The Syrian civil war has raged on for nearly 5 years now. Do you think it will come to an end in the foreseeable future? Which faction involved do you think will come out victorious?
The green side is getting its ass whipped. Good. I hate how the media were promoting and supporting this side we know nothing about and whose victory would most likely result in another conflict ending with a hardcore muslim government. Go Assad.
>Not wanting the war to end soon so that Mehmet can go home.
Do you still want muslims in your country? One enemy out of the equation will bring the war to an end sooner rather than later.
The Anti-Assad & ISIS lads won't win.
The war will futilely rage on for as long the USA, France mates want to, though. Which means more destruction, more deaths and more refugees.
At the moment the SAA has turned the tide by completey exausting the Rebel logistics with the help of Russian air strikes and has been advancing in all fronts to the point where they even cut off the main and safest supply route from turkey the Rebels had.
At this point the momentum of the SAA is almost impossible to stop without some kind of USA led invasion of syria, using the Saudis and Turkey as proxies.
And the Saudis and their allies have been threatening to invade Syria recently, supposedly even started mobilising with this intent in mind.
>And the Saudis and their allies have been threatening to invade Syria recently, supposedly even started mobilising with this intent in mind.
Weren't they killing each other in Yemen?
Like another anon said earlier, it's just Desert, SAA has controls of most urban areas.
The main "battle" was always between SAA and IS.
FSA is only alive because of US support. I remember a case when US spent million training a few guys. Then after they trained them, they joined Al-Nusra.
Lel, no way. Plus, the Foreign Ministry has been pushing for the needs of talks and open negotiations, including Assad, for a polítical solution since years now. Unlike France and USA that had always been opposed to these negotiations.
Anyway, there isn't a government in Spain at the moment since late December, and it's very unlikely the PP will form (or be part of) of the next government.
We could have split the country into three or four ethno-religious states ages ago and solved all of this, but that would piss off Turkey and Saudi Arabia, so instead hundreds of thousands of people have had to die and billions of dollars have had to be wasted so we can pretend like we worked hard to bring about a change when really we just wanted the status quo of Assad winning.
Our foreign policy is shit. I hope Trump genocides the entire Saud family.
The country is like Afghanistan in the 80s before the USSR collapsed. I'm predicting that Saudis will ensure a wahhabist regime rises once Assad is gone, which may even be a decade away, but there is no way that Bashar can put Syria back together because too much blood has been spilled.
>turkey following the new ottoman dream sends in the ground troops stating that the peace talks failed
>crushes the anti-government-rebels on north and ypg
>later anchalusses the east turkestan under misak-ı milli
to be honest
It's an open secret at this point that the ultimate aim of Spain is to annex Syria and that the FSA are its mean to weaken Bachar the Lion. No one is fooled by these "open negotiations" talks that all know will never amount to anything. Just a token effort by Spain to not seem like the puppet master that it is.
Spain is the key and must desist in its efforts to destabilise the region.
>And the Saudis and their allies have been threatening to invade Syria recently, supposedly even started mobilising with this intent in mind.
It's merely empty rhetoric that costs them nothing. UAE and KSA have said they're ready to commit ground troops ONLY IF they're a part of a US-led coalition. They know that there is absolutely no chance of the US committing infantry, so they know that it's a hypothetical commitment they'll never have to back up with action.
>it's rumor, not confirmed information, possible fake
We haven't really done shit desu. We've only bombed ISIS where as the Russians are bombing everything which is why the Refugees are all on the Turkish border now. We trained like what 100 troops who surrendered their gear to Al Nursa front. Not really a proxy war for us at least. Killing ISIS is our main focus now.
>actually just foreign proxy troops fighting
>do nothing while the war rages on
>somebody's about to win
>it isn't one of the mythical 'moderate rebel groups' because they don't actually exist
>decide to step in with the barest amount of support that is capable of prolonging the war another year
This has been Obama's playbook every fucking year. I don't blame the guy for not intervening given what a shitshow Iraq was, but that decision comes with the responsibility of accepting whatever the natural course of the war is.
There's no FSA
Only several Islamist factions who do their own thing.
Tbh in the beginning US was pretty active. Now after Russia joined the game and the war is starting to come to it's end, US govt is backing off a little. It's also elections too.
Interesting how they're anti-assad, but they support Al-Qaeda.
>which is why the Refugees are all on the Turkish border now.
those refuges you talk about are the daesh and nusra fighters that are running away because the know they gonna loose soon, and you should have bombed them already years ago but you didnt.
>One time US honestly stays out of ME
What the fuck are you talking about?
Does anyone know what happens here? Do the Kurds and Assad have some kind of agreement, is it like a hostage bartering chip, is there any fighting going on here (i know there are air strips)?
Non aggression, there were several bombing of Assad aligned Christians for which they blame the Kurds, so there has been some skirmishing lately. After the rebels are done the are is going to cause a Kurd-Assad war
If you genuinely think America supports isis you must be on a whole other level of delusional, one not seen since the USSR was around.
>It's a America v. Russia proxy war!!
No it's not you delusional idiot. Not everything revolves around Russia. Until recently America did not care what Russia did. Some of candidates in the 2012 election were derided for naming Russia as our chief foe. If anything this is a Iran v. Saudi proxy war and both of us are caught up in it. Now please stop cluster bombing villages and learn how to do surgical airstrikes.
They agree to not fuck with each other, that's it, no hostilities but no alliance either, reluctant cooperation if you will.
There's was an instance of a military building being controlled by the SAA in the first floor, and by the YPG (Kurds) in the second floor.
>They joined Nusra
No they got kidnapped by Nusra. Directly after crossing the border from Turkey into Syria. A lot of people say Turkish intelligence tipped Nusra off. They eventually released most of them and they immediately fled back to Turkey.
Says the guy whose government has been caught numerous times lying about bombing ISIS.
We started our air campaign against ISIS a full year before yours. And you had to lie about yours to make it seem more effective than it was lol.
Qamishli is an SAA stronghold and has pretty much been a cease fire line since the start.
Al-Hasakah was the front between SAA/Kurds and ISIS until the Kurds swarmed ISIS positions but agreeing to another ceasefire like with Qamishli.
I don't know if the SAA do bombings while the Kurds push forward, but that would sound like a good agreement for the both of them. I wonder if Deir-ez Zor will stop being a pocket before the end of the year.
Kidnap is slang for "join us or we kill you and your entire damily in the most gruesome way".
FSA and its former SAA soldiers started the war. ISIS saw an oppoetunity and joined the bandwagon.
>"You are lying. We were totally bombing them before you. It's all lies!!"
Ah, burgers. Never change.
Yes it is nearing its end, and its almost assuredly going to be Assad as the rebels are collapsing. Once Assad wins whoever gets into office can just focus all the bombs onto ISIS who haven't been making progress in Syria anyway. If Assad doesn't go full retard mode he will only focus on ISIS as well, as the Kurds don't desire independance.
Basically there is no hope for the rebels at this point, who are also really just more Islamists. Based Assad will go win and then we can all sit down and focus on kicking ISIS, Russia will probably help in Syria and if a republican gets into office we can get boots on the ground in Iraq.
>Says the guy whose government has been caught numerous times lying about bombing ISIS.
But desu FSA and Al-Nusra are no different types of warmongers. Plus how would they know how to find their families?
Doubt it. Both SAA and YPG have higher priorities than to push towards Deir Ezzor. Both of them what to push to Raqqa (The SAA at LEAST to Taqba airbase) and before they do that they have to clear North Aleppo. They have at least two more objectives they have to reach until they turn their attention to the East again. The Kurds don't have the manpower to split troops either. Their completely committed to Manbij right now and haven't attempted an offense in Hassakah for months because of it.
The SAA could press from Palmyra, but they still have to take that first. Even then that would just allow them to maybe run supplies to Deir Ezzor. They would need a huge amount of troops to actually move on and clear ISIS to relieve the pocket. Probably not happening this year.
Not even your government denies that we were bombing ISIS. The funny thing is while you make these accusations with absolutely no proof (great propaganda technique btw m8 talk in absolutes when you don't have proof) there are several examples of your government flat out lying about bombing ISIS. So please post one example of US lying about bombing ISIS. Even your government isn't stupid enough to do that. They leave it for trolls on the internet to cast doubt on it among the ill-informed.
At the beginning of Russian intervention they were more concerned with helping Assad defeat the rebels who had took Idlib. But they wanted to sell the intervention as an anti-ISIS operation since everyone hates ISIS.
So you would see Russian videos and news articles like this:
Claiming to bomb ISIS in areas where ISIS doesn't even exist. Or putting up video's saying they were bombing ISIS in Raqqa when they were bombing FSA groups in Idlib.
Basically the priority was stopping the rebels who had just taken Idlib city and Jisr Shugur but to sell it they acted like they were attacking ISIS. They later did switch to bombing ISIS but at first completely lied about it to sell their mission.
>with absolutely no proof
USA "bombs" ISIS - nothing happens. Russia bombs ISIS - ISIS is losing ground. No proofs, indeed.
>there are several examples of your government flat out lying about bombing ISIS
Source: your pained ass. God, you are entertaining to watch. Are you on a payroll or are doing it for free?
>implying this war will be over
>implying KSA, Turkey and Bahrain won't send ground troops triggered the Third World War
I see Russians and Iranians in this party as well.
>USA "bombs" ISIS - nothing happens. Russia bombs ISIS - ISIS is losing ground. No proofs, indeed.
That's funny. Pic very much related. You guys haven't don't shit against ISIS. We've regained 1000's of km's of land from them while you have maybe 100km North of Aleppo to show for your effort. But everyone who actually follows the war knows that dealing with ISIS isn't Russia or the regime's priority.
>The only reason the war is still going on is because obama won't cooperate with Assad.
Pretty much. Worst president ever. Did more harm to the world than most of his predecessors.
We armed a lot of rebels. Told our ME allies to train them. Gave rebels intel. Almost went to war in 2013. We have been doing our best to beat Assad.
Also, the refugee outflow happened way before Russia intervened in October 2015.
You are sounding completely ignorant of the war.
>You guys haven't don't shit against ISIS. We've regained 1000's of km's of land
Yeah, you totally did. Just accept the fact that yet another bunch of America's pocket jihadists got defeated and move on. US was never good at all this subtle geopolitical stuff anyway, takes too much cunning. Stick to bombing hospitals and innocent civilians, this is what your forces excel at.
Surprised you guys aren't supporting the secularists in Libya like Egypt is.
Is Boutelfika still alive? Do you guys have a functional government or are you just pretending? If the latter, you're still doing better than most of mena.
>Surprised you guys aren't supporting the secularists in Libya
we support the parliament, but no intervention, algeria just wishes gaddafi never left in the first place, so it's mostly humanitarian aid
>Is Boutelfika still alive
yeah, he might bite it in the few coming months tho
>Do you guys have a functional government or are you just pretending
we have, it's just not centered around boutef, never was actually, it's been the military, DRS and business men controlling it since the beginning
The deportation process is slow as fuck and most of these assholes will get (state funded) lawyers to stop that.
We managed to ship some back to Afghanistan and parts of the press like the BBC write up sob stories of how terrible it is that they have to go back.
>Kurds lose 1000 of Kms of land to ISIS before we start bombing.
>After we start bombing they regain their land plus some
Yea we totally did. And you can't even deny it. And now after nearly 6 months of airstrikes you've done almost nothing against ISIS. Your campaign against ISIS is a joke.
the islamists parties and their former leaders are banned and exercising politics under a religious cover is technically illegal, but there are still "moderate" islamist parties, however it's highly unlikely that they'll ever be voted into office since the population is still haunted by its past
You haven't said one thing to counter anything I've said. Or offered proof once. You've just been bullshiting and projecting your assblastedness across the internet. Your "campaign" against ISIS is a joke which is why you haven't been able to offer one thing to defend it.
Before the crisis right wing parties were at 4 percent now they are at 13% in Germany there will be a change. FPÖ in Austria is at 34%,SD in Sweden at 29%,DF in Denmark is the strongest party, PVV in Netherlands is at 24% percent, the two government parties are at 19% together. There will be ways my Podemos voting friend.
How does it feel to live in a 3rd world shithole Ivan?
Still waiting for your proof about Russia's stunning advances against ISIS
What are you even saying no to? The Kurds were getting btfo by ISIS before we intervened. Within 2 weeks ISIS had completely taken all of Kobane Canton except for 2km^2 of the capital city. Within a month of us helping them they completely reversed their situation and retook all of their lost territory. Then took all of the border with Turkey East of the Euphrates.
His argument that US helped ISIS and US bombing did nothing was complete BS which is why he didn't have anything to say to defend it.
And yes we stayed out more or less. Of course we're involved and have interests but we aren't forcing the issue by any stretch. A full commitment would mean more news cycles would mean...
You've already proved you don't really know anything about Syria so its not really worth talking to you at this point. There is no arguing they were getting btfo. They almost lost all of Kobane. But you obviously weren't paying attention.
>The YPG wasn't getting btfo by ISIS before the US arrived
Holy KeK you really don't know what you're talking about. Did you just start paying attention to Syria 3 months ago? Holy KeK.
They honestly weren't.
No ethnic kurdish lands were lost. There's a reason ISIS took some of their land. It's because it was ethnically Arab land that the Kurds took from Al-Nusra in 2012-2013.
The Arab residents never liked Kurdish rule. So the Kurds withdrew from these lands the second ISIS got close. It was only in Kurdish lands that the Kurds put up a fight.
Even now you barely see them outside of their old borders. They have stopped moving at Raqqa and Deir-zour for a reason. It's not their land.
but out of those two who do you think will win?
The Kurds have fought way too hard to give all their land back to Assad, even if Assad promises them full autonomy
And that is the most Assad would do, he wouldn't look forward to having his country being divided
If you didn't have shit memory you'd realize America began widescale bombings in Syria in early September 2014.
Looks like ISIS was expanding into Kurd lands until February. Kobane was only freed late in February.
So maybe it had more to do with a Kurdish counterattack than it did with American bombs.
>The Russian military says it fired 18 cruise missiles on Friday, destroying seven "Islamist" targets in Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo provinces.
>Col Patrick Ryder, a spokesman for US Central Command, said the Russian air strikes in recent days targeted more IS areas, including the group's oil infrastructure.
Notice the second paragraph. It's the Spokesman of US central command.
Stop your shitposting.
Except that would also piss of Assad and Russia
The Alawites really only control Latakia, and having them just concede to that while the Sunnis take the rest would be a defeat on their front. Infact Al Nusra even suggested that a while back, that Alawites can have their state in coastal Latakia, even if it means Syria becomes land-locked
>No ethnic Kurdish lands were lost
What is the entirety of the Kobane Canton
>Even now they are barely outside of their old borders.
If they are right now barely out side of their old borders then you can't take a look at this
And tell me with a serious face that they weren't getting btfo by ISIS.
What is the entirety of the Northern Raqqa Kurdish Enclave
What is all of the Kurdish villages in South Hasakah
>the islamists parties and their former leaders are banned and exercising politics under a religious cover is technically illegal, but there are still "moderate" islamist parties
>real political parties
You're not fooling anyone
Because the Kurds also actually started this revolution because of how Assad treated them? Sure Kurds and Assad are working together now, but initially Kurds were on the rebel side to take down Assad, this is before ISIS existed, and Al Qaeda infiltrated Syria
During Assad's pre-war Syria, he tried to push a full on Arab-only Syria, due to his Arab nationalistic stance. He suppressed the Kurdish people, and tried to Arabize them
Kobane was actually called Ayn al-Arab (Place of Arabs)
>Kobane canton is mostly Arab land
Completely wrong. Its majority Kurdish. There are many mixed villages but in no way is it "mostly Arab land."
You don't know what you're talking about. I'm done with you.
>not supporting the Islamic State
It's like you don't even want a united Christian Europe to finally crush islam once and for all.
All the debates in the US presidential campaign make a huge case of not allowing the US backed rebels in Syria to not lose to ISIS and Assad
As far as I know, the only people that are open to supporting Assad are Trump and Sanders.
The rest (Clinton, Cruz, Bush, Rubio) really want to support a Sunni coalition to take over Syria and remove Assad and ISIS
>mfw there are still people on this Earth who think Sunnis aren't the lowest form of scum
I find it quite funny that we have gone from 9/11 to all of the presidential candidates except two openly supporting al qaeda
Also the rebels have no chance of winning, I have no idea why theyre still supporting them.
United secular Europe then, whatever. IS is still the greatest thing that ever happened for European nationalism since Germany lost WWI.
And if they win in Syria, the entire Middle East will fall into chaos. Europe will be forced to change its current course or be destroyed.
>the rebels have no chance of winning
When the Saudis and Turks invade simultaneously, Assad will have absolutely no choice but to surrender most of Syria and defend his Alawite rump state with Russian help.
>inb4 but Russia will bomb the Turks
Nope. Putin isn't that stupid. He only cares about the base in Tartarus, he isn't going to start WW3 trying to help Assad hold onto the Sunni heartlands which loathe him.
Well one of reasons they aren't winning according to the GOP, is that Obama wasn't serious about helping them
Obama made a red line, that if Assad uses chemweapons, then the US would start missle stikes on Damascus
When the news came out that Assad did chem weapons (allegedly), the US didn't go through with it
But now, it looks like a lot of the candidates are ready for stronger action in Syria, with Saudi sending ground troops in
also my captcha is retarded
You can see their position though, the USA has been strongly and staunchly supporting the rebels since before ISIS even existed (when it was just ISI).
And all the evidence (fabricated or otherwise) of Assad's regime actually torturing hundreds of thousands of civilians over a decade, isn't just going to be forgotten. People don't just hate Assad for no reason
Russia has a naval and airforce base in Latakia. Any solution with Syria will definitely involve the Alawites still controlling the Latakia costal region, meaning Russia's interests in the region is secured
Putin knows when to cut his losses, look at Eastern Ukraine.
>They care about the base, the government and everything about Syria
Syria as a state no longer exists. Russia doesn't give two shits about the Syrian people, geopolitics 101. They care about the base and preserving the coastal regions under the control of Assad. The East of Syria is a lost cause at this point. Nothing short of a full-scale Russian invasion (which would be completely unacceptable) can allow Assad to regain control of the entire of Syria, and even then it would be precarious and would fall apart as soon as the Russians left.
Besides, why would he bomb the Turks? Let them take over IS and Rebel held parts of Syria, they will be mauled by IS and held down for years in that quagmire.
Good job starting a shit posting war almost as big as the actual war.
Honestly, the Kurds are going to win territories in Iraq, Syria, and probably Turkey due to the UN forcing the Turks to give up the land. Nobody except for those countries and some irrelevant island nation that thinks it matters really hates or directly opposes Kurdistan. As for the civil war, it's really too much of a mess to tell, but eventually the US is going to deploy soldiers and it's gonna probably be in support of the rebels.
ISIS is losing ground, thanks mostly to Russia and Assads forces
Unlike the US government, the Russian government isn't short-sighted. They realize that without the Syrian government, Syria would just be another Libya. The US is trying to channel IS into the Syrian government in order to make Syria crumble. Once the "moderate" insurgents are defeated, it will be possible for the Syrian government to completely defeat IS.
And after all this time the US says "Assad must go!" They really want another Libya.
lel hang in there shit eyes.
I meant Israel.
The SAA/NDF are making huge gains on every front. It's a matter of weeks before rebel-held area of Aleppo is put under siege, after that it's only Idlib and the IS-held territories left.
The Syrian government will likely have to concede autonomy to the Syrian Kurds, but other than that they will be the inevitable victor.
Because Syria is part of the Russian sphere of influence. It is standing NATO (USA) policy to contain Russian influence to Russian borders. Regime change is a favorite method of theirs.
>A direct attack on Syria will drag in Iran, and therefore Russia.
What? Why would Iran do that? They can't hold the Sunni regions of Syria, not in a million years, and they don't want to. Understand, this is about saving Assad and the coastal Shia regions. Syria is lost. There can be no attack on Syria, only on the Assadist region and the Turkish/Saudi coalition would be careful to avoid that. They would move into Eastern and Northern Syria, establish a "safe zone" and Assad would be forced to accept a de facto partitioning of Syria. His army is spent, Iran has been propping him up for too long and is also spent. Russia has no interest in keeping Assad in control of all of Syria.
You seem to think Russia has some obligation towards Iran. They don't, Iran has been a pariah state for a very long time. They're working together in Syria because their interests happen to align, but Russia does not like Iran. They will not attack NATO for them.
German Intelligence confirms Assad was not responsible: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/08/syria-chemical-weapons-not-assad-bild
MIT Study: Physically impossible for Assad loyalists to have used chemical weapons. https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1006045/possible-implications-of-bad-intelligence.pdf
Ambassador to UN calls April 2014 gas attack 'unsubstantiated': http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/13/syria-chemical-weapon-gas-attack-unconfirmed-ambassador In fact it's the rebels who are using chemical weapons, sometimes with aid from Turkey: Testimony from UN that rebels are using chem weapons: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE94409Z20130505?irpc=932 Rebels caught with Turkish Tekkim products used to make chemical weapons: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95d_1369914320 Rebels captured with Sarin at Turkish border: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/explosives-seized-at-syria-border.aspx?pageID=238&nid=48064 And again rebels captured with Sarin: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/un-adds-al-nusra-to-sanctions-blacklist.aspx?pageID=238&nid=47985 Syrian radical Muslim rebels displaying their stockpile of Tekkim products and testing out poisonous gas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXn39KqxxtE
Iraq captures Jihadi rebels attempting to make chemical weapons: http://news.sky.com/story/1098214/iraq-smashes-al-qaeda-poison-gas-cell Additional sources: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-syrian-rebels-made-used-sarin-nerve-gas/
>Idlib and the IS-held territories left
>only the largest and most staunchly anti-Assad part of Syria left
>only the region where the leader of Nusra comes from left
>only the overwhelmingly Sunni parts left
>only the most unified group in the rebel movement left
This is how stupid you sound.
Even fucking Al Qaeda knew there would be war in Syria in 2005, you can bet the CIA knew long before.
True, but it will take decades and much bloodshed for things to straighten out, if they ever do. We all know the middle east was always a place of constant war or tribal conflicts. They all hate eachother.
Also of interest
>The Fourth Phase Between 2010 and 2013, Hussein writes that al-Qaida will aim to bring about the collapse of the hated Arabic governments. The estimate is that "the creeping loss of the regimes' power will lead to a steady growth in strength within al-Qaida." At the same time attacks will be carried out against oil suppliers and the US economy will be targeted using cyber terrorism.
>article written in 2005
Proof if it was ever needed that the Arab Spring was never about democracy.
I remember the time when al-Zarqawi(who executed Nick Berg and all of the others - RIP) was the only relevant terrorist along with of course Ossama, al-Zawairi and that american fatsoe who joined the Talibans, Bryan or Ryan something, whatever.
Now we are stuck with fucking ISIS and its beta uprising teenage fights. I'm not sure if it's a ''What a time to be alive'' era or ''Fuck this shitty era I want to go back to 1998 when we were all peaceful and we all had dial-up internet'' era.
Iran is already in this war. They're the one who keep Syria financially afloat, and they have troops in the country. They also train Iraqi and Afghan Shias and ship them to the Syrian front to fight.
I know a kremlinbot when I see one. Lybia is a peaceful and prosperous democracy. And the same fate awaits Syria, once the regime, backed by Russian airstrikes, is inevitably defeated by moderate rebels.
>Lybia is a peaceful and prosperous democracy.
Yeah, peaceful and prosperous...
>stateless islamist shithole that's about to be taken over by ISIS.
>things the modern colony said
Do you understand that when Queeny dies she will be replaced by postmodern multicultural jihadists that will dominate shariah on whole commonwealth? Just google proclamation of 1982
Nah, if that happens we will just become a Republic, like we should have done long ago. After Lizzy dies (God forbid) but it will happen, I think we should abolish any ties to the monarch.
I'll take it to the woods before that happens bud.
>Do you think it will come to an end in the foreseeable future?
It will last through the end of this year at least
>Which faction involved do you think will come out victorious?
Syrian government obviously, whether Assad will last after a peace settlement is unclear. The non-ISIS insurgents are being rolled up fast and then it will be Assad vs. ISIS which was the plan all along. The kurds are strong enough they should be able to make a sovereign state or have self rule like in Iraq.
I'll admit between 2011 and 2013, I thought the rebels were going to win
Then 2013-2016 I was 100% sure Assad is definately going to win
The minute the rebels started fighting each other, it was a victory for Assad
But now as of 2016, seeing Turkey and Saudi possibly sending troops in, I am doubtful
who could possibly benefit from such a terrible a costly war.