>>53953970 The world's fucked and the future is bleak, your egotistical stubbornness that your kid will be special and won't be raised in a hostile environment full of misery and suffering is no reason to bring another life into this endless downward spiral called life.
>>53953887 not unless you want children, it feels like having bastards is still frowned on in a lot of areas in the west, no doubt once the boomers are all gone millennials won't have a problem with it and most kids will be born out of wedlock.
>The world's fucked and the future is bleak, your egotistical stubbornness that your kid will be special and won't be raised in a hostile environment full of misery and suffering is no reason to bring another life into this endless downward spiral called life
I sort of feel like asking my brother in-law that. I mean, I think my sister is a psycho and I was a groomsman. The whole time I wanted to say "you're making a mistake dude, just don't."
Good luck with that shit when it basically lands on you. Once they've gotten near the wedding date they get their friends together and move like a wolf pack. Death be to you if you attempt to say it's a bad idea.
I mean, I'm definitely non-traditional. I know I'm a better cook than most women and I actually don't want some goddamn amateur anywhere near that shit. So that's out the window. Still, I think gender roles are pretty fucking well-defined by physical anatomy.
>>53953887 To stop the middle eastern and North Africans breeding whites out of existence.
Feminism is only prevalent in the west, and it turns white women away from marriage, away from creating families because it's "patriarchy" and "oppressive". Men get sick of women, the relations between the two sexes gets broken apart. Feminism is a lesbianic movement designed to make women hate men.
We must first end the new wave of feminism. We must then take back marriage and have children.
>>53953887 yesh, the ideology of marriage haš in fact grown increašingly more important over the last few decadesh as a reveršal of the liberatory movements of the mid 20th century.
Whereaš free life without , how do you šay, wedlock, was idolatriouš, now the mainstream contrarianism, aš it were, ish becoming marriage itšelf. As the ideology iš corroded from the outside through further banalisation and factorš like dropping natality, the čentral core of the ideology will be further strenghtened and so on and so on
It depends. Most women aren't worth it, at least here. They don't marry for the promise to live together forever, but for an expensive event with them in the center of the attention. I guess there'll be some women somewhere that are different, but in the western world they are hard to find.
>>53954123 that's exactly why it's frowned on, it's seemed as a lowlife thing to do
>>53954087 the reason for it doesn't matter, it's the fact that it happens at all that people disapprove of
>>53954142 part of it is probably that the UK is still very conservative compared to the colonies and the rest of western europe. the media likes to make a noise about how progressive we are, but by western standards we're very traditional.
>>53954953 It doesn't say anything about the circumstances of the births, whether they were planed or not, so unless you're going to imply to me they were definitely all planned births then this doesn't contribute much.
>>53954982 against new left? you give people too much credit
the decline of marriage has to do with erosion of the family structure without meaningful supplementation to support the need to become a working professional no ideological twist can make it desirable that affects a large percent of the population
Well, logically speaking, we know that the best move is not to play.
We wait until it's even an uneven match to marry. At least then we have a chance. Otherwise it's everything against you. With every media outlet trying to tell you that as a male, you're a horrible bastard and nothing you do will every make you as wonderful as the slag that can take everything you've ever worked for from you in an instant.
Sounds ridiculous? Well, that's the perception of a lot of smart males. Which is why they've become very reclusive no matter how attractive, how much money they're making, anything.
>Why can't I find a decent guy?
They're fucking avoiding you, and what you'll pull out of your ass as soon as you catch us in your devil spawn spider web.
>>53954459 well, you're thinking waaaay too much in absolutes for my tastes.
I think "the west" aka anglos were fucked over, ideologically, by the joint efforts of libertarianism and 2nd wave feminism, where now, careerism is so idealised. Generally, I think either parent can serve as "the caretaker" (beyond those beginning 2 formative years, where the woman should probably be the primary caretaker), but ideally, at least one parent should sacrifice his career for this. Not necessarily be a stay at home parent, but nevertheless.
I mean sure, we have certain leanings because of our hormonal balances and brain structures and so on, but honestly, we're "quite fucking evolved", I'm sure most people can handle going a bit beyond their base mammalian instincts.
>>53953887 >Is there a reason for our generation to get married anymore?
The reason has been the same throughout history - you're hoping you create sane children that will take care of you when you get old. Also the off chance one of them might get rich and buy you a house in a nice place or some shit.
Religionucks want to make it sound like a spiritual fucking experience but fact of the matter is, it's always been about as base and materialistic as it can get.
Once you stop thinking with ideologies and start thinking with your brain you realize making kids is the easiest and most elementary way of ensuring a good future for yourself in any case.
You have to ignore the retarded feminist influence in this country. The baby boomers really fucked everything up with the "we can do it too! but...we don't really want to do any of that..." mentality.
They should really stick to what they know.
I mean sure. There are a lot of women who can do jobs just as well as men. Yet they have no fucking business making it a part of our culture when they're in a minority that barely breaks into a small, obscure percentile.
Especially when they're treated with so much respect just for doing it. They should stop pretending like they're victims of an imaginary villain.
something goes awry in your brain when you get old. you might start considering things differently when your looks and health go to shit and you realize you've hit the ceiling of your career either way op doesn't sound like he wants to change his mind, making plans for shit that's gonna happen 10, 20 years from now is retarded anyway since there's no way life is gonna turn out how you expect
>>53956230 >The baby boomers really fucked everything up I find the fact young Americans blame everything on the generation that made their country as great as it is today as not only hilarious but a bit melancholic as well.
Goes to show that - indeed - no good deed goes unpunished.
Can't wait for the weed smoking socialists and ultraconservative new wave homesteaders to "fix" your country. It's a fact you can only go downwards from where you are at the moment but damn, no need to strive for it with gusto.
>>53956189 Bad marriages are even worse for children. When two people are matured and rational enough to get into this sort of thing, I am sure they can tackle the question of children much than some bitter divorced parents do.
>>53956614 I'm not even thinking elderly, more like middle age, 35, 40 your hair start falling, your muscles catabolize, your gut starts growing, suddenly you realize you're not getting any richer and you're life is not starting anymore
>>53956967 >moldova and bulgaria are the only anti-natalists
>>53955859 >Once you stop thinking with ideologies and start thinking with your brain you realize making kids is the easiest and most elementary way of ensuring a good future for yourself in any case.
What part of this is anti natalist. I'm just saying family making isn't any less nihilistic than anything else. If anything it's more nihilistic.
Heck considering kids nowadays spend 99% of their time at the tablet or cellphone I'd love to make 10 of those little fucks. And I'll make damn sure they're all doctors and dental surgeons and shit, so I can live on yacht when I retire.
Making kids in socialist countries is ezpz. Everything is basically free - school, high school, university. All I have to pay for is clothes and shit. And I even get money for that shit.
There is no logical reason to not have kids in Europe desu.
And I'm a fucking transhumanist and top fedora telling it as it is. It's a literal easy mode living.
Kids are benefits with zero negatives attached - apart from the off chance one of em dies and you get depressed of course.
>>53957128 >Ignoring the cost of food >Fuel or other expense for taking them to school and shit >Don't have to give them allowance or pay for them to go out with their friends or anything, obviously, since we all know future doctors just sit inside staring at the wall till they're 18 >Ignoring having to pay for the iPhones and tablets they bury themselves in >Assuming they'll all just be successes because you just want them to be
And you have to consider, I am presenting the male view. Women are the ones that need to carry and shit the little tumors out.
If someone comes up with an artificial womb so women don't have to actually waste an year feeling like shit every time she gets pregnant I suspect the birthrate problem in the West will be solved.
>>53957399 >>Ignoring the cost of food Calorie restriction is healthy and also food here is cheap. Bread, cheese and veggie erry day. >>Fuel or other expense for taking them to school and shit Did I mentioned I live in Europe? You grab those little fucks by the hand and you walk em to school. Heck I used to go to school alone when i was first grade. There's a kindergarten 300 meters from where I live and a school at about 100. The highschool is 400ish meters away.
>>Don't have to give them allowance or pay for them to go out with their friends or anything Yeah. They would spend the money on unhealthy shit anyway. They'll have tablets (80$ a pop I can manage that), what more entertainment do they fucking need? And you can rotate the toys. When one shit grows up give im his big bros bike, buy the big bro a new bike ez.
>>Assuming they'll all just be successes That's why you have more than one. If anything retards having a single kid are pretty much ensuring they'll create a failure. Kids need someone to one up, if they are to grow up with a winner mentality.
And the rest is just the fact of life of socialist Europe. You get monetary benefits for having kids. And that includes all countries in Europe, heck my country is one of the lest giving in that regard really. I'd argue having 10 kids in Germany is probably about as easy as having one. That's why Turks manage to raise 5-6 kids there no problem while working menial jobs.
Stop hoarding your money. You don't make much anyway. Your kids will make that in a decade if you have 5 of them. And if you're making a lot why is making a bunch a kids a problem?
I guess not, since having children out of marriage isn't a taboo anymore. To just pay the alimony, see the kids a little on the weekends and get on with your life seems like a good option. The only reasons for you to get married here in Brazil is either religious or your partner pressure to have a bigger wedding them their peers.
I'm a white guy in BR, the rarest type of person here.
I've been donating my sperm since I was 18. I'm 25 now and have 4 confirmed children from random ladies out there.
This is the best way to create life desu, my DNA is out there and I didn't have to ruin my life to do it. I dunno if the women were black though, so it wouldn't count.
No reason to get married whatsoever, I believe the future is going to be man exchanging sex for a few drinks with random girls and donating their sperm to keep their lineage while betas marry and become slaves.
handyman meme is still a huge thing here. men respect each other more when they know you are capable of creating something from nothing, and women get wet seeing men work with their hands. it's all about taming endless nature and turning it into something useful or beautiful
t. come from an extensive and long line of blue collar handymen types
>>53954091 this is true. im 26 and have a 2 year old. is harder on my wife we both work but i have some social time. my wife only leaves the house with me (not counting daily shopping) she is very loud but loyal and obediente. i donk know why this fagots are cryng about. your woman is what you make of her.
>>53954252 also this. i started dating mine 7 years ago she was 16 year old. i had to mildly beat her every once in a while. never layed a finger onn her since she was pregnant, she appreciates it and has become a fine woman who gives me everything . i have utter and complte control of my home. all the money everything. secret? pick a young woman with a nice father, fuck her like there is no tomorrow everytime and Never be beta in public
>>53953887 >Is there a reason for our generation to get married anymore? Yeah, despite the fact that it's not only common but pretty much expected that each man and woman can support themselves financially, it's important for pair bonding.
>>53953970 I've read all of these horror stories from degenerates on /r9k/ about how their wives stop having sex with them, but they don't want to destroy their families so they just start cheating on their wives.
Aside from the humiliation of having to settle down with some fun-seeking partygirl who fucked hundreds of guys she'll be thinking about while she's with you, the whole thing just sounds like a nightmare in terms of how much benfit a man really has and how much power he has in any relationship.
I think basically a man's only power is the power to quit and find a different girl. If you get married, you're neutering yourself. I think you should expect a lot more from a potential partner if you're willing to do it, and our women offer next to nothing.
>>53960921 >white dress is supposed to represent purity >women wear it after taking cumloads from any hot guys who would bother, getting blackout drunk numerous times, and trying every pill and powder they could get their hands on
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