Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1793

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Gib japanese boipussy pls

>>70057564
shitposting jp thread is here >>70039975

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>>70057493
xth for ヒッキー生活

Give me your Japanese music playlists for studying with Anki

>>70058402
https://soundcloud.com/demolition_d/sets/rock-out-dude

How to go from nothing to N1 in one year?
>five year animu watching
>tae kim
>chink

>>70059748
By reading the guide. also, 出来ない

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Could someone please tell me how to translate the very last line of text on this page.

It's some kind of name pun that I'm not able to understand.

>>70059976
If you google おこリーリエ you will find some links about it. Apparently the original form was がんばリーリエ. In this case おこ presumably is 怒る or angry. So basically she is saying she is angry.

>>70060302
Okay, I see. Thank you.
So, you think "You're making me reLillie angry." might be acceptable?

>>70060371
I guess. It kind of loses the cuteness of the Japanese version though. Well, it's a judgment call. Translation is hard.

>>70060751
>It kind of loses the cuteness of the Japanese version though
I agree. But I really can't think of any other way to do it.

How easily can you guys understand written Chinese? For those that know Kanji, I assume you can at the very least get the gist of a sentence?

谢谢。

>/jp/ Collector's Edition
Dude.

>>70061140
Not much at all. Particularly since the majority of characters used in Chinese aren't used in Japanese. (Not to mention the simplified characters look so different.) I have sometimes heard Chinese people claim they can understand Japanese just because they recognize the kanji. I think they are greatly overestimating their own comprehension.

If I had to make an analogy, it would be like saying you could understand Latin if you know English (or vice versa), since so many English words have Latin roots.

anyone learning another language alongside japanese?

>>70061525
>Not much at all. Particularly since the majority of characters used in Chinese aren't used in Japanese. (Not to mention the simplified characters look so different.)
Good point. I wasn't sure, but figured this would have been the case. Thanks for the response.

>>70061140
After learning a few things like の = 的, 我 = me, 你 = you, etc. I can often get the gist of stuff. I occasionally browse Chinese sites to get pirated stuff and usually can get around just fine.

>>70061732
Italian.

Hey, new here.

Something that's been bother me is why some lyrics to a song drop the w in 私 (atashi), and some songs add w to 愛 (wai). It's been bother me for a while now and I haven't the slightest idea as to why.

>>70062156
I can't say I've heard the wai thing you mentioned, but あたし is a valid reading. It's used by women (女言葉).

>>70062234
I'm a big fan of H!P groups, and in one song by Morning Musume, 愛の軍団, it is sung as "wai no gundan". I thought I misheard it, but reading their lips, it's very clear they're pronouncing wa-i.

At least the あたし thing is cleared up a bit.

>>70062156
「あたし」 is kind of Edo dialect.
It's casual language.
Because, in the first place, 私 of male's word is only polite language, it is not only women's word.

>>70059907
thanks anon.

Btw, what are everyone's study goal?

Are you satisfied with some anki achievement or would you go after jlpt?

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>>70062352
I listened to the song on Youtube, and yeah, for whatever reason it does indeed sound like that. There's even a comment there that points out it sounds like Y. I couldn't tell you why it's like that, but in any case, it's not something you'll hear often I'm pretty sure. At the very least it's the first time I hear that.

Japanese English speaker's evaluation criteria is thoughtless really.

>培う
my tongue, the betrayer

>>70062491
Ahh, I see. Thank you!

>>70062650
It isn't something too important to me, I'd just like to understand why it's pronounced like that. Language and dialects intrigued me. Knowing as much as I could about a language is one of my goals. Thank you though!

>>70060371
You could drop the "re" and just go with "lillie angry", it'll sound even more natural.

>>70062537
I would go after jlpt. However, I would also like to practice and improve my production, since jlpt only tests comprehention

>>70061140
>谢谢
Apologies?
That's the simplified form of the hanzi 謝, as in 謝る, which means "to apologize"

>>70063516
It also has the meaning of thanks, which is the case here. 感謝, 謝意.

>>70062234
>I can't say I've heard the wai thing you mentioned
The ateji 可愛い uses the "Wai" reading. I don't know to what degree it's considered a valid way to pronounce it, though

>>70063581
ん、そうか
教えてくれてありがとう、ノルウェーさん

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>tfw Kikuhime will never be my oyabin

>>70061140
Could you understand Japanese texts just knowing the kanji meanings and no grammar or words?

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カール・マルクスいわ曰く「あらゆるしゃかい社会のれきし歴史はかいきゅうとうそう階級闘争のれきし歴史である」だそうです。

>>70065201
どしたんだか?どして変な書いた?

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>>70064819

I met a 17 yr old American kid living in Japan with his parents and going to school there. He was obsessed with RTK and had memorised all the mnemonics. He knew the meanings of all the kanji, but couldn't read the on or kun readings.

He could point out each individual kanji, but he didn't know the meanings of compound kanji. He got the gist of things, there was just a wide gap in knowing what kind of words multiple kanji compounds were forming.

Can you understand Japanese texts? I doubt it. Can you 'read' manga? Probably.

>>70065201
かしこ畏まりました

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>>70065332
何ですか?
この作文はJisho.orgから来ました。
どうぞ、http://jisho.org/sentences/518663d4d5dda7e981000b0e。

>>70065422
カールマルクスが好きですか?
彼は偉いね。

>>70065526
ああ、そうか。
ふりがなも書いたから、変な作文みたいだった。

>>70065556
さあ
カール・マルクスのことは詳しくない

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This is a fun game.

You should play it.

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So I've been wanting to keep track of all the words I have learned so far in an easy to access and update format (aka alphabetized in a table for each word with the English meaning, hiragana spelling, and kanji if one exists) so I was thinking of using either word or excel.

Does anyone have a better idea of a way to track your own personal vocabulary of words?

>>70066309
>Does anyone have a better idea of a way to track your own personal vocabulary of words?
my brain lol

>>70066309
1. How do you decide whether you 'know' a word or not? If you see it once do you 'know' it?

2. Just do anki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Z2O9Nwt6c
Guys, I'm worried. I just saw this video and I already paid 500 dollars I will be getting back to apply to a study abroad program in Osaka Japan. It's for six weeks on college campus. A-Am I screwed?! Will I have a shit time?! I have good work ethic, I promise that! I have an above 3.0 gpa and do all my homework assignments and study. But what if my time is terrible?!

>>70067223
If you have a terrible time, it is not too late to switch over to learning Chinese.

what is your favorite kanji? mine is 法

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>>70067287
峠

>>70067345
山+上+下=mountain ridge?

>>70067287
卵

>>70067260
Well, I'm going to go through with it. I already basically invested too much time and money. And one I do it I'll have all four semester of language and my prerequisite international stuff done so I won't need to any more language stuff. Besides, if I learn anything else I'll probably go with easier language like Spanish, French, or German and Russian.

>>70067223
The video you posted seems to be about working in Japan. You are planning to study there for a short time. The situations are quite different.

However, it is good to go in with realistic expectations. Like the guy in the video said, many people think that Japan is some kind of paradise on earth, and they suffer severe culture shock when they realize it's just another country. With good parts and bad parts.

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みんなさんおやすみなさい : )

今、寝に行きます。

help I missed anki for a couple of days and I'm scared to look
is it terminal

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>>70068703

>>70067287
困

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>>70066309
There is a program called WeSay for creating dictionaries.
It's geared towards preserving dying languages, but nothing prevents you from using it to make a personal dictionary of your wapanese vocabulary.

I haven't really explored it yet, my main intention is conlanging, but you might want to give it a try!

I for one don't intend keeping track of my vocabulary like that, but I will probably buy a notebook to manually write every kanji I learn along with a few vocabulary examples and semantic meanings, making my very own grimoire.

>>70066309
Anki, really

If you want to get it into spreadsheet format from anki it's easy enough anyway

>姉さん、ごめんね
A-anki, what did you do to 姉さん?

>>70068987
>>70066595
Dont want to sound like a noob asking, but does anyone have a preference on which deck to use starting out between the 2k/6k and kanji damage decks?

>>70069185
Core 6k with shitty kanji mnemonics and a $300 price tag

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Adjectival Nouns #11: Predicative Phrases

このプログラムは最悪のようだ。・このぷろぐらむはさいあくのようだ。・This program appears to be the worst.

彼女は独身のはずです。・かのじょはどくしんのはずです。・I'm sure she is single now.

最悪・サイアク・the worst, is made up of 最・サイ・extreme/most and 悪・アク・bad/evil. 最 is a phono-semantic (sound-meaning) compound of 曰・エツ・say and 取・シュ・take/fetch. Don't confuse 日・ニチ day with 曰, but this illustrates how certain kanji radicals can become distorted due to resolution/simplification. 取 is simply 耳・みみ・ear and 又・また・again (right hand radical), its a pictogram of someone placing their right hand by their ear and going 'You want me to fetch what now?'. You can add the 曰 radical to the top of 取 to show shouting into someones ear while they cup their hands to increase the sound, because they are hard of hearing - an extreme increase in volume. 悪 is made up of 亜・つぐ・rank and 心・こころ・heart, 亜 is a Japanese kanji which was changed from 亞 which originally meant four corners of a house. In middle Chinese however, 亞 also had the meaning of ugly which was represented in 惡 bad. You can think of 悪 as 'ugly heart'. Together 最 and 悪 create an extremely ugly heart, or the worst thing ever.

最悪・サイアク・the worst

このプログラムは・this program (television) subject・最悪のようだ。the worst appears to be.

Cont'd.

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彼女・かのじょ・she/her/girlfriend is made up of 彼・かれ・ヒ・he, that, the and 女・おんあ・じょ・woman. 彼 is a phono-semantic compound made up of 彳stepping with the left foot and 皮 a hand stripping fur from an animal pelt. The meaning of this kanji is comes from a 人・じん・man with a mark above him, pointing him out 彳. The 皮, from the Chinese Min Nan was pronounced as pî, from which the ヒ reading of 彼 evolved - adding the phonetic component. 女・おんあ・woman is simply a pictogram of a woman crossing her legs. So 彼 he, that person 女 female. Remember that かのじょ is a Japanese word, so you don't use the on readings.

独身・ドクシン・single/unmarried is made up of 独・ドク・single/alone and 身・シン・person/station (in life). 独 is made up of 犭a dog and 虫 a snake, but Japanese now use 虫・むし for insects. The story here is that dogs are pack animals and snakes are (small) predators that are difficult to kill alone. A dog doesn't want to be 独 alone when facing a snake. 身 is a pictogram of a pregnant woman, but meanings include oneself, body and social status. In the sense of 独身, 身 refers to social status and 独 the state of being single, to mean the social status of being single - bachelor.

彼女は・She・独身のはずです。single (I'm) sure is.

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You can think of this の as a adjective modifier for regular nouns. In English, 'single' is a noun and an adjective. In the above example it isn't really clear why の is being used, however look at the following re-translation of the example:

彼女は・She・独身のはずです。singleness (I'm) sure is. (Singleness is the state of being single - a noun)

Now, that doesn't make sense in English because English doesn't have adjectival nouns. We are, however in English, able to use nouns as adjectives, without marking them as such, i.e. 'History Teacher'. This is where English translation fails to properly explain Japanese grammar because of the different structures used in each language.

Here is a re-translation of the previous example:

最悪 is a different story because it actually is a な-adjective.

So in short, use な for real adjectives and の for real nouns.

That is it for today, tune in tomorrow for another lesson.

>>70069017
>兄さん、おめでとう。
His siblings were probably competing and oniichan won over oneechan.

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>>70057493
>touhou
Have you learned nothing?
Must I BEAT some sense into you?

>>70072583
あってるよね?

ぶんぽうてきには

>>70072698
そう
先生が厳しいみたいだね

>>70072768
もっとひねって

>いいえチャパティです

だったらツっこんでもらえたのかもしれない

>>70072898
なるほどねぇ
意地悪やのぅ~

>>70072990
インド人の留学生が

あんまナンたべねーよって言ってたから

にほんでいうところの寿司みたいなもんなんだろう

外国のほうで有名だけど、日本ではあんまり食べない系の食べ物

DJT

>>>/pol/107644928

why is pol telling me the n1 is useless? i shill these DJT Threads every day for you guys and this is what i get

Booted up はなひらっ! and got through the morning conversation without any problems. But once they went outside the casual patterns killed my brain. Anything easier than this or should I just force myself through this?

>>70076334
Where does it say that? From what I understand he's saying that N1 is necessary, not useless.

>>70076379
its not the OP

its the people responding to OP with the jap flags

>>70076334
You won't be able to get a job unless you have AT LEAST a N2.

someone in another thread said that if you follow tae kim you'll learn non-standard japanese, is it true?
we use genki 1 at my school but i've used guidetojapanese as a reference a couple of times

>>70076334
>>70076673
Well to be fair, it does depend on the nature of the job as well as the employing company.

>>70076673
This is false. You can get a job with no JLPT and a bachelors degree. Teaching English...

>>70076721
>>70076739

Yeah if they just need a baka gaijin to play dancing monkey.


Anyway you need a bachelors degree as well. Or 10 years of experience.
Which means I wont be able to anyway.

>>70076739
i read recently that if english is not your first language there's no way you can be an english teacher in japan anymore
you'll most likely also need some experience and/or education as a teacher

>>70076808
Yeah I think they always strongly preferred people from places like Australia, USA, UK, etc for that reason.

It is probably dependent on the company though

>>70076831
>Yeah I think they always strongly preferred people from places like Australia, USA, UK, etc for that reason.
That's more or less it. Companies generally want native English speakers teaching English, even if they aren't really doing anything a non-native English speaker couldn't do.
There is also a bias with their immigration system, wherein certain countries are favoured over others in terms of ease of getting people in. For example, it is harder for an American to get through the immigration process in order to stay on a work visa than it is an Australian. Bureaucracy shit.

>>70062805
> why it's pronounced like that.
You don't have to mind it, and I know it is because Tsunku who made this song made them sing so like 「たりんろめらんて」 instead of 「他人の目なんて」 in other part. It is a special case.

.

>>70078200
>It is a special case.
A speech impediment?

今日、スエーデンはとても寒いですよ。今は摂氏ー15度です。
Does this sound correct to you guys? How do I properly say that it's negative celsius?

>>70078308
Well, no.
That is the case how singers express the song of them in each unique way and I think there are some singers who do it as well you know.
Unfortunately, it is not good to practice Japanese pronunciation though.

>>70078692
マイナスx度
Also you don't need to specify celsius

>>70078842
Alright. Is it more common to write マイナス or is it OK to just do a minus (-) sign?

>>70078944
Minus sign is probably fine but at least use the mins symbol from a japanese monospace font, like -(You can get it by typing マイナス into the IME then pressing space a few times)

>>70079427
Looks like 4chan fucks up the minus sign but if you type it like I said it should be a monospaced symbol normally.

>>70079427
Thank you. I only used the long one because I couldn't find how to type the correct sign.

>>70062805
For example, is this?

http://thisplaylist.com/song/play-mp3/aaaaaa-minnanouta-606914.html
(volume warning)

wai wo tomenaide

This is that singer's peculiar vocalization.

>>70067287
亀
かめ、it's the kanji for turtle
there was one font that it looked great in but i can't remember which one
i'm using meiryo everywhere now

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>tfw when getting back to japanese and already forgot some of the grammar
And I just finished, is there any anki deck that can help me?

>>70081554
Roshi fanboy?

>>70082374
had to google roshi to understand what you mean't
nope, i've only read dragonball in swedish and he was known as kamesennin there

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カンナはすごく可愛い

>>70061732
Korean.

The sounds make my jaw hurt.

I feel comfortable with Hiragana now. Should I head straight to katakana or learn more words?

>>70082867
Both at the same time

>>70082958
That's genius, thanks you

>>70082867
you can do both
but keep studying katakana until you're perfect at it as well
i kind of skimmed katakana at first because i was being hasty, had to go back and redo it
you'll thank yourself for it later

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Anki 75/950 reviews done.

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is there a list of words/grammar i would need to know before trying to read yotsuba or dragon ball? i see those being recommended to beginners a lot
i want to get into reading as soon as possible, it's kind of frustrating with genki because the example texts/convos are so short, i want to read longer stories

>>70083115
Read the guide.

>>70083115
Pretty much whatever you read you will encounter many words and grammar you don't know when you're a beginner. Trying to list all of them before going into it is a futile effort. Just take each sentence as they come and search online or ask here if there are parts you don't understand.

If you want to have any fun doing it you should probably know at least like 1000 words and basic grammar (all of tae kim or genki 1+2)

>>70083381
alright, makes sense
thank you johansen

>>70083448
Very close, my mother last name is Johansen but I was named after my father

>>70083378
すみません先生
>>70083496
nice, yeah isn't johansen the most common last name in norway? i see many norwegians with that name

A Japanese mate sent me this video for lulz because apparently it's an internet celebrity or something but he won't tell me who the fuck he is.

So who is he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFr4StoaYus

>>70083564
I think it's second most common, number 1 is Hansen

Should I be using Imabi or Tae Kim?

Tae Kim seems overly simplified

>>70084067
Tae Kim is supposed to be simple because it's more of a survey introduction. You do Tae Kim so you can start reading earlier and have a basis to understand more in depth explanations, and then you start the Dictionary of Japanese grammar series.

>>70083648
it's shinzo abe

>>70084067
>Tae Kim seems overly simplified
Don't worry, it's still hard enough.

>>70084172
oke
Is there a premade Anki deck for memorizing conjugations?

>>70084172
I always thought it was better to look over grammar you're not familiar with when starting reading, or is it still necessary to read each entry?
>>70084657
I think Tae Kim's anki deck for grammar has conjugations IIRC.

>>70087571
I think it's pretty important to download the DoJG anki deck or go through the books/webpage. There are a lot of topics that Tae Kim doesn't cover, and a lot of detail that he leaves out that the DoJG fills in. You'll get a much better understanding and have an easier time reading if you go through the DoJG deck.

You should start reading right after you finish Tae Kim, but the DoJG is still important to read through.

i'm studying radicals and it's bugging me that a lot of kanji seem to be made up of radicals that are "ignored" in a dictionary. For example, 里 looks like 田 on top of 土 but it's actually just an indivisible radical. I still think of it as made up of those two to help me remember it; is this a bad idea?

>>70087728
Yeah my current plan was to finish Core2k alongside Tae Kim then jump into reading. I guess I'll go through DoJG after that as well.

Does the deck in Anki cover the same material as in the textbook, or is it just supplementary?

>>70088112
Don't think to hard about it.
Unless you want to become some linguists who studies the origins of East Asian languages it's not important.

Just go ever them once or twice, no need to spend any time studying them.
So you get the general idea of them, maybe write all of them down a few times.


>>70088243
>then jump into reading
You should start reading as soon as you finished Tae Kim. It will be suffering and take ages. But it's more useful than mindlessly grinding cards.

I read at least an article a day from http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/
If I have more time I try to read some manga as well.

>>70088243
The DoJG Anki deck is the exact same as the books but transcribed onto Anki cards as far as I'm aware. The order for the deck is different though, it's probably a better structure to follow since the dictionary is just an alphabetical listing of grammar topics.

>>70088407
gotcha. I find they ultra helpful to remember more complex kanji though. That's why I'm kinda stressing over it. But I should use them as sort of flexible guidelines then. Danke

indeed. Sometimes it's easier to remember a kanji as "the one with that radical" rather than "this kanji has squiggly lines like this"

But that's as far as their usefulness goes, most of the time you can't get any hints on the meaning or pronunciation from them.

Does anyone know what the japs call negative form of their verbs? how about 否定的?

>>70089132
Close. its 否定形 I think

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>>70089132
ない形 I think

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>>70089453
Never mind, >>70089437 was the more general term it seems.

>>70088112
Generally the biggest radical or familiar pattern you can find in any given kanji is the most useful. It's mainly a matter of having less to remember, but some patterns also affect the meaning or sound of a kanji so it's useful to pay attention to those

>>70089132
I think technically speaking, in Japanese ない (打ち消し) is considered a helper adjective (形容詞型の助動詞) and it attaches to the -a stem of the noun (未然形). But don't hold me to it. Personally I don't normally use the Japanese grammar terms since they are confusing.

>>70089735
> -a stem of the noun (未然形)
meant verb obviously

>>70089647
>mainly a matter of having less to remember
That's my main concern. I learn the easiest when it's through associations and made up stories; kanji that don't have any obvious pattern or radicals are a tough to learn for me.

できない
たすけて、おにいちゃん

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>>70089437
>>70089453
>>70089735
thanks senpaitachi, I'm trying to write a verb form template

It takes me two hours to learn 20 new cards a day. How do I stop being retarded? I read shitloads

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>>70088112

A radical is a single pictographic (picture), ideographic (idea), phonetic (sound) or semantic (meaning) component.

里・さと is actually made up of 田 and 土, but it is also its own radical. It depends how far back the etymology tree you go. In the case of 里, ancient villages were defined by their 田 farmland and 土 resources. The 土 potter's clay here represents the ability to create pottery, which was an important manufactured good in ancient China.

里 inherits its phonetic meaning from the Chinese lí, which in Japanese is リ. That is the main reason Japanese dictionaries list it as a single radical, because it acts as a phonetic radical in other compounds.

It is a very good idea to be familiar with all the pictographic and ideographic radicals. From pictograms and ideograms you can divine the semantics of many kanji, though the phonetics need to be memorised. A good example is 独・どく・single/alone - the lonely dog fighting a snake. Dogs hunt in packs so it is uncommon to see a single dog try and fight a snake, hence the meaning of this kanji developed.

>>70088407

I disagree. Studying the etymology of kanji radicals will give a student a much deeper grasp of kanji, allowing them to learn more kanji in a shorter amount of time with better retention.

>>70088768

As explained above, some semantics can be divined if you have enough background knowledge on how the ancient Chinese thought up their characters.

The only real difficulty is pronunciation, as the verbal language developed before the written one, Hanzi/Kanji are based on an even more ancient spoken language. This is the one area where spaced repetition is required.

>>70092164
Literally how

>>70092200
>beginner acting like he knows the optimal way to learn Japanese
do you think we haven't seen this hundreds of times before?

You guys are understand japanese language more than me.

>I disagree. Studying the etymology of kanji radicals will give a student a much deeper grasp of kanji, allowing them to learn more kanji in a shorter amount of time with better retention.
>Learning more advanced shit helps the basic shit
Hard to disagree, but the amount of shit someone has to know to read even basic shit is much higher when learning Japanese than pretty much any other language.

If you only have one hour a day to study jap, there are better things you can do when you can hardly read yotsuba.

>>70092355
イェス、マイジャパニーズイズオーレディベリアドバンセッド、アイフィールライクアイケンスピーックイトウィツノトラブルスエットオール!

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>>70092426

I don't disagree with this. Learning kanji through etymology takes more time and the progress 'feels' slower because the student is experiencing less Japanese content.

The biggest issue with any language is retention. I studied French intensively in middle school, but 20 years later, can't carry a conversation anymore.

Deep learning, which I advocate, keeps connections for a longer period of time. Takes longer to learn, stays in your brain longer. If you need Japanese survival phrases for a holiday in Japan, this is not the way to do it. However, if you want to become truly fluent in Japanese and plan to use it for the rest of your life, deep learning is the optimal way.

>>70092306

I've been studying Japanese for 10 years, but its patchy. I travel to Japan every year and lived there for a year back in 2010 before the tsunami. I study martial arts so I have a good understanding of older Japanese and 武道 specific kanji and language.

I've tried every method to learn and re-learn Japanese, brute force, rote, writing, RTK, anki, lessons, classes and so on. I know them all and I know which work and which don't, and how some can fail down the line.

Your anki drills are going to fail, unless its part of a more systematic learning scheme.

@70093136
>trip
>long ass post
Shan't be reading a single pixel of that

Question:
カレーを食べようと思ったけど、食べる時間がなかった。
I'm going through Tae Kim's guide and was a bit confused by the second part of this. Wouldn't 食べる and 時間 be reversed considering sentence order, or is 時間 acting as a generic noun to form a noun clause?

>>70093136
You would be less obnoxious if you didn't post anime pics all the time and constantly link to your blog

japan

>>70067287
秘

>>70093312
I know a mentally ill kid who draws shit like that all the time

>>70093249
Jikan (wo) taberu would be literally eating time itself.
The inversion makes the verb the final part of the sentence that describes the noun.

For instance, if we had something like

人を食べる時間

Everything before the verb, plus the verb, form a description (eating people) that will specify what kind of 時間 it is.

Does that helps?

>>70067287
Unironically 卍
though I prefer the reverse one, but it doesn't show in my IME

卍LINE and 少林寺拳法 for life innit bruv

>>70093136
Do you have any material that you'd recommend for learning Kanji etymology? I'm very interested in etymology in general, and do intend on reading material that I've found in Japanese about the etymology of various aspects of the language once I'm more able, but I'm interested in how you learned what you know.

>>70093431
Hell seger

>>70093413
So it's just acting as a verb clause to modify 時間?

>>70093613
Yes.

>>70093136
So you failed at learning Japanese for 10 years and are trying to tell people who are better at you that they will fail if they don't do it your way? Holy shit dude just think a little. There are many ways to learn. Maybe you're too fucking stupid to learn any way except how you're doing now, but don't project your stupidity onto everyone else.

>>70092164
Quit writing down the kanji and, instead, try to remember their radicals and stroke order and "write" them only in your mind without looking at the screen when you hear the word for the second time

>>70093136
>I've been studying Japanese for 10 years, but its patchy. I travel to Japan every year and lived there for a year back in 2010 before the tsunami. I study martial arts so I have a good understanding of older Japanese and 武道 specific kanji and language.
please
>I've tried every method to learn and re-learn Japanese, brute force, rote, writing, RTK, anki, lessons, classes and so on. I know them all and I know which work and which don't, and how some can fail down the line.
>Your anki drills are going to fail, unless its part of a more systematic learning scheme.
Fuck off, my man. No one's asking for your help or your condescending advice.

>>70092164
you're not alone. It takes me 2 hours to learn 10 cards so I'm getting a bit worried. Perhaps I'm concentrating way too much on strokes

>>70092200
Thanks a lot for the great feedback m9
It gets easier for me when I get the chance to go into the character's etymology.
Where did you find all that about 里? rikaikun and jisho don't list 田 and 土 as its radicals.

>>70094491
If you're doing writing you really should just use mnemonics. Don't practice writing while doing Core.

When doing Core your coal is basically just to quickly acquaint yourself with the first 2-4k words so you can start reading.

>>70094732
>Where did you find all that about 里? rikaikun and jisho don't list 田 and 土 as its radicals.
He literally copy-pastes all that stuff from Wikipedia/Wiktionary.

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>>70093263

> posting anime on an anime image board
> absolutely halal

I think you came to the wrong neighborhood friend.

>>70093537

There is a department at Tokyo University that does Kanji research. They have been publishing a series of books for a few decades now, which are quite good.

http://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/University-of-Tokyo-Kanji-Research-Group/485485126

I'm not sure if they have a homepage. Most of the stuff I have from them is published.

Richard Sears has been doing decades of Chinese Etymology research and his website is a good source for double checking Japanese kanji.

http://www.chineseetymology.org/CharacterEtymology.aspx?characterInput=%E8%BB%8A&submitButton1=Etymology

Stuff like Shuowen Jiezi and the I Ching can also help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuowen_Jiezi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching

My only advice is don't fall down the rabbit hole too far, there is a point where the etymology no longer helps your study of Japanese.

>>70094056

Make no mistake, I can read, write and speak Japanese. I use these lessons to reinforce my own learning and fill in any gaps.

My greatest issue is being self-taught without a proper curriculum. There is a lot of stuff I don't know because I just missed it, or never needed it. These lessons are a structured system from zero to full fluency, in the most efficient way possible.

>>70095093
本当なら証明しろ
次のレッスンを日本語で書け

>>70095093
Cool how many visual novels have you read then?
How many paper novels?

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>>70094732

My first source is Jisho.org, then as >>70094843 pointed out I got to wiktionary (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%87%8C), depending if my own knowledge clicks with wiktionary or not I go to either Richard Sears website (http://www.chineseetymology.org/CharacterEtymology.aspx?submitButton1=Etymology&characterInput=%E9%87%8C) or http://www.genetickanji.com/.

If I still can't find a good answer I go to my reference texts (those books I mention from Tokyo U Kanji research) or the online version of Shuowen Jiezi (http://ctext.org/shuo-wen-jie-zi) when I'm really stumped.

You need to remember its not an exact science, Hanzi are ancient. Shuowen is from 200 AD. Ancient Hanzi first appeared in 2000 BC. That's more than 2000 years of development and change.

Although technology didn't change as rapidly between 2000 BC and 1 AD, as 1 AD to 2000 AD, some ancient meanings of hanzi are hard to pin down. There are more than 60k hanzi with variations, many obsolete and some with corrupted meanings. Even some hanzi taking on double meanings or getting confused with each other over time.

As I said, a rabbit hole.

>>70095093
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

Started using TK's guide recently, and just wanted to make sure I got this correct before moving on.

アリスは野菜が好きだ。
アリスは肉が好きじゃない。
These two sentences make sense to me, I just wanted to know how to put them together to say that "Alice likes vegetables, but does not like meat" specifically using the word "but"

アリスは野菜が好きだでも肉が好きじゃない。

Would this be right? Or am I getting ahead of myself here? The main thing I'm not sure about is if the だ is necessary, though I'm sure there are other problems with it.

魑魅魍魎 これ読める?
can you read this?

>>70095716
アリスは野菜が好きで、肉は好きじゃない。
contrastive は in the second half

That said,
>Or am I getting ahead of myself here?
Yes. You worry about understanding what is given to you for now. Until you've done a few hundred hours of reading pretty much anything you type longer than basic phrases is guaranteed to be wrong.

>>70095753
It's pretty much a meme word so yeah.

I had to type it out myself to make sure you weren't playing a trick and switching the first/last kanji though.

Can you read this: 上達部?

>>70095811
Thanks, I'll just move on then.

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>>70095263

To be honest, I don't know nearly as many Japanese words as I do English words. My English is very eloquent and exact. I'm a walking English thesaurus. I still need a dictionary to look up Japanese synonyms and I don't understand the nuances of Japanese words so well.

Writing my lessons in Japanese wouldn't be half as good as in English and it would take me twice the amount of time. And finally, my primary audience wouldn't be able to read it.

>>70095385

In my life?

I don't read VNs. I've read probably less than a 100 manga and a half dozen fiction books.

I read mostly articles and web material.

>>70095862
>I didn't actually mean to put the は there.
I don't know what you mean.

But anyway でも should pretty much only be used at the beginning of a sentence like "However," instead of "but" (inb4 people bring up other uses of でも)
けど・だけど is normal for mid sentence "but"

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>>70095626

I was posting anonymously and I intended to keep doing so, but I was asked specifically to use the trip.

If I'm being asked specifically to stop doing so, I will stop.

>>70095884
>Can you read this: 上達部?
かんだちめ

>>70096187
さすが日本人
古文に詳しいんですね

>>70096138
I'm going to propose something slightly different: Use it when posting your lessons so we can filter you. Don't use it when making normal posts about unrelated shit.

>>70096301

Okay, I will do that.

>>70096039
まだ証明してないよ
レッスンしたくないならせめて返事を日本語にしろ

>>70095753
「魑魅」の部分だけ読めた
そりゃ過去、Steamで俺のプロフィール名だったからね

>>70096972

うん、わかた。

>>70095753
Yeah. 化物語さまさま

>>70096301
ありがとう!
あなたは日本語がとても上手ですね
>>70096986
魑魅魍魎は"ちみもうりょう"と読みます。
魑魅は"ちみ"と"すだま"、2つの呼び方がありますね。
私は魑魅を読めただけでもすごいと思います。

>>70093249
It is too difficult question to understand for me...
食べる人・・・人が食べる
食べるカレー・・・カレーを食べる
食べる時間・・・(その)時間に食べる
Is this what you mean?

>study for a few months
>finish Tae Kim and 550 cards in 6k
>take a random online jlpt 5 test for fun
>can hardly understand anything
j-japanese really is hard

>>70101572
you weren't really studying for the jlpt specifically

>>70101680
it's still depressing

>>70101572
550 words is an extremely small amount, it'd be hard to read much of anything without a dictionary. Don't get discouraged by that, bump up your new word/day limit in Anki for a bit if you want faster progress, just keep in mind that reviews increase as new words increase.

>>70101572
>few months
>550 cards
I'll be generous and assume 3 months. That means 6 cards per day.

Get your shit together.

>can remember vocab just fine because I'm good at mnemonics and memorized all the radicals
>Keep forgetting grammar

Send help

>>70102134
>>70101835
I just checked and it's 664 and only 2 months if that makes a difference. I've been trying to consistently do 20/cards a day but only had success with it during the winter break unfortunately.

>>70102339
Once you have the hang of it you should be able to manage 20 cards a day in under an hour per session. Can't you even spare 1 hour a day? Can't you even afford to lose a single hour of sleep?

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>>70102339
I have a winter class that's 2.5 hours per day with 2 10 minute breaks each hour. I do...
>3 cards before class
>3 cards during the first break
>3 cards during the second break
>3 cards after class on my way back to my car
That's already more than you do per day in just under 3 hours.

You can find time.

Are Ohto common in Japan?
What do Japanese write with? BiC?

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What does 「Person」がパンしちゃう mean? I know it doesn't literally mean "puncture" (or anything physical) here based on context (they are making jokes/comments about someone), and that it is some sort of slang.

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hey guise i have few questions


What do you think about today japan's politic? Dynamic or constant/passive?

Is japan in politic stagnation?

What do you think about shinzo abe? Is he a nationalist?

Can you tell me any good achievment of shinzo abe until now?

Special question for japanese poster
Do you care about your own country (japan) politic?

thx

>>70102572
>60, 180
Enjoy waiting 3 hours if you mess up on a learning step.

>>70102677
wrong thread, this is the japanese learning thread.

>>70096138
>I was posting anonymously and I intended to keep doing so, but I was asked specifically to use the trip.
If we ask you to stop then that means you will too?

>>70104923
The point is that trips are easy to filter, if you don't want to see his posts you can just do that instead of filling the thread with "fuck off" posts.

>>70102670
I think some stationery freaks use Ohto. Most people use ballpoint pens that cost 100 to 200 yen.

>>70057493
Weimu

>>70105571
>ballpoint pens
Not mechanical pencils?

>>70091229
The data from this deck may be of some use:
https://mega.nz/#!fJ8yzCAL!5WFJocODPWNWyB1BvuF0F89NLdai4pLl56tE9snJ6BY

>>70105731
Pencils are messy as fuck. I don't see why they would use them exclusively

>>70093136
>I've been studying Japanese for 10 years
So write out your posts both in English and Japanese. Let's see how good your Japanese really is.

>>70093136
w-wait is anki bad?

>>70105172
You should be encouraging others to tell him to fuck off because he should fuck off.

>>70105894
It's an incredibly efficient tool for revision.

>>70102672
What if they just mean pun?

>>70102142

You are watching me, I am watching you

魅力的すぎたかしら!

Why is the negative form of 知る 知らない? Isn't it a ru-verb?

>>70102572

I WANDERED ALONE IN THE RAIN

OH ONCE UPON A TIME...

IT WAS SO COLD TIL YOU CAME AND MADE IT SO FINE!

AND BABY, BABY, YOU, YOU CHANGED MY LIFE, OH BABE.

CAN YOU FEEL IT TOO?

GETTING BETTER EVERYDAY!

EVERYDAY I FALL IN LOVE, IN LOVE AGAIN WITH YOU!

EVERYDAY YOU FILL ME UP WITH DREAMS YOU MAKE COME TRUE!

>>70106187
No.

>>70106199
Why not?

>>70106225

ちょっと待って...

>>70106225
Because.

>>70106006
but not learning?

I've been using anki to learn all my vocab

>>70106061
Sorry, I meant パンク, not パン

Anyone know now?

>>70106225

私たちは機械ではありません。死ぬ。

>>70106225
I'd just like to interject for moment.

>>70106225
Because that is how it is. Not all verbs that end in (e/i)る are るverbs.

>>70106225
>帰る
帰らない
>切る
切らない
>変わる
変わらない
>剃る
剃らない

>>70105894
Anki is literally a tool to take advantage of the pareto principle. It's the most efficient way to remember pretty much everything - the only thing that holds it back is the quality of the decks themselves.

And also, of course, tons of extensive study is needed in addition to just memorization.

>>70106225
because 知る sounds like to get the information of sth, not to be aware of/have the information? the latter is 知っている I guess

>>70106260
There's no fucking difference when it comes to simple shit like vocab, and anki doesn't work well for reviewing OR learning complicated things.

>>70106384
>And also, of course, tons of extensive study is needed in addition to just memorization.
What kind of studying? The guide mentions nothing of this besides Tae Kim.

>>70106511
Watching anime

>>70106511
I assume he means reading, tons of reading study to properly understand words in context. And J-J dictionaries help a lot

>>70106264
Can you post the actual text prior to and following that one, singular phrase?

どうして日本語を習うことが出来ない?

>>70108460
あんたがバカ外人だから。

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>>70108560

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>>70105894

As >>70106006 said, its an incredibly efficient REVISION tool. That means it is good for revising what HAS been learned already.

The issue is many people approach Anki like a learning tool, which it is not.

That means doing Anki in isolation will give you poor results, which >>70101572 found out the hard way.

It will surprise you to find out that your average Japanese person will have a BETTER English vocabulary than your average native English speaker. The Japanese education system drills English like Anki, with vocab, sentences and essays. You ask any Japanese person to sit down and write an English essay, and they will be able to do so.

Yet 90% of the Japanese population can't string together two English sentences in a conversation. Even though there is all this English knowledge, they never actually learned how to speak English.

Learning Jap vocab in isolation will allow you to recognise words. But you won't be able to read Japanese or speak it. The only way to do that is to practice doing so.

The secondary issue is active vs passive learning. I saw a post of a guy on here recently who was doing around 1 second for each Anki card. Smashing through hundreds of cards in a matter of minutes. What did he achieve by this? Nothing. It was wasted time. This idea of repetition over a long period of time is just an inefficient way to absorb information. Learning should be done slowly, methodically and actively.

There is a book that explains this better than I can, though it is more focused on sports applications. http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5771014-the-talent-code

Anki is like investing all your money in a single place. If you are lucky, things will work out - but most people find a diversified portfolio to be a better investment in the long term.

So you can start reading after finishing a grammar guide, depending on how much you want to suffer through looking up words? I'm only like 220 words into Anki 2k, but the monotony of it is starting to bore into my skull
When did you guys start reading?

>>70109028
but I don't know what else to do. I watch anime, listen to Japanese music, sometimes review Tae Kim and anki.

>>70109098
I'm 700 cards in and I still feel too intimidated to read.

>>70109028
>It will surprise you to find out that your average Japanese person will have a BETTER English vocabulary than your average native English speaker. The Japanese education system drills English like Anki, with vocab, sentences and essays. You ask any Japanese person to sit down and write an English essay, and they will be able to do so.
Yeah that's not true, many I've met can't at all.

>>70109111
Read, do more Anki, meet some Japanese people near you or online, write out things you learn.

And most importantly be patient and wait, I personally feel like I'll reach fluency on my deathbed.

>>70109124
Not to worry, I started reading at exactly 0 cards.

>>70108460
お前の投稿見てからお前も初心者だってことが分かるけどなw
これからも頑張ってね(´・ω・`)

>>70109161
I started reading at -100 cards

>>70109028
Why do you bother posting when it's so fucking obvious you have no clue what you're talking about

>>70109460
>お前の投稿見てからお前も初心者だってことが分かるけどな
やっぱり
>これからも頑張ってね(´・ω・`)
あ。。。ありがとう

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Adjectival Nouns 12#: Predicative Phrases

So we have covered predicative phrases followed by linking verb (だ) or な and の. The following predicative phrases have no such thing, the main reason of this is slang or common usage. It's not that they don't need to be linked, it's just that the link is implied - so it is dropped. You will find that in more casual Japanese, many grammar structures are dropped making them barely understandable. The only real way to learn these is to go to Japan and absorb the 'everyday' language. That being said, proper Japanese will always be understood - so don't worry too much about these.

この地区は安全そうだ。・このちくはあんぜんそうだ。・ This area seems to be safe.

The only unfamiliar kanji in this sentence is 区・ク・ward/district. 区 is made up of the 匚 box/wall and 乂 govern/control. It literally shows a walled in area being controlled by someone/something. 区 was simplified from 區 which shows 品 commodities/men/houses in an 匸 enclosure. 區 is not used in Japanese, however the pronunciation from the Min Nan khu has been inherited (qū in Pinyin). 地区 is the 地 ground 匚 marked by as an area 乂 controlled by an authority.

地区・チク・district/sector -> area

この地区は・this area subject・安全そうだ。safe it seems to be.

Cont'd.

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>>70109716
Reminder this is the extent of this guy's Japanese knowledge: >>70097281

>>70109627
そんなに悪くはないよ
ただ、「習う」という単語は「人から習う」という意味なので、英語のlearnとは意味が違う

こういう場合はおそらく「どうして日本語が伸びない」などが自然かと思う

I think the use of the English phrase "to learn something" to mean to *finish* learning something is actually kind of strange. It's not like there's a final perfect amount of learnededness for languages and art and science. There is only being bad at it and being good at it, knowing a little or knowing a lot. But you are never DONE learning.

This is me reading an unread chapter of dragon ball. How fast do you think a native would take to read the same thing? I feel like I'll never reach native speeds which is demotivating. I've already been learning for 3 years now.

https://vid.me/bLWs

>>70109793
In Japanese, 習う, is learn from others?
So would a proper translation of, "You can't learn Japanese", be more like you can't know Japanese? What would be a better word if that's what your implying?

Also I think learn in English relates more to competency, for example
>Today I learned (how to) 'x'.
Implies you could do whatever 'x' was now but are probably not a master at it.

If I met someone who could watch Japanese TV, read Japanese Books, write and speak in Japanese I would say they learned Japanese, not everything about it but like I say, a level of competency.

Wat do when IME doesn't recognize a word and there are no kanji options to teach it? Never had to do it before, but sasayaka as 細やか is not recognized.

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あの人は病気かもしれない。・あのひとはびょうきかもしれない。・That person may be sick.

人・ひと・ジン・ニン・person is a very common kanji that comes up as a compound and radical in many other kanji. It is basically a pictogram of a man with splayed legs. The radical used in compounds looks like this 亻. When used alone becomes ひと, in compounds ジン and as a counter ニン.

病気・ビョウキ・ill/sick is the opposite of 元気・ゲンキ・healthy. 病・ビョウ is a phono-semantic compound of 丙 fish tail and 疒 sickness. 丙・ヘイ is a pictogram of a fish tail, but also used as the third heavenly stem in the ancient Chinese calendar, hence why it means 'third rank' in Japanese. 疒 is a pictogram of a stretcher (not 冫and 广). To remember this kanji think of the smell of sickness, like 丙 rotting fish on a 疒 medical stretcher. 気 of course, as we covered before is curling steam. So 病 illness is 気 emanating from the sick person.

病気・ビョウキ・ill/sick

あの人は・that person (over there) subject・病気かもしれない。sick possibly.

かもしれない indicates possibility, like 'I don't really know, but it's possible' and can be placed at the end of a clause.

伊藤さんの家庭はとても裕福らしいです。・いとうさんおかていはとてもゆうふくらしいです。・Mr. Itou's family seems to be very wealthy.

伊藤・いとう another common Japanese name. 伊 is like director/governing person and 藤 is the wisteria (flower). 藤 is a cute kanji, it has the 艸 plant radical on the top, the 水 water and ? -> 舟 boat 丨 standing 廾 cupped by two hands. Shows a wisteria tree hanging over water and somebody (on a boat) is reaching up and cupping the flower with two hands. Gives a real sense of a serene ancient Chinese scene.

Cont'd.

>>70072611
yes please

>>70076703
dont worry, it was a shitposter

>>70109935
I just mean to point out that it's kind of a coincidence that "learn" can mean not the act of learning itself, but the act of getting to a certain point, and these "coincidences" do not usually translate across languages. So translating it back to English would make it sound more like "you can't study Japanese"


If you were to use a verb in Japanese to refer to the more "complete" state of knowing a language then it would be 覚える but the thing I gave before is the type of thing people would actually say (about English)

>>70109941
then just try typing it normally as こまやか you hipster

>>70110149
I didn't think there would be another form, Anki taught me sasayaka. But that doesn't answer the question, as I'm sure it can happen in the future, especially when slangs and whatnot become common place.

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>>70109941
Works here.

>>70110185
ささやか is usually in kana only

you can add things to your user dictionary if necessary. But if it isn't in google IME it's probably a hipster word that you shouldn't be using anyway

>>70110344
>not implementing esoteric vocabulary into phatic conversations to stupefy people
You're correct though.

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家庭・いえ・カテイ・family/household is made up of 家・いえ・カ・house/home and 庭・にわ・テイ・garden/courtyard. 家 shows a 宀 roof covering a 豕 pig/boar. The idea of this kanji is of domestication, having tamed a mighty 豕 boar and turning it into a 豕 pig shows that a population has truly settled into their 家 home. 庭 has been covered previously, but in this instance it specifically refers to a courtyard rather then a garden. A 家 home with a 庭 courtyard is truly a 家庭 household.

裕福・ユウフク・affluent/rich is made up of 裕・ユウ・abundant and 福・フク・blessing/fortune. 裕 is phono-semantic, made up of 衤a radical of 衣・ころも・clothes and 谷・たに・valley. The pronunciation comes from 衤which is 'ui' from the Min Nan, ユウ in Japanese. The idea here is that 谷 valleys are rich in soil and resources making it easy to manufacture products, especially 衣 garments. 福 is made up of 示 (礻) しめす・show/demonstrate and 畐 fill/full. 示 is a pictogram of an altar and compound ideograph of a 田 field being filled to the 一 brim with
口 goods/harvest. So 裕福 shows both 裕 material wealth from the valley and 福 the blessing of the gods, a truly 裕福 affluent situation.

裕福・ユウフク・affluent/rich

伊藤さんの家庭は ・ Mr. Itou's family subject・とても裕福らしいです。very affluent typical model of.

らしい means 'is typical of' or 'is a model of'. In the above sentence it is comparing Itou's wealth to other people who are wealthy. It is just another level of Japanese nuance of conjecture.

あそこは静かだろう。・あそはしずかだろう。・That place is probably quiet.

あそこは・that place (over there) subject・静かだろう。quiet probably.

だろう is the more polite version of でしょう, and just means that something is 'probably' true.

That is all for today, tune in tomorrow for another lesson.

>>70110344
>>70110236
>google IME
You're assuming I'm a dumb phoneposter or something?

But maybe my Win7 dictionary is outdated or something. I'll try to inject the word into the dictionary.

>>70110589
No we just assumed you had the basic sense to read the guide

>>70110589
You can use google IME on your computer you dumb windowsposter.

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>>70110652
>>70110653
Why would I install some jew app to outjew my already-jew OS' built-in tool?

This is the first time I've ever ran into an unknown word by IME and you yourselves seemed pretty okay with just disregarding these occurrences as not relevant to care.

But yeah, maybe when I'm forced to migrate to a new non-MS OS due Win7 becoming obsolete I'll think about your kaomoji gimmicky IME.

>>70110752
If you don't use linux on your personal computer in 2017 you are fucking retarded desu.

>>70110752
Google IME is just better.

And I mean you shouldn't use the word in conversation - it's still pretty inconvenient to not be able to look up a word because it isn't in your IME's dictionary, so having a bigger dictionary is still quite useful. It just usually isn't worth adding stuff to most of the time

>>70110752
(you)

>>70110770
I like Linux and I would love it if we lived in a world where every game/graphics app was OpenGL (or if there was a better open standard), but sadly we don't live in that world. Since this is a Japanese thread I'll mention a Japanese thing that currently has no replacement: MMD.

>>70110938
what is mmd?

>>70110938
I am just kidding.
I don't play games so linux is perfect for me. BR Anon seems mildly retarded so I figured I would tease him a bit.

>>70111091
Miku Miku Dance. I doubt this is incompatible with wine though.
Also pretty much every visual novel, but you can easily run those with a windows VM or Wine.

>>70110938
This, pretty much. Unfortunately programming skills and assburgers seem closely related, so we can't get a cohesive, united workforce focused on making the best OS to be improved on later, but rather several disputing subsubsubversions that have different toolbards or notepad icons.

That is not to say even proprietary OSs manage to be one-size-fits-all, just look at all the encoding issues and the need for JP locale to run a shitload of nip programs...

>>70111164
冷やかさないで葉っぱちゃん。ぷんぷん~

>>70111238

Localisation wouldn't be an issue if the whole world got on board and made English the planets first language.

English taught everywhere, at every school, as the first language with local languages taught as secondary language. Places like India and Germany do this already and that is why they have such dominant economic clout.

China, Japan, Russia are so insular with their own intranets and systems that they have huge issues networking with the global market.

It's just dumb. Inefficient and dumb.

>>70111366
But then again, if humanity cared about making life easier on a long-term basis, we wouldn't be learning kanji and kana even if Japanese survived the standardization of language to IPA.

>>70111469

I actually prefer kanji to the roman alphabet, but I think Hangul is probably the ideal writing system. Though Sanskrit is also very clever.

If I had the time I would create a language that had the vocabulary of latin (or words derived from latin), Japanese particles and the Hangul writing system using elements of Sanskrit.

As much as I love English, the language itself is atrocious.

>>70111238
I love you too, BR-chan.

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>穴
>it looks exactly like a pictograph for goatse
Nice

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In Yotsuba she used 緑色 to describe the color of the clouds. On an English translation it was translated to "dark clouds". Is this the translators being retarded or do they actually use 緑色 to say something is dark.
I'm just going to assume for now it's a retarded translation because you should never trust fan translations

>>70112750
>tfw you are a fan
>tfw you translate everything in your head when you read
>tfw can't trust myself

>>70112750
>On an English translation
thats just asking for trouble
after i started learning, id read maybe the first couple of pages of claymore in english
give them up

What's the point of the first と in 鍵くらい掛けとないと?
Translation being "you should keep the door locked".

>>70112750
It can be, yes. 緑 is also sometimes used to describe hair.

>>70112826
掛けておかないと
It's a shortened slang version.

>>70113072
Thanks!
This occured to me once, but I thought "no, that can't be" lol

>>70112128
いやらしいわね

>>70095093
>>70097281
kek, honestly you're pathetic
of course this is the post you don't respond to >>70105849

>>70110114
thanks

>>70111573
>As much as I love English, the language itself is atrocious
english is absolutely bollocks cunt/mate
i really do like it though, but it's amazing it's such a widespread language

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I'm reading a VN for the first time, after roughly 7 months of studying. Admittedly, this is one that was recommended for beginners so what's being said is not exactly high literature but...

>mfw I am comprehending entire sentences

It's so much easier with voice and context.

ureshiiiiii ! ! ! ! !

Hypothetically if someone knew every kanji but no hiaragana/katakana/grammar would they be able to have a vauge understanding of sentences?
Like in english "The dog took a shit" They would understand "... dog ... ... shit"
?
If every word was written as its kanji

I'm having trouble understanding the difference between は and が in some sentences. I got this example from my teacher's summar, I still don't get it...
Example:
こちらは、ほんださんです (You wonder who this person is. ほんださん is important info. )
こちらが、ほんださんです。(You know Honda is here in the crowd, but you wonder which one Honda is. こちら is important info.)

>>70117500
You can have a look here
http://www.japanese-language.aiyori.org/article1.html

But in general don't stress about it. You'll come to understand the difference on an intuitive level after a lot of reading and listening.

>>70117818
Thank you for the link. Yeah, I imagine it being one of those things you'll just know after awhile, with proper context and such.

>>70095093
Just fuck off retard, nobody cares what you have to say.
You're full of yourself and all you do is just cluttering the thread with shitty posts that nobody reads anyway.

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Some anons want this thread merged with the Japanese chatroom thread. That looks like a rather questionable proposition at the moment.

>>70117500
If you keep reading you will eventually suddenly be able to understand it well. I used to be in a similar position but now I can use them correctly in like 95% of situations

>>70118273
absolutely not, that thread's for chatting in japanese and has different culture

>>70118344
I'm surprised at how fast it is.
Why do they need three threads up?
I thought /brit/ was the only general that felt the need to have as many threads up as possible (on as many boards as possible).

>>70118421
thread wars is my guess
some /vg/ generals are the same way

>>70118492
Do you use any of the threads on /vg/?

>>70118115
i completely agree with you, he should just stick to his blog instead of spamming this thread with garbage.

>>70118811
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l5N1XTTEps

>>70119347
There is something slightly intimidating about the language.

>>70119765
I think it's deeply ingrained in your Anglo genes to fear the Nordic man.

>>70119796
In Australia we don't really have a concept of the Nordic man, aside from maybe chocolate and snowy mountains. Yet our "snowy mountains" don't really get snow and they aren't really large enough to be called mountains. The whole far north in the Northern hemisphere is too far away and the whole ice and freezing weather is more about south pole than the north.
I wouldn't be surprised if people down here thought that Skyrim was based on actual Scandinavian countries.

Wouldn't mind learning Danish one day, though. Probably not something a Swede wants to hear.

>>70112750
The Japanese have a different meanings associated with their colors than we're used to in the west, particularly 緑 and 青. So it's possible that it's a legitimate way to refer to dark clouds as Japan anon said below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ao_(color)

>>70120066
don't learn danish, it's completely useless
also their kids take the longest time in the world to learn it
at least learn norwegian if you don't want to learn swedish

when is it べんきょうをする and when is it べんきょうする?

>>70120066
Danish is completely useless unless you specifically move to Denmark like >>70120386 said

Danish pronunciation is a complete and utter mess, it's the biggest disgrace in linguistic history

Faroese and Icelandic kids are forced to learn Danish so they can communicate with peninsular Scandinavians, but of course nobody can understand fuck all of what they're saying.

Best is to learn Swedish or Norwegian.
Sweden is a shitty country these days for a number of reasons aside from the obvious multiculti, but it's still the most spoken language.
Norwegian is good if you just want to be intelligible to as many Scandis as possible, since both Danes and Swedes can understand Norwegian easily and Norwegians understand Swedish and Danish easily.

Then again, I consider making Icelandic or Faroese my 7th language eventually (preferably Faroese but then I have to live there for a long time to learn since no resources exist) and it's even more useless languages.