German appreciation thread.
>inb4 "t. charlemagne"
I think that the history of the Germans is fascinating, yet tragic.
Remember that, prior to the rise of Prussia and the ebin warmonger memes, the "German realm" was a land of brilliant thinkers, crafty workers and rich culture.
Hmm, good question.
Maybe more alliances through marriages, but I think they would have gloriously failed because they wouldn't and couldn't kick ass without a stronk leader keeping all the mini nations from escaping.
Seriously their armies were a mess because no one understood anyone.
No that came LATE, it walso was just instrumentalised.
In general it was central against "fedral" powers.
The lrods wnated indipendence, they voted the emperors and so every emperor had to make mroe concessions to the lords to be voted over his rivals by the elector counts.
Therefore imperial authority dwindled, except when some kick ass emperors appeared.
Please explain this, I thought it was about unifiying all german people.
Well except Austria because Bismarck didnt want to fight a big war over some Balkan clay (oh the irony).
Most lords just thought, when evangelism spread: "Nice , a way to get all those tasty monastery and churhc lands and ursurp lord-bishops realms and money too!"
They also used it to get, again, more independence against the catholic emperor.
What do germans have to be proud of? We never liberated someone, democracy never worked until Americans showed us, we have commited countless genocides against nambians and hereros, we literally genocided each other while the rest of europe unified and became whole nations, we started 2 world wars and destroy everything non german in our path
Check it out germanic servants ! I'm made of gold.
It is amazing indeed. Gold is a very valuable commodity. You are very powerful and I have no choice but to submit to my servile instincts and become your vassal. I totally didn't have any plans for independence or world relevance by the way.
But my germanic brother, this is karls Reliquary situated in Aachen, his favourite Kaiserpfalz.
How can we submit to ourself except by aligning ourself ethically to the greater good of the german people?
>>We need another Bismarck.
He did great while he was at it, but therein also lay the problem. He was such a genius that nobody was able to continue what he did, so it all went to shit after he was sacked.
They didn't really want to. In 1848 the concept of a nation state was still in its infancy and the Austrians of the day didn't think of themselves as Austrians or Germans but rather as Austrio-Hungarians, in the sense that they were the chosen people of a great empire. Their unwillingness to commit to a German nation state (as it would have meant giving up their empire) made the smaller German solution the best choice, as Bismarck knew well.
Don't confuse economics with politics. Industrialization made revolutions much more likely. And then, of course, there's a difference between what the leaders want and what the plebs want.
Yeah. At least his advisers weren't completely stupid. They sought an alliance with Britain. And most probably Bismarck would have, too, if he hadn't been sacked. Even worse, by today's knowledge WWI might never have happened or played out entirely different if a few things had changed. Archduke Ferdinand, who got killed in Sarajevo, was seeking deescalation and he had planned to sack his most hawkish military guy first thing he returns from the trip. What's more, Britain actually sought to get nearer to Germany because they were fed up with Russia, because their treaty which made clear each other's sphere of influence in Afghanistan was being violated constantly by Russia.
But stupid Willi was worse than his advisers and wanted to do everything alone with his "Politik der freien Hand"
>Remember that, prior to the rise of Prussia and the ebin warmonger memes, the "German realm" was a land of brilliant thinkers, crafty workers and rich culture.
Combine P R U S S I A with the rich culture and you get the best thing possible
Reminder that without Prussia, Germany is just a shadow of itself
>we started 2 world wars
That wasn't us, we might have contributed a little bit though (WWI, WWII is our fault)
>democracy never worked until Americans showed us
The Empire was quite a nice place even without real democracy
Also the Weimar republic
A tenth of his country is already underwater due to rising ocean levels. His country will be an Atlantis of south asian ineptitude.
Perhaps archeologists in there future will be interested in the fossilized shit in their sunken streets.
>Well the Poles wont give it back and the spirit has been erased.
Which is why modern Germany isn't really as great as it could be
Not saying that I want war with anyone, but taking such a massive part of a country (in all aspects) away is like a castration.
Even after the rise of Prussia Germany was home to all these, take for example the massive German contribution to the second industrial revolution. The problem was that the unification of Germany fucked over the balance of power in Europe.
Yeah someone like Hegel seems to revel in the idea of making things sound as complicated as possible. On the other hand you can sometimes have excellent translations. E.g. some have suggested that modern English translations of Clausewitz are far more readable even to Germans than the original. That may be true not only because of the very old fashioned language Clausewitz uses but also because Americans especially have taken such a great interest in Clausewitz that the existence of great translations follows naturally.
>The problem was that the unification of Germany fucked over the balance of power in Europe.
Hmm, I wouldn't see it as so monocausal. Christopher Clark has called the outbreak of the First World War as one of the most complex events or perhaps the most complex event in all of history.