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The Syrian civil war has raged on for nearly 5 years now. Do you think it will come to an end in the foreseeable future? Which faction involved do you think will come out victorious?
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>>54797928
Kurds and Assad
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>>54797928
The Syrian Army tbqh. They still control the majority of the urban centers in Syria meanwhile ISIS and rebels control only large swaths of desert.
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Once Trump becomes president everything will fall into place.
The only reason the war is still going on is because obama won't cooperate with Assad.
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>>54797928
>""""civil""" war
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The green side is getting its ass whipped. Good. I hate how the media were promoting and supporting this side we know nothing about and whose victory would most likely result in another conflict ending with a hardcore muslim government. Go Assad.
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>>54797928
Post the updated map
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Russia takes over and turns Syria into a wonderful holiday resort
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>>54797928
It might take years still.
But the rebels can't win anymore; the window has closed. Now with Russia in the mix they are only staving off the inevitable.
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>>54798312
t. Mahmad
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No winners, probably just a broken country. or a unified government that's effectively useless like Lebanon
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>>54798361
>Not wanting the war to end soon so that Mehmet can go home.
Do you still want muslims in your country? One enemy out of the equation will bring the war to an end sooner rather than later.
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>>54798482
Why would a spic jungle nigger be complaining? its not like ""refugees"" ever come to your third world country.
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>>54797928

The Anti-Assad & ISIS lads won't win.

The war will futilely rage on for as long the USA, France mates want to, though. Which means more destruction, more deaths and more refugees.
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>>54798540
I'm not complaining. What are you on about?
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ASSAD THE LION !

Oh and Kurds, to piss T*rks off :^)
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>>54798361
>refugees are posting on /int/ on the iPads Merkel gifted them!!!
nice meme
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>>54798679
No but from phones you stole
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SAA and Hezbollah are almost retaking Aleppo completely, they're kicking FSA out of the northern party and IS is literally starving in the east.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX0oocjtcwY
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>>54797928
At the moment the SAA has turned the tide by completey exausting the Rebel logistics with the help of Russian air strikes and has been advancing in all fronts to the point where they even cut off the main and safest supply route from turkey the Rebels had.

At this point the momentum of the SAA is almost impossible to stop without some kind of USA led invasion of syria, using the Saudis and Turkey as proxies.

And the Saudis and their allies have been threatening to invade Syria recently, supposedly even started mobilising with this intent in mind.
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>>54798618
Spain is the main support behind the FSA.
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>>54798801
what about the countryside? there seems to be a sea of darkness (IS) waiting outside in the north-east
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>>54798826

>And the Saudis and their allies have been threatening to invade Syria recently, supposedly even started mobilising with this intent in mind.

Weren't they killing each other in Yemen?

>>54798984

Like another anon said earlier, it's just Desert, SAA has controls of most urban areas.
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When did the kurds cross the Euphrates???
I didn't know they had that capability
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>>54799093
Would you say the FSA is the bigger threat?
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>>54799370

The main "battle" was always between SAA and IS.

FSA is only alive because of US support. I remember a case when US spent million training a few guys. Then after they trained them, they joined Al-Nusra.
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>>54798937

>main support

Lel, no way. Plus, the Foreign Ministry has been pushing for the needs of talks and open negotiations, including Assad, for a polítical solution since years now. Unlike France and USA that had always been opposed to these negotiations.

Anyway, there isn't a government in Spain at the moment since late December, and it's very unlikely the PP will form (or be part of) of the next government.
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We could have split the country into three or four ethno-religious states ages ago and solved all of this, but that would piss off Turkey and Saudi Arabia, so instead hundreds of thousands of people have had to die and billions of dollars have had to be wasted so we can pretend like we worked hard to bring about a change when really we just wanted the status quo of Assad winning.

Our foreign policy is shit. I hope Trump genocides the entire Saud family.
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The country is like Afghanistan in the 80s before the USSR collapsed. I'm predicting that Saudis will ensure a wahhabist regime rises once Assad is gone, which may even be a decade away, but there is no way that Bashar can put Syria back together because too much blood has been spilled.
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>>54797928
>turkey following the new ottoman dream sends in the ground troops stating that the peace talks failed
>crushes the anti-government-rebels on north and ypg
>later anchalusses the east turkestan under misak-ı milli
to be honest
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>>54799713
i meant west, fuck
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>>54799650

>mfw US loses another proxy war
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>>54799713
fuck off cockroach, you can keep shelling assad and funding the islamic scum instead
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>>54799600
It's an open secret at this point that the ultimate aim of Spain is to annex Syria and that the FSA are its mean to weaken Bachar the Lion. No one is fooled by these "open negotiations" talks that all know will never amount to anything. Just a token effort by Spain to not seem like the puppet master that it is.

Spain is the key and must desist in its efforts to destabilise the region.
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>>54799713
>kurds and arabs are causing trouble in Turkey
>bring millions more of both into Turkey

great plan m8
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>>54799713
>east turkestan
Mehmet my son
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>>54799846
>t.French rape baby

Fuck off ISIS, dont you have some goats you can fuck`?
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>>54797928
I don't want it to end because fuck S*nnis they must all die
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>>54799856

Go away and into an Aussie thread, Pierre.

This was meant to be a serious thread.
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>>54797928
Kurds will win and form Kurdistan to remove filthy T*rks and Ar*bs
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>>54799939
it's weird because algeria supplies assad while your mehmet shithole supplies isis
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>>54797928
>victorious
Assad and the Kurds.
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>>54800022
You know my secret.

I must dispose of you.
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>>54798826
>And the Saudis and their allies have been threatening to invade Syria recently, supposedly even started mobilising with this intent in mind.
It's merely empty rhetoric that costs them nothing. UAE and KSA have said they're ready to commit ground troops ONLY IF they're a part of a US-led coalition. They know that there is absolutely no chance of the US committing infantry, so they know that it's a hypothetical commitment they'll never have to back up with action.
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>>54800025
epic. tsk killed 60 of you subhumans yesterday though :D
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Uh guys...
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>>54799939
Meh-mett
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>>54797928
>Which faction involved do you think will come out victorious?

The Empire of Putin.
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>>54800191
>it's rumor, not confirmed information, possible fake
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>>54799801

Fuck, that's actually pretty close.
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>>54797928
>Which faction involved do you think will come out victorious?
SPAIN
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>>54799096

December last year.
They had US and russian air support, also they are just fucking good at kicking Isis ass.
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>>54797928
Honestly the country is fucked, who ever wins is going to have a hard time doing anything. Plus the rebuilding cost is probably going to be 100-200 billion easy
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>>54799818
We haven't really done shit desu. We've only bombed ISIS where as the Russians are bombing everything which is why the Refugees are all on the Turkish border now. We trained like what 100 troops who surrendered their gear to Al Nursa front. Not really a proxy war for us at least. Killing ISIS is our main focus now.
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>>54797928
Should nuke the Whole north africa and the whole middle east it would solve allot of problems desu..
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>>54797928
>civil war
>actually just foreign proxy troops fighting
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>>54800337

Kurds are great at removing ISIS indeed.

We just need roaches to stop messing with them.
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>ISIS is losing
americans on suicide watch
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>>54800303
>israel

muh ebil jooz meme
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>>54800300
>do nothing while the war rages on
>somebody's about to win
>it isn't one of the mythical 'moderate rebel groups' because they don't actually exist
>decide to step in with the barest amount of support that is capable of prolonging the war another year

This has been Obama's playbook every fucking year. I don't blame the guy for not intervening given what a shitshow Iraq was, but that decision comes with the responsibility of accepting whatever the natural course of the war is.
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>>54800548
>Russian logic
Sergey pls
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>>54800300
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6ea_1454966815
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There's no FSA
Only several Islamist factions who do their own thing.
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>>54800355

Tbh in the beginning US was pretty active. Now after Russia joined the game and the war is starting to come to it's end, US govt is backing off a little. It's also elections too.

>>54800634

Interesting how they're anti-assad, but they support Al-Qaeda.
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>>54800703
>denial
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>>54800355
>which is why the Refugees are all on the Turkish border now.
those refuges you talk about are the daesh and nusra fighters that are running away because the know they gonna loose soon, and you should have bombed them already years ago but you didnt.
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>>54800703
Hello, my name is Sergey (really).
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>>54800355
>lose another proxy war
>"nah, we didn't even care anyway"
Americans, when will they learn.
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One time US honestly stays out of ME, does its best to stop its allays from arming everyone. And all they get for it is shit.
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>>54800303
Is there a non retarded version of this?
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>>54800962
>One time US honestly stays out of ME

What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>54800990
No, the whole thing is a cluster fuck of groups and actors, with very little clear allegiance or lines of loyalty/support
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>>54797928
Does anyone know what happens here? Do the Kurds and Assad have some kind of agreement, is it like a hostage bartering chip, is there any fighting going on here (i know there are air strips)?
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>>54801180

That's a SAA Stronghold.

But they don't kill each other, sometimes they make some agreements to fight IS and Al-Nusra.
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>>54801180
Non aggression, there were several bombing of Assad aligned Christians for which they blame the Kurds, so there has been some skirmishing lately. After the rebels are done the are is going to cause a Kurd-Assad war
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If you genuinely think America supports isis you must be on a whole other level of delusional, one not seen since the USSR was around.

>It's a America v. Russia proxy war!!
No it's not you delusional idiot. Not everything revolves around Russia. Until recently America did not care what Russia did. Some of candidates in the 2012 election were derided for naming Russia as our chief foe. If anything this is a Iran v. Saudi proxy war and both of us are caught up in it. Now please stop cluster bombing villages and learn how to do surgical airstrikes.

Thank you.
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>>54801330
Are SAA and Kurds allies (actively fight together, share intel, supply lines, strategic strongholds) or is it more of peace treaty?
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>>54801380
And here it is.
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>>54801380
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>>54801180
They agree to not fuck with each other, that's it, no hostilities but no alliance either, reluctant cooperation if you will.
There's was an instance of a military building being controlled by the SAA in the first floor, and by the YPG (Kurds) in the second floor.
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>>54801466

As far as i know they don't kill each other(yet).

But i saw a VICE report where the Kurds and SAA sharing a front.

>inb4 VICE
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>>54801380
America does not support ISIS, but without them it likely wouldn't exist, either. They're a symptom.
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Let it for Russians,they won this time.
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>>54801614
>America does not support ISIS
Europeans are so obedient, it's cute. Americans have trained you well.
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>>54799446
>They joined Nusra

No they got kidnapped by Nusra. Directly after crossing the border from Turkey into Syria. A lot of people say Turkish intelligence tipped Nusra off. They eventually released most of them and they immediately fled back to Turkey.
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>>54801721
your a fucking idiot
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>>54801721
We were bombing them before you bydlo.
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>>54801760

>No they got kidnapped by Nusra.

I honestly don't believe. I mean they were trained by US and had a fuckload of weapons.

You don't get "kidnapped" that easy.
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>>54801843
>We were bombing them
Sure thing, buddy.
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>>54801843
your mom's ass was bombing them
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>>54801870
Says the guy whose government has been caught numerous times lying about bombing ISIS.

We started our air campaign against ISIS a full year before yours. And you had to lie about yours to make it seem more effective than it was lol.
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>>54801180
Qamishli is an SAA stronghold and has pretty much been a cease fire line since the start.
Al-Hasakah was the front between SAA/Kurds and ISIS until the Kurds swarmed ISIS positions but agreeing to another ceasefire like with Qamishli.

I don't know if the SAA do bombings while the Kurds push forward, but that would sound like a good agreement for the both of them. I wonder if Deir-ez Zor will stop being a pocket before the end of the year.
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>>54799600
>there isn't a government in Spain at the moment since late December

But there is one in Catalonia. :^)
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>>54801870
Kidnap is slang for "join us or we kill you and your entire damily in the most gruesome way".

FSA and its former SAA soldiers started the war. ISIS saw an oppoetunity and joined the bandwagon.
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>>54802024
>"You are lying. We were totally bombing them before you. It's all lies!!"
Ah, burgers. Never change.
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We should nuke the middle east prove me wrong.. pro tip: you can't.
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>>54802237
I'd prefer to nuke Lithuania instead.
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>>54797928
Yes it is nearing its end, and its almost assuredly going to be Assad as the rebels are collapsing. Once Assad wins whoever gets into office can just focus all the bombs onto ISIS who haven't been making progress in Syria anyway. If Assad doesn't go full retard mode he will only focus on ISIS as well, as the Kurds don't desire independance.

Basically there is no hope for the rebels at this point, who are also really just more Islamists. Based Assad will go win and then we can all sit down and focus on kicking ISIS, Russia will probably help in Syria and if a republican gets into office we can get boots on the ground in Iraq.
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>>54802024

>Says the guy whose government has been caught numerous times lying about bombing ISIS.

Wot?

>>54802201

But desu FSA and Al-Nusra are no different types of warmongers. Plus how would they know how to find their families?
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>>54802070
Doubt it. Both SAA and YPG have higher priorities than to push towards Deir Ezzor. Both of them what to push to Raqqa (The SAA at LEAST to Taqba airbase) and before they do that they have to clear North Aleppo. They have at least two more objectives they have to reach until they turn their attention to the East again. The Kurds don't have the manpower to split troops either. Their completely committed to Manbij right now and haven't attempted an offense in Hassakah for months because of it.

The SAA could press from Palmyra, but they still have to take that first. Even then that would just allow them to maybe run supplies to Deir Ezzor. They would need a huge amount of troops to actually move on and clear ISIS to relieve the pocket. Probably not happening this year.

>>54802215
Not even your government denies that we were bombing ISIS. The funny thing is while you make these accusations with absolutely no proof (great propaganda technique btw m8 talk in absolutes when you don't have proof) there are several examples of your government flat out lying about bombing ISIS. So please post one example of US lying about bombing ISIS. Even your government isn't stupid enough to do that. They leave it for trolls on the internet to cast doubt on it among the ill-informed.
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>>54800634
Well both ISIS and FSA (>implying they're not all the same) fighters, have in fact been transported into Israel and healed there by the Jews so it's pretty accurate really.
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>>54802321

I love happy endings.
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>>54802332
At the beginning of Russian intervention they were more concerned with helping Assad defeat the rebels who had took Idlib. But they wanted to sell the intervention as an anti-ISIS operation since everyone hates ISIS.

So you would see Russian videos and news articles like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFxWwAK3zEY

Claiming to bomb ISIS in areas where ISIS doesn't even exist. Or putting up video's saying they were bombing ISIS in Raqqa when they were bombing FSA groups in Idlib.

Basically the priority was stopping the rebels who had just taken Idlib city and Jisr Shugur but to sell it they acted like they were attacking ISIS. They later did switch to bombing ISIS but at first completely lied about it to sell their mission.
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>>54802376
>with absolutely no proof
USA "bombs" ISIS - nothing happens. Russia bombs ISIS - ISIS is losing ground. No proofs, indeed.
>there are several examples of your government flat out lying about bombing ISIS
Source: your pained ass. God, you are entertaining to watch. Are you on a payroll or are doing it for free?
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>implying this war will be over
>implying KSA, Turkey and Bahrain won't send ground troops triggered the Third World War
shiggy
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>>54802556
who cares they are helping based assad and thats what matters
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>>54802892

I see Russians and Iranians in this party as well.
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>>54800634

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1453567978702.webm
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>>54802852
>USA "bombs" ISIS - nothing happens. Russia bombs ISIS - ISIS is losing ground. No proofs, indeed.

That's funny. Pic very much related. You guys haven't don't shit against ISIS. We've regained 1000's of km's of land from them while you have maybe 100km North of Aleppo to show for your effort. But everyone who actually follows the war knows that dealing with ISIS isn't Russia or the regime's priority.
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>>54798025
>The only reason the war is still going on is because obama won't cooperate with Assad.
Pretty much. Worst president ever. Did more harm to the world than most of his predecessors.
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>>54800078
>algeria supplies assad
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>>54798482
No refugee will go home. It's deluded to believe the majority of them are leaving to return some day.
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>>54803557
It does, food and medicine
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>>54803557
it's true, moron
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>>54803680
First time I hear of that.

What Algeria has done compared to other middle eastern countries is stay as neutral and away from conflict and alliances as possible.
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>>54803558
You do know that Germany plus other nations that host refugees WILL deport them once the situation in their home countries stabilizes right?
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>>54803720
no, it's neutral on other affairs (yemen, niger, somewhat libya) but supports assad
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>>54800355
No.

We armed a lot of rebels. Told our ME allies to train them. Gave rebels intel. Almost went to war in 2013. We have been doing our best to beat Assad.

Also, the refugee outflow happened way before Russia intervened in October 2015.

You are sounding completely ignorant of the war.
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>>54800962
We stayed out?
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>>54803923
Interesting. Must be related to the military and Russia.
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Only Assad can save Syria.
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>>54801085
Well, we at least didn't send ground troops in, so it's probably one of the more hands-off approaches we've taken over there, though not as much so as Libya.
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>>54803182
>You guys haven't don't shit against ISIS. We've regained 1000's of km's of land
Yeah, you totally did. Just accept the fact that yet another bunch of America's pocket jihadists got defeated and move on. US was never good at all this subtle geopolitical stuff anyway, takes too much cunning. Stick to bombing hospitals and innocent civilians, this is what your forces excel at.
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>>54803923
Surprised you guys aren't supporting the secularists in Libya like Egypt is.

Is Boutelfika still alive? Do you guys have a functional government or are you just pretending? If the latter, you're still doing better than most of mena.
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>>54803182
Shut up, the rebels are crumbling because of Russia's aid to Assad. And the rebels are just another flavor of ISIS at this point
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>>54803804
Not gonna happen in Germany. Maybe in France, but not in Germany unless there's a radical change of government.
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>>54804410
>Surprised you guys aren't supporting the secularists in Libya
we support the parliament, but no intervention, algeria just wishes gaddafi never left in the first place, so it's mostly humanitarian aid

>Is Boutelfika still alive
yeah, he might bite it in the few coming months tho

>Do you guys have a functional government or are you just pretending
we have, it's just not centered around boutef, never was actually, it's been the military, DRS and business men controlling it since the beginning
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>>54804654
Does Algeria flip out whenever Islamists get voted into office or are they all banned now
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>>54803804
The deportation process is slow as fuck and most of these assholes will get (state funded) lawyers to stop that.

We managed to ship some back to Afghanistan and parts of the press like the BBC write up sob stories of how terrible it is that they have to go back.
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>>54797928
It's about to take a sharp escalation with the Saudis sending in reinforcements.

Heat between moskal and UAE is on the rise.

This game is getting interesting
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>>54798540

>what is a proxy
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>>54804822
>with the Saudis sending in reinforcements
Fuck
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>>54804355
>Kurds lose 1000 of Kms of land to ISIS before we start bombing.
>After we start bombing they regain their land plus some

Yea we totally did. And you can't even deny it. And now after nearly 6 months of airstrikes you've done almost nothing against ISIS. Your campaign against ISIS is a joke.
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>>54804688
the islamists parties and their former leaders are banned and exercising politics under a religious cover is technically illegal, but there are still "moderate" islamist parties, however it's highly unlikely that they'll ever be voted into office since the population is still haunted by its past
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>>54805027
based
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>>54804975
>he's still posting
You are a joke. Although your tears are entertaining, I must admit.
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>>54805103
You haven't said one thing to counter anything I've said. Or offered proof once. You've just been bullshiting and projecting your assblastedness across the internet. Your "campaign" against ISIS is a joke which is why you haven't been able to offer one thing to defend it.
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>>54805244
Keep it coming.
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>>54805027
The past being? Islamic civil war I reckon?

>>54805244
gtfo amerisnack
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>>54805407
yea
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>>54805434
Goddamn muslims. Good on you m8.
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>>54805367
>All of your responses so far
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>>54805462
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>>54804616
Before the crisis right wing parties were at 4 percent now they are at 13% in Germany there will be a change. FPÖ in Austria is at 34%,SD in Sweden at 29%,DF in Denmark is the strongest party, PVV in Netherlands is at 24% percent, the two government parties are at 19% together. There will be ways my Podemos voting friend.
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>>54797928
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You will not find an answer on 4chan and I don't know why you thought you would. This entire site is r/worldnews lite
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>>54805570
im a different guy but idk your acting pretty bull-headed on this one
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If the kurds were worth arming they'd have already won the war
What useless pieces of shit. The may as well be t*rks
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>>54805645
>This entire site is r/worldnews lite
it is people from here and /pol/ that use worldnews
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>>54800990
http://uk.businessinsider.com/who-is-involved-in-the-war-in-syria-2013-10
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>>54804284
We literally have 1,000 special forces and logistics on the ground.
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>>54805689
>it is people from here and /pol/ that use worldnews
It's a default subreddit I'm pretty sure. Redditors are every bit as capable as 4channers at being retarded.
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>>54805785
> Redditors are every bit as capable as 4channers at being retarded.
newsflash
they're both the same people
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>>54805570
How does it feel to live in a 3rd world shithole Ivan?
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>>54805821
Explains a lot about swedish posters here.
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>>54805821
Reddit has a much bigger user base, they aren't all the same people and their opinions are different on most issues, just for US Foreign policy they are identical.
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>>54805658
All he did was post rhetoric, bait and talk in absolutes then resort to ad hominems. He had nothing to say before that anyways.
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>>54805661
>I have no idea what I'm babbling about pls feed me more burgers
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>>54805658
I'm just not a fan of delusional jihadist sympathizers.
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>>54805942
>Delusional
>Says the guy who did nothing but spew rhetoric without offering any proof.
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>>54805661
>>54805843
>>54805882
Fuck off Fattis (&and Mudshits) normal people want to talk
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>>54805871
only normalfag swedes go to reddit
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>>54805942
Still waiting for your proof about Russia's stunning advances against ISIS
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>>54800805
Yeah look at all these women and children daesh fighters

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/07/middleeast/syria-aleppo-siege/index.html
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>>54804975
No.

You realize where ISIS recruits came from?
The groups Russia is raping. This is a dual effort to rid the world of Islamists.
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>>54806243
>dual
Russia and?
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>>54805983
>Let us have our uninformed circlejerk in peace
>Waaaaaah!
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>>54806282
Assad
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>>54806282
Meme kings.
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>>54806243
>No

What are you even saying no to? The Kurds were getting btfo by ISIS before we intervened. Within 2 weeks ISIS had completely taken all of Kobane Canton except for 2km^2 of the capital city. Within a month of us helping them they completely reversed their situation and retook all of their lost territory. Then took all of the border with Turkey East of the Euphrates.

His argument that US helped ISIS and US bombing did nothing was complete BS which is why he didn't have anything to say to defend it.
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>>54797928
Assad and the Kurds will be the real winners.

Iran will end the war as a near-hegemon in the Middle East.
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>>54803999

Checked

And yes we stayed out more or less. Of course we're involved and have interests but we aren't forcing the issue by any stretch. A full commitment would mean more news cycles would mean...
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>>54806448
>The Kurds were getting btfo by ISIS before we intervened
Holy shit, you ARE on a payroll. That's hilarious.
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>>54804822
nah saudi military is a joke, more likely we will use them as cannon fodder against syrian kurds during the invasion
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>>54804355
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>>54805891
stay brown rapefugee
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>>54804827
I'm not using a proxy though
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>>54797928
>Which faction involved do you think will come out victorious?
Assad.
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>>54806448
I'm saying no to your post about Russia doing nothing you absolute fucking idiot.

Can you not put two and two together?
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>>54806506
>yes we stayed out
>Of course we're involved
Of course we are involved, but we stayed out. Americans can't even spin right.
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>>54806521
You've already proved you don't really know anything about Syria so its not really worth talking to you at this point. There is no arguing they were getting btfo. They almost lost all of Kobane. But you obviously weren't paying attention.
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>>54806506
Norway stayed out.

What the fuck definition are you using?

Is your memory so shitty that you forgot what happened in 2013?
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>>54806608
>"I kinda spew utter inane bullshit and you constantly call me on it and it is making me nervous, so I won't talk to you."
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>>54806608
You're an asshole so he's baiting you.

I'm here laughing my ass off and feeling bad for you.
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>>54806590
>The YPG wasn't getting btfo by ISIS before the US arrived

Holy KeK you really don't know what you're talking about. Did you just start paying attention to Syria 3 months ago? Holy KeK.
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>No mention of the Alawi or Alevi or their impending civil war with the sunni
you had one job /int/
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>>54806675
>US arrived
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The whole point of the Syrian civil war is that it goes on forever
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>>54806675
They honestly weren't.

No ethnic kurdish lands were lost. There's a reason ISIS took some of their land. It's because it was ethnically Arab land that the Kurds took from Al-Nusra in 2012-2013.

The Arab residents never liked Kurdish rule. So the Kurds withdrew from these lands the second ISIS got close. It was only in Kurdish lands that the Kurds put up a fight.

Even now you barely see them outside of their old borders. They have stopped moving at Raqqa and Deir-zour for a reason. It's not their land.
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>>54806709
>Russian "campaign" against ISIS
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>>54797992
but out of those two who do you think will win?
The Kurds have fought way too hard to give all their land back to Assad, even if Assad promises them full autonomy

And that is the most Assad would do, he wouldn't look forward to having his country being divided
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>>54806788
>>54806709
sure is cold over here...
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>>54806675
If you didn't have shit memory you'd realize America began widescale bombings in Syria in early September 2014.

Looks like ISIS was expanding into Kurd lands until February. Kobane was only freed late in February.

So maybe it had more to do with a Kurdish counterattack than it did with American bombs.
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>>54806843
it's like a cold internet war
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>>54806788
>americans in charge of proxy wars
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>>54806788
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34882503
>The Russian military says it fired 18 cruise missiles on Friday, destroying seven "Islamist" targets in Raqqa, Idlib and Aleppo provinces.
>Col Patrick Ryder, a spokesman for US Central Command, said the Russian air strikes in recent days targeted more IS areas, including the group's oil infrastructure.

Notice the second paragraph. It's the Spokesman of US central command.

Stop your shitposting.
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>>54799650
Except that would also piss of Assad and Russia

The Alawites really only control Latakia, and having them just concede to that while the Sunnis take the rest would be a defeat on their front. Infact Al Nusra even suggested that a while back, that Alawites can have their state in coastal Latakia, even if it means Syria becomes land-locked
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>>54806590

Are you literally shitting while writing your replies m8
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>>54806771
>No ethnic Kurdish lands were lost

What is the entirety of the Kobane Canton

>Even now they are barely outside of their old borders.

If they are right now barely out side of their old borders then you can't take a look at this

https://isqatannizam.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/2015.gif

And tell me with a serious face that they weren't getting btfo by ISIS.
What is the entirety of the Northern Raqqa Kurdish Enclave
What is all of the Kurdish villages in South Hasakah
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>>54806608
Lmao this is such bullshit.
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>>54806815
Assad eventually but why would he fight them? They've always lived there and they are a thorn in Erdroach's back.
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>>54799713
That would actually be West Turkmenistan

East Turkestan is in China, but that is a story for another day, my friend
One millet at a time
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>>54806918
>Stop your shitposting.
He's literally getting paid for this. Or he is insane.
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>>54805027
>the islamists parties and their former leaders are banned and exercising politics under a religious cover is technically illegal, but there are still "moderate" islamist parties
>Algeria
>real political parties

You're not fooling anyone
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>>54806930
Kobane Canton is mostly Arab land.

Kobane itself is originally Arab.

What the fuck are you saying? I'm done with you.
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>>54806985
He's paid by the Pentagon to spout that amerilards play a ''huge'' role in the Syrian civil war.
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>>54806948
Because the Kurds also actually started this revolution because of how Assad treated them? Sure Kurds and Assad are working together now, but initially Kurds were on the rebel side to take down Assad, this is before ISIS existed, and Al Qaeda infiltrated Syria

During Assad's pre-war Syria, he tried to push a full on Arab-only Syria, due to his Arab nationalistic stance. He suppressed the Kurdish people, and tried to Arabize them

Kobane was actually called Ayn al-Arab (Place of Arabs)
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>It's a Russian vs USA shitpost thread
eww
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>>54807031
>Kobane canton is mostly Arab land

Completely wrong. Its majority Kurdish. There are many mixed villages but in no way is it "mostly Arab land."

You don't know what you're talking about. I'm done with you.
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>>54807123
He was the one shitposting. I was actually offering proofs to which he only responded with shitposting.
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>>54800303
>expecting me to know the difference between red and green
Stop triggering me
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>>54797928
Assad will win with the opposition/al qaeda and islamic state losing and the kurds maybe gaining some new powers.
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>>54800749
>Interesting how they're anti-assad, but they support Al-Qaeda.

Hows that interesting? Thats exactly what America is doing
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>>54807230
shut up you're just as bad you autistic cunt.
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>>54807349
>the kurds maybe gaining some new powers.
like teleportation or super strength?
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>>54803804
At least 90% of the "refugees" in Europe will stay, especially the ones in Germany and Sweden. The governments there won't be deporting anyone, and they don't even want to.
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>>54807428
Like regional administration and semi-independence
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America has gotten away with supporting Islamic terrorists long enough. Thank you based Russia.
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>not supporting the Islamic State

It's like you don't even want a united Christian Europe to finally crush islam once and for all.
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>>54797928
Sosad will end like Gaddafi. ISIS won't stop. FSA will be removed in nearest future
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Hopefully the Russians power Assad to victory. The Middle East is better off in the hands of dictators than Islamist movements and "rebels".
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>>54807349
All the debates in the US presidential campaign make a huge case of not allowing the US backed rebels in Syria to not lose to ISIS and Assad

As far as I know, the only people that are open to supporting Assad are Trump and Sanders.

The rest (Clinton, Cruz, Bush, Rubio) really want to support a Sunni coalition to take over Syria and remove Assad and ISIS
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>>54807555
>Europe
>Christian

you may only select one
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>>54807555
>united Christan Europe
It never worked.
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>>54807585
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>>54807603
>mfw there are still people on this Earth who think Sunnis aren't the lowest form of scum
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>>54807603
I find it quite funny that we have gone from 9/11 to all of the presidential candidates except two openly supporting al qaeda

Also the rebels have no chance of winning, I have no idea why theyre still supporting them.
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>>54807635
>>54807646
United secular Europe then, whatever. IS is still the greatest thing that ever happened for European nationalism since Germany lost WWI.

And if they win in Syria, the entire Middle East will fall into chaos. Europe will be forced to change its current course or be destroyed.
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>>54807691
>the rebels have no chance of winning

When the Saudis and Turks invade simultaneously, Assad will have absolutely no choice but to surrender most of Syria and defend his Alawite rump state with Russian help.

>inb4 but Russia will bomb the Turks

Nope. Putin isn't that stupid. He only cares about the base in Tartarus, he isn't going to start WW3 trying to help Assad hold onto the Sunni heartlands which loathe him.
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>>54807589
Exactly. They need a firm hand.
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>>54807691
Well one of reasons they aren't winning according to the GOP, is that Obama wasn't serious about helping them
Obama made a red line, that if Assad uses chemweapons, then the US would start missle stikes on Damascus

When the news came out that Assad did chem weapons (allegedly), the US didn't go through with it

But now, it looks like a lot of the candidates are ready for stronger action in Syria, with Saudi sending ground troops in

also my captcha is retarded
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>>54807722
>the entire Middle East will fall into chaos.
i guess they have this vibe since biblical times.
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>>54807871
>But now, it looks like a lot of the candidates are ready for stronger action in Syria, with Saudi sending ground troops in

Someone just fucking nuke the white house please
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>>54807806
Russia WILL bomb the Turks and Iran is going to join them. They care about the base, the government and everything about Syria.
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>>54807946
You can see their position though, the USA has been strongly and staunchly supporting the rebels since before ISIS even existed (when it was just ISI).

And all the evidence (fabricated or otherwise) of Assad's regime actually torturing hundreds of thousands of civilians over a decade, isn't just going to be forgotten. People don't just hate Assad for no reason

>>54808008
Russia has a naval and airforce base in Latakia. Any solution with Syria will definitely involve the Alawites still controlling the Latakia costal region, meaning Russia's interests in the region is secured
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>>54804975
>Your campaign against ISIS is a joke.

>what is the kuweires military airbase
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>>54808008
Putin knows when to cut his losses, look at Eastern Ukraine.

>They care about the base, the government and everything about Syria

Syria as a state no longer exists. Russia doesn't give two shits about the Syrian people, geopolitics 101. They care about the base and preserving the coastal regions under the control of Assad. The East of Syria is a lost cause at this point. Nothing short of a full-scale Russian invasion (which would be completely unacceptable) can allow Assad to regain control of the entire of Syria, and even then it would be precarious and would fall apart as soon as the Russians left.

Besides, why would he bomb the Turks? Let them take over IS and Rebel held parts of Syria, they will be mauled by IS and held down for years in that quagmire.
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>>54797928
Good job starting a shit posting war almost as big as the actual war.

Honestly, the Kurds are going to win territories in Iraq, Syria, and probably Turkey due to the UN forcing the Turks to give up the land. Nobody except for those countries and some irrelevant island nation that thinks it matters really hates or directly opposes Kurdistan. As for the civil war, it's really too much of a mess to tell, but eventually the US is going to deploy soldiers and it's gonna probably be in support of the rebels.
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ISIS is losing ground, thanks mostly to Russia and Assads forces
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>>54805645
You can find pretty good discussions on /k/s Syria general.
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>>54804975
Unlike the US government, the Russian government isn't short-sighted. They realize that without the Syrian government, Syria would just be another Libya. The US is trying to channel IS into the Syrian government in order to make Syria crumble. Once the "moderate" insurgents are defeated, it will be possible for the Syrian government to completely defeat IS.

And after all this time the US says "Assad must go!" They really want another Libya.
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>>54808200
>they will be mauled by IS and held down for years in that quagmire.
you don't actually believe this shit, right?

A direct attack on Syria will drag in Iran, and therefore Russia.
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If you don't support Assad and Hezbollah, you're literally a sunni monkey or jew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaJPaPFXx80

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V1UT_rNbSI
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>>54805661
Fuck off cockroach, kurds are based.
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>>54808303
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxFyPZdPAO0
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>>54807260

lel hang in there shit eyes.

>>54807387

I meant Israel.
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The SAA/NDF are making huge gains on every front. It's a matter of weeks before rebel-held area of Aleppo is put under siege, after that it's only Idlib and the IS-held territories left.

The Syrian government will likely have to concede autonomy to the Syrian Kurds, but other than that they will be the inevitable victor.
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Question:

Why has the USA spent millions of dollars in funding Syrian opposition groups since 2006? It's almost like they were preparing for regime change.
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>>54808339

>We milk the goat even if it is male
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>>54808257
>Libya
What's wrong with Lybia now?
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>>54808444
Because Syria is part of the Russian sphere of influence. It is standing NATO (USA) policy to contain Russian influence to Russian borders. Regime change is a favorite method of theirs.
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>>54808294
>A direct attack on Syria will drag in Iran, and therefore Russia.

What? Why would Iran do that? They can't hold the Sunni regions of Syria, not in a million years, and they don't want to. Understand, this is about saving Assad and the coastal Shia regions. Syria is lost. There can be no attack on Syria, only on the Assadist region and the Turkish/Saudi coalition would be careful to avoid that. They would move into Eastern and Northern Syria, establish a "safe zone" and Assad would be forced to accept a de facto partitioning of Syria. His army is spent, Iran has been propping him up for too long and is also spent. Russia has no interest in keeping Assad in control of all of Syria.

You seem to think Russia has some obligation towards Iran. They don't, Iran has been a pariah state for a very long time. They're working together in Syria because their interests happen to align, but Russia does not like Iran. They will not attack NATO for them.
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>>54808488
Libya's in chaos, controlled by Tribes, Gangs, and loyalists to the former regime. ISIS also controls parts of it. NATO really fucked that country up.
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>>54808488
America got rid of its boogeyman that Gaddafi was so now Libya is a stateless islamist shithole that's about to be taken over by ISIS.
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>>54808531
What are you talking about?

The dictator is dead. It's a free and liberal democracy now.
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looks like Assad's making some headway

what happens when Turkey makes the inevitable incursion
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>>54807871

German Intelligence confirms Assad was not responsible: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/08/syria-chemical-weapons-not-assad-bild
MIT Study: Physically impossible for Assad loyalists to have used chemical weapons. https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1006045/possible-implications-of-bad-intelligence.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8z-Ge4B06M

Ambassador to UN calls April 2014 gas attack 'unsubstantiated': http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/13/syria-chemical-weapon-gas-attack-unconfirmed-ambassador In fact it's the rebels who are using chemical weapons, sometimes with aid from Turkey: Testimony from UN that rebels are using chem weapons: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE94409Z20130505?irpc=932 Rebels caught with Turkish Tekkim products used to make chemical weapons: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95d_1369914320 Rebels captured with Sarin at Turkish border: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/explosives-seized-at-syria-border.aspx?pageID=238&nid=48064 And again rebels captured with Sarin: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/un-adds-al-nusra-to-sanctions-blacklist.aspx?pageID=238&nid=47985 Syrian radical Muslim rebels displaying their stockpile of Tekkim products and testing out poisonous gas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXn39KqxxtE
Iraq captures Jihadi rebels attempting to make chemical weapons: http://news.sky.com/story/1098214/iraq-smashes-al-qaeda-poison-gas-cell Additional sources: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-syrian-rebels-made-used-sarin-nerve-gas/
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>>54808367
>Idlib and the IS-held territories left
>only the largest and most staunchly anti-Assad part of Syria left
>only the region where the leader of Nusra comes from left
>only the overwhelmingly Sunni parts left
>only the most unified group in the rebel movement left

This is how stupid you sound.
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>>54808562
In theory it is, but it's a power vacuum. Everyone's trying to gain more power there. It's a shithole.
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>>54808444
Even fucking Al Qaeda knew there would be war in Syria in 2005, you can bet the CIA knew long before.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html
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>>54808562
And a complete failed state
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>>54808582

I'm really curious on what will Iran do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCr88bssuTc

They already have active men on the battlefield in Syria.
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>>54808583
Delete this.
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>>54808531
Sounds like typical Africa for me. At least they're not run by crazy dictator now
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>>54808674

it's a shitshow of multiple nationalities right now

I almost don't want it to end, a perpetual battleground of mercenaries and renegades
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>>54808698
True, but it will take decades and much bloodshed for things to straighten out, if they ever do. We all know the middle east was always a place of constant war or tribal conflicts. They all hate eachother.
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>>54808638
Also of interest

>The Fourth Phase Between 2010 and 2013, Hussein writes that al-Qaida will aim to bring about the collapse of the hated Arabic governments. The estimate is that "the creeping loss of the regimes' power will lead to a steady growth in strength within al-Qaida." At the same time attacks will be carried out against oil suppliers and the US economy will be targeted using cyber terrorism.
>article written in 2005

Proof if it was ever needed that the Arab Spring was never about democracy.
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>>54808638
I remember the time when al-Zarqawi(who executed Nick Berg and all of the others - RIP) was the only relevant terrorist along with of course Ossama, al-Zawairi and that american fatsoe who joined the Talibans, Bryan or Ryan something, whatever.

Now we are stuck with fucking ISIS and its beta uprising teenage fights. I'm not sure if it's a ''What a time to be alive'' era or ''Fuck this shitty era I want to go back to 1998 when we were all peaceful and we all had dial-up internet'' era.
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>>54808725

I believe Iran will get into this war too desu.

They already want to fuck with SA anyway.
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>>54808816
Iran is already in this war. They're the one who keep Syria financially afloat, and they have troops in the country. They also train Iraqi and Afghan Shias and ship them to the Syrian front to fight.
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>>54808816
I don't think you understand how proxy wars work.
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>>54808531
I know a kremlinbot when I see one. Lybia is a peaceful and prosperous democracy. And the same fate awaits Syria, once the regime, backed by Russian airstrikes, is inevitably defeated by moderate rebels.
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>>54808583
>believing russian propaganda
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>>54808880
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>>54808880
>Lybia is a peaceful and prosperous democracy.
http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-isis-libya-20160208-story.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/12146453/Libyas-central-bank-causing-civil-war-by-paying-warring-militias-says-UK-envoy.html

http://time.com/4211651/tunisia-barrier-militants-libya/

Yeah, peaceful and prosperous...
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>>54808856
>>54808866

I was talking about when Turkey and SA invades Syria after the war senpaitachi.
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>>54809136
Iran would only get more involved if the Turks/SA try and take over Eastern/Southern Iraq or Western Syria, which they won't.
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>>54797928
>Which faction involved do you think will come out victorious?

the jews ofc
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>>54808556
>stateless islamist shithole that's about to be taken over by ISIS.
>things the modern colony said
Do you understand that when Queeny dies she will be replaced by postmodern multicultural jihadists that will dominate shariah on whole commonwealth? Just google proclamation of 1982
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>>54808583
talking about the torture m8
and the shit he did before the civil war even started
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>>54809612
Nah, if that happens we will just become a Republic, like we should have done long ago. After Lizzy dies (God forbid) but it will happen, I think we should abolish any ties to the monarch.
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>>54808750
Is this from that Awakening, Opening the Eyes, Standing Up thingie? Shit's kind of uncanny, if a bit behind schedule.
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>>54809612
I'll take it to the woods before that happens bud.
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>>54799650
>and solved all of this
They'd just proceed to war each other. Turkey will destroy Iraq and Syria before it let's Kurdistan exist I'm pretty sure.
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Kobane has been pretty much the only western success in this whole debacle, and I'm 100% sure it will backfire when Kurds inevitably refuse to give the land back and go independent.
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>>54808750
Tunisia is doing alright
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>>54806815
Assad just wants to carve a viable state. Kurds can keep their land.
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>>54810311
and all the sunni parts?
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>>54800548
>americans
Nah, just Hussein, Shillary and friends
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>>54797928
>Do you think it will come to an end in the foreseeable future?
It will last through the end of this year at least
>Which faction involved do you think will come out victorious?
Syrian government obviously, whether Assad will last after a peace settlement is unclear. The non-ISIS insurgents are being rolled up fast and then it will be Assad vs. ISIS which was the plan all along. The kurds are strong enough they should be able to make a sovereign state or have self rule like in Iraq.
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>>54808257
It's not that our government is short-sighted, it's that they make more money off of ruined countries than functional ones, especially when those countries might oppose them.
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Moderate rebels of course :^)
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>>54801380
Yes and Russia supports Iran and we support Saudi cancer
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>>54810552
I'll admit between 2011 and 2013, I thought the rebels were going to win

Then 2013-2016 I was 100% sure Assad is definately going to win
The minute the rebels started fighting each other, it was a victory for Assad

But now as of 2016, seeing Turkey and Saudi possibly sending troops in, I am doubtful
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>>54797928
who could possibly benefit from such a terrible a costly war.


http://www.businessinsider.com/israel-grants-golan-heights-oil-license-2013-2
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