>>54034574 He only flip flopped on issues like gun control and abortion, and issues like that have no chance of getting through the Republican Congress (Mainstream Republican, not alt-right aka Trump).
>>54034791 >Mexicans It's not Mexicans exactly, at least not for me. They just make up the largest percentage of illegal immigrants(and consequently use a disproportionate amount of welfare) >Muslims Security/cultural incompatibility issue, there's already a community in Michigan that has decided to live under Shariah law >He will make America great again Really, if all he does is does away with some of the shitty regulations, I'll be happy >America is the greatest country in the world Definitely not the best anymore, but it's good enough
>>54035142 Ahmad plz, there's plenty of proof out there on how shit Muslims are. Part of that is how they all run away from Muslim countries but complain how the none Muslim countries they ran too ate the bad ones
>>54035550 >Let me try to rephrase: I don't like the religion of Islam. But the people are ok
You fucking stupid m8, the only thing you had to say is ''Muslims here adapt'' which is true for the most part, they get americanized as I don't see muslims rioting on the streets about Allah like they are doing in Europe
>>54035334 I don't know what's scarier, that you'd deliberately pretend to be retarded, or that you'd find that so many people would unironically agree with the caricature of an opinion that you are presenting.
>>54035752 military spending is a boost to the economy though in this same regard, Reagan's economic policy was actually heavily Keynesian (which is ironic since a lot of leftists accuse him of the opposite)
>>54035612 You're the one projecting here, everyone who deals with Muslims has had enough of them.
>>54035618 How could we not? They attack Jews everywhere, are the most anti Semitic people, kicked Jews out of their land and made then go to Israel but cry when the same shit happens to them. They hypocritical savages who force their views on everyone. Also anytime they get land they try to get more land. Pakistan was made to be Muslim India, then they got Bangladesh too, now they want Kashmir. Albania exists, yet the same people want Kosovo and now part of Macedonia. Malaysia and Indonesia exist, yet the same race Muslims want islands off the Philippines and Thailand. Jordan was made for Palestinians, there they are majority, Gaza is free from us and they are majority, but they still cry free Palestine and want West Bank. They want to cuck the world to Arab culture and undue all the progress of the world. They go everywhere but other Muslim places and want to make those places more like the shitholes they escaped from. They rape women, boys and children. They're uneducated, loud, intolerant, violent and crime causing people. How many more reasons do I need?
>>54035919 >Boost to the economy If the arms companies are domestic, the government is using tax dollars to buy arms which just circulates the money around and doesn't produce any value. The government also provides fewer jobs than the free market alternative
If the government buys arms from foreign markets, as the US government does in most cases, it's actually bleeding money out of the domestic market.
>>54035703 No, only leftist communist Jews do that. Regular Jews hate that because it just increased Muslim anti Semitic violence against Jews, makes it easier for anti Israel parties to get in everywhere, and pushes European Jews here increasing living prices even more.
>>54036187 I agree, I was only pointing out the inconsistencies in the Bernie crowd ideology. Because those people think that government spending in economy = good, but at the same time want to decrease military spending.
>>54036152 Plz don't turn into Europe and keep Muslims out ally
>>54036194 No and kind of. I don't hate them unless they defend them from western flags, that ones that still follow Muslim tradition but are secular are fine but those are very very few. I mean how can I not hate someone who's prophet was literally a gay pedophile rapist war lord? People who defend this religion are either morons, evil, or never read their own book and neither of those deserve respect.
>>54036217 Also this, you can give them free medicine, education, quality of life better then almost all Muslims and jobs and they'll still side with other Muslims against you each time. It happened here with Arab Israelis committing terror against U.S. and siding with the Palestinians when they live great lives here they wouldn't enjoy else where
>>54036571 as much as I hate the kikes, the muslims actually did kick the jews out of their land making them choose between jizzya & 2nd class citizenship, conversion or death is not really an argument in the muslims' favor
>>54035019 >United States of America is a White Christian country >America is the only country where White Aryan Man can be truly Free.
Jesus fucking Christ where did you get your idea of America, /pol/ propaganda? America is supposed to a melting pot of cultures, races, and religions. Why do you think it got so diverse and multicultural in the first place? Fucking retard lmfao
How dumb are you? They kicked 850,00 middle eastern Jews out of their countries to Israel, after stealing all their stuff. This resulted in Israel being filled with extremely poor mizrahi Jews that needed a lot of help. Then these same faggots cry about Israel taking their land when we provide them with water, inferstructure, education, jobs, and medicine. Fuck them all
>>54036720 >melting pot of cultures The SJWs are putting an end to this idea. Apparently making immigrants accept freedom of religion, speech, and association while still retaining their overall culture is oppression.
go to brazil and experience true niggershit multicultural hellhole
america was meant to be europe 2.0 but with less taxes. all that nonsense you wrote about mixing was meant to be inter-european assimilation. america was NOT meant to be some impoverished stripmall of africa, latin america, and asian like you freaks are trying to turn it into
>>54036720 The US was settled and founded by Anglo-Saxon Protestants who came here to freely practice their religion.
The melting pot came later, but it doesn't exist anymore. It worked in the early 20th Century, when immigration to the US was strictly controlled and limited to European countries. People who could assimilate and become American easier. They were expected to learn English, and they told their children to speak English.
But the Hart-Celler Act removed the restrictions and changed everything. Now the vast majority of people we get are poor people, who aren't expected to assimilate or even learn English.
People nowadays are essentially divided into ethnic groups or neighborhoods. Heard of white flight? White people tend to leave areas where too many immigrants come in.
>>54036995 >Proof? The fact that Europeans founded and created this nation, kicked off all of the Indians who were living here so we could build a great nation, and then for the next 200 years, had explicit legislation that made it nearly impossible for nonwhites to move here.
>protip: the ONLY reason we're becoming nonwhite is because JFK decided to destroy our sane immigration laws in the late 1960s
>>54036897 jews were kicked out by everyone What happened in the 7th and 8th century when Islam spread from the Arabian peninsula into the Levant? All "infidels" were converted, killed, or pushed into the millet system.
>>54037236 Yep and this was before western help and with old weapons only Czechs would sell us while facing sanctions. After this the west started supporting us because like most smart countries they support the winners.
>>54036996 I have serious doubts about the Holocaust (from a historical science perspective — a lot of the sources don't add up at all — not an ideological one) and the way in which jews continually play the Holocaust I find disgusting. In addition to that, I absolutely despise the hypocrisy in leftist European/US jews; neomarxist/frankfurt school thought for Europe while Israel gets to be an ethnostate. I am aware that not all jews are part of some global conspiracy to destroy white Europeans; but that being said, the jewish presence in the groups actively pushing for "progressive" bullshit is far too high to be a coincidence.
>>54037430 political correctness is like a sort of trading card game. the race card and the imperialism card beats everything. that's why white women need to be sacrificed on the pillars of multiculturalism. because it's 2016.
>>54037430 No logic or critical thinking, the media says Muslims are poor oppressed brownies and they eat that shit up. Whenever you show them evil in Islam they go with "b-but Christians too" and when show them all the shit they pull, they responded with "because they're oppressed/because evul white made them rapists"
>>54037430 I'm mostly talking about the tumblr-tier SJWs. Honestly, it all boils down to white-guilt and the feeling that they have to do this so that they aren't the evil, racist, misogynistic white people that everyone thinks they are. They're willing to let Muslims bring Shariah to the west so that they aren't thought of as Nazis
>>54037536 Fair enough, the holocaust was exaggerated but not just by Jews. All the allies. And I hate leftist Jews just as much as you, same with Israelis. Leftist Jews and Israeli Jews actually don't get along. The Jewish presence in these groups imo is because there they are minorities and college educated and brainwashed to be lefty so for those reasons they identify with minorities and act like commie retards.
>>54037564 Bullshit, Muslims always killed Jews. There's verses in the Quran and Hadith about it.
>>54037690 But those same leftists will drop all knowledge about how terrible Islam is once someone says something mean to a Muslim.
I want you to think about how perverse the Left's relationship with Islam is. A leftist will always side with Muslims over their own. Always. Anyone who speaks out will be eaten alive. It doesn't even matter if that person is someone who grew up under Islamic persecution. It is politically incorrect to defend yourself from a medieval barbarism.
>>54037564 Qur'an sura Al-Ma'idah ayah 32: "Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors." 33: "Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment," [34 & 35 is just "Allah is awesome"] 36: "Indeed, those who disbelieve - if they should have all that is in the earth and the like of it with it by which to ransom themselves from the punishment of the Day of Resurrection, it will not be accepted from them, and for them is a painful punishment" 37: "They will wish to get out of the Fire, but never are they to emerge therefrom, and for them is an enduring punishment." and then it goes on about how horrible jews are on how to punish them
Hating jews is essential to Islam doctrine, it was never a reaction to jewish aggression.
>>54038549 Can't remember the verse but google it. First thing Muhammad did when he got followers was slaughter Jews. There's also a Hadith about how the rocks and trees will show the Muslims where every Jew is hiding and the Muslims will then slaughter all of them. Muslims also supported hitler who called Islam the real facist religion and my family was from Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan and told me before they met them people there legit thought Jews were shape shifting horned creatures. Anti semetism in the Arab world, google it and find the proofs yourself
>>54038108 No. People point to the Nordic Model as the ideal form of socialism, but those countries overwhelmingly reject the term socialism. They have insane levels of income tax(I think Denmark's is upper 50's, feel free to correct me) but their corporate taxes are lower than the US.
However, the relatively low levels of personal wealth accumulation means that people are less likely to have children, which means that they have to import workers to support the aging population (See Sweden for details)
Poverty was decreasing relatively quickly in the US before we implemented Johnson's Great Society at which point more people became reliant on welfare which shot up and maintained poverty levels. Clinton's reform of the welfare system in the 90's meant that more people couldn't draw upon unemployment. Magically, these people were able to find jobs once they had an incentive to.
Welfare does nothing to increase the strength of the economy/availability of jobs. It simply redistributes wealth while the government takes a very large cut in order to maintain the bureaucracy. The free market is much more efficient at helping decrease levels of poverty.
I don't have sources for these, sorry
>>54038176 HDI isn't an accurate indication of the level of success in a country, you have to look at economic mobility or the amount of impoverished 1st and 2nd gen immigrants skew the results. The US still has a fairly high level of economic mobility for immigrants, though that's declining thanks to the amount of people who are becoming reliant on welfare.
>>54038926 Read any of the core Austrian school economists' works. Hayek, Rothbard, Friedman (although he's more of a monetarist, he's still very much anti-big government) all put forth a well founded theory, even if you disagree with it.
>>54039038 You ignored my post about where it says all Jews...
It's also says Jews come from apes and pigs in the Quran. It's all jelousy because Abrahams wife led to Jews while his slave led to Muslims. The bible and Torah even says ishmaels defendants will be angry and fight with everyone and be enemies to all.
>>54039038 >transgressors you do realize how broad a term this is doing anything that any muslims could in some way interpret as maybe being an insult to islam is considered a transgression saying "hey how about not murdering the entire east timor population"? congratulations, you will now be crucified
>>54039151 Probably not because most are secular, but the fact they were taught that Jews were demons long before Israel shows a lot. All devout Muslims hate Jews. I recently talked to a German who works security at a refugee camp who told me himself all Muslims there hate Jews, even ones that never met any and hate Arabs too and don't care about Palestine
>>54038926 You'll have to give me a minute if you want readily accessible sources. You can google "Government overhead in welfare" if you want.
Logically, though, it makes sense. A privately operated charity, with a much more intimate knowledge of a community and less of the bureaucracy will operate more efficiently than a massive pseudo corporation operated by the government. The charity doesn't have to pay its volunteers while the government has to pay *at least* minimum wage to the distributors, organizers, etc. This ignores the fact that the food stamps are taxed twice(once at the store, once elsewhere depending on the state) while the charity only pays the sales tax.
Walmart, the largest beneficiary of food stamps, not only is subsidized to take the food stamps, they also receive the funds from their employees, many of whom are on food stamps.
>>54039350 It is, Jews from the same places as Muslims are usually still smarter and more successful then the Muslims there and they believe Jews stole their bloodline, add in the fact Israel is successful and keeps winning against them.
>>54039252 >You ignored my post about where it says all Jews... Hadith isn't Quran it might be added later >>54039294 I know that there was power struggle between Jews and new founded Islam but after warrior phase Jews were more accepted in Muslim cities than in Europe
>A man with three """"policies"""" could be the next president of the united states >Keep the mexicans and muslims out, basically one policy >Build a wall, extension of previous policy >Make america great again, means literally whatever you want it to Christ almighty Americans are fucking stupid. You can shitpost about weedman all you want but he had an actual platform.
>>54039298 inequality is a very complex phenomenon, much bigger than "wah the evil rich people keep us down" there are many factors involved such as quantitative easing being used to buy up sub prime mortgages that artificially inflate the value of banks' assets [instead of supporting the economy by investing in small businesses], allowing them to pump counterfeit money into housing and financial transactions, artificially inflating the stock market, all the while the debt money system keeps destroying the purchasing power of the dollar and piling on ever increasing debt did you know for example that last year, the costs of paying for the INTEREST due on the US national debt last year (so not even paying off the debt itself, which still has to be payed in the future), was equally as high as the spending on social security in that same year? how could this ever be solved by increasing taxes on the rich or whatever it is Bernie spouts... it's ridiculous
all these left wing economic ideas are about instant gratification while fucking over future generations; they're bandaids in an attempt to fight the symptoms while completely ignoring the somewhat complex (at least for the average joe) underlying disease
>TL;DR economy is not as simple as evil rich people stealing from poor
>>54039535 It's in the Quran too and the hadiths is still part of Islam is it not? And maybe Jews lived better with Muslims for a little while but in general were still second class citizens worse off with Muslims most the time.
>>54039739 How Muslim? And why are you defending Muslims so much here I'm confused I thought you don't like them? Either way it doesn't matter, point is now they commit violence against Jews and Jews and Muslims hate each other's and we return the favor when we're provoked by palis
>>54039527 >No incentive in the free market There is an incentive, it gives people a sense of worth and the sense that they have helped. Compare this to taking taxes at gunpoint and you can probably see which one people prefer.
There have always been charities though, largely operated by the church or by religious individuals. They're not as unstable as you'd think, people like to help others as long as they have the means, and donating to charities is an easy way to do this. Not many charities go bankrupt because there are no real operational expenses, and if there is a decrease in funds donated, they just service fewer people.
However, a decrease in funds usually means a slowdown in the economy, which also affects taxes(unless you run a deficit which is also really bad)
>all this butthurt about Muslims dont worry infidels, in 10 years when we are 2 billion you will still be powerless and still shitpost on this website, gazing in awe at the Ummah of Muhammad. Get fucking rekted in your unwashed rektums kafir scum.
>>54035503 Muslims in the U.S are pretty productive they can be arrogant shit heads because they come from old money familys but thats it, people forget the immigration standarts in the U.S are very high, we dont get the hordes of shity pakis like europe.
>>54035215 Yeah, at least you're not brainwashed into following ideas that would help you or your brethren. Way to go, minority power, let everyone else but you have the power!
You know what people call this? "Brainwashed into glorifying suicide".
Then again, you said you're an immigrant, so you're just straight up a living mistake happening due to the abuse of kindness. See cologne. Taking up the refugees was just kindness. And that happens when you're kind.
Now you're the post-refugee. You are the monster that those "dumb stormweenie conservatives" want gone. They're not just some arrogant assholes, they were happily living their lives until guys like you came across, shat on their streets, raped their children, then voted the leaders who promise more rape and more shit, and proceed to imagine you're completely moderate and acceptable, and someone who had to suffer thanks to people like you, disturbing the peace of a society passively or actively, indirectly or directly, must be a dumb asshole not being open-minded enough.
You're accusing a victim of being an idiot for not promoting the harm done to it. And not because people take this personal, but because they grasp how horribly apologetic, destruction-enabling and disgusting this mindset is, they realize, even with moral questioning, that that might even deserve hanging someone. Violence might not be a solution but at least it explicitly shows how far you fucks may go. They're just not the bitches listening to Mr. Guldenstein on TV saying "STUFF HAPPENED TO PEOPLE YOU CARE ABOUT, DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT OR YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE", and they don't show understanding for you assuming this is normal and the way it should be.
>>54034937 >Muslims are usually nice people with good education that do lots of work well What. The. Fuck. Tell me it's bait please. You americans (referring to "american continent") really, really have no idea what muslims are. Yeah you may have a muslim neighbourhood but what is he? 150th generation immigrant? That doesn't count. Or, is he the only muslim in town? Doesn't count. Integration bullshit won't work when instead of 15 or 20, 1,000,000 will enter your country. You just can't control them all.
>>54041106 I went to high school with a ton of Muslims cause they all got good enough grades to get into a special program at our school (indians too, both mostly cause their parents beat the shit out of them if they didn't get good grades). They were fine. A few kept acting like they were ghetto blacks from the US, those guys were douchebags, never hurt people much though.. We'd never let 1,000,000 of anything into our country in such a short period of time as Europe. Why all the hate?
>>54041704 Bro nth generation immigrants don't count I already stated that. It's not "their fault", they're extremely underdeveloped and you can't just put them all to our level if they come in by hundreds of thousands. It's beyond racism, it's mere pragmatism. You should understand that until you're in time.
>>54042077 >be european >let in tons of immigrants from muslim countries, no system to weed out useless ones >get all the bad immigrants looking only looking to escape their third-world shitholes they came from >immigrants have no drive to improve their standing or invest in the country >get all the bad immigrants that fuck the country up >assume there's no way to let in muslim immigrants without fucking everything up
Muslims are around the same level of Jews in terms of earnings and population hindu americans have surpassed Jews in earnings and have become the highest average income of any minority group in the united staes.
>>54035543 So? As long as you're an American citizen you have to pay American taxes, no matter where on earth you live. They would have to resign their American citizenship and no one is insane enough to do that.
>>54044254 >Are there seriously so many people triggered by the truth that it makes sense to advocate for thought/speech control? Yes, a lot of people, that's why speech control is prevalent all over the world.
>>54045168 Cameron is an upper class twit who practically groomed from the day he was born to be a politician and talks about the real world and the situation on the streets of which he has zero experience.
>>54047181 To be fair, it wasn't the entire cunt. It's kind of like that time there was a petition to take more refugees that a got a ton of publicity and the one that said to take no refugees got no publicity even though many more people signed it. Even the members of parliament that were debating the Trump banning were mostly reasonable except for a couple of women that kept bringing emotion and muh children into it.
But for some reason the media always focuses on one side no matter how much more popular the other side might be.
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