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Californian cession edition
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time will go on
and we are
\drifting away
in the night
i've been searching so long
but i will find you
even if it takes my whole life
but tonight i feel so alone
and i know
that you are forever gone
oh time
don't fade away
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First for communism.
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Can I get a "Fuck Drumpf"?
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good night
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>tfw no cute gf
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I may be an avatarfagging loser, but at least I'm an avatarfagging loser with a girlfriend.
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>>73151983
>leaf'd
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FUCK DRUMPF
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Is it accurate?
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>>73151962
It will never happen, but it would be a beautiful thing if they did leave and our country would finally make abortion illegal again, and stop endorsing gay marriage.
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>tfw no pale gf
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Is baja kill now? Haven't been here in a while.
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>im a communist
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>>73151962
is Oregon friends with California?
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>>73152013
theyre super tsundere
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>>73151984
>>73151993
Only shitlibs use that word.
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nope
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>California State Senate ‘SuperMinority’ Leader: A Job Nobody Wants
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>>73151983
Aren't you guys basically beating on a dead horse by this point?
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Reminder that Christ was a libertarian
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>>73152013
No. Californians infect it with their degeneracy and Oregonians want Californians to stop coming.
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>>73151990
at least you avatatfag a qt
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Does anybody knows who this is???
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>>73151962
Posting with ideal border for Gran California
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>>73151990
not cute
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>>73152001
yes
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>>73151990
She doesn't even know who you are anon
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terrible post above me
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I support Communism for the girls
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i want an american bf
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>>73152041
Agreed. Anzu is not cute.
>>73152045
And? I just think she's cute.
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>>73152001
>Whites are the master race
>That's why they're so easily manipulated by subhuman kikes and niggers
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>>73152030
The dude literally thought that the world was ending in like a few years so we should all just be holy as fuck until it happens.
The only thing he could be categorized as today is a crazy homeless guy yelling at people at the side of the road.
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>>73152001
no, the truth is much, much more complex and manifold than what some high school educated 19 year old /new/ user dreamt up to feel smart, and in control of his world, in 2011.
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wake UP sheeple
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>>73152039
looks good desu
8/10, would emigrate to
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>>73151942
Sounds kinda like my views right now tbqh.
I'm not Catholic though
>>73152041
fucking heresy
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Guyana is objectively shit.
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rate my taste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdIP8tWITpk
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>>73152031
Portland has always been hipster leftist shithole, and is even worse than anywhere in California even San Francisco, fuck off.
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>>73152057
you know that is not what i meant cunt
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>>73152060
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>>73152051
Communism will distribute gfs to everybody. Seize the means of reproduction!
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>>73152052
Maybe I can be your bf (female) ;)
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reminder that Art is /ourguy/
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>>73152067
>Trump handed nuclear codes to missiles
Why did he gives the nuclear codes to missiles? What are the missiles expected to do with such things?
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>>73152013
Oregonians are following Texas' lead in blaming California as an ever present boogeyman for every one of their fuckups.
See >>73152031
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>>73151983
Based tito
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>>73152081
I've had the misfortune of going to SanFran many times and can say that that isn't true.
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>>73152001
jewish people
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>tfw cant sleep until someone returns my good night
this is my curse
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>>73152052
>Coraline
my nigga
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Does anyone of the athiest meme that goes "This is it. The war on feeble minded..."
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would anyone like a ketchup Dorito
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>>73152084
How is communism not the official ideology of 4chan?
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>>73152117
good night
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>their fuckups
Californian hippies destroyed the timber industry
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>>73152078
Was just listening to The Cure
I only listen to Kiss me kiss me kiss me album, only one I like
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>>73152105
If I could bring one person back from the past to be supreme ruler of the world I would unironically pick him.
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>>73152115
It's not because you can find gangsters out in Oakland, but Portland is nothing buy rich hipster SJWs and literally started the hipster look.
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>>73152117
there is love
burning to find you
will you wait for me
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>>73152125
He should get his hands off my waifu
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>>73152144
checked
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I said this before and I'll say it again.
Communism is a disease that can only be cured with a bullet to the head of every communist.
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>>73152119
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>>73152153
>My waifu
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>>73152117
sleep tight famn
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>>73152141
thxu mejiko
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>killing commies means that we're just as bad as them
Objectively false, it means that we're doing the rest of the world a solid
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>all these slaves debating ideology
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>>73152157
Stay cucked my friend.
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>>73152141
comfier webm
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Hmmmm
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this sort of thing angers me
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>>73152142
Was everyone supposed to just let them drive the redwoods to extinction? You showed no restraint, so somebody else restrained you.
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>>73152167
>she played the fiddle in an irish band but fell in love with an english man
What the FUCK did they mean by this?
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>>73152184
shall be saving this
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There's a really good slapfight going on here >>73150617
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>>73152141
sleep tight, pupper
That sentence counts as spam now? Suck my anglo cock nip moot
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>>73152157
> He doesn't know that Yugoslavia had western living standards and worker controlled workplaces
Good goy
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haha memes
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>>73152184
that fat rodent disgusts me
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>>73152182
Mainstream communism has been deader than a doornail for over 25 years at this point. You'll get a couple hipsters and sjw types, but a revolution ain't coming any time soon and if it does the chances for success are slim.
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73152190
>ooga booga muh owls no timber for you
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>>73152212
>western living standards
Nice meme, Slavislav
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>>73152184
≥the you will never be this comfy
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>88 posts in 3 minutes
Pls stop.
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>>73152131
one ice-cold glass of milk for your doritos sir
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>>73152212
>Yugoslavia had western living standards
But that's wrong. It was significantly better than every other socialist country, but it did not have western living standards by a long shot.
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>>73151990
The size of her eyes makes her a 6.5/10 why does everyone keep posting pics of her?
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>>73152244
Tomato is a fruit so it's ok
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>>73152258
he fetishizes chicanos
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>>73152258
Terrible taste.
>everyone
It's mostly me.
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73152223
>ooga booga muh shekels no forest for you
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>>73152244
Can I get a screwdriver to eat that with?
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>and I'll ask you my friend, whats a fellow to do. Cause her hair was black and her eyes were blue
NOO NOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! AAAAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHHHHHHSHSHSHSSSHHHHHHHHWWWWWWWRRRRRRAAAAAAMMMMMPPGGGGHHHHHHHUUUUUU-plup
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>>73152243
>avatar fagging
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>The size of her eyes makes her a 6.5/10
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>>73152267
False.
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>bought weed at store
>put in glove compartment
>forgot to take it out
>mum driving car tomorrow morning
think I have to go grab it now
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>>73152258
It's one guy, he has a crush. I think he LIKE LIKES her
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>>73152282
thats my schtick, stop
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>>73152217
Largely true, but either through the collapsing middle class, automation, exhaustion of resources, or all of the above, capitalism will cease to be sustainable. Even if it has the potential to renew itself like it did after WW2, there's always the possibility that people get fed up with it before then.
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>>73152267
what?
tell me more pls
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Oh boy everybody is dumb but me.
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>he doesn't like anime eyes
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>>73152284
Let the lady have a little bud. She did create you, after all
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>>73152299
dumb eyebrow poster
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>>73152244
>drinking milk
Enjoy your kidney stones.
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Saying that I fetishize Chicanos is slanderous.
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>>73152284
>He doesn't buy weed for his mom
You're a bad son
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>>73152299
>doesnt smoke
>calling others dumb
>2017
Are you bullied, mentally handicapped or both?
>b-but it kills you
And? Was life a contest about who lives the longest?
>it's addicting!!!
It's not, as long as you're not under-aged and you can smoke in moderation
>it's....IT'S EXPENSIVE!!!
Who forces you to buy a pack every day, fucking peat-gavel
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the only good chicano is a dead chicano
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anzu > this chi > c*ra
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>>73152300
I do
Keep posting, body pics if you got any more, really love her legs
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>>73152317
>not drinking milk
Enjoy your bone loss.
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STAY OUT OF MY SWAMP
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really makes you use your brain parts
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>>73152321
I do actually smoke.
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>6.5/10
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>>73152324
couldn't agree more
they are after all foreign invaders
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>>73152317
Calcium does the opposite for kidney stones. You're thinking of calcium pill supplements.
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>>73152336
>he fell for the Rokki meme
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>>73152327
Okay
>>73152336
Smoking's bad for you.
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>>73152338
that is a ridiculous looking follow
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>el DominicANO is back
oh boy
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>>73152293
>Collapsing middle class
Has happened before, and while worrying I'm not particularly vexed since we've had far worse periods in our economy
>automation
Fair point
>exhaustion of resources
Soon as we divert more funding for NASA we can start mining the moon. All in good time.
>possibility that people get fed up with it before then
Highly, highly unlikely. Yes you might see that sentiment at unis (see that shit everyday walking to class) but beyond that and hipsters there's not much of a communist revolution vibe out here. Sure you walk into certain Leftists havens like Berkely and you can get it but other than that its just not happening, or at least if it did it would be nowhere near a national scale. This country would Balkanize long before any sort of Communist Revolution would occur.
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>>73152348
Me in the middle
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>>73152336
Por pendejo.
>>73152352
FELLA
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>>73152324
>>73152341
bloody racists, they are hardworking peaceful human beans
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>>73152327
you got it, love
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Although I will admit that I do find some Latina girls attractive
>>73152368
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>>73152369
Me on the right
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>he doesn't filter flags
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>>73152359
>mining the moon
There's no fossil fuels on the moon silly
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God Save the Queen
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>inb4 dumb ameriniggers
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>>73152374
>some guy dogs this girl twice a day
>you autistically post photos of her for 5 hours straight
Hmmm, almost made me think
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*poops on the crown*
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>>73152402
I've got nothing else to do desu
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>>73152402
what's his name
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>>73152392
why don't you return to your hispanic shithole already faggot
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fuuuug, countdown till janjan
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>tfw have to use 4chan x until this fag fucks off
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>>73152385
Then we need to start looking for alternative sources within the solar system, or outside of it (wistful thinking but why not).
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>>73152417
>All you need is abnormally large eyes and all the boys will obsess over you
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don't mind these images Tbh
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>don't mind these images Tbh
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>>73152420
that ought to be a mistake because I'll tear your fanny wee man
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>>73152372
>>73152374
CAN'T FUCKING TAKE IT ANYMORE
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>>73152418
Tony B, picrel
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>>73152450
why do you do this to me
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listening to torches (2011)
feels like im in highschool again
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>>73152359
Maybe, I'm obviously looking through a biased view here so it's hard to get bead on the real zeitgeist in the U.S. right now. What's for certain is that the people are displeased with neoliberalism and the dominance of the rich. Whether this will lead to socialism (a possibility) or just a new wave of social democracy and trust breaking in the style of Teddy Rosevelt remains to be seen.
I think Trumps presidency will be key to this, especially his foreign policy. I think that if things keep going the way they're going you will see a less radical shift to the left and a demand for more social democracy and reform. If on the other hand you have something sudden and shocking, like say a Vietnam-esque military quagmire in Iran, or a new recession, you could see things get more radical.
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>why do you do this to me
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>>73152463
that's alterhacker for you, my dude
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>>73152439
>>73152424
this is harrowing
really, revilement runs to my core on seeing these
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For some reason I've always really liked skinny girls with dark hair.
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>really, revilement runs to my core on seeing these
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>>73152493
pussy
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>>73151983
faiped ideology
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>>73152502
i want to destroy this
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I'm going to take a shower
If you can name the country represented by this image by the time I return I'll post a special pic
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>>73152486
huh??
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Reminder that el haitiANO posts gores because he is a suicidal faggot who has mommy issues.
Literally "mommy doesnt love me so im gonna try to grab attention by being a loser online"
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>>73152521
Destroy what?
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>>73152511
inhuman blight
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want a gf that hates going out
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>>73152502
I would do VERY bad things to her body
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>>73152546
No such thing I'm afraid
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>>73152546
Same desu
I want to sit at home all day and watch TV with her instead of being out with friends.
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want a gf
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>>73152561
Doesn't exist /:
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>>73152059
this statement is easily refuted by the fact that jews are cancer
cancer isn't better than humans is it?
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>>73152562
Become a Mormon and they'll give you one for free
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>>73152562
Just become a monk and go live in a monastery.
>>73152578
I know.
>tfw the girl I'm planning on dating after my current moves back home is more of an extrovert than my current girlfriend
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>>73152562
I was going to add a "thirdworlders" path and then realised that "step dad" and "ugly girls" were paths too
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>>73152578
>>73152559
mexican girls are basic
>>73152561
i dont mean not socializing. but a girl that would rather have social events at home, or go to loft parties instead of night clubs and bars. theyre grimy and whens he goes alone youre liable to get cucked
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>>73152527
that's her, famn
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just gonna wait till a gf comes to me
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>>73152562
need the mail order route
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>>73152484
I'm not sure about that, we have open borders, and other than that our system became more similar to the US, concerning the economy (more capitalistic and more influence of lobbies at least it feels like it) and on the other hand an overly open and political correct society. All over europe the right wing becomes stronger, while for example in the netherlands the social democrats lost a lot of their seats. The referendum in italy that Renzi (Partito democratico) wanted failed (maybe for different reasons, I'm not entirely sure) and the socialists in france aren't in a good position after Hollandes term.
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73152610
NEVER going to happen
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>>73152592
Mexico is a normie country
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>>73152592
I don't mind socializing either but I prefer hanging out with a couple close friends instead of going to a party full of people I either don't know or barely know. I became friends with some of her friend's boyfriends so I don't even mind hanging out with them but I prefer small groups.
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>>73152578
Mine does that though. We just hang out and watch TV and sometimes go camping. Also a lot of sex, 2-3 times daily.
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>>73152620
why
i'm incredibly attractive, it should happen eventually
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>blonde hair
>brown eyebrows
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>>73152643
Are WASPs mentally unstable?
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>>73152639
there are plenty of guys just as attractive as you
the difference is that they seek one out
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>>73152633
w2c
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>>73152654
i don't want to do that
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>>73152657
Find a girl who was ugly when she was younger. They usually don't like going out.
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>>73152657
Just got lucky I guess. Made out with her drunk in uni and she turned out to actually be a keeper.
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>>73152666
Then you're gonna die alone, anon.
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>>73152610
i tried this but then ended up never actually asking her out
third times the charm right
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>>73152666
why not
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>Pic
As a deep southerner, that pic makes my erection visible from space
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>>73152599
She a cute
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whelp I'm pretty sure marshal island got range banned
poor lads have to deal with shitty internet and then find out they can't even post on oceania's hottest oekaki forum
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>>73152697
well blimey, that raven is spot on!
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>>73152718
Yeah
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>>73152710
because i'm sick of wanting a gf and don't want one anymore
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Solution to our country's problems:
1. Create 100+ new states
2. Become a confederation
3. No diversity
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I find Crispy cute in the "I want to hug her" kind of way instead of the "I want to have sex with her" kind of way.
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>>73152731
>don't want one
you clearly do
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>>73152743
>Create 100+ new states
better idea
we give each state their own congress and house of representatives
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good night cum
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>>73152757
I wanna hug her while I have sex with her
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>>73152731
But having a gf is nice
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>>73152757
fag
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>>73152776
Nice thumbnail, anon.
>>73152796
no u
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>>73152777
Only for like 2 years
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>>73152775
pls put that pic back on my fb tsm
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>>73152805
I've only had one gf in my entire life
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>>73152817
Sounds boring
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>>73152838
I fucked up multiple opportunities to get a gf because I was too autistic and basically friendzones the girls.
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>>73152761
yea
too shy to try though
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if you had one gf in your life and it was in your late teens or early twenties and you're disillusioned by industrial society you're officially part of the unabomber crew
you know the sweet caress of a woman, but its a distant memory at this point for must of us in the unabomber crew
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>>73152861
My one gf in my life is the one I have right now
>and you're disillusioned by industrial society
That's me. I wish I could live in a forest. I don't enjoy modern life.
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>>73152879
die happyfag
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watching classic simpsons, buds
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>>73152889
Don't really wanna die at the moment. Come back to me in a couple of years. Maybe then.
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>That's me. I wish I could live in a forest. I don't enjoy modern life.
Yikes, i dont know how you guys dont realize how much of a joke you soundlike.
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>>73152907
good post
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>>73152484
>Teddy Roosevelt style
Wouldn't mind that, however I don't see the wave of SJWs and Hipsters creating anything substantial or that would appeal to a wider audience. Most I could possibly see is some form of nationalized healthcare, but with private options still existing.
>less radical shift to the left
The leftists are actually trying to arm themselves to some degree here. With the result being that the Right is getting even more armed. There already exists some form of a quasi-radical shift to the left, however its by people that were already there to begin with. No one outside of sjw/hipster/leftist circles takes them seriously.
>Get more radical
Buddy if it gets too radical then we'd go full American Civil War 2.0, and I can guarantee you the left wouldn't win that. Not here.
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>>73152916
I don't care if I sound like a joke desu. Modern life is a chore. You sleep for a third of your day, wake up and eat quickly, go to work for another third of your day, and then you have a third of "free time" which is usually spent either wasting your time or running errands. Post industrial society was a mistake.
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>>73152968
Have you ever shit in the squat position?
This is a really important question
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>>73153016
Yeah, I've gone camping lots of times. Also I literally lived in a Ukrainian village without running water or gas and electricity which would periodically cut off for days at a time.
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>>73153016
>tfw theres a 500 foot peak behind my country house i can explore all the time
one day ill camp there for more than one night
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>>73152937
>No one outside of sjw/hipster/leftist circles takes them seriously.
I'm predicting a major swing to the left by unions. A lot of them supported Trump on a platform of taking on the neoliberal establishment, something he will fail to do. I think you're going to see a return of militant labour unions like the IWW or something like that. Working class people are fed up with establishment politics, and when the right wing solution fails to dislodge the elites, all the left has to do is be there with a coherent message of class struggle. No idpol, no SJW crap. Just tell people the truth, that is the elites have hijacked our democracy and are stealing our clothes off our backs, and the only way is to resist them.
Hopefully Antifa can stop being retarded for a while and attacking random people with MAGA hats, because most of them will be coming to our side soon when daddy Trump cucks them to the establishment.
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>>73153038
ah ok, then is fine Shevchenko.
You are still an idiot for other things though.
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>>73153038
I wanna pound her pussy so badly
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>>73153074
Sorry, she only likes white men who wear spider costumes.
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>>73153055
>tfw haven't gone out to just "explore" nature in over a decade when my cousins and I just went into the forest and walked around for several hours
It was comfy
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>>73152856
>too shy
all they're going to do is say yes or no
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>>73153064
>By the unions
Eh, can give you a maybe on that.
>Militant labor unions
If you're thinking like early 1900's armed unions then I really don't think that's going to happen. Plus our unions are already corrupt as all hell.
>No idpol, now SJW crap
But that's most of what the hyper-left in this country currently consists of.
>most of them will be coming to our side
Of what you've said I doubt that the most. Also if Antifa gets more violent in this country they're going to start getting shot.
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>>73153074
Looks like Katy Perry on crack.
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>>73153144
tfw no Siberian gf who lets you beat her when she over salts your soup
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>>73153128
they're going to say no because i don't know them and act like a shy beta when i talk to strangers
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>>73153160
and it's a problem that a stranger tells you no?
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>>73153128
The fear of rejection is strong.
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>tfw no gf
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>>73153178
yes
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>>73153130
>But that's most of what the hyper-left in this country currently consists of.
Right now that's true. But it's hard to tell whether or not that shit is on its way out or digging it's head in the sand. I think it's pretty clear that most working class people don't want it, and that it only appeals to liberal petty bourgeois yuppies. I think a class focused message would resinate with many, and it already has. You have Sanders for starters, plus the growing membership of Democratic Socialists of America. Even a few radical non-idpol groups like Redneck Revolt are popping up now.
This is just speculation though. I'm hopeful that a radical non-SJW left will grow strong enough to actually challenge capitalism, not just reform it, but desu neither of us know for sure. Major change can be unexpected.
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>>73153156
I don't know why, but I seem to have a weakness for women that look kind of destroyed.
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>>73153189
but they're strangers
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Alright I'm going to bed. Good night, /cum/
>>73153183
Do you have money? Gfs get kind of expensive if they like going out.
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>>73153211
strangers who i will probably see again
and it's embarrassing anyway
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>>73153218
yes
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I've never seen a gf before but they sound terrible
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>>73151984
Fuck drumpf and fuck white peoples desu
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>>73153193
>not just reform it
But what would be the alternative? I don't think gommunism works, and for us our system has kind of worked for a long time. I agree that this hardcore capitalism is shit, and that the primary focus should lay on the people, not the money. But I don't believe in this each one gives his best and gets all that he needs idea, because who defines what I need, and how do you treat the people that don't give it all.
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>>73153193
>Sanders
Appealed to said "liberal petty bourgeois yuppies", and got his most vocal support from them
>growing membership of Democratic Socialists of America
Haven't heard of it nor am I concerned with it. Getting European style Social Democrats here would be nigh-impossible.
>Just speculation though
It shows.
>Major change can be unexpected.
That's true, but it often happens in ways we don't necessarily predict.
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i prepare every single one of my meals with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IH81sov6XA
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no progress on paper
due in <7 hours
automatic fail
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>>73153277
>But I don't believe in this each one gives his best and gets all that he needs idea, because who defines what I need, and how do you treat the people that don't give it all.
Well it depends on a number of things. First of all we have to distinguish between communism (stateless, classless, moneyless) and socialism (worker's state). Under communism you essentially have a post scarcity society, where goods would be produced in excess and you could just take whatever you wanted. Socialism on the other hand is our immediate goal, and as far as determining what people need goes, there are a number of solutions.
My solution is just to ask them. Planning would be done locally at community meetings where people would relate their needs to an elected planning committee who would put together essentially a laundry list of goods and resources according to what people tell them. Alternatively you could implement what I call a non-profit market, where plans for things like consumer goods are made using consumer research and past consumption data. This is basically what corporations do now when deciding how much of a product to make.
So it wouldn't be others deciding what you need, it would be you telling your community what you need and them making it available. Money (or some alternative like labour vouchers) would still exist though, so you would have to work and spend to get what you want. Your input would just be used to determine what quantities of each particular product to make and where to send them.
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>>73153285
>Appealed to said "liberal petty bourgeois yuppies", and got his most vocal support from them
No he didn't, he had major support among working class and union voters. He actually drew from a lot of the same base that Trump did, which is why he beat Clinton in a lot of the state's that went red in the election. Yuppies voted for Shillary.
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germans
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*ingests human excrement*
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>>73153374
We had that planed economy before. The problems I see are for example the lack of competition which may lead to shitty quality of products, because there's no alternative. At least in some years of production people were complaining about the Trabants shitty quality, so you need to create some kind of national socialism where people try their best to improve their country and the society. The other thing that I think is problematic, is that people have different needs and ideals and sometimes unexpected things happen, may it be an earthquake, a wildfire or simply a big car crash where people are suddenly in need of a product they weren't in need of under normal conditions.
A social market economy is still the best concept, it just needs to be applied.
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>>73153418
Hillary rigged the DNC elections.
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>>73153518
was bernie aware of this
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>>73153516
East German and Soviet Bloc economic planning wasn't democratic, nor was it tailored to the needs of the community. It was a bunch of faceless bureaucrats deciding what was best for everybody and then imposing it on them.
As for competition there are ways around that too. For example you could equip each factory with an R&D department, and provide bonuses to people who design products that gain a lot of popularity and become widely used, or give bonuses based on improvements on existing technology (eg they would be rewarded materially for making a faster computer, a stronger steel, a cleaner engine, etc.)
>so you need to create some kind of national socialism where people try their best to improve their country and the society.
Civic nationalism and socialist patriotism. Pic related.
>sometimes unexpected things happen, may it be an earthquake, a wildfire or simply a big car crash where people are suddenly in need of a product they weren't in need of under normal conditions.
Why is a market better in these situations? If anything I'd think it would be worse, since corporations would be looking to profit in any way they could from the catastrophe. If a drought destroyed crops no major food company would start handing out emergency rations, they would jack up the price ad gouge as many people as possible.
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>>73153671
Lets start a political party
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>>73153738
Te gusta Spen?
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>>73153671
absolute power corrupts absolutely frick-off hoser commie
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>>73153671
>If a drought destroyed crops no major food company would start handing out emergency rations, they would jack up the price ad gouge as many people as possible.
A national state should always be prepared, it's the duty of a nation to help its own citizens, and I honestly can't think of a disaster big enough to really strike down a whole country (unless we are taking micro states like Liechtenstein into account). I also think that it's not in the interest of a company to make profit in such a situation, as the people will remember it and will turn their back on the company as soon as the whole disaster is over. A company that helps though will be remembered for doing it and gets a better reputation, which means people will probably buy their stuff because of greatfullness.
I couldn't be a socialist patriot, I simply dislike some nations, I guess it's normal, I look down on other ones.
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>>73153789
I couldn't agree more. This is why we need bottom-up federalism, direct democracy, workplace democracy, a constitution guaranteeing individual and personal property rights, and a gun in every home.
Left individualism is the way forward.
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>>73151999
I do it aswell am I italian?
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Just tear my heart out and shove it up my ass
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>>73152119
Nothing gets my noggin' joggin' like non-Americans put in front of cameras by Jews to yell at Trump for following and enforcing existing laws. I guess the concept must seem strange to them after 8 years of Obama
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>>73153821
This is easily one of the worst memes of all time
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just found out earthworms live for years
i find this incredibly surprising
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Fuck you /CUM/
Fuck you 4chan
Fuck you Satan, you owe me 5 dollars
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It's 330am and my dog won't let me sleep because it's storming outside
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>>73153907
I can't sleep because I watched the new It trailer and now I'm spooked.
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>>73153907
its 12:30
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The roads coming to an end guys. I got 10 more years and it's over for me. I can finally leave in peace.
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>>73153374
>Planned economy
Thank you but no. Fuck no.
>>73153418
Bernie would've lasted one term at best.
>>73153671
>Socialist Patriotism
>Internationalism
Not fans of either. Why should I give a fuck for other countries? Why should I feel solidarity with some fucker I've never met? This would NOT go over well with many Americans.
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>>73153932
No no, in real states its 330
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>>73153987
>Why should I feel solidarity with some fucker I've never met?
If that's the case then you should feel no loyalty to America since you haven't met most Americans either. If you're working class the internationalism is necessary because all workers are exploited by the same people. This is especially true in the modern where the ruling class is increasingly supranational. Basically billionaires don't discriminate against each other based on nationality, the only way for workers to overcome them is to do likewise.
Also what problems do you have with a planned economy? As mentioned earlier this wouldn't be soviet "Okay Ivan here is your beet ration and bi-annual pair of boots." You would get to actively participate and make your concerns heard in face to face meetings in order to have your needs met.
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>>73154057
>east of the mississippi
>real state
pick 1
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>>73154057
>east of the sierras
>real states
pick one
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>tfw reading something too difficult for my uneducated pleb brain
the poetry is nice though, i'll admit.
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>>73154067
>Haven't met most Americans
Yet I can get some measure of their sentiment through travel and communication with others throughout the states. Furthermore we're bound by a rather expansive culture, common language, and somewhat common interests/lifestyle. I have more in common with other Americans than I do with schmucks living on the other side of the globe. This argument is incredibly fucking weak.
>What problems do you have with a planned economy
Who would determine what gets put out? Who gets put in charge? How do we ensure those in charge don't turn into Mao/Stalin/Pol Pot? What happens when various interest groups attempt to inevitably appropriate more for themselves? What happens when ethnic strife occurs? What happens when we want better and faster cars for leisure? What happens if regions start to break off and form their own territories? To what degree would I have to submit myself to a central authority? How will such committees enforce their laws?
There is so much that would have to change that its simply unfeasible for the average American.
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>>73154067
The thing is that americans, and germans as a people share at least a basic set of values, history and language.
I don't care about arabs etc. they can stay where they are. They are ungreatful and act entitled. I feel no sympathy or such for them. I feel solidarity with some western nations, but even then not all of them.
Our struggles are different too, because our economys and the influence of these "billionaires" is different. I don't think Ahmed the goat hearder in the kashmir region gives a fuck if our state backs VW eventhough they fucked up pretty bad, neither do I care if the state takes away his goat.
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Fuck Y*nkeeland and fuck Y*nkeedoodles!
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Just end it already
The world is a souless place
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>>73154253
this
western and eastern spirituality need an intellectual revival
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*farts*
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>>73154158
>I have more in common with other Americans than I do with schmucks living on the other side of the globe.
Culturally maybe but in terms of economic self interest you have more in common with a worker in India than with a capitalist at home. The fact is that the ruling class is trying to screw you both, and Indian porkies and American porkies have no problems working together to screw you both over as effectively as possible. It's a simple situation of having a common enemy in the global ruling class. This isn't high minded idealism either, it's naked self interest on the part of the workers.
>Who would determine what gets put out?
The community as a whole, through any number of methods. I'm imagining a kind of town hall system with weekly meetings, where a planning committee of elected officials would hear the concerns of the public and build a plan around that. This could be used alongside a system where elected economic planners conduct research on consumer preferences and collect data on past consumption patterns, much like corporations do today, to put together a plan for the community.
>How do we ensure those in charge don't turn into Mao/Stalin/Pol Pot?
Lots of ways. First of all you would have a bottom up federal system, with power concentrated at a local or county level. Second you would have a strong constitution enduring basic freedoms. Finally you have a two tiered military system, with a network of local militias that answer to local governments (which are run through direct democracy) as well as a Swiss style conscription system where every able bodied citizen keeps and maintains a rifle and periodically refreshes their military training. These militias would exist alongside a national military that would be limited in size, maybe to something like one third the combined manpower of all the militias.
1/2
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>>73154282
It's too late.
Too animalistic at this point.
I had faith in humans, but not anymore. Very few people left who surpass impulse and instinct.
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>>73154331
>Very few people left who surpass impulse and instinct.
In mainstream society perhaps, but that's always been true
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>>73154380
Shoot me then, because it's been 24 years and I can only count on one hand the number of people i know who aren't like this.
I'm tired of the game of life. I really wish there is something after this because this life isn't amusing the least to say.
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>>73154329
>What happens when various interest groups attempt to inevitably appropriate more for themselves? What happens when ethnic strife occurs? What happens if regions start to break off and form their own territories?
These are all more political issues. They don't really have much to do with the presence of a planned economy.
>To what degree would I have to submit myself to a central authority?
It depends on what you mean by central authority. Power would be concentrated at a local level, but it would still be a state in the traditional sense. I'm not an anarchist, I'm not trying to suggest that this would be stateless or totally voluntary or free of coercion, I don't think such a society is possible. There would be a state, a government, laws, police, force etc. The difference would be that it would be actually democratic, controlled by the people at large and oriented towards their needs, as establishing any kind of oligarchic control would be quite difficult without changing the system beyond recognition. Every individual would have a greatly expanded role and say in government and at their workplace, and constitutional protection of a basic standard of individual rights, but they would still have to abide by the decisions and laws of the community.
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>>73154329
>with a worker in India
Literally don't give a shit, and have no personal reason to. I do not want to be a part of some international megacountry, I wish to be an American. I was born one and goddamnit I'm going to die as one.
>Town hall meeting
Be one hell of a fucking town hall meeting. There's so much we do in our day to day lives good fucking luck keeping track of it all.
>Plan for the community
What if I like to be constantly on the move? When I'm done at uni I don't plan on settling down permanently for a long fucking while. Also I feel like possible community "plans" would be heavily biased/politicized, at least here. There would be numerous people seeking to get in and secure better things for themselves for the plan.
>Bottom up
Fair enough
>Strong constitution
Already have one, just need to remind our politicians of it.
>Two tiered military
We have the National Guard and the main military, with various state forces (some active, some inactive).
>Answer to local government
The State Forces already do, though no one other than Texas really uses them.
>Swiss style conscription
Won't fly. People raised absolute hell to get rid of conscription back in the 60's.
>Every able-bodied citizen keeps and maintains a rifle
A lot of people already do this, and have a hell of a lot more than just one rifle. You better not say some bullshit like every citizen needs their guns registered.
>Militias exist alongside a national military that would be limited in size...
How fucking much are you copying and pasting from Yugoslavia.
Look I can see where you're going with this but I cannot see the average American wanting this. Maybe a facet or two, but nowhere near the whole fucking package. Also while the bottom-up governing style is alluring, I can only see this leading to Balkanization. If someone tried to implement this in the states wholesale in the near future you'd see several regions breaking off and doing their own thing.
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facebook stories
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>>73154465
>Decisions and laws of the community
I can see that changing rather arbitrarily depending on the place.
>Actually democratic
If we're going by one vote-one person, then the cities would control the country. The electoral college isn't perfect but its designed to keep liberal hellholes like LA, Chicago, and NYC from controlling the entire country. Not saying this as a rural redneck, I'm from Cook County Illinois and I resent the bureaucratic fucking mess that is the Illinois state government.
>Then be the change and implement this form of Socialism
This is all fine and dandy except the shit you're not talking about the social aspects of Socialism. If the whole of the United States starts acting like the liberal areas of this country, then I would put a bullet through my brain.
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Scenario:
You're a sucessful celebrity but want to an hero. What is the best way to do this without the autopsy proving suicide? In other words, "died of natural causes"
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>>73154158
>What happens when we want better and faster cars for leisure?
I think the best solution is a bonus system. Any individual that manages to design a popular product, or one that improves upon something else in a significant way, could receive a monetary bonus. You could have a system where people pitch ideas and designs to their communities at town hall meetings, and the community can vote to endorse it or not. If it has the support of the community it could be put into a catalogue of new products available online or by mail, where people in other parts of the country could browse people's new ideas and designs and order things they like. You could also just dish about bonuses for improved products like faster computers, faster cars, better housing or whatever. This is just one model that I came up with, but there is nothing in socialism that precludes rewarding people for making extra contributions to society.
>>73154169
>Our struggles are different too, because our economys and the influence of these "billionaires" is different. I don't think Ahmed the goat hearder in the kashmir region gives a fuck if our state backs VW eventhough they fucked up pretty bad, neither do I care if the state takes away his goat.
Well a goat herder isn't a worker, they're a peasant, so you aren't of the same class. A better example would be you vs Pedro the Mexican auto worker. Both your bosses have a common interest in gutting social programs, busting up unions, extracting your surplus value, etc and both you and Pedro have a vested interest in stopping that. I can't force you to feel solidarity with people, all I'm saying is that it's in your material self interest to do so.
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>>73154595
But Pedro is a western guy, I feel closer to him anyways, because we of our world view.
But let's say Ahmed works in the VW plant here in germany.
He may be here, he may suffer the same things, but I don't feel as close to him as to Pedro. I don't know it's a personal thing.
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>>73154464
>life isn't amusing the least to say.
Find a good woman and start a family
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>>73154491
>If someone tried to implement this in the states wholesale in the near future you'd see several regions breaking off and doing their own thing.
which would improve america
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>>73154573
>If we're going by one vote-one person, then the cities would control the country.
Not really, since most decisions would be made locally. As for the national government, which would be quite limited, I'm actually a fan of the American system of balancing representation by population in congress with representation by region in the senate. I would want to see a similar if not identical mode implemented.
>This is all fine and dandy except the shit you're not talking about the social aspects of Socialism. If the whole of the United States starts acting like the liberal areas of this country, then I would put a bullet through my brain.
Liberals aren't socialists. I'm imagining a society of strong individualism tempered with a healthy respect for democracy and the Liberty principle (which I think capitalism violates). Smug liberal yuppies are worse than conservatives desu.
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>tfw there are still Bernouts on my campus
>"B-BERNIE WOULD HAVE WON!"
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>>73154650
>I don't know it's a personal thing.
That's what your countryman Max Stirner referred to as a "spook". Basically it's any kind of personal hang up or cultural construct with no physical basis that keeps you from realizing your own self interest. Religion, the state, and nationality are all spooks. The challenge is to free your mind of spooks in order to see that even if Achmed may appear different, you are fighting the same battles. Even if Achmed is a shitheaded durka Islamist, your common interests in a material sense don't change, all it means is that Achmed has his own spooks he needs to get rid of.
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>>73154656
Not interested. I know myself too well.
But let's say you convince me. I give it a shot. Now I have a kid but realize i was going to regret it all along and it's too late.
Do you continue to live, hating your life, but knowing any sudden change in your opinion could destroy the lives of your child and wife?
Or do you say fuck it and bite the bullet?
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>>73154595
I'm going to stop now, primarily because it's 4:05 in the morning and I have class in five hours but also because we're not going to get anywhere. Other than a much more de-centralized government and a mandatory right to arms nothing you've said appeals to me in any way nor to me seems like it could be realistically worked out here in the states without dying in its infancy. You'd have to get people to uncharacteristically give a fuck about people they either don't want to or don't care for, and that's going to be extremely fucking difficult without coercion, at which point everything goes to shit.
In the end, many Americans are indeed stubborn and pigheaded ultra-nationalistic morons, but its part of what makes us American. It may sound odd to be overly attached to a place that I happened to have the lucky chance to be born in, but to quote Webster the phrase
>I was born an American; I will live an American; I shall die an American.
Not an America that's part of some sort of internationalist movement, not some America co-opted by a foreign ideology, but a free and independent America that goes its own way. I won't sugarcoat the shit we've done and the sins my country has committed by I will stand by and adhere to the framework of this country as put down by the Founders.
Until next time.
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>>73154820
Good talk friends. Glad it didn't degenerate into calling each other cuck and throwing gulag and helicopter memes around. Have a rare Ian.
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>>73154691
I mean I'm not totally against it myself, but you may not like the end results.
>>73154695
>Liberals aren't socialists
Well they like to claim to be here. Look, in all of my travails throughout this country and with all the yuppies and sjws and hipster bastards that I've run into, I've only met one person who professed to be a socialist who had the characteristics you've mentioned. One. Granted I have great respect for this person and he is also one of my best friends (we disagree politically on many things obviously) I don't see Americans converting over to his line of thinking anytime soon. I've met other "socialists" who make up the majority of people professed to be socialists in this country, and they make me want to tear my hair out. If push came to shove in the near future, it'd probably be the latter who'd be trying to push for some kind of "revolution".
Last last post, I need sleep
>>73154872
Civilized arguments are for the most part dead, I enjoy doing one when I can.
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>>73153855
i think pepe is worse
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