/Latin/ + /Greece/
Because the previosu thread was pretty cool.
FILO ANTERIOR: >>53985046
ALL DEBTS ARE PAID EDITION
>I2b (L416, L417, L418) is a very minor subclade so far observed in a few samples from Italy, Germany, Scotland and Iran.
Besides, it's still bullshit. Bosnians and Serbs have more l2 than we do, even though it's our major group.
I seriously find nothing about l2b, nor do I find anything linking to us. All I could find when searching for l2b is africa (???)
So either give me some citations and links or take a hike.
i have this one but i've nothing against southerners
"All haplogroups I are the indigenous people of Europe, the direct descendants of Cro-Magnon (it isn't R1b as previously thought). This is why I is found everywhere in Europe at low frequencies, except I1 which remained strong in Germanic countries. A pocket of I2a1a (M26) survived in Sardinia because of it's relative isolation. I2a1b (M423) seems to have adopted agriculture early on around the Carpathians and is thought to have migrated to the Dinaric Alps around 1000 BCE with the Illyrians, where it survives in over 50% of male lineages in most of Bosnia and Croatia."
I2b appeared in today Romania first
I do not recognize Romanians as Latins and Portuguese as humans. Also France is Germanic.
you dont understand JESUS
its I2a in Bosnia NOT I.2.b
I originated in today Romania near Black Sea, I2a was spread to Bosnia from here, but i2b was still kept here at highest.There aer villages in Moldova with over 70% of it
I notice that a lot of italians write "grand grand relative", it's not correct in english.
It would be great grandfather.
>mfw weab-romans exists
>tfw we don't speak a weirdo celtic language
>tfw we have to speak this meme language
>tfw people think our meme language is just a gay n useless shitty language
Meh. Valencian and Catalan are more similar between to other than, for example, British English and American English or Spanish from Spain and from Argentina. Calling accents different languages is just another form of "special snowflake" behavior that hipster regions love.
Because Rome owned you for less than 80 years?
Because speaking a language does not determine what you are. You do not embody a Latin culture. Greece is more Latin than you, tbvh f@m.
Hui mateix el nou govern valencià ha anunciat que obriran un segon multiplex per emetre TV3 i IB3
Aquest any s'hauria de tornar a obrir Canal 9 i llavors pactar reciprocitat amb Catalunya
Si tot va bé, al 2017 Catalunya, València i Balears tindran un espai de radiodifusió comú.
You did not understand me
I know they are the same language
But the accent is different enough to rate (how it sounds to you) separately.
Andalusian and castilian doesn't sound the same but they are the same language
these debates are empty for me
Yeah, I googled it. Looks pretty shitty.
>anyway balkanic romance was the first romance
First evidence that Latin had changed shows up in the Italian peninsula in the 700s. First clear evidence is based on a list which stated classical words that were no long understandable in Provencal.
Balkanic Romance is a dead language with no written records of it. We know it exists just not what words there were.
I Worship Graeco-Roman Gods.
>Tfw no-one takes me seriously.
I mean DAMN, we deserved to win this war
>balkanic romance is dead
Romanian,aromanian and dalmatian(extinct) are balkanic romance language
I saved this pepe tbqh
Have this in exchange.
Probably should've told that to the one who bullied us first.
How many sandwiches did your mother bring home today, malaka?
They made a live action movie out of it, in cooperation with the italians, which turned out really great.
It's based on a manga, I think it's funny.
Of course the anime doesn't have any pretty visuals, but the movie is worth watching.
Catholicism is a sect created 1000 years ago when it deviated from the One True Church
>We know it exists just not what words there were.
You don't need to look far. Google Aromanians. Incidentally, they also have the highest proportion of haplogroup J2 in the Balkans.
"One fourth of the Vlach people (isolated communities of Romance language speakers in the Balkans) belong to J2, considerably more than the average of Macedonia and northern Greece where they live. This, combined to the fact that they speak a language descended from Latin, suggests that they could have a greater part of Roman (or at least Italian) ancestry than other ethnic groups in the Balkans."
Lo cierto es que emitían ilegalmente. Los valencianos estábamos viendo TV3 gratis, con un par. El gobierno valenciano les avisó que legalizaran la situación, pero claro, emitir legalmente cuesta dinero y la pela es la pela, así que el gobierno valenciano (que bastante paciencia tuvo) decidió eliminar la señal.
Poco tardaron los pancatas en llorar y acusar al gobierno valenciano de fascistas cuando en realidad casi todos en Valencia seguíamos viendo TV3 por la televisión digital.
Mai ha emés legalment.
Fou als 70/80 quan la propia societat valenciana va pagar de la seua butxaca una xarxa de repetidors per poder veure TV3
I quan el PP començà a governar al 96, va fer tràmits per tancar-ho (el PSOE els permetia emetre ilegalment, però mai va voler fer-ho legal) i finalment va tancar.
Des de 1996 el què hi ha al País Valencià és la censura total i absoluta de mitjans en català.
Aquesta fou la primera en caure
Catholicism is fucking cancer,expecially nowadays the Pope is literally a useless twat
I wish papacy never existed
>Romanian,aromanian and dalmatian(extinct) are balkanic romance language
Huh? Oh you meant Romance in the balkans then? The phrase Balkan romance refers to a specific branch of languages that does not include any of those languages.
In fact Dalmatian is part of the Italo-Dalmatian branch.
Meh. The synopsis doesn't seem too entertaining.
Aromanian is not a balkan Romance language. It's an Eastern Romance!
Romanian was formed in balkans at Serbia-Romania border
istro-romanin is romanian , they migrated from here
la verdad es que no, prefiero ser gay porque no me gusta el tema que hay con las mujeres
me libro de, si tengo una novia y le da el venazo, de decir falsamente que la he maltratado sin pruebas, que me declaren culpable
y un monton de cosas asi. pienso que sin mujeres estoy mas seguro
>Aromanian is not a balkan Romance language. It's an Eastern Romance!
Eastern Romance languages kind of happen to be spoken in the Balkans and North of it.
Are you one of the muh heritage faggots?
the Roman catholic faith emerged due to the discomfort of the Western Roman empire with monotheism. By the time christianism reached the west it was mostly populated by germanic barbarian filth.
That, plus the rhetoric of the rennesance that i feel led to protestantism and the utilitarian neo-liberalism of today.
there is no such thing as istro-romanian!
they migrated from here.
only aromanian and romanian exist, the only balkan romance languages that survived
Any of you have read Thermae Romae?
You don't even have to be a weeaboo to enjoy it.
Me di cuenta hoy mirando instagrams que a uno al que todo el mundo le hacia bullying (menos yo) se ha vuelto fan de PXXR GVNG y ha comprado una entrada para su concierto
no me lo creo kek
romanian and aromanian are the only balkan romance languages that survived!
both were formed in the same place, Serbia-Romania border
yes, i know also of a romance language in Pannonia,today hungary, that "went" extinct.
I say went in "" because romanians inhabited along with slavs, Panonnia before magyars came so its possible that that romance is just proto-romanian
hes probably fucking her right now :))
pero que coño es esto? Son unos putos charnegos que se creen gangsta?
No fue exactamente así. Se emitía ilegalmente porque el PSOE en los 80 no le salió de los cojones crear un múltiplex como en Baleares.
Entonces la gente que quería empezó a pagarle a ACPV para que crease una red repetidora y en poco tiempo consiguieron el dinero.
Instalaron la red de antenas y repetidores y el PSOE lo permitió.
Entonces cuando entró a gobernar el PP empezaron el trámite para cortar la emisión teniendo a su favor el tema de la legalidad.
Lo que quiero decir es que es cierto tanto que emitía ilegalmente como que fue injusto desde el principio.
son andaluces casi todos, el moro y el de la nariz de granada, el del tatuaje en la cara de madrid y el otro de granada tambien, son unos que van de macarras del ghetto, me gustan las bases que usan, eso si.
>Nips trying to pronounce Latin is quite hilarious.
Just for this I will.
The thought of it sounds pleasing. Thank you, Hans.
>Are you one of the muh heritage faggots?
Sure am. Hardly see what that has to do with anything we are discussing however.
Take a look at pic related. You'll notice that there is no branch called Balkan under Romance. The reason is that, in Linguistics, balkan romance can carry two meanings. Romance languages in the balkan and a hypothetical branch of romance languages or a signle language that was/were potentially spoken in the balkans prior to slavic migrations. That's were I'm disagreeing with you. There's also North African Romance, which we know from records did exists we just know nothing about it.
>the Roman catholic faith emerged due to the discomfort of the Western Roman empire with monotheism.
Except the roman see upheld christological and trinitarian orthodoxy in the councils(except Honorius)
>By the time christianism reached the west it was mostly populated by germanic barbarian filth.
And Greece carries on the proud byzantine tradition of calling Western Romans barbarians...
>That, plus the rhetoric of the rennesance that i feel led to protestantism and the utilitarian neo-liberalism of today.
No, roman catholic corruption gave rise to protestantism(yes, that's WAS your fault, catholics), and neo-liberalism came from atrocious mutations of protestantism that would make Luther roll in his grave.
And it is ironic to hear you say that, since the Renaissance was partially born of greek refugees bringing ancient texts and stuff from Constantinopole to the West.
I just visit /a/ like once every year. Found a thread about it a long time ago and thought a story about bathrooms was fucking stupid, but loved every bit of it in the end.
I was sad because I thought it would never have the popularity it deserves, so you bring me great news, man.
Also I'll read the thread before posting next time
Romania and Aromanian are twin languages!
They were created after Roman collonists were brought in Dacia, Aromanian was formed in Serbia(Timoc) while Romanian in Transylvania-Banat.
So Aromanian is balkanic romance and romanian eastern BUT romanian is also balkanic since aromanian is.
sure man, she wanted those roman genes
The smallest Latin country managed to be the first european country to reach Japan and other east asian/asian countries and was the sole reason the ottomans didn't fully invade eastern europe.Nowadays it's the 2nd most spoken latin language and the one the is growing the most.
Checkmate motherfuckers.I'm going to take a sip of Porto Wine.
i love ancient greek art but hate its abrahamic manifestation in Italy.
nah they just manipulated the meanings so it would suit their idololatric instincts.
In general The EAST developed in accordance to the esotericism of Plato, whilst the west in accordance to the naturalism of Aristotle.
For some reason i never found positivist achievement to carry any significance (or atleast the significance the west gives to it)
it's pretty obvious that prior to the separation by Slavs, the "proto-Romanian" Balkan Romance language was somewhere in between Romanian and Aromanian. These languages have remained separated for centuries and they are still mutually intelligible. The spread of the Romanian people in the Balkans indicates that people where separated by the Slavs and other migrating tribes.
Hold your horses, Ionut, the only muslims who culturally enriched Portugal were moors.
But they're still overstating their importance. It was venetians and the spanish at Lepanto who neutered the Ottomans at sea.
it sounds like that yugoslav war music to me, I thought greek music was better (no offense)
I am not romanian I speak catalan and spanish and I can't understand anything, they say Maria and guapa but I don't think it means the same than in spanish
its the continuation of the church established by Jesus in year 33
everything else is sect
but we were vassals and The Gate dictated that they were not allowed to build mosques or take vlach women, thats why we have 0 mosques from there
maria is a name
its greek rhytm, and manele have turkish-balkanic rhytm
it does not sound as manele, not at all
>> According to the linguistic census held by the Government of Catalonia in 2013, Spanish is the most spoken language in Catalonia (46.53% claim Spanish as "their own language"), followed by Catalan (37.26% claim Catalan as "their own language").
> the first proto-european people
Let's let this kingz an shiet discourse to the macedonians, alright?
How about an actual penis measuring contest?
Don't listen to him. He's literally a 16 years old autist that spouts this kind of shit on /pol/ and /balk/ nonstop. He embarrasses us everywhere he goes.
Great. Another fucking place that'll hate us because of you. Seriously kill yourself you fucking autist, why haven't you taken the hint yet?
our traditional music differs per region, what he's describing is closer to epirus and northern greece where the clarinet is more prominent, islands for example use more lyra/violin and such instruments
while the refugees from asia minor have rempetiko and use bouzouki/kanonaki etc
>aromanians(armani) are actually the first proto-european people, the pelasgians, who got romanised
Are you the guy who said that dacians spoke latin before the conquest?
Fucking hell, is there a place in this site that you won't go to shit up with your nigger tier KINGZ N SHIET information?
>spoke a "sister" of latin
Persian is a fucking sister of Latin. Your words are empty.
Why don't you go fuck your sister and leave us in peace. Every fucking indo-european language is a "sister" of each-other, but that doesn't mean the welsh can understand bydlospeak.
He's severely autistic and does this kind of shit everywhere he goes. It's annoying.
t h i s
>"los alicantinos no hablan valenciano"
>"los madrileños no hablan castellano"
duele mucho ser minoría en tu propia tierra, no os lo recomiendo castellabros
El éxodo rural se dio en todos los países europeos, la gente emigraba de las zonas rurales a las ciudades industriales como París, Londres, Milán o Berlín. En el caso de España emigraron a Barcelona, Madrid, Bilbao, Valencia, Sevilla, Zaragoza... y fíjate que ni en Madrid, ni en Valencia, ni en Sevilla ni en Zaragoza los llamaron inmigrantes.
New Roman Empire, when?
Southern Europe should leave the EU and make there own. The currency can be the denaro, better than the euro. All Romance languages can be the official language. And since you're all fed up with Arab migrations - block it!
Mama, esti cumva si ratatul ala care si-a facut laba la povestea criminalului aluia de razboi?
Pe bune, cat de patetic poti sa fi.
I'm not a chicano, m8.
Italy is already a net contributor to the EU. Rather than giving that money to Poland give it to Greece and Portugal.
They always do.
por que mentís, manolitos?
>Al contrario sucede en Valencia, donde el 72% tiene el castellano como idioma inicial, mientras que el catalán solo es la lengua inicial del 22,6%.
The place is good to live, with an industrial past and good education. Above the Spanish average in almost everything. This is why, considering Spain entered a HUGE Recession because muh eurozone, now many Catalans think they will be better by being independent. (Now liking Spain makes you a semi fascist.) Oportunistic Catalan leaders (Artur Mas) took this chance to promote the independence of "his" country.
>Nobody gives money to nobody.Only the ECB gives.
Italy contributes billions of Euros which are then redistributed - mostly to former Soviet-bloc countries. They aren't giving them per se, but much does end up in Polish hands.
Can't build a wall in the Mediterranean.
pero en esos sitios no tenian una lengua propia que fue sustituida por la de los immigrantes. (a parte de Valencia)
Mis abuelos mismos nunca se vieron como el resto de españoles, siempre hablaban de "los castellanos"
And so do we,most of our infrastructures were built with EU hand-given money.
We have nothing to blame on them
We got FREE 100 billion dollars since our entry into the EU
nope, pero no le encuentro belleza, quizas es porque hace tiempo no veo una (en el porno de lesbianas se ven poco) pero no se te hace algo raro?
es como el cuello de una vieja, arrugada y tal
el término "español" se inventó para que las regiones no castellanas intentaran sentir la lengua de los castellanos como algo propio
pero no coló
>tfw I'll never return
>tfw stuck into this shithole forever
Domande se, fradel. Noi saime fenal de nuestra dessendiansia. Na sapaime co i jultri dai porta
capisisstu un pôc di furlan, o cjacaraiso dome venit in Cravuazie?
>tfw can go to Napule whenever I want
>tfw family has empty houses that they'd gladly give me
>mfw who the fuck wants to go to Napoli?