76002094
what language are you learning right now?

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>tfw forgot to do my daily anki cards yesterday because I was posting here

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>muso = a mouse
>muŝo = a fly
>tfw struggling to differentiate between the different consonants

>>76002806
Greeks struggle too, but I don't understand the reason. It's a simple phoneme.

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>>76003792
My excuse is that Finnish doesn't have those slightly-different-consonants. Like we have K but don't use G (except in loanwords) or hard C. We have S but don't use soft C or Z.

Differentiating between short and long vowels is much easier 2bh

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>>76003884
Oh and for example, the only word to use, that I can think of, the letter G besides the -ng sound in inflected word forms, is "aggressiivinen" (=aggressive), which is just a """fancy""" way of saying "vihamielinen" (literally translates to "hostile minded").

Any suggested resources for Vietnamese?

>>76000286
not yet unfortunately. i'm not that far from it though

>>76002806
what language?

>>76003990
how long have you been studying and how?

I've been using howtostudykorean.com and an inhumane amount of kdramas, but after 9-10 months still can't understand much (other than recognizing simple words and grammatical principles). I can't speak for shit either

>>76003932
Vietnamese Wikipedia. :')

>>76004424
i've been studying more or less seriously since early 2016, but i learnt hangeul and started picking up random korean vocab back in mid 2013.

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>>76001156
Learn 'my' language. Persian and Arabic took everything from it.

>>76004412
Esperanto.

>>76004510
Are you an Assyrian
Also impossible considering Arabic is afro-Asiatic and Persian is indo-European. Are you speaking of writing script?

>try to listen to German radio on radiogarden to catch some radio babbling in German
>radio stations I find actually play more music than people talking
I am pleasantly surprised

>>76004450
Do you use any books to study? or just watching shows and using random memrise/anki shit?

Can't decide between French or Spanish. French is peaking my interest at the moment. Spanish I will pick up quicker correct? Hence being more rewarding? I plan to travel to South America and not Africa so..

>>76005835
Which one do you find more interesting and see yourself enjoying the media more for?

I dropped Spanish for a small language that I'll probably never use in the actual country, but it's 100x more interesting for me and doesn't feel like a chore like Spanish did

I think French has more interesting resources too

>>76006097
Spanish media has the better music and there's Spanish series I want to watch. But like you said Spanish was a chore. It was like studying for an exam for me

>>76006326
By resources I meant resources specifically for learning. Like the French Lingvist is much better than the Spanish one for example.

But yeah Spanish media is better. What series do you want to watch? I might revive my Spanish. I fucking hate learning it though, all those retarded tenses for such a simple language

>>76006781
>all those retarded tenses for such a simple language
How is it a simple language?

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Why do native english speakers learn other languages?
The point of everyone speaking your language is that you don't need to speak theirs

>>76001156

Persian is apparently much harder to speak than commonly thought (in LL circles). There is a word for it but i'm a retard and can't remember it. There are many idioms, phrases, politeness layers etc.and if you don't use them you'll forever sound like a child.

>>76008489
Steal french womynz

>>76004424
Have you tried TalkToMeInKorean? I think it's great considering it's free and the teachers speak great English. When you get more advanced the Iyagi podcasts are great.

>>76008489
For fun? For a lot of people it's a hobby.

>>76010520
I did a few lessons a few years ago but I like how comprehensive HTSK is. i might supplement with TTMIK.

>>76008489
>>76010568
this

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>>76010910
Yeah HTSK is great but studying only grammar is mind numbing and it won't really get you anyway. That's probably why you can't understand much. Focus more on learning sentences and listening to lots of Korean everything else will follow.

I also recommend this deck if you use anki: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/3614346923

>>76010999
>Yeah HTSK is great but studying only grammar is mind numbing and it won't really get you anyway. That's probably why you can't understand much.
I quite enjoy the grammar, but yeah I can't understand much (besides grammar structure lol).

Thank you for the deck kind anon

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>>76002806
We have like 8 distinct consonants that would be represented with one single "s" in Finnish...

Is Lang-8 working again?

Is there an anki deck for turkish?

>>76016222
https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/Turkish

t. three seconds in google

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>>76015532
I thought about learning Russian a while back but nvm then

>>76016479
I was wondering if there were any other languages apart from Greek and Finnish that don't use more than one "s".

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>>76016552
Yes, and it's actually the most widely spoken language in the world

>>76017094
Spanish?

>>76004998
i actually go to a korean course. we use the book called 세종 한국어1

>>76017579
Oh right. I would sign up for classes if I had money. Do you plan on going there anon, or just like the language?

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>>76017373
Proto-Indo-European. It had 9 velar consonants and only one sibilant (s).

>>76017615
i'd love to go, but i have other priorities in the short term.i like the language and i spent so many hours watching korean entertainment (movies, tv shows, dramas, etc) that i feel i have to make something more or less meaningful out of it and learning the language is the obvious choice.
also, i'm not paying for the course, it's free at the korean embassy (i have to pay a symbolic yearly fee of 200 pesos, that's like 15 us$)

>>76017751
Oh, that's interesting. Also, I should have got the langfocus reference.

>>76017824
That's pretty much my reason to learn too. I watch so much of their media that I had to start learning the language to get something productive out of it.

Well GL with it anon!

>>75994997
this

Russian - native
English - pre-intermediate
Polish - can have a communication, understand, but have to work on language
Belarussian - can understand mostly, can speak a very very bit
Ukrainian - can understand mostly, don't speak
French - understand a few words like pere mere vie je and etc

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I re-recorded the part from the beginning to
>"Friend and fiend, alive and live"
r8

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0olRfssoxI1

>>76021524
Pretty good, just some mistakes on words that are not even used in daily speech.
Maybe I will try recording this sometime.

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How to improve my mother tongue?

I'm Bulgarian, moved away when I was 5. Can understand everything and speak casually, but I only ever spoke with my parents and occasionally the rest of the family when I went to visit. This means I don't know any of the slang, can't hold a formal conversation, cannot spell properly and read slower than normal. Any conversations that aren't just casual chit chat are a grammatical mess. I'm embarrassed to speak when I go home it's so bad

Unfortunately I don't have access to Bulgarian people I can talk to, and my country doesn't have a lot of media I can use to learn.

How do I bring my diaspora-level Bulgarian to complete native fluency?

>>76023505
First of all, you should speak with your parents exclusively in Bulgarian. Then you should try watching some TV shows and reading Bulgarian newspapers. It won't be difficult for you, since you already have an intermediate fluency.

>>76024257
I already speak to them exclusively in Bulgarian. There aren't many BG tv shows. I can read newspapers too. I think the issue is whatever I do, I just kind of maintain this intermediate fluency (good way of describing it).

>>76024594
So, you don't have any problem while reading a newspaper in Bulgarian, but what about a novel?

>>76025398
I have no problems reading, it's just a bit slower than normal and I have to look words up here and there.

I'm fluent, I understand everything, but speaking/writing is below native.

>>75978447

Why does memrise have only odd numbered chapters? Do I need to pay for the other half or is something else going on?

>170 posts

Damn, since when did /lang/ become so popular?

I blame OP's image.

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>>76028046

I mean this.

>>76018181
Biggest difference between Belarussian, Ukrainian and Russian?

>>76002599
Portuguese

>>76028140
The last thread reached the bump limit

How should I go about watching shows to help me learn spanish. I've heard people say anime helped them learn. May I get some recommendations?

>>76028746

There is a series called Destinos made for learning spanish has a book to go along with it.

Other then that kids shows for the easy language. Move up to movies. If you like anime watch you favorite with spanish dubs or subs. Maybe even both.

>>76004700
Arabic and it are both Semitic, let alone part of the Afroasiatic category. I was mostly joking but I think the script and vocabulary are partially derived from it.

>>76028304
Pretty weird, doesn't happen to me. Is it like that on all courses?

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>>76029034
Gracias

>>76029597
Check out extr@ Spanish on YouTube too

>still falling for the duolingo meme

>>76029530

Yes and the numbers are different per language/course.

>>76029597

There is also the Michael Thomas thing. You can find a torrent for it. Its audio but I cant do it while driving takes too much concentration.

>>76016552
scandinavian and icelandic

>>76029627
I just watched the first episode. Cheesy as hell but watchable and got a few chuckles out of me.

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learning Italian here

Already finished the Duolingo tree and want an opinion on my plan to refine my grammar. Pic related is my grammar book. Here's the plan:

first month:
>week 1: present indicative, 20 vocab words
>week 2: present perfect, 20 vocab words
>week 3: imperfect, 20 vocab words
>week 4: simple future, 20 vocab words

second month:
>week 1: pronouns, 30 vocab words
>week 2: demonstrative pronouns, 30 vocab words
>week 3: ??? maybe prepositions, 30 vocab words?
>week 4: ??? maybe i could translate stories?

thoughts? more vocab words or more focus on grammar? I'm thinking maybe I should focus entirely on grammar and save vocab for later

>>76031258
do way more words

>>76031444
how many? like a hundred a week?

>>76031569
Start with maybe 40 week one and up it every week to find your comfort range. Vocab is the easiest part of language. I just make it a game with the leaner part of Quizlet.

>>76031874
ok that sounds doable. I was going off what we did in my high school Latin class that's where I got the 20 number from

>>76028363
>Russian
ё
>Ukrainian
I/i
>Belarus
I/i and Ў/ў

>>76028746
Dora in VO
>>76024594
In my country there;s a channel called Ici Tv where all immigrants speak in their native language

>>76032572
I meant original version

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>look at duolingo courses
>they're making a fucking Klingon course
now THAT'S autism

>>76033151
>they'll make Klingon but not Latin
Truly the worst feel. Latin is one of the languages that would benefit from duo.

Guess I'll stick with Wheelock.

>>76031258
I finished the Duolingo tree recently too

I still keep redoing lessons, apart from that I watch youtube videos (I understand a lot) and listen to the radio. I post every now and in /ita/, I think building your own sentences to express what you want to express (instead of just seeing random sentences) is very helpful.

>>76033151
they basically crowd source the course right? So, it's not like they're diverting resource away from other languages. Let the autists keep busy

What's Dutch like compared to German? I know they're supposed to be extremely similar but that's all. I've been learning German for 3 years now and I'm comfortable enough that I feel like expanding to an additional language (goofing around with Portuguese at the moment). Does Dutch have a similar grammar (cases, etc) and conjunction rules and the like? I've looked around the Dutch general threads here and sometimes it seems I can figure out the gist of the simpler posts.

>>76033516
I tried to post on /ita/, but I found out my ability to form sentences was abysmal. I basically have no understanding of any other tense except the present and present perfect. But for some reason I can read other tenses relatively well.

>>76033660
yeah, but still
that's some serious autism

>>76033298
it is a damn shame

>>76033776
What is it that you lack? Knowing how to conjugate the verbs? Or how to use them?
I forgot to say I speak Spanish, so that may have made it easier for me.

>>76033736
No, cases are considered archaic in Dutch. In this way, it is more similar to English. Also, they only have two genders with one being more common than the other.

>>76033915
Oh really? That sounds like it'd be much easier considering I've already gotten through the whole German system. Are there a lot of loan words and the like? I know that there's similarities in vocab (like ich and ik).

>>76033994
To put it bluntly, it really is between German and English in a way. Virtually no cases, less inflection than German but more than English, less genders than German but more than English, less loanwords than English(from French) but a bit more than German, etc.

If you have a good level in both German/English I'm pretty sure it's possible to get to a conversational level within a year with steady effort.

>>76034115
Awesome. I'll see about getting resources and work on getting a decent reading level going and see where it takes me.

>>76034171
The main obstacle you will run into is finding a Dutch person who will let you speak in Dutch to them because they will try to default to English and act with confusion and question your reasons for studying their language. Be assertive and make it clear to anyone who is doing an exchange with you that you will speak as much Dutch as English.

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Which language do you think is the most aesthetically pleasing in terms of speaking and writing?

>>76034320
>writing
Georgian

>>76033902
I studied Latin in high school, so that made it easier for me too. But in my Latin class, we would be required to fill pages of verb a day. Duolingo never really teaches you to conjugate per se, rather it kinda just teaches you how to recognise which tense a word is in. It makes you rely on intuition rather than autistic study. It's great for learning to read but not for forming sentences

>>76034356
meant to say "pages of verb conjugations a day"

I am trying to learn Russian, I need help finding a good flashcard with audio app or software for the Russian alphabet.

>>76034275
That's no biggie to me. I learn on my own because I find learning grammar and reading in a new language fun. I've had exactly zero conversations in German these past three years since I've never met a single person to speak German with.

But yeah, good tip on being assertive. Everyone I've ever met that learns a language says that native speakers always try to speak English out of politeness or whatever.

>>76034320
Humm I really like Japanese, the writing looks amazing and complex yet still being very simple and easy to understand. It also sounds very complex and beautiful yet once you start learning it, it becomes remarkably simple and easy to understand, compared with English my native language it is far superior.

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>>76034356
True. Funny, actually. I'm teaching Spanish and make these verbs sheets, I also think it's very important.

I agree that Duolingo is lacking in that sense. Shouldn't be too hard to include verb quizzes.

I should probably do the same with Italian.

>>76034696
our Latin teacher would make us write every form of a verb in every tense we knew at that point. when we learned more tenses than what would fit on the page, we only had to write a certain person/number for each tense. Like she would tell us "Do 'ambulare' in the 2nd person plural" and we'd write the proper form in each tense

>>76034320
>writing
Kannada

So I'm not sure where to ask this, but I have a question on how conversations work out in Ukraine given the current political climate (where some people refuse to speak Russian and some refuse to speak Ukrainian). Do people greet each other in Russian and then switch to Ukrainian if one guy doesn't like it or what?

>>76038132
Good question. I was wondering about that too. My guess would be it goes by region. Greetings in russian in areas that are predominately Russian speaking and Ukrainian elsewhere.

wtf since when is this thread so active

>>76038312
It's summer break for most people and now people have time to start a new language.

>>75987218
>If you are unsure about something related to English grammar and punctuation look it up.
I know you're trying to be helpful but this is actually a terrible idea. If you look something like this up all you're going to get are style guides. It's better to make friends with a couple armchair linguists (not grammarians!) and ask them personally instead, we love ranting about things, I'd know, I'm one of them.

bumping because im nice and i love languages

>>76034320
Korean has very simple writing (can learn in a day) and looks really cute. Sounds awesome too

Cyrillic is also cool

>tfw trying to learn a language
>think i'm making good progress
>watch a show or read something
>understand nothing after all that time spent studying

is there anything more depressing

>>76042409
this
how the fuck do i become a better listener, /lang/?

>>76042409
>>76043601
Listen to the radio even if you don't get anything at first
Be patient

Feelsbadman

>>76043601
Whenever possible, when you watch with subtitles, try and watch movies with subtitles in target language (instead of in English) so you're reading what you're hearing

why so low
russian icelandaboo here again
also i tried out Lernu! and it turned out that i haven't forgotten esperanto

>>76041631
Do you speak Navajo?

>>76042409
Add subtitles

hey yall, im studing spanish, but im having this problem with it where my life has become a meaningless void where not even the most brainless activity give me pleasure anymore. with each futile attempt to improve myself, the call of the void rings ever louder in my ear

so, should I just up my vocab to like 60 words a week or shift my focus to grammar?

>>76050495
I normally do, but when i turn them off to see if i understand, I find that I'm completely useless at the language

How do you guys best learn vocab? I like learning grammar and I'm doing well with it but I don't study vocab (apart from what the grammar guides contain) so I'm falling behind.

Do you write the words out, or use only Anki?

How many new words a day?

>>76051610
Try what I said here >>76046573
If they're available, use subtitles in the target language

>>76051751
Back when I was super studious I had a little vocab book

And every time I learned a word, I'd write the word down and a sample sentence to go with it

I'm a lazy ass that mostly uses Memrise/Duolingo now tho

>Want to learn Russian because I like how it sounds
>Feel like I should learn Japanese instead because I'm squandering the fact that I took it in both primary school and high school if I don't
>Arabic looks extremely difficult but may help advance my career in the Australian Federal Police

Just kill me dudes I'm never gonna decide.

>>76051945
One thousand percent go for Arabic if you think it'll help your career.

>>76051945
Lel I do the same thing. I'm trying to decide between the same languages too.

>Russian
sounds fucking badass
btw this movie is awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViFqE-m28UQ

>Japanese
Looks cute, but i don't consume any Jap media nor do I want to visit

>Arabic
Looks cool, sounds like sin though

Go with Russian imo. It's still highly useful and you like it. Don't fall for the sunk/cost fallacy for Japanese, and for Arabic there will be thousands of others who speak it a thousand times better than you so that's a poor reason to learn.

>>76028046
>>76028304
I did some googling and I think the missing levels are ones y

>>76052916
>>76028304
>>76028046
Jesus Christ, what I meant to say was that the missing levels are ones you have to use the smartphone app for

>>76050867
Nigga unless you want to grind vocab for years to 10 new words a day

>>76050464
No, lol. I'm currently on vacation. I'm from Florida. I visited a Navajo center yesterday, however

Make sure to join the official /lang/ Telegram group!
https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEP62geqQ0OJzfeb7g

need a french speaking discord lads

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>>76051945
>>76052504
I have a list of languages and I just eliminate the ones I have no interest in. It helps to narrow down the languages I do want to learn.

Pic related is current list. Still need to remove a few.

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>>76062087
template

>>76062131
What do the ones with an asterisk beside them mean? Special cases and exceptions.

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>>76017824
>it's free at the korean embassy
I want that too, fug

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>>75978447
I plan on learning korean. But somehow, idk why or how, I lack on that... set-will-point? that thing that actually makes you go do something. It's like I'm locked in a dense mud and I can't move or do anything.

What do I do?
This happens not just with Korean but with many other things, like daily exercise, or keeping track of my habits or other simple tasks.
Why is this happening to me? What's this? Any of you have experienced anything similar?

>>76062131
where is that from? the number of hours looks... I don't know, random?

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>>76062087
good idea dude

>>76063605
FSI ran studies on how many hours on avg it takes for English speakers to learn a language

>>76063440
Why do you want to learn Korean? The best thing to do is get started. Analysis-paralysis and all. Pick howtostudykorean.com or talktomeinkorean and start. Tons of dramas to use as listening practice.

It's the funnest language i've ever studied, I love the grammar too and I've always hated it. The alphabet is easy as fuck, and it's a cute language

>>76063195
* Languages preceded by asterisks are usually more difficult for native English speakers to learn than other languages in the same category.

>>76063605
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty

They got the numbers from FSI. I don't take the numbers seriously though. I just use the image to have an organised list of languages.

>>76063195
From the website:
>* Languages preceded by asterisks are usually more difficult for native English speakers to learn than other languages in the same category.

http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty

Notice how it's mostly language isolates

Though why would Japanese be harder than Mandarin or Cantonese

>>76063967
okay, I will. Thank you, anon

>>76064143
>Though why would Japanese be harder than Mandarin or Cantonese
The grammar is significantly harder for English speakers than Chinese.

>>76064550
ah right that makes sense

I always thought of Japanese as the harder version of Korean. Korean's grammar is very similar, but at least the alphabet is piss easy

>>76064768
Yep, that's how I feel as well and it's pretty much the truth.

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I can't seem to motivate myself to stick to learning muh German. I'm serious about it for several weeks then just drop it and pick it up after awhile.

>>76065300
why do so many bulgarians learn german

are you using duolingo бpaт?

>>76065956
>why do so many bulgarians learn german
Dunno, but it is the most popular second language after English.
>are you using duolingo бpaт?
Yeah, I also have several textbooks with exercises.

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I feel like a space traveller monitoring human transmissions on the surface of the planet stretching out down below me. So cool mang

Anglo pop has utterly ruined world radio. Listening to radio in central asia or mongolia and suddenly fucking rihanna pops up.

>>76069967
That's why U.S.A is an empire.
Are you on TuneIn?

Portugueš

But I'm a lazy fucker and thus probably will never succeed as one should learning a language.

What's the oldest work that you can understand in the language you're learning?

>>76076342
I'm intermediate in spanish, a short story book from the early 1900s, but I haven't tried much else

>>76067032
>listened to the radio stations in a place I used to live
>notice the time was mid morning there when I was listening
>imagine what everyone's doing, probably at school/work/uni
>tmums at home probably doing housework to the sound of easy listening tunes and 80s german pop
Feels comfy

>>75994075
What do you mean? we have all prepositions that are in the english language? I don't think there exists a language without prepositions?

>>76066139
I recommend you to use Memrise with Duolingo,
There's a course there with all the German words.

BBBUUUUUUUMMMPPPPPP

how do I into discipline, /lang/?

I've spent the past two and a half weeks doing nothing but fapping, shitposting and sleeping, when I told myself that I'd study muh languages hard before starting to look for a job seriously...

>>76080616
Do not try to immediately go into some hardcore study framework (ex. from 10-12 I study grammar, followed by 1 hour of listening and 1 hour of writing). Start small, anon. I dislike Duolingo as a whole but it's good to build small, easy to reach goal (ex. do 100 XP a day (about 30 minutes of work)).

Start small. Have fun.

>>76080616
Make sure you are doing something for your language(or anything) studies everyday, no matter how small it is.Start with that.

>>76038132
Not too familiar with Ukrainian culture but I’m guessing you are expected to understand both languages but not expected to be able to talk in both. Everyone is talking in their preferred language and rarely ever switches.

>>76078938
Bulgarian is different to other slav languages though. It doesn't have a case system so uses more prepositions

>>76080673
Damn dude, what language do you study? How do you have so much time for it? How fast has the progress been?

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>>76065300
That penguin picture makes me so sad

>>76080616
>I told myself that I'd study muh languages hard before starting to look for a job seriously...
Why? Do both.

shit I'm probably really late, but question on Dutch:

whats the difference between "de" and "het"? I pretty much just started on Duolingo and i cant seem to differentiate

>>76083385
3 seconds googling
http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=NounsAndArticles.03

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Looking for a job/career, what would be be better Chinese or Japanese ?

Also is the same character used for something like "ma" but just with a different tone or is it a different character for each different tone ?

>>76085358
Whichever you find most interesting because to be good enough in a language for a career, you need to stick with it for years. I'd say Japanese because there are already a ton of mandarin speakers specifically learning it for their job.

Would you prefer to travel to china or Japan?

thanks for sharing this with us. it was what I was exactly looking for. And the reason I came all the way to this website is because I had no one to talk to and nowhere to post in English. Hope I'll get enough chances to practice my learning language, English

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>>76087000
I'm always fascinated by people who learn English through browsing the internet or English media. I learned English when I moved to the UK when I was 5 so it was easy for me, but I can't imagine learning it on my own. I try to browse forums in my target languages and watch tv shows but it's so hard.

Respect to all you foreigners!

>>76087730
Are you the turk dispora who is angry for being mistaken for a kurd?

>>76087920
lol no
what in my post suggests that?

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>>76086916
defo japan, ive bought into the meme. I have a small knowledge of japanese as well.

thanks for the heads up.

>>76088471
What languages do you speak?

>>76090484
Bulgarian Spanish English

>>76090585
What's your accent like? Just British?

>>76091819
Yeah it's pretty much typical London accent now. Some words here and there have an eastern euro accent to them because I still speak bulgarian at home. If I don't speak english for a few days it gets stronger

how do i efficiently study vocab? I feel like Anki and similar programs don't help me memorise well as I'm not writing anything down, but it takes too long to just write vocab out.

>>76093387
You can put post-it notes on objects in your house, but obviously that only works if you live alone.Closest thing you can have to that without doing it is this video game called "influent", but that has only 400 something words and doesn't support many languages.So that may help.

>>76092102
Do you wrestle?

>>76095099
nah i don't play any sport

these are very random questions man what are they for?

>>76095741
Do you identify as a Brit or Bulgarian? I take it you're culturally British, lad

>>76096339
Bulgarian. I'm more culturally Bulgarian, as in my traditions and personality. I was an outcast growing up so instead of going out with friends and immersing in Brit culture, I only had my parents as influence so I grew up with those values.

I would probably feel a culture shock if I went back to BG though. It's like I don't belong anywhere, I'm not fully like a Bulgarian but I'm not like a Brit either

>>76087730
Meh, it's pretty easy and natural, I think. I used to watch Cartoon Network as a kid back when it didn't have any subtitles or dubbing. Then when you watch movies and listen to music in English you understand more and more. It's like that silly scene in The 13th Warrior:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnnREr8BV24

>>76097342
>I used to watch Cartoon Network as a kid back when it didn't have any subtitles or dubbing.
damn I miss it when they weren't dubbed over with goofy voices

Still kind of doubtful a kid can learn a language solely through cartoons, much less an adult

>>76097411
No, I had classes in school, but watching English-language media is very very helpful. My pleb classmates who listened to chalga and didn't watch that many movies were certainly lacking vocabulary and understanding.

any good way to easily learn Japanese so I can read and translate masturbatory material?

>>76099471
lel if that's your primary motivation you're never gonna learn it. japanese takes years to learn.

>>76074011
>š
You have to go back, Pole Shitsky

>>76101508
But Poles don't use š

>>76100316
fuck

I'm trying to learn another language and want to supplement it with Netflix since I mainly watch TV when not at work. What's best, English audio with my target language subtitle or target language audio with English subtitles?

>>76102349
I'd say at first use target language + english subs while learning the most common words and grammar, then move on to target language + target language subs. Reason being you need some vocab + grammar knowledge to recognize patterns in the language and learn more. Otherwise you'll be completely lost.

Btw if it's an Asian language, Viki has this Learn Mode thing where you can click on the subs and learn the words. It's for Mandarin and Korean for now

>>76085358
This picture adequately depicts my existence.

>>76102610
Thanks mate, I'll give that a shot. Trying to learn Turkish at the moment then Russian after so hopefully I'll find something on Netflix with those languages