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London, Paris, Milan, Berlin

which is a capital of EU?
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Fucking Brussels you nip.
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People say it's Brussels
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technically Brussels
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WILNA
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>>54879760
Warsaw
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Brussels
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Manila
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>>54879760
basically everything in EU is a capital

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Capital_of_Culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Capital_of_Sport
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>>54879760
Helsinki
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mongolia
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Brussels now, in 20 years, sadly, Warsaw will be the capital of whats left of it.
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>>54879760
Brussels, because that's the city with the most EU institutions, and also the most important EU institutions.

But the biggest, most influential and interesting city in the EU is definitely London. No other city here even comes close.
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It's Brussels for fucks sake
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Brussels: capital of the EU

London: capital of the world
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>>54880349
why is london so ugly jesus christ
wtf is up with that giant didlo
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>>54880452
progressive diversity
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>>54880349
Why is it such a shithole then?
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>>54880349

You wish
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>>54880452
Beauty is secondary to innovation, experimentation and progress
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>>54880530
>You wish

Is it time to start posting the meme rankings? I can do that
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>>54880533
'no'
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Tel Aviv
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>>54880583
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>>54880637

>>54880597
Not sure what that is meant to prove my Latvian friend
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>>54880349
>A DICK
KOK TEP
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>>54879760
Frankfurt is more of a capital than any of those.
But really, Brussels.
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>>54880778
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>>54880867

>>54880857
Compared to London, Frankfurt is a minor player
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>brits are unironically proud of having a bloated finance centre filled with turbo jews fucking over the rest of their country
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Istambul
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>>54880932
Frankfurt houses the BCE, which owns Europe.
What similarly important organ does London house?
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>>54879760

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament

Meeting place
European Parliament
1st: Louise Weiss: Strasbourg, France (image)
2nd: Espace Léopold: Brussels, Belgium
Secretariat: Luxembourg & Brussels
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>London
Strongest city of Europe
>Paris
Most centered city of Western Europe
>Milan
No
>Berlin
No

Capital of Europe could be Rome
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>>54881002
It's ok dear, I remember when Vienna used to be important... oh wait, I don't.

>>54881027
>the ECB owns Europe
Interesting proposition, but completely wrong in every way. You may want to learn a little about the Eurozone before continuing this debate. For example, the Eurozone does not cover all of Europe.

>What similarly important organ does London house?
The British government, the Bank of England, some of the largest banks in the world (like HSBC, Barclays), many global companies of every kind are HQd here, various world-renowned cultural institutions and think-tanks, the Commonwealth of Nations, time itself starts in London at the Prime Meridian in Maritime Greenwich

Forgive me if I can't summon up much enthusiasm about the Eurozone in all its stagnating glory, maybe when London is the capital of Europe's largest economy (which is all but inevitable to happen in the next decade or so) you'll feel differently
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>>54879760
Anything but berlin works
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>>54881379
I couldn't care less about Vienna, it's a socialist cesspool like most capitals
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>>54881294
>Strongest city of Europe
>London

Yeah ok
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>>54881436
So what's your criticism of London? A "bloated" finance centre? Finance doesn't even make up the majority of London's economy. But I don't see how a globally successful financial sector isn't something to be proud of.

Also, I notice that you criticise "most capitals" for being "socialist" and at the same time you poo-poo London for its vibrant capitalist tradition and "turbo jews". Are you trying to be contradictory and stupid or does it come naturally?
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Istanbul
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>>54881454
Why not ? Not him but even though "strong" is a rather unclear term London is a major European city in pretty much every way
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Vienna, Prague or Budapest

one of those three
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Dumb question because capital of EU exist and are Brussels, Luxembourg and strasbourg
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>>54881673
many of those other services are reliant on profits from the City, finance makes up about 7% of Britain's total GDP, which is far larger than comparable developed nations. At the same time Britain has one of the largest deficits on its trade balance in the world, which makes tourism and exports of both goods and services expensive and uncompetitive.

Britain's economy is structurally bad, it focussed too much on one sector and even more on one geographical area (South-East England).

Great Britain, and London specifically, have a lot of things going for it, but in the end it needs to reform to make that durable.
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>>54882386
>finance makes up about 7% of Britain's total GDP, which is far larger than comparable developed nations

I'm going to stop you there, because that's completely wrong. See pic related. Less memes, more facts from you, please.

You're also wrong about Britain's economy being focused too much on "one sector". The services are dominant in the UK but only a minority of that is finance. The creative industries contribute only a little less than the finance sector.
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>>54879760
Kiev.
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>>54882386
>which makes tourism and exports of both goods and services expensive and uncompetitive.

This is bullshit too. Our services exports give something like a £7bn trade surplus, which is huge. Only goods trade returns a (big) deficit.
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>>54882574
>http://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2014/apr/24/uk-economy-seven-things-need-to-know-ons-g7

>By 2009, the sector accounted for 10% of UK GDP, the highest of all G7 economies. The second highest was Canada at 6.7%, and the lowest was Germany at 3.9%.
>Output in the UK financial services sector is still 13.6% below pre-crisis levels according to the latest ONS data.

>>54882840
The Netherlands can export half as many services with a much smaller economy, so to think the British services sector is somehow uniquely strong is laugable
http://www.cbs.nl/nl-NL/menu/themas/dossiers/eu/publicaties/archief/2011/2011-3341-wm.htm

Meanwhile your trade deficit widens, with your services exports not making up for it.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35530340
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>>54879760
>Milan
AHAHHHHHAHAHHAAH
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>>54880533
>>54880349
>>54881379
>>54881673
Why is London such a fake city?
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>>54880349
How can it be considered the capital of anything if it closes down completely by 9PM?

No thanks.
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>>54883374
>By 2009, the sector accounted for 10% of UK GDP, the highest of all G7 economies.
>2009

The Guardian, and you, chose this year because it was a one-off, during the eye of the financial storm straight after the crash. In the years after that it dipped again to 8% or so. This is NOT especially high compared to other advanced economies. Cherrypicking does not make you clever it makes you desperate

>The Netherlands can export half as many services with a much smaller economy
I never said it was the British services sector was "uniquely strong". YOU said it was "uncompetitive" and that's just not true.

I notice from your link that the UK has the largest services output in the entire EU, higher in value than France or Germany despite them having larger populations than the UK.

>Meanwhile your trade deficit widens, with your services exports not making up for it.
In fact the most recent figures show the gap closing

>Today's figures also contained December's trade data, which showed the deficit narrowed by £1.3bn to £2,7bn overall in the month.
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>>54883374
By the way, if you think services won't make up for the trade deficit maybe you should read this article

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-exports-analysis-idUKKCN0T40QI20151115
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>>54879825
Can confirm
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something between, german swiss and Austria.
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>>54879760
İstanbul is the capital of europe desu
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>>54880349
No, anon, that's New York.
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>>54884846
Nah not really

>>54880583
>>54880637
>>54880778
>>54880867
>>54880932
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>>54880533
London is a cancer on the UK. The only reason it appears successful on paper is because it sucks up the entire wealth of the UK to maintain itself.

>>54880583
>>54880637
>>54880778
>>54880867
>>54880932
Not a single other British city anywhere near appearing on any of those lists.
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>>54884975
Yes really.

New York manages to be a world city on it's own merits, without the entire Eastern seaboard of the US having to support it.
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>>54884975
More people visit New York and the city produces more things (regarding economic output)

What else does it need?
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>>54879760
Vienna, Prague or Rome should be the capital
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>>54885035
>it sucks up the entire wealth of the UK to maintain itself.
Wrong. Approximately half the revenue raised in London is distributed to the rest of the country. London subsidises the UK to an extraordinary degree. See pic related.

>>54885136
>New York manages to be a world city on it's own merits, without the entire Eastern seaboard of the US having to support it.

Wow, you're stupid. Firstly, look at the table. It's London propping up the rest of the UK.

Secondly, do you think New York doesn't benefit from a MUCH larger domestic population (consumer pool, economies of scale) than London?

>>54885259
>More people visit New York
WRONG. See >>54880637
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>>54885322
>WRONG. See

International overnight visitors, i.e. layovers and such. OK, who cares?
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Capital of EU is Brussels.
Capital of united Europe would be Geneva.
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>>54885509
Why are you comparing international visitors to international + domestic visitors?
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>>54885586
soon we'll be balkanized
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>>54885322
>Approximately half the revenue raised in London is distributed to the rest of the country. London subsidises the UK to an extraordinary degree.

Yes, because it receives insane amounts of government investment, as the government is run by The City for The City. Any and all supposedly nationwide initivies, infrastructure projects etc. are designed to ensure that London is the primary beneficiary by several orders of magnitude. For instance, HS2.

>Firstly, look at the table. It's London propping up the rest of the UK.

Yes, parasites need to keep the host alive.
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>>54885509
Also why are you comparing completely different years, both of why are older than my 2015 comparison?

All you've proven is that the USA has a larger population than the UK (well done!), and you're not intelligent enough to do a same-date comparison
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>>54885322
The simple fact of the matter is that the UK is one of if no the most unequal Western democracies in terms of regional wealth and investment.
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>>54885733
The London statistics are even more recent senpatchi, compered to the stats for New York.

Tone down the inferiority complex a bit, no one really cares as much as you think they do.
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>>54885322
I mean good God, Thatcher switched our entire economy from an industrial one to a service based one for the sake of London, screwing over pretty much everywhere North of Birmingham.
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>>54879760
Istanbul/Constantinople is the futurous capital of the EU
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>>54885701
You're so fucking stupid it's amazing. So London's getting all the money the regions should get? Look at the EXPENDITURE column you idiot.

Yes, the other cities DO need more investment but blaming this on London is completely absurd.

>>54885787
Yeah ok. I knew you'd come up with some bland generalised statement like that after being proved wrong.

>>54885839
>>54885839
/int/ has a hate complex towards London. People here make up bullshit and lie about it all the time, these people deserve to be insulted because they're the ones who insult first without checking the facts

>>54885914
The entire advanced world is switching from industrial to service based models, Thatcher just did it too fast and was ahead of her time.
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foligno
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>>54879760
Madrid.

Most underrated city in the world, to the point that you didn't even mention it. Hell, I'd be surprised you actually knew where it is without looking at a map.
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>>54886095
>Yes, the other cities DO need more investment but blaming this on London is completely absurd.

No it isn't, it's simple fact.

It is literally impossible for London to be so wealthy and so developed and for the rest of the country to be so poor if it's not because London is halting the development of anywhere else in the UK.

The politicians say it upfront, they genuinely believe that spending money on Croydon benefits the country more than investing it in any other city in the UK.

>some bland generalised statement like that after being proved wrong

http://inequalitybriefing.org/brief/briefing-61-regional-inequality-in-the-uk-is-the-worst-in-western-europe

>The gap between the richest and poorest region in the UK, in terms of disposable income, is the widest in the EU

>These figures are taken from data compiled by Eurostat, the data agency of the European Union

>The entire advanced world is switching from industrial to service based models, Thatcher just did it too fast and was ahead of her time.

Not that she gave any kind of a shit what happened outside the Home Counties.
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>>54879760
London is capital of Poland

Paris is capital of MENA

Berlin is capital of Turkey

so id say Ramallah is capital of EU
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>>54879760
The feature of EU is it's diversity. To pick a "capital" would not make any sense other than to try and cause internal division which is therefore reasonably what you are trying to do. /thread
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>>54880349
London is a ugliest capital (or big city in general) I've been.

It's a mashup of random crap thrown in together, no consistent style or architecture or vibe. Just random crap, lots of it, thrown together.

Rome, Barcelona, Athens, Paris is nothing like that.
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>>54886900
>It is literally impossible for London to be so wealthy and so developed and for the rest of the country to be so poor if it's not because London is halting the development of anywhere else in the UK.

How is London halting development of these other places? Look at the expenditure column in >>54885322. And the deficits and surpluses.

>The gap between the richest and poorest region in the UK, in terms of disposable income, is the widest in the EU

AND IT'S REDISTRIBUTED TO THE REGIONS

This is what the table I posted is telling you:

London taxpayer earns high salary, pays taxes. A large portion of those taxes then LEAVES London, goes to the Exchequer and then is spent OUTSIDE of London and the South East.

Projects you mentioned earlier like Crossrail are necessary to keep the city functioning, without them it would literally break down
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>>54887026
Hey you guys still not realized this thread is about causing anger within the EU? Just give it up already. They are trying to make us fight amongst each other!
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>>54887474
>swedes
>fighting
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>>54887339
>How is London halting development of these other places?

I've already told you, by taking insane amounts of government investment compared to the rest of the UK, and by dictating the policies of the entire nation to suit its own ends.

I say it again: It is literally IMPOSSIBLE for the rest of the country to be so poor for it to be in spite of how rich London is.

>Projects you mentioned earlier like Crossrail

I never mentioned Crossrail, I mentioned HS2.

The project supposedly designed specifically to help the North economically. The main beneficiary will be... London, to the tune £3 billion a year.

The second? Birmingham by just £1.5 billion.

Everywhere else will get a fraction of what London will get.

Scotland has to pay £8 billion towards HS2 despite the fact it will not even reach that far North and the fact that HS2 will likely DAMAGE Scotland's economy, according to the government's OWN FIGURES.
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>>54887175

butthurt northerner detected.Back to the shit heap, Glenn
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>>54888202
South West actually.

London is boring it's crazy.

It's a vast, blunt, flavourless mediocrity. I wouldn't even care for the cost of living, if it would be worth it.

And it's not like UK can't have cities with character.
Bath, Cambridge, Oxford, Bristol, are all beautiful, picturesque cities with plenty character. Even the fucking cesspool that's Manchester, at least it has character.

But London? A vast meh.
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>>54887751
>I've already told you, by taking insane amounts of government investment compared to the rest of the UK, and by dictating the policies of the entire nation to suit its own ends.

How on Earth does this make sense to you? Let's go back to basics shall we. You are saying a LABOUR CITY is dictating the policies of the ENTIRE nation via a CONSERVATIVE majority government. What. The. Fuck.

>I never mentioned Crossrail, I mentioned HS2.
HS2 is not a London project you mong. It stretches across England. Don't quote your estimates at me, ANY national high speed railway line is obviously going to pass through the capital fucking city of the United Kingdom.

>Scotland has to pay £8 billion towards HS2
Oh my goodness. Stop the fucking presses. Scotland has to pay taxes for something that doesn't directly benefit Scotland! I'm tearing up, this is a tragedy. It's almost... ALMOST as if Scotland is part of a larger country, and not independent.

Deary me. If only the UK government had the balls to hold a Scottish independence referendum to ascertain whether the Scottish people are ok with not being independent! Damn this injustice.
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