>>53967488 Wasn't a lot of that stuff in some countries muslims wanting to establish themselves as the rulers of an area? Like Egypt, those Muslim Brotherhood guys. The guy they elected was crazy and eventually arrested.
>>53967732 In was a failure for Egypt It was a failure for Libya It was a failure for Syria It was a success for Tunisia It was a success for Saudi Arabia It was a success in Kuwait It was a success in Oman
>>53967851 >success for Saudi Arabia there was no revolution/protests were cracked down in Saudia Arabia >success in Kuwait there was no revolution/protests were cracked down in Kuwait >success in Oman there was no revolution/protests were cracked down in Oman u wot nigga
I didn't really get the "Arab Spring". Middle East still seems like a shithole to me. As far as I can tell, Arab Spring was just Occupy Wall Street for the middle east and nothing changed, Arabs are still miserable 3rd world.
Is the USA the only nation in history with a truly successful revolution?
>>53977724 well, not necessarily. Majority's will isn't always people's will. People's will means, in a democratic system, the will of the group that holds "power politique". So %40 of the people can direct "people's will", while %49,5 might not. If people's will dictates Sharia, then "let it be", you must say, if you believe yourself to be democratic.
Its a real question. I can't think of one. Europeans like to talk about the "French Revolution" but ultimately that was just a few decades of horribly bloody shit followed by....another monarch. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a revolution if you take shit and replace it with some other shit. Arabs may have changed their government but if the Middle East is still a shithole.
By truly successful I mean an oppressed people forcibly throwing off an oppressive government (monarch, dictator etc) and establishing a successful and prosperous Republic that manages to stand for at least another 200 years afterward. Or even 100 years. USA did this, but I can't think of any other nation that has. Then again I am not up on more ancient history.
>>53978034 You jumped into the conclusion that the church and state must be seperate. That is just your own version of ideal state. A state/government might very well be democratic without being secular/laic. Besides, Islam itself dictates the choosing of the leader to be elected, however for lifetime. So sharia=!undemocratic
I actually kinda like the whole ISIS thing. Sure it has ruined a bunch of history and caused a refugee and humanitarian crisis and killed hundreds of thousands of people, but they're inevitably going to lose. Better that we should rip the band aid off now and kill these fuckers than let them fester into the future and end up in a worse spot.
>>53978244 >Besides, Islam itself dictates the choosing of the leader to be elected, however for lifetime. fuck, I fucked up, tried to form two sentences that meant the same thing:D I meant, Islam dictates that the ruler must be elected. For life time.
>still doesn't understand the fundamental requirement of a stable, healthy society to have a separation of religion and state No wonder why you people have incredibly weak state institutions and can never get on your feet. We should have let the British/Ottomans/French keep you.
>>53978304 Despotic regime apologist. Libya was breaking apart under Gaddafi and unemployment was at 30%. The government opened fire on protesters. But this oil rich country had a high HDI so I should be sad this dictator scum is dead. No thanks.
>>53978715 of course Argentina has to make everything about race. ISIS is going to lose, everybody realizes this because they've united the world against them. Hopefully their example will pose as an example of religious extremism in the ME and ultimate lead to more stability.
Tell me what you think a successful criteria should be.
Because what France and Russia and countless African/Arab "revolutions" did is take one shit system...and replace it with more shit. That's not a "revolution" that is a "regime change".
The USA overthrew a monarchy and replaced it with a stable Republic. Not a fragile shit republic that then fell to the next monarch lined up. A real Republic that would become one of the most prosperous nations on Earth. I am sure other revolutions fit the bill but it seems that far far far more just fall flat on their face.
UK, Liechtenstein, Norway, and many other successful nations don't have a separation of religion and state. How are you defining healthy and stable? Vatican City is pretty stable and they are an outright pure theocracy.
Because it meant their actual revolution failed. Like, maybe one day the Middle East won't be a shithole. Doesn't mean we should credit the Arab spring.
French "revolution" took down the monarchy, yes. It also caused untold amounts of genocide and murder of men, women, and children and cultural destruction for anyone who didn't support them (look up War in the Vendee for example). The "republic" founded lasted 12 years. Then there was 65 years of monarchs. That is a "regime change", no different than what has happened in countless other dictatorships and monarchies throughout history. Even now the current French Republic dates til 1958.
Not like the US Revolution at all. The US Revolution simply has never been replicated. I don't know how we did it but we did.
>>53979491 Well according to scripture, only the Antichrist will be able to bring peace in the Middle East.
Supposing that it is all true, it would be quite the moral conundrum. Should one support the son the Satan if he is the one bringing peace and prosperity? Or is it better to ensure complete nutjobs of power so that a perpetual conflict is guaranteed, therefore bringing security to the rest of the world?
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