Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1831

Danke!

>>72780983
This may end up dying from lack of activity at this time of the day/night on a Sunday, anyway.

>>72780554
For Norway anon, a list of manga series which I cannot find scans of or digital copies of on either 楽天 Amazon's Kindle版 version. If anyone else has scans of any of these series, if you could share them it would be excellent.
LSD~ろんぐすろーでぃすたんす~ by ほた。
ラッキー・ブレイク by 平つくね
ヴぁるばいと! by あまー
スクール・アーキテクト by 器械
リメインズ・JC by クマノイ
箱庭ひなたぼっこ by ちろり
サンタクロース・オフ! by 阿部かなり
水瀬まりんの航海日誌 by フクハラマサヤ
ハルソラ行進曲(マーチ) by そと
うにうにうにうに by 青田めい
魔法少女ほむらたむら ~平行世界がいつも平行であるとは限らないのだ。~ by MagicaQuartet
イキモノシステム by ユイザキカズヤ
ホームメイドヒーローズ by 鈴城芹
みことの一手! by 宇城はやひろ
うちのざしきわらしが by てっけんとう
かいちょー by 武シノブ
となりの魔法少女 by 七葉なば
ソラミちゃんの唄 by ノッツ
Free! by GAN
さくらティーブレイク! by 都桜和
執事少女とお嬢様 by 真田一輝
ギタ×マン! by りぽでぃ
とりあえず居合でも。 by 秋野はも
ののかノート by 水乃ミナト
ステルス×メイツ by ととねみぎ
ハレハレハレルヤ! by つっつ
寄り道ファミリ by タダタグ

A spreadsheet with more information on these titles can be found here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10HlYr0vPaDc4vK_e8bUGC01Q2I38GhetpKKEwquHRck/edit?usp=sharing

File: 9a97f307c02b865e4319ff0b4244136c663139b4df706da7bf02795846180e7a.png (734KB, 720x540px) Image search: [Google]

734KB, 720x540px

悪いこと言わないから今のうちに諦めたほうが身のためかもしれない
日本語をマスターするには語感の鋭さと優れた記憶力を併せ持った上で膨大な時間と努力を注がなくてはならない
仮にお前がそんな天賦の才に恵まれた暇人NEETだとしても一生戻ってこない10代後半と20代前半、いや、全般を語学に捧げて本当にいいのか
大学を三つくらい余裕で出れる時間だよ?
とにかく語学というものはなめてかかると苦汁をなめることになるからよく考えてから取り掛かろう
ま、当スレの過疎り具合からすると大半がもう諦めたんじゃないかとw

>>72781321
If anyone wants to know more about that list, it isn't random. A little while ago I started buying and ripping various manga I was interested in and noticed that a fair few of them were from the same publisher and magazines. Since then a more organised list was put together and in so I'm trying to put together a more specific branch of the manga part of the CoR, in a way.
Here is the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jcn7Z4tbdRblEGnq6jzfW_sc-cOekTSs_N8z7mqb8Uc/edit?usp=sharing

It's been posted before but at that stage it was more of a random list of titles with download links. Some explanation:
First sheet 芳文社 is complete series and their information and download links. Everything from this page is published by 芳文社.
>First column:
link to an image of the series, usually a cover page to give you some idea of the artwork, etc.
>Second column:
manga series name.
>Third column:
Mangaka.
>Forth column:
this is what is in the download link. For example 1~9 means that the mega link will have volumes 1 to 9. Series with a yellowy coloured cell mean that it isn't complete.
>Fifth column:
the latest volume.
>Sixth column:
date of the latest published volume. It should be noticeable that volumes with a future publishing date are those series with a yellowy cell in the forth column. They will be updated once the volumes are released and available to buy/rip.
>Seventh column:
title of the magazine the manga was serialised in.
>Eight column:
publisher. It has a link to the series page on the publisher's website. Sometimes they aren't exactly the publisher because the series publication information is instead published on a related magazine website, like ドキドキビジュアル does with some of their きらら works instead of having it hosted on 芳文社.
>Ninth column:
mega co nz download link.

>>72782101
The second sheet 他の出版社 is the same as the first sheet only the manga series are from different publishers. They are really only there because they were grabbed before the focus was decided to be exclusively on まんがタイムきらら related publications.
The third sheet 整理 is stuff that is being processed.
The fourth sheet 一覧表 is the other titles I'll be adding. Things will generally move from this sheet to the third sheet then to the first sheet once fully uploaded and up to date.
The reason this is being done is mainly because I tend to find these sorts of series entertaining and because I have an opinion that learning vocabulary and the more playful aspects of the language can be a lot more forgiving and accessible to learners in manga.
Depending on what is available online this may not take all that long to fully up. Once it's all up to date it isn't all that difficult to keep up to date, given how many of the series being serialised by these magazines are being published digitally. There are many titles with scan quality I'm not all that happy with and are planning to, perhaps starting sometime next year, bulk order series and personally scan them to have high quality scans available for myself and readers. That's further down the line due to being a several thousand dollar commitment with a bunch of logistics to sort out.

Hello mates!

I would like to ask if whether 500 kanji is a good base? and was also wondering how long did it take you to 'learn' the first 500?

>>72782216
Count your vocab in words, not kanji. 500 kanji doesn't mean shit if you don't know words that use them.

>>72781735
うるさい!俺は絶対に諦めない。永遠に!

File: 1485077756102.jpg (171KB, 1520x1604px) Image search: [Google]

171KB, 1520x1604px

>>72783227
どうぞご勝手に人生を棒に振ってください

is はじめまして always written in kana?

>>72784010
No, you can use 初めまして as well.

>>72784010
初めまして or 始めまして
most japanese today use the former

恥めまして

>>72784796
when using kanji

File: c62.jpg (66KB, 546x700px) Image search: [Google]

66KB, 546x700px

>>72775873
Are you the same autismo who said a few threads ago that people who need meds should die or something? You're pretty fucked up dude.

>>72784893
What's interesting, I found some peculiar examples with it written like 蒐めまして, 創めまして or 肇めまして. They are all extremely uncommon though.

Visual Kei is the best genre on this planet right now.

>>72785823
What bands particularly do you speak of?

nametara ikanzeyo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrl5henKVT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaiCMNsN2BY

Does watching japanese content with english subtitles actually help? it seems that the english subs mean a whole lot different than what is trying to be said in japanese, this applies to most japanese movies

>>72786642
It helps if you already have some knowledge of Japanese. But as you said, subs are rarely - nor they should be - literal translations, so they won't help if you don't know what you're doing.

>>72786642
far better to watch it with Japanese subs. with English subs you'll mostly just be reading the subs instead of paying attention to the japanese

>>72786802
This is also true, the subs can distract you. I personally watch everything without subs and then I rewatch it with subs in case I didn't understand much. If the subs are there, my eyes just read them automatically and so I don't focus on listening.

File: IMG_9726.gif (1MB, 396x355px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 396x355px

>>72786802
>don't know Japanese
>watch it with Japanese subs

>>72787264
when you're still early in learning it will be hard to understand much, that is true, but that's better than reading along with translations and ignoring the japanese. besides, if you wouldn't understand anything at all without translations, you would probably benefit more from studying vocab. please go shitpost somewhere else

File: anki_2017-03-26_07-41-23.jpg (3KB, 243x29px) Image search: [Google]

3KB, 243x29px

Finals are over, finally had time to catch up.. And i still got 400 cards to go...

>>72790082
頑張って

>>72790082
what the actual fuck

この川で暇をつぶすだけのそんな青春があってもええんちゃうか

"There's nothing wrong with adolescence merely spent wasting time by this river, don't you agree?"

Do I get the general idea?

>>72790082
Is it really worth doing that many cards?

>>72791004
I would think if you take the time to keep up with the reps everyday it would be fine.
I also try to use new words in conversations right away which helps.
On a normal day I would do somewhere from 300~600 cards as long as I have time.

>>72791425
Oh right I thought you were doing 1.6k every day.

Is there a way to do listening practice without it being ridiculously time consuming?

>>72792129
Listen to it at x2 speed

>>72785528
Yes, but what was meant was that meds like the type the guy was using are only supposed to be used as a crutch, and shouldn't be used constantly. You're supposed to wean off them while fixing whatever problem you have, and the guy wasn't doing that. If you need a crutch your whole life without making an effort to fix yourself, then you would have been non-functional in any other era, and there are certainly issues to raise with that.

>>72792872
I can't even hear it properly at 1x speed

Please translate なかなかグッときた。

>>72793215
Came inside good

>>72793215

"was touched immensely" "strongly felt" "hit hard"

Thank you, then what about this? キツくても見極め慣れ?

Fuck it I give up I'll just stick to reading Japanese forever

Listening practice can suck my dick

>>72781321
Unfortunately there's a good number of those that aren't present in the site's library, but the following showed up. I'll start ripping and uploading now, so I'll probably have a mega link ready by the end of the day.

>ヴぁるばいと!
>スクール・アーキテクト
>リメインズ・JC
>箱庭ひなたぼっこ
>サンタクロース・オフ!
>水瀬まりんの航海日誌
>ハルソラ行進曲
>魔法少女ほむらたむら ~平行世界がいつも平行であるとは限らないのだ
>イキモノシステム
>ホームメイドヒーローズ
>みことの一手!

>>72793082

>then you would have been non-functional in any other era

Right, maybe so but we don't live in a different era, do we? You're rambling on about arbitrary social darwinist prescriptions on a fucking beginners Japanese thread. The funny thing is we are most likely complete and total political allies, but I'll be damned if unorthodox politics doesn't attract some of the biggest autists on the Internet.

File: 28405262_p6.jpg (190KB, 1024x768px) Image search: [Google]

190KB, 1024x768px

>>72793775
You glorious bastard, thank you so much.

>>72793955
Not social darwinism, biological darwinism. Are you one of those anti scientific facts liberals?

>>72793955
And the guy was derailing the thread talking about his anxiety medication, I'm sorry if my response to him triggered you, it was just better than telling him simply to fuck off to another board.

File: 0c2965646a1f67a8bbf1e27e611e4b2b.jpg (37KB, 380x350px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 380x350px

>>72794549

You were making a normative claim about the man's use of psychosomatic medicine in the modern world based off of the survival of a different era; that certainly could be considered social Darwinism. I assume all of us here have the luxury of spending hours and hours learning the language of Asian island people, right? We're not exactly toiling away day after day perfecting our survival skills, nor are we training our brain for the so-called "natural world", testing our adaptation in a world our ancestors had to suffer, are we? Do we all need to just roll over and die because we couldn't make it in another "era"? Empirical data offers much better reasons to avoid psychosomatic medicine.

>And the guy was derailing the thread talking about his anxiety medication

It's been a few days, but I believe he was simply stating that he was either changing medication or was getting off medication, and he was having trouble staying motivated learning Japanese. Occasionally we can just provide some words of encouragement to our peers who wind up in the thread; we don't have to tell them to "fuck off". And the fact you were thinking that as an alternative to "you'd be dead in the good old days" rant reinforces that you probably have autism, so talking about "situational appropriateness" would be a waste of my time. Also like I said we are likely complete political allies, and this is a Japanese beginners thread, so I'm not going to respond any more on this matter.

File: IMG_9494.jpg (716KB, 1915x2554px) Image search: [Google]

716KB, 1915x2554px

Long time no see.(*'ω'*)
I was busy. What did you get up to a few days ago?

>>72796190
I see where you're coming from and I agree, I just had the same crutch he had and someone shook me out of it with natural selection talk. It made me see a possible better version of myself that I wanted to attain, so I answered in a harsh way to make him see that he could actually study without this crutch if he truly visualizes himself as this better person.

File: 1483208767548.jpg (56KB, 960x720px) Image search: [Google]

56KB, 960x720px

>>72780554
>tfw only know 15.000 kanji
>can't even read shounenshit
Intermediate hell is hell.

>>72797749
>know 15.000 kanji
nice bullshit, bro

Bump to the question about のせい
>>72777467

>>72777467
>Also, is there a similar meme in english community?

"Thanks, Obama"

File: .png (330KB, 625x542px) Image search: [Google]

330KB, 625x542px

>>72781321
>>72794300
You're welcome.
https://mega.nz/#F!DlJUjQZL!gumlBLIsmFsTTKBliP-E8Q

>>72797409
Haven't done much, need to look for a job. I hope your friend does come back from university.

>>72797749
>know 15.000 kanji
The fuck? You mean 1500?

>>72791425
>conversations
no

File: 1462363020181.png (21KB, 675x520px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 675x520px

>>72797921
>>72800904
Holy shit, thanks so much Argentina and Japón for killing the joke, omedetou!

How can you even enter this thread and not look at OP's pic? How can anyone ignore a chart? Charts are more enticing than porn. Fuck you big time!

>>72801148
this is the thread for dumb normies and newfags who don't know djt memes and probably don't even know the original mt stupid picture

>>72785979

X JAPAN

>>72781321
What is involved in removing Rakuten DRM from novel epubs? Does it require username/password as input?

>>72797409
That's not how you use the - at the end of a line

>>72801148
無礼ですねぇ(~_~メ)

>>72801910
Is he just throwing it there randomly? Kinda looks like it

Who invented Kanji. Some moron probably? Really, every fucking character is a word? Fucking dumbass chinese

>>72802478
it works pretty well in chinese because it's mostly 1 to 1 it's just in Japanese where it gets completely fucked

>>72780554
Can someone give me a quick rundown on the >you can't learn japanese meme? Who's that girl?

File: 1449283777667.jpg (21KB, 229x173px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 229x173px

>>72802914
All you need to know

>>72802946
But I already know that, stopped trying several years ago.

>>72802478
just continue studying. at around 400 words into core 2k you'll realize they're your friend, not your enemy

>>72803040
They are only your friend because they already fucked the language and made it so retarded that they are necessary. If they never entered the language to begin with it would have been much easier.

>>72803131
I mean without kanji you'd have no fucking idea what is being said but ok.

File: 1473524423698.png (4KB, 279x231px) Image search: [Google]

4KB, 279x231px

>>72803131
maybe if you keep complaining the language will magically change to suit your needs

>>72803226
Why not just use hiragana and spaces? There's no way this Kanji makes more sense than that

>>72801668
Three things:
1. Kobo desktop program
2. Calibre
3. Obok DeDRM plugin
This is assuming you have a 楽天 account.
1. purchase the ebook.
2. open Calibre (assuming you have installed the plugin).
3. open Kobo and sign into your 楽天全員 account.
4. sync the library/download the book. Should happen automatically.
5. once book is downloaded, close Kobo (hitting the X in the window, not signing out)
6. click on the Obok DeDRM plugin icon, it should display a prompt with the book. Tell it to strip the DRM.
7. open the file path of the now DRM removed epub file, move/copy it to somewhere useful, rename if you want (the file name will be messed up, with Chinese readings for characters).
8. either use epub as is or change extension to zip, extract and use html files, what have you.

>Kobo desktop program:
http://books.rakuten.co.jp/event/e-book/application/desktop/?scid=wi_kb_top_mainnavi_application_desktop
>Calibre:
https://calibre-ebook.com/download
>Obok DeDRM plugin:
https://www.epubor.com/convert-kobo-kepub-to-epub-and-remove-drm.html#p1

Happy hunting.

>>72803603
And how would that help with all those homophones?

>>72803226
ore ha kore demo heiki dakedo na

>>72803603
There'd be like fifty ways to interpret each word, then (especially single-syllabic ones). The language would become even harder to read, though I'm not shocked that an English speaker would be unable to recognize what makes a language hard to read LUL.

>>72804620
The language is affected by the use of kanji though. Yes, if people did not change how they wrote at all, it would become harder to read by replacing kanji with kana. But realistically if kanji were removed, people would begin to favor japanese words over the more ambiguous sino compounds.

Cross posting from the /jp/ DJT.

Does anyone know how to add a font right into a deck? The core 2k/6k has a different font on mobile.

>>72780554
how do fix chrome's japanese rendering halp it looks like shit

>>72780554
>http://djtguide.neocities.org/
How long would you guys say it takes to understand hiragana, katakana and the 6K words on Anki? 6-7 months?

>>72805118
depends

>>72804885
You're using a poordroid phone aren't you?

I feel bad for people stuck with those. You can tweak it all you want, but it's still going to look like shite.

>>72805118
You can learn hiragana and katakana in a day each with the right tools. Fiend one of those mnemonic websites and the flash card style games

>>72805118
Kana: insignificant (a week or less)
Core6k: 6000/(number of new cards you study per day) days

>>72805144
Depends on my willpower or on how retarded I am? I already learnt Norwegian and English largely by my own efforts back when I was way younger.

>>72804988
Check chrome's font settings and adjust them however you like.

>>72805118
Hiragana/katakana is doable in a day.
Kanji is... more complicated.

>>72803131
Kanji are just like Latin and Greek roots in English.

Knowing them:

1. Isn't hard at all
2. Is a huge shortcut when you do

There are probably people studying English who think "isomorphism" is a CRAZY word like woah how can I ever remember that, but it's totally logical and self-defining. Most kanji compounds are like that.

>>72805240
depends what you mean by "understand" the words, how fast you go, and how much you focus on finishing the 6k words over reading and other learning varieties.

>>72805407
Except latin and greek words don't change to have 3 forms with no reliable pattern depending on which words they are in. It's like if you took the problem of "un" and "in" (infeasible/unplayable not unfeasible/inplayable) and extended it to every other fucking word in the english language). It's like genders in other languages where it does nothing but make it more of a pain in the ass.

In Chinese you don't have that problem so they actually do make the language easier.

>>72805680
Ygg, they do. There are LOTS of irregular declensions in Latin/Greek.

>>72805231
>>72805237
>>72805317
>>72805544
I see, thanks.

>>72805812
I meant to say latin/greek roots used in English not literal latin/greek.

>>72805680
you're still here complaining? what are you even doing here mate?

>>72805680
The readings are almost always obvious. In 99% of cases you can see a new kanji compound from characters you've previously studied and be able to read and decipher it.

Can be ひィ!!? sound of movement (snake) or it's just sound of fright?

>>72806379
well, with those exclamation marks I'd wager it's just a sound of fright

>>72806040
It takes more than one person to argue m8 if you don't care don't reply, don't just post to act smug.

I've already learned the language but it's still pretty silly to ignore the effects kanji had on the language. Ya'll are just suffering from stockholm syndrome

>>72806053
>The readings are almost always obvious.

They are not obvious often enough that it can be difficult to remember if a given word is one of the obvious ones or not.

>>72806988
You just sound like a brainlet tbqh

>>72806379
Why not post a screenshot of what you're asking about? It only takes a few seconds especially if you have ShareX or something and it makes answers a lot more accurate.

>>72807733
>ShareX
>not just hitting print screen, pasting into mspaint and cropping how you want it

桃色レンジャーとセックスしたい

>>72807994
Why do that when sharex is much more convenient?

>>72808342
Why download a program to do it when your OS can do it already?

File: 1489016442537.png (246KB, 511x502px) Image search: [Google]

246KB, 511x502px

>>72805317
>>72805231
Was happy because I learnt about 15 hiragana character in a day
>You can learn hiragana and katakana in a day each
>Hiragana/katakana is doable in a day.
Fucking end me plz

>>72808578
Because as said, it's more convenient.

>>72808630
You're not doing it the right way. The first time I tried I could only learn like 10 in a day. Go for brute force. Use https://www.hiraganaquiz.com/ and https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana/

The second website seems really stupid, but it will help before you realize it

>>72808726
How is it more convenient? You still have to hit a hotkey, you still have to crop it and you still have to save it

>>72808788
I just tested printscreen+crop+save a section of my screen as fast as I could, vs sharex for the same image. Results:

Your method took 21 seconds
ShareX method took 4 seconds

>>72808788
>ShareX: Ctrl+PrtSc, select region
>your method: PrtSc, open Paint, Ctrl-V, select region, press Crop, save, think of file name.

Has anyone else experienced the audio not working for an extremely large portion of newly added words in Rikaisama, even common ones that should have audio? The audio file is still linked to the card, but it just says "no audio". Is there some fix for this, or another way to import audio that isn't too cumbersome?

>>72809310
This guy has a point >>>/jp/16768577
The answer is also in that comment chain, so look it up.

What are the best tools for learning other than anki on [spoiler]mac[/spoiler]

>>72782216
Define "knowing" a kanji. To me that means knowing 1-5 words with that kanji, the readings, the stroke order and some keyword for it. If you mean just connecting a keyword to a kanji, then probably not.
On that topic, I've been doing the KanjiDamage deck for about a month and I'm at about 900 cards(2 cards per kanji) since I've done 20 and then switched to 40 new cards a day. Since at least 200 are still fresh in my mind, I'd say im a bit familiar with about 350 kanji. If you work hard i bet you can do it in 2/3 months.

>>72810167
Installing Windows

>>72810167
Simple Comic, mpv.

>>72810167
check again, because everything just werks

>>72810167
Firefox+raikaisama+rikaisama anki plugin to read websites and LNs
An OCR(Like Capture2Text) to copy stuff from images or programs
The google handwriting keyboard for japanese on your phone(You draw a kanji and it recognizes it, you can then look it up in a dictionary or something)
Interactive Text Hooker+Atlas or something+Translation Aggregator for reading VNs
The DJT guide and it's mangas/VN/literature list by difficulty
Imabi
Tae Kim's grammar guide

>>72810167
Pen and paper with a book of your choice.

>graded readers
What do you think about it?

>>72812162

I have one, fifth grade level. I never use it since I can't rikaisama a real book lol. They seem fine though if you are adept enough in the grammar and vocabulary used (and definitely if you have a text format version).

>>72812162
Do they exist for higher levels?
I know you're supposed to be reading "real Japanese" at that point, but it'd be nice if there was a series that deliberately used as much N1 grammar as possible.

>>72812162
Boring, slow and artificial. I don't think there's any point at which you're better off reading a graded reader than an ordinary book.

Please translate ゲームはサラ攻略できないっぽいしアレックスから攻略したいと思います

>>72813177
This game brings a great pleasure to Sarah. The pleasure of being cummed inside by Alex.

>>72813177

Context my finn man

Any good resources on phonetics and pitch accent? I'm looking for "The Phonetics of Japanese Language"

>>72814716
You could try those video lessons that were posted a few days ago. I haven't watched them yet but they're supposed to be decent.

>>72814886
They're not complete yet though, and I'd have to pay 10 dollars to get access to them once it's finished anyway (Unless someone who is a patron for Dogen would be kind enough to hook me up with free videos)

>>72814910
I'm pretty sure the anon who shared them is a patron, since the links he posted were all private.

>Core 2k_6k_10K Further Optimized
From the CoR, is this the recommended 10K? Or is there a newer version out there?

>>72815032
Yeah, my post was a not-so-subtle way to get him to come out and help me.

>>72805206
Samsung note 2. I know you can put fonts on, just not how.

>>72803603
I just saw a report that 50% of Detroit is illiterate. I'll say the same thing the japanese said to americans who wanted to remove kanji after WWII even though the nips were more literate than burgers at the time: fuck off and look in the mirror.

>>72809016
>>72808989
Why not just fucking snipping tool? It does the same damn thing but in the OS.

hello djt
I don't speak a word of japanese except arigato and hai but I've been watching a lot of anime lately and it seems like every other word is in broken English

do Japanese people really use so much English in their vocabulary or is this just an anime thing?

>>72801128
what does that mean?

File: jap.jpg (49KB, 341x328px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 341x328px

Fuck off back to /a/

/int/ already have a japanese thread

>>72815171
http://pastebin.com/mER12tzm
here's a link to the videos he posted, but he said he cancelled his subscription so I don't think he can post links to any new videos

>>72815632
Nah.

>>72815171
>>72815684
I'm not the original anon who posted them, but I'm going to wait a month or two and try and get the links to anything else he's posted.

But like I said it's going to be awhile because I want it to be worth it.

>>72815520
Lots of anime characters speak shitty english for no reason, but it is true that there are a lot of english loanwords that get daily use.

>>72815764
Okay, I'll hang around the thread.
Do you have any contact info so I can check back later?

File: image.jpg (34KB, 480x437px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 480x437px

>>72815632
We already have enough stupidity, go back to your favela monkey.

File: 1435401588798.jpg (275KB, 800x608px) Image search: [Google]

275KB, 800x608px

>>72801274

Sorry if there has a been a spergy argument repeated copiously in past threads, but what utility would practicing phonetics by itself have? I don't see why spending precious time trying to rid myself of an accent (assuming the accent is understandable, of course) couldn't be better spent reading, listening, vocab, grammar, etc. I'll try to have an open mind and watch some of those videos, though.

>>72816477
If you're fine with sounding like a 外人 you don't have to worry about phonetics at all. If you want your spoken Japanese to sound as natural as possible learning phonetics is just as important an any other part of the learning process. It's all about what you your goals are, and if you don't see a use for it there may not be any use in learning phonetics for you.

>>72816872
I'm only learning Japanese to shitpost on 2ch

>>72816037
Fuck off, you gook

>>72816954
Phonetics probably isn't worth your time then.

Is listening to music or watching something during anki sessions a bad idea? I get bored after the first half hour of studying.

>>72816872

What would you say is the time investment of "practicing" phonetics? Sounding native is certainly low on the list of priorities, but if something like fifteen minutes dedicated to practicing it a day would yield great results in the long run, I may not hesitate to look into it.

>>72817257
Studying's not supposed to be interesting, if you lose focus stop anki and do something else for 10-20 minutes then come back to it with renewed focus. Music or basically anything else I have going on in the background reduces my retention by like 20%

>>72816954
Aren't non-nippon IPs banned from posting on 2ch? Or is that just a Futaba thing?

>>72780554
What is the y axis supposed to be?

>>72817453
I'll buy a proxy

>>72815520
If you ask for "koucha" or "gyuunyuu", they will ask if you meant "tea" and "miruku".

It's really bastardizing Japanese little by little.

>>72817530
>Doesn't know how to read a graphic
>Uses the word y axis

There are 2 curves, one represents one thing and the other another thing. Just look at the text and match each curve to the text in the same colour.

>>72817304
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1lnQ5djeoXO

>>72817315
This. Having ADHD should be a crime.

>>72817257
>I get bored after the first half hour of studying.
What the hell?

Listening to music or whatever is not necesarily a bad idea(Some people study better with music, most people don't). Try to have a comfortable studying enviroment, whatever that means to you(How do you normally study for stuff like school or w/e? Try that)
Studying, almost by definition, should be boring. There's nothing you or we can do about that. People who actually do enjoy studying japanese do exist though.
The important thing is you don't overwork yourself or suffer from studying too much(Do not try something stupid like 100+ new cards a day)

File: 17.png (60KB, 262x265px) Image search: [Google]

60KB, 262x265px

Not really understanding the grammar of this sentence... I know she's saying something like "I can't offer you hospitality" but I have a few questions:

1. What is the point of adding 何の and how does it make sense to use this word when it's meaning is "what kind/what sort"
2. What is the meaning of も here? Why not use は or が? Is trying to say "I can't offer you hospitality either," implying that the other bear can't either or something?
3. が doesn't really have any significant meaning here, just "and..." or "but," right?

>>72818249
I dont understand either, but i think (1) means something like "Whatever", and the phrase is something like "No matter what"
Could you share the full page?

File: 18.png (685KB, 844x1093px) Image search: [Google]

685KB, 844x1093px

>>72818332

>>72818249
Something like 何も or だれも means "any kind", "anybody," etc.
When used with a negative it means "no kind," "nobody," etc.

Also it's common to end sentences with が or けど when expressing a less than optimal situation. You just trail off right there without spelling it out any further.

>>72818411

But she never used 何も or 誰も, right? She used なんの and も later on, both of which I don't get in this context

>>72818411
To be a bit clearer:
なんのおもてまし -> some form of hospitality
なんのおもてましも -> any form of hospitality
なんのおもてましもしません -> I can't offer you any form of hospitality
なんのおもてましもしませんが -> I can't offer you any form of hospitality, (which is a bad thing of course sorry about that but maybe I'll see what I can do etc. etc.)

File: anki_2017-03-26_07-42-37.jpg (15KB, 284x102px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 284x102px

>>72818213
I do enjoy studying. This picture was from yesterday.
I just wanted to know if people use something to stay on track. Taking breaks feels like a waste of time, even if its to eat.
At least half of those new cards are from an anime deck I just started so I went through them fast.

>>72818484

Can you lead me to any resources that further explain this grammar? Thanks, but I just don't get how なんの + も later on can combine to convey the meaning of 何も

Maybe it's easy and I'm missing something, but I've never been exposed to that before

>>72818456
何も would be "anything", sorry. I should have put ellipsis in my first post

It would be weird to say "anything hospitality" of course

You need の to connect the noun to 何, then も comes last, for "any kind of X"

>>72818556
Wait, does "Learn:" here mean new cards?

>>72818562

That seems way too weird not to have a Tae Kim lesson on or something. Any further reading on this?

>>72818101
How can I read a graphic if there's no y axis?

>>72818561
何の本 would be "what kind of book"
aka "biology", "history", "fiction"

you can't really say 何本

so when you want to say "whatever kind of book" or "any kind of book", that structure needs to be preserved before adding も

>>72818622
There is though?
Are you looking for exact numbers representing a "sense of futility" or "accomplishment"? Cuz i don't think there are
>>72818484
Wow this is an amazing explanation, not the guy who asked but, thanks!

>>72818646

Thanks a lot, I think I understand now, but can't you just put 何も at the beginning instead of everything else? If so what would be the difference between the two forms?

>>72818646
What differentiates 何の from どんな?

>>72818697
Well 何も is really closer to "anything/nothing" than "any kind of". Think of how these words differ in English.

But you can certainly say something like "れきしの本は、何もないよ" --> there aren't any history books
Putting it at the end of sentences is pretty safe for a beginner I think.

>>72818707
何の本 would be asking for the genre of the book
どんな本 would be asking if it's interesting, scary, etc

>>72818788
I see, thanks.

>>72818788

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it

>>72818666
>there is though
Then what is it? The x axis is kanjis, but what is the y? If there is no y axis then the curve is completely irrelevent.

>>72818129

Thanks; if I achieved a level of Japanese speaking comparable to your level of English speaking, I think I would be content. I'll still try and watch some of those Dogen videos tomorrow and see what I think.

>>72818484
>おもてまし
>ま

>>72818922
Blame your education system or the pediatrician who failed to diagnose your autism.

File: 1480772517864.jpg (23KB, 463x463px) Image search: [Google]

23KB, 463x463px

Welp, I got distracted and haven't done my reps in like 3 weeks.

90% wrong so far.

Fuck me in the ass.

>>72819030
look at his picture

>>72818922
>>72818101
>There are 2 curves, one represents one thing and the other another thing. Just look at the text and match each curve to the text in the same colour.

File: Aチャンネル_8_000b.jpg (445KB, 1353x1920px) Image search: [Google]

445KB, 1353x1920px

>>72780554
Aチャンネル 第8巻 came out today.
Digital version:

https://mega.nz/#F!0BZ32LSC!s0DQB9i0lEOTWFAn3u5ACg

One good thing about まんがタイムきらら magazine series published by 芳文社 is that you usually get your money worth with their digital versions.
1353x1920 res pages, with clean scans. Great for reading with Kanjitomo or ORC Manga Reader, for easy word look-ups.

File: Aチャンネル_8_009.jpg (433KB, 1353x1920px) Image search: [Google]

433KB, 1353x1920px

>>72819125
Wrong fucking link, my bad.
https://mega.nz/#F!dRw1RZiI!1PfaI29SedluT1wXsyH2ow

>>72819125
I don't even know what it is about and downloaded the 7 previous volumes just because the images look so sharp and yummy. Will be a while before I actually get to it.

File: untitled.png (186KB, 731x1009px) Image search: [Google]

186KB, 731x1009px

>>72819290
That's the spirit.

>>72819184
>エスカレーターの立ち位置が左やし
こっわ

At what point should I learn grammar? I have gone through maybe 200 words in the core deck.

>>72819468
Whenever you feel ready to start learning Japanese you may begin with grammar

Anyone else play old-school JRPGs in Japanese?

Or are you all hardcore pornfags(and/or in-denial "visual novel fans")?

>>72819607
Don't get smug with us.
Playing computer RPGs, especially the Japanese kind, is the telltale sign of a brainlet.
From a gameplay perspective JRPGs are literally no better than any of the app store skinner boxes you find on single mothers' phones these days.
You probably read more in "porn games"

File: 1437425678558.png (276KB, 586x634px) Image search: [Google]

276KB, 586x634px

>>72819765
Bruh. The only difference between American RPGs (or even D&D) and JRPGs is that in ARPGs the combat is single-player vs. random The Hobbit-style monsters whereas JRPGs feature fantasy creatures (usually) and feature a 3+ battle system with anime styling instead of goth/medieval.

I don't even know what the flying fuck you're talking about you fake weeaboo Jap-flag faggot.

You've clearly never played a JRPG before. I don't want to fucking read line after line of text. I want to read a little, play a little, and repeat.

>>72819890
jrpgs are linear as fuck faggot

>>72819607
>>72819890
Imagine being this insecure

File: 1360383102164.jpg (132KB, 800x900px) Image search: [Google]

132KB, 800x900px

>>72819920
What game isn't linear you tweener? You grew up on open world/sandbox style games so I guess it's new to you.

There's a big wide world out there that isn't Grand Theft Auto and Minecraft you scrub fuck.

>>72819925
Is that what people say to you, so you just figure you'll parrot it back and it'll be an insult? Insecure about what you fucking retard? Pic related (it's you)

>>72819960
>Is that what people say to you, so you just figure you'll parrot it back and it'll be an insult?
>Pic related (it's you)
Keep playing Pokemon all day, eventually you'll be able to read some eroge

>>72819890
making small numbers get big + random number generator != game

imagine if you were playing chess, and after enough matches, you could put two queens down on the board, then three, then four

once you realize the simple distractive formula behind these titles, you'll stop regarding them as games

why not learn go instead?

>>72819960
>What game isn't linear you tweener?
any western-style rpg, you fucking dumb ass

except maybe tabletop games

>>72819890
>>72819920
The differences are deeper, but since I'm too lazy to explain:
bfy DOT tw/As0z

File: 1362564685449.jpg (74KB, 686x582px) Image search: [Google]

74KB, 686x582px

>>72819995
1. that's a terrible analogy
2. fuck go, chess is more fun and played by more people
3. that brings me back to 1, that's a terrible analogy

>>72820004
Again, they're literally the same thing as JRPGs, the only difference is the battle system and the aesthetics.

You fight monsters, get better armor and weapons, advance the story, and then you fight the final boss. All the while the battle system is real time action instead of turn-based goodness.

Except most modern JRPGs are also real-time action (like Final Fantasy).

>>72820015
Brazil, the king of the worst fucking players Earth can manufacture, weighs in. Great.

>>72819995
>>72820004
>>72819982
I'm not the original guy that asked, but really all of you are going to be this autistic about it? He just asked if anyone played them, and there's nothing wrong with playing JRPG's sure it may be linear and the gameplay isn't typically very deep but if it entertains him why the fuck does it matter? Japanese is still Japanese, if he wants to play theme he can.

>>72820062
>chess is more fun
iq 89 confirmed

File: 1370064347788.jpg (65KB, 467x325px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 467x325px

>>72820081
Anon, please. If you don't do things exactly the way these autists do things you're an autist just like them (somehow).

>>72820084
Dude... (pic related, it's you)

>>72820062
Disregard flag. The main difference between both, in a nutshell, is that WRPGs see narrative as just a medium for gameplay, while JRPGs see gameplay as just a medium for narrative.

So in a sense, both >>72819920 and >>72819890 are right: JRPGs are usually more linear, while WRPGs usually have a larger focus on combat and "make your character the way you want". However those are consequences of what I said above, not the reasons - non-linearity makes up for great replay value>gameplay, but it usually shits on the narrative, while having well-developed characters usually boost the narrative to the expense of customization>gameplay.

>>72820155
So you're saying WRPGs require less reading than JRPGs and therefore are less conducive to learning Japanese than JAPANESE ROLE PLAYING GAMES because they have LESS READING and you're arguing in favor of the autist???!!?!?

Fucking /djt/ man, you've fallen so far. I remember the days when doorknobs were scratched, when fucking memes meant something.

Nowadays it's just fake japs, russian dicksuckers, and brazilans just making shit up as they go along.


Going back to the original question:

Does anyone play JRPGs instead of porn games?

Currently playing Final Fantasy 9 (one of the best GAMES ever made)

>>72820210
>So you're saying WRPGs require less reading than JRPGs and therefore are less conducive to learning Japanese than JAPANESE ROLE PLAYING GAMES because they have LESS READING and you're arguing in favor of the autist???!!?!?
Please tell me you're trolling and that you misread my post that badly on purpose. Please.
I still want to have faith in humankind.

>>72820210
Congrats, you've just won the "worst post I've seen this year" award.

File: 1361867038510.jpg (32KB, 400x300px) Image search: [Google]

32KB, 400x300px

>>72820228
Please go. Just go.

Please.

DJT: /jp/ meets /v/ edition

>>72820210
You know you can have porn JRPGs, right? Like Rance games. Those are what I play.

File: FF8_Screenshot.png (197KB, 972x754px) Image search: [Google]

197KB, 972x754px

>>72820270
I'm not against that.

I did play Wild Arms as a young buck.

Do you play it in Japanese?

>>72820265
If you're >>72820248: relax, I just hopped in because they were talking about games in a way that makes sense in /int/ to talk about.
If you're >>72820210: look, I know how you feel being barely literate in English. Trust me - just like you, I'm also a native West Iberian speaker from some banana republic filled with niggers in Latin America where even a nignog like Lula or Mbongo Obama can be president, but please Paco, do an effort to at least understand the bare minimum of a text in your second language, okay?

File: 1408908570707.webm (1MB, 480x480px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 480x480px

>>72820266

File: ランス・クエスト_20170218_200512.jpg (243KB, 1024x768px) Image search: [Google]

243KB, 1024x768px

>>72820338
当たり前だろう
なんてことを聞くの

>>72820357
This post is exactly why everyone hates Brazil on the internet. You do realize that, right?

I mean, seriously. Did you even think before you went on about Iberian speakers and banana republics?

You're cute though. Keep trying to be accepted while typing BR?!?!?!?!?!?! in every game you play.

>>72820366
大丈夫、虫さん?

File: 1432830487653s.jpg (7KB, 250x173px) Image search: [Google]

7KB, 250x173px

Holy shit, I just wanted to know if anyone else played JRPGs...

When I ask legit questions I have about Japanese you nerdy fucks are silent as can be, but mention a style of game you don't like and all the sudden you're geniuses and know everything about games and what games to play.

You can't make it any more obvious you're virgins.

Do you play JRPGs yes or no? If not, ignore my post (like you do when I ask real questions about the language you pretend you know). If you do, then say yes and we can talk about it.

Why do you people have to be so fucking autistic?

File: 1408614135560.webm (2MB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1920x1080px

>>72820430
まぁ大丈夫だと思う
多分

File: A-U-T-I-S-M.gif (537KB, 480x270px) Image search: [Google]

537KB, 480x270px

>>72820454
>goes on autistic, off-topic tirade about RPGs
>I just wanted to know blah blah blah
>y-you guys are autistic

File: 1345983505331.gif (658KB, 280x212px) Image search: [Google]

658KB, 280x212px

>>72820474
そっか、良かった。

File: 1432865793751.jpg (33KB, 350x409px) Image search: [Google]

33KB, 350x409px

>>72820478
>I sit in this thread to counter anything people say
>You're autistic not me!! (but I won't say it in Japanese)

Should I explain it to >>72820398? Or leave it wondering why I didn't ask it a taco?

File: 1415657255603.jpg (169KB, 600x600px) Image search: [Google]

169KB, 600x600px

I'm using まるごとの本 to learn Japanese.

No bully おねがいします

File: 1436028324059.png (31KB, 213x214px) Image search: [Google]

31KB, 213x214px

>>72820606
Don't worry about getting any replies from Brazil or Russia.

You won't.

>>72820638
Get a trip

>>72820478
A bit worse than autism. It (yup) is unable to reason and think both on what humans say and what it does itself.

(I mean, I just called it a spic by proxy and it was unable to understand.)

>>72820210
The first game I played in Japanese was Dragon's Dogma, which in retrospect wasn't the best choice because frequent use of archaic (or at least courtly stiff, "medievaly") language makes it harder than it needs to be. I had already finished the game in English once before though, so not completely understanding all the Japanese didn't detract from the experience.

Next I thought I'd go more old-school, so the classic Chrono Trigger was an obvious choice. The language as such was much easier (and I was further along in my learning), but while the game was great fun, if a little easy (gameplay wise), I kind of missed having voice acting, which would've also sometimes helped in deciphering the low-res text (though that might have been caused by the emulator).

I'm currently on Toukiden 2, which looks very promising, though I'll probably stick mostly to the main story because only that has voiced dialogue.

Next up will be Tales of Rebirth (on emulated PS2) just because to get a kick out of playing something in Japanese that has no English localization.

I recommend trying some Japanese games for learning especially if you're like me and have a lot of time on your hands, but tire out quickly when reading novels. You might find that the mixture of reading and gameplay enables you to go on for hours and hours.

>>72820606
Are you using it as 紙の重量?

>>72820084
What rank are you at go? I assume you're at least dan level to make these kind of claims?

>>72820675
The Tales series is a good one. Although they're more of an ARPG style.

> but tire out quickly when reading novels

That's it exactly. It's hard to sit there and read for hours on end. Sometimes it's more fun to play around a little with some Japanese here and there in the form of menus and random dialogue with NPCs in between gameplay than to just read uninterrupted.

>>72820454
People like you start wars and never take the fall for it.

>>72820764
Kill yourself, man. You don't even know what you're talking about.

Is everyone on right now underage?

>>72820366
GET DOWN

I know for the katakana ー you write it vertically when writing vertically, do you do the same for 一 (いち)?

>>72823342
Yes

>>72823342
no

>>72823342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tsl7-TJtPew
It's complicated.

>>72823387
>>72823527
>>72823626
So is it something that depends on the context or something I just shouldn't worry about either way?

>>72823893
Indeed