/urban/ + /architecture/

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first 4 Finland

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2nd for compensating

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ayy lmao the building

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>>54032760

>>54032760
Kingdom Tower?

>>54032848
yep

>>54032885
it will be so fucking ridiculously tall

I still can't believe 1000m+

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They replaced the entire neighborhood with those soviet blocks in 1970. Today the area would've been an Unesco world heritage site.

>>54032998
>Today the area would've been an Unesco world heritage site.
why though?

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>>54032998

>>54032985
I'm just worried it will be put on hold or cancelled due to the current oil situation.

>>54033042
Because it represented a very traditional Finnish wooden working-class neighborhood and there isn't many of them left (if none?).

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Post your city.

>>54033132
it can get shortened like Ping An desu

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>>54033438
It's dead here right now thanks to the blizzard.

>>54033526
There's really not a whole lot they could do as far a redesign goes. They can't just chop off the spire, and the taper is constant all the way up.

>>54033638
I don't think it will be ever put on hold though, this project is so big I'm sure investors are prepared for possible economical issues they won't just stop because of drop in the oil price

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>>54033438

>>54033530
What about the underground?

>>54033603
Salt lake seems so based

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I want to punch the architect responsible for 8 Spruce Street in the face.

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>>54033888
checked

>>54033861
Everyone is home, all vehicles besides emergency ones were told to get off the road asap. Basically hospitals and police stations are the only places open at the moment.

>>54033888
Why? It's a neat tower. I would be more upset about the concrete slab in front of it.

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>>54033880
what do you mean?

>>54033992
Of course it would be a Scandinavian defending shitty modern architecture.

>>54033603
why Americans and in general Anglos always build their capitals in irrelevant cities?

>New York City not the capital of the US
>New York City not the capital of New York
>Toronto not the capital of Canada
>Sydney not the capital of Australia
>Auckland not the capital of New Zealand
what the fug

>>54034021
You seem to like American cities. They don't seem so special compare to European cities though.

>>54034053
It's a well-crafted tower, and it isn't really much of an eyesore. Eye-catching, but not ugly, and it's not tall enough to truly stand out among the crowd. I'm not defending anything, I'm just saying it's not a bad tower as far as modern NYC ones go.

>>54034151
the grass is always greener...

>>54034182

what the fuck is this. this is worse then an american suburb. i literally don't see a hint of green

>>54034214
Organic curves and shapes do not belong in New York.

>>54034279
metro manila, our capital

>>54034149
In America at least it's the removal of politics from the largest financial city. You do that D.C was created from a swamp to be the capital right?

Besides, why make the largest cities the capital?

>>54034149
Well the New York thing at least had to do with a dispute between Jefferson and Hamilton. Jefferson didn't like NY so he had the capital moved to where DC is now.

>>54034357

your capital looks like isengard

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>>54034279

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>>54034151
European cities are for the most part ugly and boring, compared to American ones.

I'm posting more of Oslo to show you Americans just how good you have it!

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Thoughts /int/?

>>54034425
Well Oslo is like the ugliest capital in Western Europe desu.

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>>54034425
I may be biased, but it looks great. maybe because it looks kinda like my city with the hills/mountains in the background. >>54033438

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>>54034279
some cherrypicked areas look good : ^ )
>>54034370
>Besides, why make the largest cities the capital?
America is truly a bizzare world. Upside down lol.

>their capitals aren't the largest cities
>they dont watch football, they watch handegg instead

>>54034290
Why not? New York is only so charming because you can find anything there, and it's just a funky facade. Shape is still traditional.

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>>54034427
A little plain, but definitely looks nice.
>>54034151
More modern euro cities aren't that great. Besides not all American cities are as bad as some euros make it seem we have plenty of nice buildings.

>>54034427
4/5, American cities should have been developed more like this instead of all that car-based suburban sprawl.

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>>54034425
Stop being silly.

>>54034479
I think Berlin is worse.

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>>54034151
I love American cities. I love American culture, lifestyle, people and the country in general. I can name all 50 states in 2 min (my personal record so far) including all the state capitals and all the major metro cities with no problem. I know their location as well. US in general is a big place, east coast cities are generally more packed and have better urban transportation, west coast cities is where the suburbia was born, very spread, designed for a different lifestyle than the east coast. There was a good urban transportation in the coast, but the auto industry killed it (see ''who killed the electric car''). European cities are small, old building, most Europeans want to preserve their old building, American's don't have old building, so they just build the newest and the tallest. I prefer US cities, even though living in Bulgaria i am used to walk, the cities are small and everything is in walking distance. It will take me exactly 15 min. to go to the city center from my house walking at a normal speed. My city is 25K population.

>>54034538
I guess you have to understand the ideas and ideologies of early American politicians. We were very suspicious of politicians and money influencing government. And for a lot of cities, they were the most populous cities at the time they were made capital.

Just a different mentally than in London or Paris where one huge city dominates the country.

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>>54034416
: ^ )

>>54033851
very green, looks nice

>>54034479
Finland is not in western europe, Finland is in Northern Europe. How can you not know 5th grade geography?

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>>54034590
>instead of suburban sprawl
Well... This is what surrounds it

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>>54034729
When you see it like that, Seoul doesn't seem all that big.

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>>54034830

>>54034835
pretty non-surprising desu

>>54034710
Wow, Ameriboo

Btw, that kind of mentality
>European cities are small, old building, most Europeans want to preserve their old building, American's don't have old building, so they just build the newest and the tallest.
Very rare, I never seen European talking like this(not saying it's good/bad). They are mostly LE FUCK SKYSCRAPERS MUH HISTORY!!!!!!

>>54034714
>Just a different mentally than in London or Paris where one huge city dominates the country.
The US is too big to be dominated by 1 city in the first place.

>>54034608
ugly building desu

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>>54034888
>>54034830

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>>54034479
You're right.
It's pretty bad.

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>>54034947
>>54034888
>>54034830
Paris is my favorite

>>54034932
I'm talking about the state, sorry should've clarified. This is an issue in New York State and Illinois where one big city( NYC, Chicago) dominates the the politics and direction of the state. It'd be even worse for everyone else in that state if they were both the capital.

>>54034541
I can't think of any other examples of organic architecture in NY.

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>>54035008
>>54034947
>>54034888
>>54034830
Last one

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>>54034861
desu Seoul is still pretty big, of course smaller than Tokyo but it's not continuous like Tokyo because the terrain is completely different, Tokyo is built on plains when Seoul has all these hills

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>>54034934
Really? It's quite nice in my opinion. Post architecture you like.

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>>54034830
What does it mean?
>>54034710
Do you think you'd be overwhelmed being surrounded by millions of people? A lot of people I talk to on here say that they find nyc too busy. I've lived here most of my life so I'm used to it.

>>54034947
london smells like fermented poo

>>54034932
What are you talking about? MUH HISTORY is European thing. The first thing Europeans tell non-Europeans is how old and special their buildings are, there is always some history behind every building you see. Few years ago there was an old building in Germany that became unnecessary and others wanted to take that spot, instead of destroying it, they payed millions just to REMOVE, that's right, they lifted the building and moved it to another place instead of just destroying it. US has no history of tall buildings, they build whatever is practical and necessary to be build. They don't keep building just because of history.

>>54033984
Do you live in the city itself? I'm in Westchester and literally everything is closed, except the Metro North last I heard. It sucks as I need to get more orange juice.

When will this blizzard fucking stop?

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>>54034555
>a little plain
Yeah, this is what everyone says about it. The city center itself is comfy enough imo

>>54034729
Tokyo is much more sparsely built than Seoul. They have lots of open space there compared to the older neighborhoods of Seoul.

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>>54034290
>>54035047
That shit isn't organic. Nothing organic looks like that wonky piece of shit.

You can have curves without being weird.

>>54035118
Streets are assigned colors based on what compass direction they head to. Streets that head North-South or East-West are red, the rest are shift along the color wheel. It highlights grids on the street map in bright colors.

>>54035124
Never been, but I'll take your word for it.

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First for Latin America

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>>54035118
Yes. I am not used to living in a big crowded city. I don't like noisy places, i like quiet places, but on the other hand i don't wanna live in an isolated place, i wanna be near a city for convenience. I guess the best place for me would be either a mid-sized city or a neighborhood of a big city. Definitely would never live in the middle of NY.

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>>54035395
>That shit isn't organic
It's meant to be like waves, but from a distance it just looks dirty and deformed.

>>54035226
Yeah I live in Queens, the storm isn't supposed to end until 1 am so get comfortable.

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This Victorian era lady bought an existing courtyard and arches in Venice/Northeast Italy literally imported it to Boston to make a courtyard for her home.

>>54035555
Waves aren't static things, they require movement to be natural. Not organic.

>>54035226
>new york can't handle a little snow

Looks like we're going to need a new thread soon.

>>54035224
Yes I meant that European mostly tend to think of American cities as atrocious and soulles.

>>54033530

perfect time for a nightwalk tonight anon
sunday morning at 4am as a snowstorm dies down might be the most quiet nyc will ever be

Hey Bulgarian anon, which American city would you want to live in?

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>>54036129
It depends on how you define soulless, and what are your personal preferences.Though i agree European cities tend to be more populated in the sense that you can see people walking all around you, as they are small cities and Europeans prefer to walk instead of driving. However when you walk into an American supermarket you feel more alive than when you walk into a European one. In Europe, people are more quiet, in America people like to talk.

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Great city architecturally. Shit politics and demographics though.

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>>54036387
At night.

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>>54036249
That's a question i've been wondering myself for a long time, the most correct answer is that i would have to try few to see which one suits me the most. However, as of now, it would be either LA, SF, Boston or Seattle, because those are the top venture capital cities, and these cities would be the best for the type of work i do/want to do. Among them, if i had to choose, perhaps either LA or SF. SF is VERY expensive, although i like the public transportation. I don't like the fact that there are so many startups there, i like to stand out, but i also like how small and convenient the whole city is. Seattle is also very nice city, but i don't like the weather, i don't like raining all the time, it depresses me. Boston is too cold, i don't like the cold weather. So, i guess LA would be my choice if i had to pick one right now. More specifically, west LA (Santa Monica). Generally speaking, if i had the time and resources, i would live anywhere in the US.
Where do you live?

>>54036775
I've been to Santa Monica and its pretty nice. I think you would like it there. I'd avoid SF, it's nice to visit but the vibes of the city just feel wrong to me.

I live in San Jose, 45 away from SF. Smallest big city in America >>54034529

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>>54036789

Rate my skyline rating

1. Dubai
2. HK
3. Shanghai
4. NYC
5. Chicago
6. Shenzhen
7. Guangzhou
8. Kuala Lumpur
9. Toronto
10. Singapore

>>54037088
>Toronto
>Chicago
0/10
Shit taste

>>54037183
you what?

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>>54037088
6/10

Dubai doesn't belong in the top 5. And Chongqing is better than Toronto or Singapore.

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>>54036951
What kind of vibes? I know SF is very diverse in terms of ethnicity and sexuality. I talked (online) to a women from SF before, she told me she was ''bisexual'' and that there are a lot of ''bisexual'' people in SF. I also know that SF is very liberal. San Jose is very nice, i would definitely want to visit someday if i can, it feels a little bit too spread, is that correct?

>>54036951
>>54036775
And to add, I've been hearing quite a bit of Russian being spoken, mostly in and near Palo Alto. I guess we have a bit of a Russian population here. Maybe there are some Bulgarian communities here too,

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>>54037355
Yeah San Jose like L.A in the aspect of urban sprawl. There isn't really much to visit Tbh. I don't like the ultra liberal safespace gay vibes in SF.

Although I'm conservative and since SF is the most liberal city in America I'm probably really biased.

>>54034149
Our capitals were usually chosen for being central to their area. Washington DC was the middle of the country when it was chosen, Ottawa and Canberra are between their countries' two biggest cities

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Fuiji from Tokyo that i take.

>>54037307
>Dubai doesn't belong in the top 5
you fucking what what's with this meme

>the tallest building in the world
>the largest amount of supertalls in the world
yeah doesn't qualify to the top 5 at all lmao
>are you retarded it isn't about height or number or skyscrapers!!!
it's not entirely about number of skyscrapers and height but it's a big factor which should be taken in consideration, it's "skyline rating" after all, more tall buildings generally make up for a better skyline
>>54037307
>And Chongqing is better than Toronto or Singapore.
>better than Singapore
debatable but Singapore has much, much better quality
>better than Toronto
nope

>>54035771
>A little snow
its a foot high outside my house and its just snowing harder, and it won't stop/

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a few older photos from Helsinki

Now i have to play Cities Skyilines. Fuck you.

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>>54037232
Plenty of examples like these in Oslo.
This corner went from pic related...

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>>54037604
Not him but I like Dubai but I think it's a bit McSkyline and over the top. Many of its buildings that aren't glass are very ugly. Doha is better by comparison and this will become more apparent as time goes on.

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>>54037745

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>>54037800
to this

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>>54037604
Pure height doesn't count for shit.
Dubai is filled with tacky architecture and is completely unbalanced. When every building is a supertall, nothing stands out, with the exception of the Burj obviously, which is just about the only good looking building in the city.

There also way too much empty space. Why not put some nice 100-150 meter buildings instead of another dickscraper?

>>54037363
Could be, but i doubt it. I think other Bulgarians will agree with me when i say that you will rarely see a Bulgarian community abroad, mostly because Bulgarians avoid each other when they leave the country. That was the case for a long time, perhaps things are changing now, but i really doubt you will see a lot of Bulgarians living in one place, unless they are relatives of friends. I think the largest population of Bulgarians in the US is in Chicago, California and Texas.

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>>54037913

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>>54037985
It's just completely over the top. And I think the main word I'm looking for is unnatural.

You can't build a good looking city in 20 years.

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>>54037867
that's pretty drastic :D
We came from this....

>>54037811
Ok I understand there is a lot of shitty buildings in Dubai but there is a lot of good ones too. Dubai has like 20 supertalls already.

Also I agree Doha it's good but not quite the level of Dubai in general.

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>>54038071
...to this

>>54038085
>Also I agree Doha it's good but not quite the level of Dubai in general.
I mean when it comes to quality probably Doha is better on average but in overall it isn't really comparable with Dubai.

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>>54038138
and from this...

>>54038138
>you posted this again
Stop triggering me!

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>>54038263
...to this

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>>54038238
Whatever floats your boat m8. I just think Doha looks so much more professional and sleek

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>>54038138
wew, triggered hard

Here's another drastic one. From this...

>>54037487
I haven't experienced this so i can't really say, but ultra-liberalism like the so called Social Justice Warriors would definitely irritate me. I had a conversation one time with a guy from SF, i told him that by increasing the minimum wage, you prevent people from getting an entry level job, and you increase the unemployment, he got pissed off and said he like it this way and then he left the chat. One of the differences i notice between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives at least like to debate, liberals hate debating, its either you agree with them or they will ignore you.

>>54038263
>>54038315
This one I can sort of understand.

The original building is nice, but it's not amazing.
And the new building looks much larger, and I would guess makes for a much better city center.

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>>54038392
TO THIS

At least they preserved the building to the far right there. Sure looks good nowadays, amidst this fine complex.

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>>54038315
At first they were supposed to demolish the whole block but only part of the building was eventually built.

>>54037913
>Why not put some nice 100-150 meter buildings instead of another dickscraper?
I don't get this reasoning.

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>>54038451
We have some examples in Chicago, especially with the formerly-prestigious Prairie Avenue. Just an example, we went from this...

>>54038451
That's terrifying. Is the entire central Oslo mostly of buildings max 4 stories? In Helsinki the standard height for old buildings is 6.

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>>54038604
To this.

>>54038404
>One of the differences i notice between liberals and conservatives is that conservatives at least like to debate, liberals hate debating, its either you agree with them or they will ignore you.
Thaaaaaat's bullshit

also what "liberal" and "conservatist" do you even mean?

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This is Mannerheimintie before

>>54038604
>>54038660
Disgusting

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>>54038783
and after

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>>54038633
Generally, yeah. Around the most central areas, it could go up a bit, such as here around the main station, but mostly it was kept short.

>>54038784
Actually, if anyone's interested, there's more where that came from:
http://www.gapersblock.com/detour/chicago_then_now/

And more old photos:
http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/index.jsp;jsessionid=A7804263B6CA7B2B57DD51270A5EAF6E

>>54038783
>>54038842
desu I dont even know what to think about it

probably these old buildings were getting damaged and outdated

>>54039075
They could have been repaired but it was cheaper to build a newer one. They didn't appreciate old buildings in Finland during that time.

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>>54039075
To completely fair, at least we replaced this

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>>54039182
with this.

>>54038768
>>54038768
I am talking about the American version of Liberal and Conservative. Have you tried arguing with a liberal before? Rather with an ultra-liberal aka SJW, the ones that believe that Colleges are NOT intellectual space, but a ''safe home''. They will shut you down instantly and refuse to debate or accept anything you have to say or show to them, regardless what it is. They don't care about facts, they just want to be right. In general, i am socially liberal, rather ''libertarian'', as in, i am pro weed, and i want the government to not intervene in peoples lives, but i also have common sense and i am not ultra liberal and i do not ignore the facts. Some liberals are literally insane, like the ones in college campuses.

>>54039140
yeah, fixing it endlessly doesn't make much sense, in general maintaining old buildings outside of historical centres doesn't make much sense

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>>54039344
These are buildings in as central Helsinki as it can be.

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>>54039344
It's not that hard to maintain if you really want to. There are whole streets outside of Oslo's centre still intact for example, but constructors want the central areas the most as they are the most valuable. Back in the 60's and 70's, nobody really cared about what they had to tear if there was money to be made.

>>54039295
Well, first I don't really know because like here on 4chan 99% Poles are conservative and in general people here are rather conservative, most of my friends irl are conservative too lol

But honestly I'd say liberals/leftists debate more reasonably, like I saw EU debate on Poland, socialists were more like calmly stating their opinions and conservatives were MUH EMOTIONS MUH PATRIOTISM MUH POLAND MUH, just totally not my thing

when I was personally talking to conservatives I felt the same way, when I was trying to discuss reasonably, backing up my opinions with scientific research etc, right wingers were more referring to emotions and generally they were agressive

desu I'm leftist both socially(but not really in every regard like I don't support weed legalization) and economically

>>54039713
Pretty much this. I'm pretty liberal. I consider myself a social democrat and am pretty socially liberal as well. That being said I'm pretty staunchly opposed to immigration and I think the cons vastly outway the pros, Aside from a very very small amount.

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>>54033888

me too. jk i love him

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In Tampere this was replaced by..

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>>54035450

what is there to do in guayaquil?

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>>54040268
...this

>>54040268
>>54040320
what? why?

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>>54040368
Because why not :^^)

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>>54040430
JUST

>>54039713
Well first of all you have to distinguish the people you're talking about. Your government is not right-wing or conservative in the American sense of the word, but rather ''nationalistic''. Nationalists are generally social conservatives and economic liberals. They are the worst of them all, they believe in ultimate government control. Government control of the economy, government control of people's lives. In Bulgaria it's the same, in Europe in general is the same. In America liberals and conservatives are a little bit different than the European ones. In Bulgaria people are generally socially liberal i have to say, most people want weed legalization and are not very patriotic, however, in politics, left-wing people are the nationalistic nut jobs aka russian supporters.

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We're posting classic cities?

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>>54040709

>>54039975
why are you against immigration? In fact the pros vastly outway the cons, which are only temporary, in the long term the pros outway the cons.

>>54041108
Immigration from the Middle East and Mexico cause a lot of crime. We don't want them because they don't assimilate.

We're fine to other types of legal immigration

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This whole front row of buildings...

>>54040709
Why did they replace the building?

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>>54041244
was replaced by this single beast

>>54041291
Because they wanted to have a bigger and more modern building.

>>54041309
Disgusting. For what purpose?

>>54041108
>drives down wages
>ruins the ethnic character
I should specify that I'm alright with euros and chinks

>>54041378
I think it was because a fire broke out in one of the houses there, and instead of fixing it up, they tore it. The rest of the row was fine, but they tore that too because why not.

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>>54041309
That's the same they did in Vaasa

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>>54041366
I think that was a mistake. They should've built more, not destroy a perfectly good building.

>>54041485
That's too bad. It's unfortunate that the building has no soul or style.

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>>54041546

>>54041546
I feel bad for Finnish cities. Our cities suffered a bit, but not even close to this extent.

>>54041571
Yeah, and it's still there. Wish they'd tear it and just build something smoother and easier on the eye. Modern or not.

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They are just building this one. What do you think of the design?

>>54041206
Well, here's the thing about legal and illegal immigration from Mexico. The reason why you have so many illegals is because there really is no legal alternative. It is close to impossible to immigrate to the US even for high skill people, for low skill people it's nearly impossible. They would have to wait for over a hundred years, im not kidding. I saw a statistics that show that the average Indian programmer would have to wait about 30 years to get into the US, the average Mexican teen if apply for a US visa, would have to wait over 100 years. Obviously they are not going to wait, they are just going to come illegally as there is no other legal way of coming. It's the same as the drug war, simply make the drugs legal, and the drug war ends tomorrow. Make it easy for people to get a working visa or a work permit, and the illegal crossings end tomorrow. When it comes to assimilation, the US the one country that has no problem with that, because of the free market, or at least that used to be the case. The best way to assimilate people from different backgrounds is by letting them assimilate themselves using the free market. The free market allows people that might otherwise hate each other to work together, because even when you hate your neighbor, you still want to sell to him. The US free market has shown that even muslims have no problem integrating. The co-founder of YouTube is muslim, Steve Jobs parents were muslims, there are literally thousands of American muslims that are well famous but most people don't even know they are muslim. The Free market is the only way to let diverse people integrate, the US has proven this already. Europe keep making the same mistake of trying to force integration with social programs which never work. The one thing they have to do is remove all social programs and let the people get a job on the market and live the way they want, if they commit a crime arrest them, it's as simple as that.

>>54041732
where?

>>54041732
Funky. How tall is it?

>>54041732
I think it's terrible.

>>54041732
looks nice. A bit too crooked though.

>>54041786
>The reason why you have so many illegals is because there really is no legal alternative. It is close to impossible to immigrate to the US even for high skill people, for low skill people it's nearly impossible. They would have to wait for over a hundred years, im not kidding.

Nobody is entitled to come to America.

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>>54041699
They were supposed to build a network of motorways in central Helsinki but they luckily ran out of money.

>>54041732
As far as modern glass designs go it's pretty good.

>>54037088
HK, Shanghai are great. Sadly I didn't get to see much of the Shenzhen skyline because I was in the middle of the city and didn't get a good vantage point

>>54041454
It does not drive down wages, in fact it increase the wages. Most immigrants that come to the US are either very low skilled or very high skilled. They do not directly compete with the locals, they complement each other for the most part. Americans have a lot more alternatives which is why they don't choose to do low paying jobs, low skilled immigrants have little alternative, so they do the work Americans do not want to do. Even if they did, they still do not drive down wages, an American that does not get hired on a low skilled job over an immigrant will be hired on another one created by the demands of that same immigrant. High skilled immigrants usually build businesses, even if not, they do not drive down wages. All immigrants are in a way business creators because they become consumer, which means they create demand for more stuff, more demand = more jobs, more businesses. For the consumer, more alternative is better, for the people that have to compete with more people it probably sucks, but that is better for the consumer and ultimately for the average American. I don't know what you mean by ethnic character.

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>>54042178
>They do not directly compete with the locals, they complement each other for the most part
Many of the locals are very low skilled too, It's the US, they don't have an equal schooling system.

>>54042178
>they do the work Americans do not want to do.
The only case this is even remotely true is for seasonal farm labor.
That work is quickly drying up though due to automation, and it was already a small portion of illegal immigrants.

>>54041950
Nobody is entitled, but if people are free to come to the US, you would see an explosion of productivity and capital creation. Just few decades ago, anybody who wanted could come to the US. If Nikola Tesla was not free to come to the US, he would've never created what he did. Same goes for Einstein. The world is full of Einsteins who are stuck in low productive places they can't do anything, if they go to a high productive place like the US, they would help themselves and help everybody around them. It's like a farmer stuck in Antarctica, he may be the best farmer, but he's not going to grow much in Antarctica, if he moves to a productive place like the US, now he can be productive.

>>54042178
Low skilled absolutely do. That's why republicans do fuck all to stop it. I'm fine with high skilled to some extent but I don't believe the meme that they bring us some huge benefit we would not other wise have, at least nowadays. There are many many countries that have built themselves up very impressively by borrowing ideas without the actual immigration. Like Japan and the Asian tigers. As for the ethnic character, I'm just tired of seeing once 100% white areas become gradually more and more brown. Call me a racist, in that regard I suppose I kind of am.

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NYC Today

This city is so much fun when all the transportation systems go down

>>54042426
There could be plenty of geniuses in the US too, but they can't get a job in their field because companies abuse H1B visas. So instead of inventing things or doing research in the private sector, they are stuck working at starbucks.
University research positions are incredibly limited and hard to get too, so don't even start on that.

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>>54042540
and furthermore unchecked immigration doesn't go well with a welfare state (that I'd like the US to become). As for immigration supposedly being a pro by offestting declining birthrates, I believe the population is already far far too high and most people have skills that automation will decimate in the coming decades. Countries should be shedding population and not adding to it.

>>54042379
That is not the information i have. The information i have is that hotel industry workers, agriculture workers, and many other industries cannot find the people they need. A low skilled American is not the same as low skilled immigrant. Low skilled American have the skills of speaking the language and having cultural literacy, which is something low skilled immigrants do not have. This skill alone instantly puts the American in a different group. In any case, it doesn't matter even if they compete for the same job, as i said, more people = more consumers = more demand = more jobs. An American that is not hired for a low skilled job over an immigrant will get hired on another one created by the demands of that same immigrant. The heavy economic restrictions, the minimum wage and other regulations that make it difficult for the free market to work, and for Americans to get a job, that is a different question, it is not related to immigration, it is related to economic policies.

>>54042663
explorer interceptors are so based

>>54042540
You're not very informed on this topic. The US was built by immigrants. Everything that you have is built by immigrants. Hollywood was built by immigrants, Silicon Valley, Wall street, everything. Tell me one thing that has come out of Japan, and i will tell you where that thing originates from and who created it.

>>54042861
up until 1970, 90% of people living in america had families going back to 1620-1790.

>>54042707
>An American that is not hired for a low skilled job over an immigrant will get hired on another one created by the demands of that same immigrant.

What the fuck are you smoking?

An illegal immigrant working for minimum wage or less does not support another minimum wage or greater job.

>>54040530
>>54040530
>Nationalists are generally social conservatives and economic liberals
Yeah well they are social conservatives but also not really liberal economically.

>The US was built by immigrants
I am well aware. And for the reasons I have listed this should end. Especially because almost every immigrant now is non-white and as I said it is fundamental changing the ethnic character of this country. I don't want that. The people here can innovate just fine or we can borrow ideas and improve upon them as we have done in the past. We can have a great standard of living without more and more immigration and I strongly value that.

>>54043117
meant to quote>>54042861

>>54041732
where, Frankfurt?

>>54042159
Shenzhen skyline is not that good yet, but it's getting better every year. It needs to get some consecutive cluster.

>>54043352
glad to know I wasn't missing a lot

>>54043352
>needs to get some consecutive cluster
This is true for many Chinese skylines. Sadly that like to put a good amount of space between many of their tall buildings

>>54043045
If it was easy to get a work permit, there would be no illegals. And as i said, more people create more demand, they are consumers, they are customers, they buy stuff, more demand equals more supply, therefore either more businesses need to be created, or existing ones need to expand production to supply the new demand. Expand in production means more jobs for people. A lot of the immigrants that come create new market demands that never existed before. Also minimum wage job is only an entry level temporary job, once you gain experience and skills on the job, you can trade that for higher pay. You are not stuck in one position forever, unless you chose to do that of course, or the government makes it difficult to climb the job ladder.

>>54043117
The fundamental character of America is not ethnically white. America is not ethnically white by default. It just so happened to be that the first immigrants that came were white, that doesn't mean they are the default color of the country.

That was my last comment, im going to bed. Bye from me.

>>54043471
this was the most striking thing I noticed in Beijing. There was no "downtown" area where all the skyscrapers were like in American cities. There are clusters of skyscrapers here and there.

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desu Guangzhou has a better cluster than Shenzhen

>>54043778
the tall tower on the left is one of my favorite buildings

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>>54043471
yeah why do tehy do this it TRIGGERS ME

>>54043753
>If it was easy to get a work permit, there would be no illegals.
If it were easier to get work permits companies would never hire an American again.

>And as i said, more people create more demand, they are consumers, they are customers, they buy stuff, more demand equals more supply, therefore either more businesses need to be created, or existing ones need to expand production to supply the new demand.
Again, illegal immigrants are bottom of the ladder in terms of job creation. It probably takes 10 or more illegal immigrants to create one high skill job.

The all around better solution is to export as much low skill work as possible to other countries, and what can't be outsorced can be filled by low skill Americans. Because we do have plenty.

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>>54043769
yeah even the largest and the richest city Shanghai, while having some clear cluster it's not really dense at all and a lot of skyscrapers are out of it too

reeee Chinese please step it up you are building a lot of good skyscrapers just think about placing them properly

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>>54043884
Same. The IFC is probably my favorite Chinese tower after Shanghai Tower.

>>54043893
thats the exact image I though of when I posted. I hate how they are not all more like japan/hk and put those stupid fucking little parks between their buildings.

>>54043893
Why? It's good to have some roads in between them.

>>54043753
>America is not ethnically white by default. It just so happened to be that the first immigrants that came were white, that doesn't mean they are the default color of the country.


I have disagreements with this statement because our history has been riddled with examples of us being defacto declared as a "white" nation, dating back to our original voting law (white land owners only) and our original immigration law (white people only). Chinese exclusion act etc.

99% of the white people who came here in the first 200 years of our existence came here from a european area a little smaller than the size of Texas (UK and netherlands, then parts of Germany and scandinavia). This nation was populated by Europeans and founded by Europeans. If they were founded by anyone else, I would readily say that those founders get a claim to the racial identity of the country. I'd say that America is white in the same right that Europe is white. White people are the original founders in both regards. (Note: I'm referring to America as the current political entity, not the as the piece of land in general or the older
native nations)

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>>54044124
absolutely. Shanghai tower is my favorite building of all time.

>>54044139
It's suburb-tier, and not pedestrian-friendly at all. It's not how a downtown should be planned. Nothing wrong with greenery, but not every tower needs a backyard.

>>54044171
basically this. Minorities have no real history here. Now with globalization and mass immigration from all over the world that is almost exclusively non-white the character of the nation is changing and it's tragic imo. And I'm not even a stomfag

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>>54044123
yeah, pic related is about the closest you'll get to an American "downtown"

Shanghai was definitely my favorite city in the mainland

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>>54044264
Pedestrian friendly. Does everyone on this board hates cars? You know there's thing called crosswalks right?

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r8

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and here's Hong Kong

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>>54044133
I don't really know what Chinese urban planners really want to achieve maybe they want some modern healthy CBD's combined with nature? but that doesn't make much sense ... CBD's are supposed to cut commuting times, and be as dense as possible on the smallest area possible, and they are putting fucking parks there?

This is a centre of Shanghai.

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>>54044659
and this is how the rest of the city looks like

>>54044554
Swap CTF and International Finance Center.

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>>54044659
This was taken right in the middle of the CBD in shanghai, to illustrate your point lol

>>54044808
reeeeeee why do my phone photo uploads always come out like that?

>>54043893
>>54044659
Suburbs of skyscrapers.

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this'll probably be sideways too but this was also in the CBD. wasted real estate.

>>54044865
You rotated the image in an image viewer, and not an actual image editor.

>>54044535
Cars aren't suited for downtown areas.

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>>54044775
Gorgeous tbqh

t. São Paulo citizen

>>54044946
hmmm. They have the proper orientation in the folder on my computer.

>>54032606
We don't have architecture in Israel.

>>54045070
tel aviv looks better and better though. Maybe in 10 years it can compte

>>54045020
You you rotate them in an image viewer it adds an exif tag that tells image viewers to always rotate the image, but it doesn't actually reencode it or w/e.

It could also be that your phone automatically does it when you take a sideways photo or something.

>>54045138
Yeah, when they complete all the new towers. Until few years ago we could count all the towers in Israel with one finger.

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This is my neighborhood in buenos aires.

>>54034861
Why would you compare Tokyo to Seoul?
There's literally nothing to compare other than they are in the same region.

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does your city have wooden streets?

>chicago
>yes

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>>54045070
you what ?

but you do : ^ ))) Tel Aviv is the capital of Bauhaus but I don't have pics lel

you have some skyscrapers too

look pic related desu you can clearly see all this modernism was being pushed by the Jews

it's all because of Jews ngl

>>54045407
>look pic related desu you can clearly see all this modernism was being pushed by the Jews
>it's all because of Jews ngl

no wonder you are so retarded

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>>54045070

you have this sexy bridge

>>54045407

are you dumb? EVERYONE got into Bauhaus after WWII.

>>54045354
Because Seoul is almost as large in population, and even bigger in metro. I could have chosen any city, but Tokyo is in pretty much every way the most similar to it, and they look kind of similar with the nice large rivers running through and stuff.

>>54045466
>>54045543
chill lads I'm only saying that modernism is another jewish invention to rule the world

>>54044961
maybe in countries with no living space

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>>54044318

good grief what a retarded comment

>>54045070
what about all the bauhaus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_City_(Tel_Aviv)

>>54045544
>Because Seoul is almost as large in population, and even bigger in metro.
What the fug. Seoul proper is a bit larger than Tokyo proper (23 wards), but when it comes to metro Tokyo is much larger it's like 38 millions (Greater Tokyo Area) against 25 millions

>>54045543
this.

Everyone here is a fucking retard with their "im german-irish" bullshit. No ur fucking American

>>54045731
they don't. There are very few minorities in the US that have done anything of importance historically and the US could have been in the same exact state today, if not better, without having imported blacks and mexicans.

>>54045775
Agreed. I could say that I'm canadian-german-welsh but because of that mixture, I can't claim an identity as any one of those groups. It's this way for most white americans. If a scottish-english-ukrainian girl has a kid with an italian-swedish-french man, that kid is still white, but you could hardly put him in a specific ethic group. At that point his ethic group is white american, a mystery meat of european ethnicities.

>>54045746
Greater Tokyo includes Yokohama and Kawasaki, which in all technicality are different cities. The "city" of Tokyo itself and its metro are only so big.

>>54045921
its pasta

>>54045775

Yeah it's weird how much the white people here talk about which part of the 400 square miles of Europe their great great great great grandparents left

Doesn't really apply to me tho, for I am Jew

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>>54045935
In all practicality it's one city.

>>54045898
I wouldn't be so quick to lump blacks in with the rest of the minority groups because they've been here nearly as long as us and then you'll run into the "built on the backs of slaves" argument. But you're right with the other minorites. Non white immigration really started en masse after the passing of the naturalization act of 1965. Any non-european immigration prior to that is statistically irrelevant. So people can count the contributions of minorities from '65 and onward, but they're marginal at best. If an immigrant group didn't do it, someone else would have.

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this building was destroyed and replaced with...

>>54045935
>>54046106
yes, this is in my opinion decisive thing, look at the satellite view, is the city continuous built-up area? then you basically can count it as one and all this "metropolitan area" which in some cases can be just a simple lie to boast numbers it's accurately depicting the real size of this urban organism

>>54046110
blacks only history is just existing though. That's hardly history. Getting equal rights is a plus for them but there is no innovation or nation building involved. Not that I blame them too much considering their circumstances but my point is that they have no real history in the US stands, at least anything noteworthy.

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>>54046120


just kidding its stil there

>>54046330
post skyline pics of panama city pls. I need more for my collection.

>>54046281
>no real history in the US stands, at least anything noteworthy.

you must not like this "music" thing

>>54046330
What a tragedy.

>>54046417
jazz and rap mean fuck all if we're being completely honest.