Hungarians were a big guys once.

How did they manage to become dongarians, since I guess central Asians haven't a much bigger dick than the western ones?

>>54868568
*eastern ones

>>54868475
hungarians aren't the huns though, were they? i thought they came from the magyars, as such we call them macar in turkey
huns core was turkic, they had a lot of barbarian allies with them though

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>>54868568
They're just big guys.

>>54868568
Central Asia was full of blonde haired blue eyed Aryans that had huge penises until the Mongol Turks killed them

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>>54868617
I was merly memeing

Was Attila a dwarf?

>>54868642
proof?

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>>54868642

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YFW you realize the Carpathian basin is a perfect unity of man and nature and should be ruled by one country.

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>>54871166
at last I truly see

Does anyone have that gif with wandering Hungarian state?

>>54868642
>>54868779
There many Iranic Tribes like the Scythians who were described with light features, until slant eyed mongol Turks killed them

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>>54871611
here
>>54871710
Scythians are proto Southern Slavs though.

>>54871770
kek, thanks

>>54868642
No

Is there any European country that hasn't possessed some fuckhuge empire in pre-A.D.?

>>54871815
it's probably a fake though. still laughable like germanocentric theory from 19th century.

>>54871770
What's with Poland and Hungary and their quest to move westwards?

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>>54872020
>What's with Poland and Hungary and their quest to move westwards?
eat shit

>>54868642

at this point im pretty sure people will blame turks for andromeda milkyway collapse too

>>54868475
That's the typical map biased by a 20th Century conception of what a nation is and what borders are.

To say these people had an empire is very uninformative. Did they have political influence? Military influence over the area? Economic influence?

How deep was their control of such huge territory, given the standards of that time and age?

Did they just pillage some areas and intimated to the survivors to "swear fealty otherwise we'll come back and kill you"?
Or was there an actual government, a development plan, etc.?

Arbitrary rule of tribesmen is an Empire only in the minds of those who face the Horde.

In most cases, these swarming tribes were just a moving front line... i.e. they had control only over a 100 km belt they used to sweep the land from East to West.

The colouring of such map does not have the same colouring of, say, present day America. All that brown paint smeared East of the Latin territories is a guess at best, mostly unsupported by archeological findigs. It is a Hic sunt Hunns at best.

Check your bias next time you post, Polandbro.

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>>54872053
not to mention lack of germans in eastern germany

#FUCKTHEGERMS

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>>54872020
>>54872053
üksi, keksi, underrated post

>>54873325
Seems like they're really Huns after all.

>>54872166
1000 years from now on Poland will disappear into the atlantic and it'll resurface in New York in 4000 AD

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>>54873325
good times

>>54873681
>1000 years from now on
that's a big time span

>>54873681
> and it'll resurface in New York in 4000 AD

Nah, we will finally settle in underwater Atlantis where we will live in peace and prosperity for centuries

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>>54873790
for you

>>54873790
Oops, I guess you're right. According to my calculations it will take only 9 world wars.

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>>54868475
>Huns
>in Sweden

>>54874077
>Sweden
XD

>>54873874
>viktor orbán
More like Viktor Orbane amirite?

>>54868475
That map is inaccurate as fuck.

>Vandals did not hold that much territory
>Saxons and Jutes did not hold that much territory by 453
>northern England was not conquered by Jutes at all, they only conquered parts of Kent and the Isle of Wight
>"Romanised Celts"
>Picts did not cover anywhere near that area
>Ostrogoths did not control anywhere near that much land, especially on the coast in Dalmatia
>Huns did not have anywhere near as much as land as that and very little of it was under their direct control
>Huns were nomadic, they did not control land north and east of the Black Sea this late
>Huns did not control parts of Scandinavia
>there were still dozens if not hundreds of tribes in northern Europe that were not under their control
>Burgundians did not control that much land
>Visigoths did not control that much land, particularly not in Armorica (Britanny) which was mostly controlled by independent bagaudae

>>54874295
>>54872128
Aetius, please, go away, we know that you are butthurt about the Hunnic Empire

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>>54874250
yes :^)

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>>54874668
OH FUCK ITS DE REPTILIAN :DDXDD

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>>54874776
DE FUCKIN JUUUUUSS :DDD

>>54874077

>According to Professor of Archeology at the University of Oslo, Lotte Hedeager, the old Norwegian (and also Swedish) ruling class consisted of Huns. She argues that a new and strong social order was established with the arrival of the Huns, something that enabled them to resist the victorious Christian countries to the south.

>>54875654
Ah, white guilt revisionism never fails to amuse me.

>>54874077

Götaland and Gotland in southern Sweden now have the highest frequency of haplogroup Q in Europe (5%) and almost all of it belong to the Q1a2b1 (L527) subclade. The Romans reported that the Huns consisted of a small ruling elite and their armies comprised mostly of Germanic warriors. Gotland and Götaland is the presumed homeland of the ancient Goths. In the 1st century CE, some Goths migrated from Sweden to Poland, then in the 2nd century settled on the northern shores of the Black Sea around modern Moldova. The Huns conquered the Goths in the Pontic Steppe in the 4th century, forcing some of them to flee the Dnieper region and settled in the Eastern Roman Empire (Balkans). It would not be improbable that some Goths and Huns moved back to southern Sweden, either before invading the Roman Empire, or after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, displaced by the Slavic migrations to Central Europe. After all, even ancient people kept the nostalgia of their ancestral homeland and knew exactly where their ancestors a few hundreds years earlier came from.

I wish I was a cute girl captured by strong Hungarian nomad pillage rapist.

>>54875725
>Hedeager is convinced that “the Huns’ supre -
macy included parts of Scandinavia” (s. 44). This
conclusion is based on a quote from a conversation
between the West Roman ambassador Ro -
mulus and the East Roman envoy Priscus. Ro -
mu lus said that “[Attila] ruled even the islands
of the Ocean” (Priscus fr. 8, see Doblhofer 1955).

>>54871889
Us.

>>54868475
my suebi blood D:

>>54871889
Us.

>>54871298
>>54871166
woah, geography

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>>54875753
I wish I was a strong Hungarian nomad pillage rapist capturing a cute girl

>>54875654
This, also Gustav Vasa was black, in fact all of the kings of Sweden were imported african royalty and shit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Catalaunian_Plains

Bleown the fuck out

>>54871710
they weren't killed they migrated

>>54875871
>Us
get a load of this clueless bitchboiXD

>>54875820

That quote didnt even have anything about Hedeager.

>>54875820
People used to assume Scanza was an island since nobody went north enough

>>54876267
>Hedeager is convinced
>Hedeager
>convinced
>nothing about Hedeager

am I being memed?

>>54876339
This being the only evidence for Huns in Scandinavia, makes it a bit of a stretch 2bh.

>>54875725
>by the Slavic migrations to Central Europe.
You know that Slavic migration is a bullshit, right?

>>54876061

Badin Lundberg was black

No but seriously read this >>54875725

Theres so much genetic linguistic and material evidence for Huns in Scanza, you just want to reject it since your nationalistic fantasies couldnt handle it

>>54876372

That is a different independent quote and does not have anything by her. Thats based on genetic evidence which is almost impossible to fake. If Hunns werent there, why are their male lineages found only among north germanics?

>>54876583
Can you link to the evidence instead of posting speculations then?

>>54876419

Its not, read this post: >>54875725

There are archeological finds of artifacts, genetic evidence in the form of male lineages, and multiple ancient authors talk about germanics allying with Huns.

Theres literally every kind of evidence one would want.

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>>54876744

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml#history

Pic is prevalence of hunnic male lineage

>>54876687
It does have a lot to do with her theory according to Ulf Näsman, another professor in archelogy.

http://samla.raa.se/xmlui/bitstream/handle/raa/3182/2008_111.pdf?sequence=1

>>54876824
HUN'D

>>54876220
what empire we had?

>>54877043
Who needs Empire when you have Langobardi, Vandals, Suebi and Goths that buttfucked the greatest """"""empire""""" ever.

>inb4 ass mad faggots claiming they were germanics becuz muh wikipedia and german """"""historians""""" from german nationalism period

>>54872058
We don't blame you, you're just victims of the turks, hell, you even identify as them. stockholm syndrome is real.

>>54877140
polish history lessons must be a joy to behold

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>>54877140
>Poles have no achievements of their own and desperately try to claim credit for others'

>>54877238
>>54877262
We don't learn about it. That's why it's fucked up.
I can prove it to you, that they were Polish/Western Slav ancestors.

For one. Vandals used to cremate their dead, something other germanics didn't do. Tacticus and Pilnius said that Vandals look different than others and have other customs. Early Western Slavs also used to cremate their dead.

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>>54868617
>core was turkic

>>54877333

Actually 100 years ago historians already saw the connection between Vandals and Poles, but it was German historians, in the times of peaking German nationalism, held that having a Germanic culture equals being Germans. And their word dominated until recently.

Yet Romans clearly described the Lugii or Vandals as looking different and having different habits. Habits closer to their Eastern neighbours the Venedi.

Also, consider: why does this tribe call themselves "Lugii" but are called a derivate of what they called their neighbours: wanderers?

The Winilli became Longobards after in battle they dressed up their women as soldiers, shaved they hair and fixed it to their chins as beards in a battle agaist the much more numerous Vandals. Everyone called them "the long beards" after that and they adopted it.

Similarly for some reason the Lugii tribes were called Wandilli/Vandals, a name they also adopted. And the Wends to the east of them also adopted the name Germans gave them.

>>54871770
scythians weren't even indo-european, stop with your biased indo-euro interpretations of history

>>54877411
They were Iranian.

>>54877428
No they weren't, the whole claim of them being "Indo-Iranian" is based on interpretations of a few words by Greek sources.

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>>54877428
>Being this much of an Abo-boo
Never understood that desu

>>54877495
So who were they? Enlighten me.

>>54877532
I'm not.
Scythians are ancestors of the Southern Slavs.
Chronicle of Herodotus is a good start. Yet people are too dumb to read and understand them.

>>54877140
neither of which have anything to do with us

>>54877708
Always you, one fucking poster immune to knowledge.
>>54877333
>>54877391
>>54872144
>>54872053

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>>54877574
I'm not giving much to national epos/myth BS, genetics, especially autosomal, is where it's at in 2016
I also noticed those clinging hardest to such creation stories are peoples who got their writing very late so they have to associate themselves with some ancient mystical "we wuz kangs" people, case in point Albos with their "muh Illelryans" crap

So I'd much rather look at PCAs and admixture analyses desu

>>54877729
literally no one believes the shit you spew there is a reason why it's not taught in schools

>>54877795
By the picture you gave me Poles are closer to Norwegians than to Russians.
Also look at Belarusians. Would fit perfectly the fact that "Goths" were from Scandinavia but migrated to modern day Belarus, that's why Balts called Belarusians "Gudai/gudi">>54872053

>>54877333
>Vandals used to cremate their dead, something other germanics didn't do.
>"Thus he (Odin) established by law that all dead men should be burned, and their belongings laid with them upon the pile, and the ashes be cast into the sea or buried in the earth. Thus, said he, every one will come to Valhalla with the riches he had with him upon the pile; and he would also enjoy whatever he himself had buried in the earth. For men of consequence a mound should be raised to their memory, and for all other warriors who had been distinguished for manhood a standing stone; which custom remained long after Odin's time." -Ynglinga saga

>>54877886
>there is a reason why it's not taught in schools
And the reason is German Empire and anti-polonism during Kulturkampf.

But maybe you're right. I guess Tacticus, Pilnius the Elder, Herodotus and Adam from Brema were just Polandboos, right?

>>54877959
Florin Curta in his work mentions that Early Western Slavs and Przeworks culture(Vandals) and before that Lengyel Culture(Lengyel is what Hungarians call Poles) used to pray to Freya.
So would also fit perfectly.

>>54877902
I think Russians have an East shift because of mixing with all the Russified Finnic/Uralic/Siberian peoples over the centuries

>>54877959
>>54878011
Also, by germanics I meant "THE" germanics. When you say Germanics people automatically think of Germans, not Scandis.

>>54878036
Russians are a long story. They're a mix of everything.
Kievan Rus / = / Russia

>>54877902
Also what I want to say is that language is overrated, it changes much quicker than genetics, just check Hungary which isn't anywhere near Finland let alone T*rks (Ural-Altaic isn't accepted much anyway these days), but exactly between their neighbours

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>>54878062
>When you say Germanics people automatically think of Germans, not Scandis.
You probably shouldn't use the word "people" when referring to Poles. All Germanics are descendants of Scandinavians. We are "THE" Germanics.

>>54868475
Thats not true, Hungarians are descendants of Pannonian Avars.

>>54878213
Ah, you're that type of a retard.
I just take pleasure that in a couple of decades people like you will be long dead.

>>54868475
croats are obviously ostrogoths

>>54878359
Proofs?

>>54878279
Primitives have been foretelling the death of western civilization for hundreds of years now, it's not gonna happen in the next few decades either.

>>54878388
Poles have more European admixture than Swedes. If we're not white, then no one is.

Yet again, your only arguments are insults and pseudo-nationalistic swedish thoughts. All you can do is bark on korean image board, because you have no balls to fight for your homeland, for your own women that get raped on every possible turn they take.

Here's your superiority, dying under barbarian islamic boot.

>>54873325
>feher horvatok
polan come back
also
>feher horvatok
>feher

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>>54878213
The problem is how to exactly define what's "Germanic". Limited to speakers 500BC? Also including modern day ones?
It's not like they came south here and killed/replaced all the native Celts or whatever, it's hard to tell how much % which peoples decends from the Germanics at the time of ethnogenesis, but I don't think it's too high and most were just "converted" language wise like it was with the Hungarians, else we wouldn't score that close to some "Celtic" peoples such as French or British on K15

>>54878359
Croats, like every people from an area that has been, conquered, reconquered, raided and settled countless times throughout history are mutts who cannot be traced back to a single people. Yes, you have some Ostrogoth in you, but you have a bit of everything in you.

>>54878515
>polan come back
They probably saw the sign "Krvatska the other way" :^)
>>54878538
You have a lot of somali in you, yet no one complains.

>>54878463
You're talking about that K12 (I think) based map some Pole totally unbiasedly made a while ago? Well he included "Caucasian" (=churka) but excluded "West Asian" at the same time, kinda arbitrary desu

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>>54878589
>West Asian
hmmmmmmmmmm

>>54871166
Faggot Romanians ruining the best borders

>>54878575
>Krvatska
bloodatia?

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>>54878690
Well both are only "peripheral European" at best in my book
I also made a K12b one myself some time ago with two numbers
>lower
strictly European
Atlantic Med + N European
>upper
broadly "white"
the above + Gedrosia + Siberian + NW African + SW Asian + Caucasus

>>54878867
I don't really care who's better than who. I'm just butthurt about 5ad slavic bullshit theory.

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>>54872144
>486
>Visogoths sacked Rome in 410
>Vandals sacked Rome in 455
>Ostrogoths in Moesia in 475
The tribes had migrated out by 486 so no your Ancestors weren't fucking up Rome.

Pic related is much earlier than your map.

If your the poster who mentioned cremation, the German tribes until they converted to Christianity almost exclusively practiced cremation.

Also slavs don't show up till around the period your depicting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Slavs

Having said that IIRC about 13% of Polish DNA is Germanic in origin.

>>54878531
Of course the locals weren't all genocided or driven off. There was a fair bit of mixing going on, peaceful or otherwise. Thus non-Scandinavian Germanics are more accurately described as Germanic/Celtic mixtures (sometimes with some Slavic), that speak Germanic languages. However, the closeness with the French and the Brits come not only from the Celtic side, but also from Germanic admixture in France (named after a Germanic people as I'm sure you're aware) and the British isles (Angles, Saxons, Normans, Norsemen, etc.).

>>54868642
This

>>54879091
I think both in France and England they were also only small ruling elites, or how do you explain Ireland which isn't one bit "Germanic" genetically?

>>54873681
>it'll resurface in New York in 4000 AD
They've already colonized Greenpoint and Ridgewood NYC.

>>54873591
IIRC new evidence basically equated them to a gang with a multi-ethnic makeup. They basically just kept absorbing peoples and the cool kids all wanted some of dat loot son.

>>54868642
>Mongol Turks killed them
m8 they just migrated West mostly

hell they still live there, they are called Slavs

>>54879069
Venedi, Lugii/Lygii/Lugoi equals Lech/Lechites which were later called Western Slavs.

Slavs was a bullshit made up in 19th century by German nationalists.

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>>54879939
But I guess i'm wrong.
Same type of wrong that Roman Chroniclers were. This type of wrong that Adam of Brema was, he just liked the Poles and called them Vandals for some reason lel.

>>54880016
Also, it's just a coincidence that German capital was founded by so called """"""slavs"""" not by pure """""germanics"""".

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hevelli
>West Slavic tribes ("Wends") had settled in the Germania Slavica region from the 7th century onwards. The Hehfeldi as they were called by the Bavarian Geographer about 850 built their main fortification at Brenna (later to become Brandenburg an der Havel
German version of history smells like shit, I tell you.

If that is true, that Hevelli arrived in 9th century and in that century build Brandenburg, that would mean that """"Germanics"""that were there before them, were absolute useless cunts that couldn't build anything.

>>54879069
>13% of polish DNA is Germanic in origin

WE WHITE NOW

POLAND IS 100% GERMANIC AND ARYAN AS WELL

HEIL HITLER

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>>54880198
It's the opposite. It's half of them that are """""slavs"""" in denial.

>tfw need to get some documents translated and I can be a Hungarian citizen

>>54880908
Is that supposed to be a good or a bad feeling?

>>54881111
Good. It will be nice to tell Europeans I am one of them every time I shit post. Plus, Hungary is GOAT.

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>>54881170
Agreed man. Dual Canadian-Hungarian citizen here, had the greatest time in Hungary over the summer. Pic related

>>54877535

Ancient Turks ofc.

>>54881944
I don't know why do tourists go to Halászbástya. It's just a fucking tower which isn't even that tall

>>54881170
1. You are not European just because you're a citizen of a European country.
2. You are not "one of us" just because you're European. There is no "us" for Europe any more than there is an "us" for Afroeurasia.

burgerclap here
what's with this Hungary-Romania rivalry?