Why do European countries that don't speak their own language exist?
Even Luxembourg speaks its own language.
>Why do European countries that don't speak their own language exist?
>Why do European countries that don't speak their own language exist?
Last I checked United States is not located in Europe. Last I checked, Portugal's portuguese is being overrun by Brazilian portuguese.
You cucks, don't have a say in your own language anymore. SHUT THE FUCK UP
I'm not the loser who doesn't even have his own language.
there are more Brazilians than there are Portuguese. Lots of words are being influenced mainly because of that. You cucks will be saying brazilian Portuguese words in no time, that i why you hate them. Been there, you fucking despise the Brazilians.
it depends, Brazilian portuguese sounds laid back slower and easier to understand.
European Portuguese is faster and the S sounds are different. I like how European Portuguese sounds but it is too fast.
Up to 1500 years ago they also most likely spoke Gaulish here (most old city and river names of that time confirm this), but hey, for some reason Celtic languages were extremely prone towards extinction - Gaulish got overrun by Germanic in S Germany and Italic in France, Spain and N Italy, while it got replaced by English on the Isles
Why is Slovakia or whatever second-rate slavic shithole you happen to be from, pretending to be a country?
>resurrect a dead language
Irish has grown in number of speakers in the last two consecutive censuses, Mario.
Ignore that dumb cunt, he's a Brit on vacation. I am actively learning Irish, and I've already convinced family and a friend to learn it.
Explain how. My ancestors came here in the Plantations. If anyone's a cuck it's you.
>do you want ireland to """""""""""""unite""""""""""""" with england again?
Not especially. Why?
irish still exists today
and german will be replaced by arabic in 10 yeaes
then fuck off and leave my country
why do anglofaggots like you stick around if you hate ireland so much
>He's from Slovenia
Literally couldn't give less of a fuck about your poor backwater shitholes.
>both Slovak and Slovene have more speakers than your national language.
We have two national languages. It's literally in our Constitution that our first official tongue is Gaeilge, followed by English.
Slovakia/GDP per capita
18,046.84 USD (2013)
Slovenia/GDP per capita
23,289.34 USD (2013)
Republic of Ireland/GDP per capita
50,503.42 USD (2013)
Go back to your commie block, faggot.
Do you know what national language means?
"A national language is a language (or language variant, e.g. dialect) that has some connection—de facto or de jure—with a people and the territory they occupy. The term is used variously. A national language may for instance represent the national identity of a nation or country."
We have two national languages you stupid cunt.
>He speaks butchered Serbo-Croatian
If butchering Serbo-Croatian means all the Persian and Albanian loanwords and retaining difficult old Slavic cases and consonant clusters instead of just going with what sounds the easiest, then I'm proud to say I'm a butcher of the Illyrian language.
Probably closer to half that.
But around 40% claim to be able to speak it in some capacity.
Why are you so fucking poor?
That's what we call "de jure". English is a de facto national language, and Irish speakers have actually fewer rights in courts under precedents.
Did you see that clip on yt where a man goes around Dublin coffee shops trying to order a cup of tea in Irish and can't get service anywhere cause none of the staff understand him? Kek.
That's the one. Tho to be fair, the presenter of no bearla speaks a terribly posh English accent and an markedly anglicised Irish, so he's just thumbing his nose at Dublin's poor and uneducated in a way. I understand, it's a tragedy when what was your ancestors' native tongue not 200 years ago becomes a curio for the plane-hopping upper middle class to distinguish themselves with even further from the plebes.
It's preferable to be as poor as Zimbabwe as long as you actually speak your country's language. Where I come from, people who don't speak the national language are automatically foreigners.
>more than 90% of the citizens of his country are foreigners
But you don't speak old Illyrian or Raetic or whatever was the main language in your region 2000 years ago either, but an "invaders' language", just like we do (Germanic instead of Celtic), at which point do you cut it off?
>Tho to be fair, the presenter of no bearla speaks a terribly posh English accent and an markedly anglicised Irish, so he's just thumbing his nose at Dublin's poor and uneducated in a way.
His family were wealthy Nationalists, his name is Manchán. If you can't speak Irish, you deserve to be ridiculed.
>outside the gaeltacht you have to look for irish speakers
That was the entire point of the fucking show.
>It's preferable to be as poor as Zimbabwe as long as you actually speak your country's language
What a stupid thing to say. Do poor people actually believe this? Kek.
I of course don't claim to understand a word of Irish, but I've listened to many songs in the language and can presumably tell whether the pronunciation is native of English. This nationalist son's Irish doesn't seem like it is used in everyday conversation, but instead like something more akin to spoken Latin.
Dara O'Briain speaks Irish with the same accent as he does English, I don't think you can really judge someone on how they speak Irish when there isn't a true "standard" to hold it to.
>Good thing I'm not poor.
For a Slav, maybe.
ahahaha croatia we are coming for you you are the worst turksmell yugoslav war crimes best day of my life ahahaha
Austrians are a mix of Bavarians and germanised Slovenes.
The others are not closely related to us at all.
*native or English
This. Whenever I suggested that Ireland is a Germanic nation in threads, I've been called a bad troll. It's strange that this Germanic identity is taboo even in the case of Scotland, which has had a thoroughly Germanic ethno-linguistic makeup for 300 years now - on the one hand, Celtic languages are everywhere marginalized, but on the other, British Celtic identity is lionised in equal measure. It must be true what Žižek said about colonialists being fascinated with keeping the cultures they've subdued intact and authentic.
Why are you making up shit, anon?
Austrians are literally Germanized Slavs and we have practically nothing in common with Albanians or Italians.
>butthurt germanised Slav/Red Army rape baby detected
So, which one is it?
The map shows that we are in fact genetically the closest to Hungarians, even closer than we are to Croats (whose composition is in turn oriented to the southeast), which is odd considering that Croatia was a part of Hungary for 1000 years and we were under Germany.
You both better stahp
I'm talking about autosomal DNA, in which Slovenia clusters exactly where you expect it to regionally, see
>theres are standards, theyre just dialectal.
His Irish is no less "imperfect" than Dara's.
Kill yourself you poor cunt.
>Whenever I suggested that Ireland is a Germanic nation in threads
Because it isn't Germanic you autistic thunder cunt. Our culture has nothing in common with Germanic countries. Even those who speak English, still watch Gaelic football, celebrate Halloween, play Hurling. To define a culture /solely/ upon the language is retarded.
What you are calling slavs are in fact two distinct groups. Slavs and Slovenes (+add the rest of the copy pasta)
ireand is not really germanic. our identity is still thoroughly gaelic
austrians were celts originally
Is this you pretending to know what you'er talking about?
>Hurr durr you're closer to Italians and Albanians
>no, the fact you literally share paternal ancestors with Russians but barely do with Italians or Albanians means nothing
[email protected] and your "clusters" for ants.
tl;dr, things like "Slavic" or "Germanic" are just linguistic groupings, not genetic or cultural ones. We here on the left side Upper Rhine are culturally and genetically much closer to NE France (even excluding Elsaß-Lothringen) than we are to Sweden, in the same way Slovenia is closer to Italy and Austria than it is to Russia
The most nationally important sport in Slovenia is ski jumping, but that doesn't make us Norwegian, and neither does the love of hockey make Czechs Canadian, you rather extraordinarily silly chap.
There's two of us ITT, I'm the one saying you shouldn't value Y-DNA (1 single gonosome) only so much but rather look at full autosomal DNA (22 autosome pairs)
Y-DNA can be very misleading, see pic related
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Slavs, is in fact, Slovenes and Slavs, or as I've recently taken to calling it, masterrace and slavshits. Slavs are not an ethnic group unto itself, but merely a linguistic group made useful by based Slovenes, a vital group thanks to which Europe exists.
Many /int/ users mistake Slovenes for Slavs every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the Slovene group is often called "Slavs", and many of /int/olerants are not aware that it is basically the Slovenes, a Central European masterrace.
There really are Slavs, but Slovenes are no part of it. Slovenes are different, much more civilized and stuff. This is essential for you to realize. Slavs often include Slovenes, but basically it's Slavs with Slovenes added. All the so called "Kajkavian Slavs" are really Slovenes.
>haha a piece of your culture doesn't count as a piece of your culture because we play sports other people do!
Nobody else plays Gaelic or Hurling, it is an inherently Irish thing.
Shut the fuck up you little cockroach.
So please tell me what you share more with Russia than with NE Italy or Austria, besides language.
Cuisine? Traditional architecture? Vegetation and climate? Mindset? Other cultural things? Religion? I don't think so
OK I admit you were stuffed in the same political system from 1945-90 and therefore maybe share the existence of commieblocks, but beyond that?
Subclades are better, but still not as meaningful as aDNA
*tips solyanka and borsht while going to banya squatting*
pic related, traditional central Slovenian winter hat with dormouse pelts and illustration of early modern century winter attire
It's nice to know you're an idiot and aren't even aware we weren't "shoved in the same political system"
Besides, you're the one that put forward the retarded claim of "you're closer to Italians and Albanians than to Russians".
>Subclades are better, but still not as meaningful as aDNA
Ah, yes, the fact ~30% of the population literally shares their paternal ancestry with the population in the modern Russian-Ukranian border is irrelevant, right?
>So please tell me what you share more with Russia than with NE Italy or Austria, besides language.
Yeah, beside literally one of the most important things, right? What the fuck do we share with Italy? What the fuck do we share with Albanians or Venetians, you fucking idiot?
No shit, a major part of them are literally germanized Slavs, fucking 2nd largest city is Graz and there's hunderds of slavic toponyms there.
My ethnicity is perfect, thank you very much.
I told you before, Austrians are germanised Slovenes.
The way he speaks Irish bothers me. I'm not certain if it was him himself, but I did hear "Holy Roman Empire" used in the middle of an Irish sentence on the television once. It's awkward and unnecessary because an Irish name exists.
>looking up random Slovenian village on Google Earth
Yeah totally looks like Russia
2bh, Austria~Slovenia is a transitional region between the Celto-Germanic, Balkanic and Italic peoples/cultures, which shows in genetics, cultures and phenotypes. Lots of Dinarid and East Med influence, but barely any East Baltid as in Russia
Also "paternal ancestry" means shit, it can literally be 1/32768 (after only 15 generations, i.e. 300-500 years) with the rest being someone else
Bad luck is what the women in Kőln had a month ago.
A bunch of countries that have their "own" language only because they call their country's dialect a "language". At least we actually have a reasonably distinct language even if it's not widely spoken tbqhwyfam.
>Austria~Slovenia is a transitional region between the Celto-Germanic, Balkanic and Italic peoples/cultures, which shows in genetics, cultures and phenotypes.
And yet no mention of our Slavic heritage, which is strange considering that Slovenian is the most grammatically conservative of the Slavic languages and that much of our vocabulary has counterparts in Russian ad Polish that are not shared with Serbo-Croatian. So the cultural bit at least does not hold.
>look at my argument change from genetic to "this village is totally like Albania guys, despite not being even remotely close to any Albanian village ever".
>this is totally representative of a"village" though, not like there are several types of villages or anything
Yes, you're an idiot. Pic realated, Russians, LITERALLY THE FARTHEST SLAVS full of fucking finnic admixture are still closer to us than Italians and Albanians and only slightly further than Austrians.
> Austria~Slovenia is a transitional region between the Celto-Germanic, Balkanic and Italic peoples/cultures
Yeah, we just started speaking Slavic by accident aroung the 6-10th century, ain't that right uncle Adolf.
TL;DR You're an idiot.
Icelandic is the most conservative Germanic language, yet they're genetically half Celtic (Scottish/Irish)
Meh I hold my point, you do generally share some things with Russia, Ukraine etc because being generally Eastern European, but overall you're still in most aspects closer to Austria, Hungary, Crotia, Serbia and Italy than to Russia
Are Nigerians, Chinese Singaporeans/Hong Kongers and Indians who speak English natively North-Western Europeans?
Our culture is really shit, it's just awful. I wish it could all be forgotten and we could just be acknowledged as part of the USA.
Nobody likes anything about this country, everyone is miserable. People live in a land with one of the highest standards of living on the planet and still emigrate because of the shitty culture, lack of identity and no association with whatever ideals we're supposed to have. It's just a disaster, we need somebody except the British to just take us over and absorb us into their culture. Then we'd be happy.
This PCA is old as fuck though, I linked you to a newer one a few posts back, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQV1VNT2dzSUl0RDQ/edit
I even did some groupings with this PCA (pic related) but didn't include Slovenia because there were only 4 or so samples, but those fell within the northern Croatian/Hungarian/SE German cluster
Also we have both your and Russian immigrants here, and while the Russians look clearly East Asian-shifted, you look more like intermediates of Austro-Bavarians and Croats
Two reasons for that
>1. A lot of the recordings of Irish are from people who are native English speakers
>2. Irish accents being associated with speaking English rather than Irish
>Are Nigerians, Chinese Singaporeans/Hong Kongers and Indians who speak English natively North-Western Europeans?
Their language is received and thus not productive - it slavishly follows the standard set by the coloniser. Whereas our language in regards to Russian is a co-derivative from a common source, where all the old commonalities have been subjected to shifts specific to each of the two derivatives and may thus not even be plainly recognisable without scrutiny, such as are our occasional Slav threads where we have a lot of fun with Poles and Russians in finding common words, whereupon you are compelled to remember archaisms you picked up from high school lit. And that's the beauty of speaking an authentically native language, as /pol/ as this sounds.
they're not "celtic" languages, Ireland was never settled by the celts. Gaelic is more accurate, as it's very close to scots Gaelic also, though that doesn't cover it's relation to Welsh(if somewhat distant) and Manx.
Ledinsko ime. Maybe 40% of Slovenian surnames are in the mould of 'a natural feature of the plot of land your ancestors owned' + ending:
ravine + affix
hilltop + affix
ravine (or the depths) + affix
You're losing the run of yourself here. They are Celtic languages because they're in the same family as the languages spoken by the Celts. Irish linguistically comes directly from a Celtic source, same with Welsh.
>whereupon you are compelled to remember archaisms you picked up from high school lit
Wut, of course more distant language groups will have you look harder for cognates, like when comparing Germanic to Celtic, Italic or Slavic. However, if you want a more "organically grown" example, compare Indian language speakers to Basque ones. Indians, while being genetically half Australoid, still speak an IE language while Basques which are genetically very close to their surrounding people don't. Or Hungarians - genetically and culturally closer to South Slavs, West Slavs and to some extant Austrians - yet their language is closest to that of some mixed Eurasian people in Russian Siberia (Khanty/Mansy), even Finns are more distant ethno-culturally to them than the aforementioned groups
tl;dr, language doesn't determine ethnicity
>I linked you to a newer one a few posts back
In other words: "Yours is wrong but I linked you to a picture for ants even though it includes a total of 1(one) Slovenia sample but trust me lmao". Pic related is the single Slovenian one, closer to a fucking Ukranian ones than to an Austrian/German one.
Even if taking your word for it, which I'm not as you're retarded, your pic related contradicts you, you fucking idiot or do you see Croatian/Hungarian being closer to fucking N Italian or Russian?
>Also we have both your and Russian immigrants here, and while the Russians look clearly East Asian-shifted, you look more like intermediates of Austro-Bavarians and Croats
Just, lel, just with every new sentence you manage to get dumber, congratulations you fucking idiot. Stop pretending you ever meet a Slovenian
literally mingling a little hitler skull measurement with genetics at this point. Cause, yeah, totally dude, you're analogies are right and Croats, Austrians and Bavarians have this typical look to them, amirite? No, they don't you imbecile, if you were ever in Dalmatia and then in fucking Medzimurje you'd see the fucking difference in Croatia alone.
You only think that because we only held onto the shitty remnants of our culture. A lot of what you're talking about is exactly because of the americanisation of our culture - partly in trying to be american, and partly because the US appropriated our culture and sold it back to us(Paddy's day etc.)
Irish culture is more than just Diddly-eye, rainy weather and drunken-ness. But unfortunately a lot of it's been forgotten.
That's an occupational surname that's effectively a patronyms. Occupational names are quite common as well Our Kowalski is Kovačič, then you have Mlinar or Mlinarič (Milner), Kolar/Kolarič (Wag(o)ner), etc.
I've been to Dalmatia several times actually (which has an Italian flair), admittedly only drove through Zagreb region and Slovenia on my way there
But from that alone, to me landscape/architecture looks pretty much the same between Zagreb and Bavaria
And yes, you do not look like fucking Russians as much as you wish, period, pic related, average Russian look, I've never seen a Balkanite with such features. Maybe if you import 100000 Chinese and racemix with them then in 200 years you'll look like them
Oh and I won't stop you from being a Putin- or USSR-boo, you probably have your reasons
You're correct but what it is what it is. We're never going to dispell myths or rediscover what it means to be Irish, most are quite happy to be the drunken Paddy and this will continue.
>And yes, you do not look like fucking Russians as much as you wish, period, pic related, average Russian look,
Russians are not fucking Karelians and Ingrians, that was never the heartland of Russia you retard. Did you even read the description of your pic you fucking idiot? I love your fucking cherry picking, it's hilarious.
> I've never seen a Balkanite with such features
Because there is no such thing as a balkanite, imbecile.
>Oh and I won't stop you from being a Putin- or USSR-boo, you probably have your reasons
Yes, literally proving you wrong is being a putin or ussrboo. You're an imbecile, that fucking simple. Your own maps prove you wrong and once you failed with that you resort to fucking personal analogies "I totally saw this and that and it's like this" because you're a god damn idiot.
Literal genetics prove you wrong.
go suck a fairy cock or something
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this is you
>i disagree with you
>y-youre wrong cos you arent irish so u dont know
>heh, you might be irish but youre not really irish! only irish people can disagree!
>hah, you think living in ireland makes you immune to my trickery? you have been cucked my friend! cucked by diaspora!
literal damage control
lmaoing @ ur life
how about we bring it closer to home for you nigel?