>"I don't think you can underestimate how bad the situation in Russia is right now, you've got oil below any measure where the budget can survive and you've got sanctions from the West. Russia is in what I'd call a real serious economic crisis,"
Is Russia finished?
You've totally underestimated Russia's ability to balkanize in order to survive
Russian GDP in 1998 was $195 Billion,
Crude went for $17 a barrel
$1 traded for 7 RUB
Russian GDP at the start of 2014 was over $2,300 Billion
Today Crude still goes for ~$28 a barrel
$1 trades for 85 RUB
What the fuck economics?
Looks like it.
I would rather literally allow some european man fuck me in the ass for 20$ than think about maintaining my business.
Sorry, but this will never happen. And sending the Russian people into poverty will only strengthen their resistance and hate for the West and their ideals.
You want to "finish" Russia as it is, you'd have to do what was done to (West) Germany.
They have avoided to burn their reserves and limited its deficit to a modest 3-4% of GDP with some painful medicine. It is not healthy, but Russia’s Central Bank is more competent than during the 90s, unlike other countries that are truly desperate.
Aren't we all in a bad situation ? Finance is playing harder than ever. We'll (US and Europe especially) soon have to pay for the mistakes of private banks.
And not even talking about international politic... which have also great potential into fucking up everything, Syria, Ukraine crisis on top of my mind
>We'll (US and Europe especially) soon have to pay for the mistakes of private banks.
If you think you're not already paying every single time there's a miscalculation, you're in denial.
Mutually assured destruction isn't really that mutual huh?
Sometimes the protagonist needs to realize that his enemy is truly his greatest friend, before he can reach resolution of his story
During 6 years of Boris Yeltsin in Russia has increased the budget 712 times (from 316 bn. In 1991 to 225 TRILLION ROUBLES in 1997)
GDP increased in 2879 times (from 0.89 trillion rubles in 1991 to 2,562.6 TRILLION ROUBLES by 1997)
The average wage in Russia increased in 1800 times (from 500 rubles. In 1991 to 900 THOUSAND ROUBLES in 1997)
The average pension in Russia increased in 1459 times (from 220 rubles. In 1991 to 321 THOUSAND ROUBLES in 1997)
He stopped cold war, became friends with all the countries of the West, has chosen the European path for Russia's development.
Also destroyed the poor shittyunion that completely priceless.
By January 1998, the dollar fell to 5562 rubles \ dollar up to 5 rubles per dollar.
The prices of all products have fallen a thousand times, bread cost 3.6 rubles, sugar 12 rubles \ kg, potatoes 3.5 rubles \ kg.
Yeltsin, for all the fails had been one of the best rulers of Russia. Not because he was awesome, but because others were worse. It is the first time for a thousand year history Russians gave freedom, the ability to engage in business, the ability to acquire ownership of the land and travel abroad with impunity be believer or atheist, and even made an unsuccessful, but still attempt to get Russia to the normal path of development.
So why do you hate this greates man for?
>Yeltsin, for all the fails had been one of the best rulers of Russia
Everyone is afraid of Russia so the ruble devalues a lot. That makes Russia's economy look worse even though in reality it produces the exact same shit as last year (actually it went down 3.5%).
Measuring an economy can be done in two way. Nominal or PPP. PPP tries to adjust for the fact a dollar in Russia buys more goods than a dollar in Norway.
In Russia's case PPP is much more accurate. For states that are not under sanctions, nominal is better.
They've had a taste of the good life now, if they suddenly can't afford to buy 50 pack of Vodka and the subscription of their favourite online game to shit up I'd expect a mass uprising by the youth at least.
Not how it works senpai.
Also, oil's collapse had 0 to do with Ukraine. If anything it made the price go up for a few months (Crimea was March while oil peaked in July).
The collapse had two catalysts.
OPEC in November 2014 chose a market share strategy, and the world economy slowed.
PPP in Russia is about as useful as PPP in your country
>GDP increased in 2879 times (from 0.89 trillion rubles in 1991 to 2,562.6 TRILLION ROUBLES by 1997)
Dude just how fucking high are you at this moment?
Your GDP tanked throughout Yeltsin era. Both nominal and PPP.
It's good bait.
He is measuring the economy in NOMINAL ruble terms. Russia had 100,000% inflation over 1991-2000 so the ruble went into hyperinflation.
That means even though everyone was way poorer under Drunk Slav, they all earned 1000x rubles.
So just as accurate?
How did it feel to supposedly lose 4% of your economic power because of a few words from one guy?
Surely nominal measurement is the most reasonable and accurate measure of economic power.
Go fuck yourself. Currencies aren't freely traded and momentum trades, behavioral economics, and sanctions all fuck with Nominal measurements.
American Nominal and PPP are the same you
You're making no sense.
By WHY did ruble devalued so much?
Their total exports in 2015 weren't even half a trillion $$$. This can't be about oil prices. In no year ever did Russia export trillion worth of crude but their nominal GDP tanked by trillion.
That's a pile of emotional estimates.
How is bad? We know it's bad.
Real serious? We have crisis, we know that.
How is it below budget survivg if we survive?
Not stable and dangerous place? Anything but that.
Russian political parties represented in the Duma in 1999
>Communist Party (marxist-leninist)
>Unity (centrist populism & statism)
>Fatherland – All Russia (authoritarian centrism)
>Union of Rightist Forces (liberal conservatism)
>Zhirinovsky Bloc (right-wing populism & nationalism)
>Yabloko (social liberalism)
>Our Home – Russia (classical liberalism)
Russian political parties represented in the Duma in 1999
>United Russia (PUTIN EMPEROR RUSSIA STRONG!!11)
>Communist Party (PUTIN EMPEROR RUSSIA STRONG!!11 also communism!11)
>LDPR (PUTIN EMPEROR RUSSIA STRONG!!11 also greater russia!11)
>A Just Russia (PUTIN EMPEROR RUSSIA STRONG!!11 also social democracy!11)
only a russkie fuck could go from that to this and call it progress.
Sanctions effectively didn't do a thing to Russia's economy.
Oil's 80% decrease did.
Brits and Jews are perfidious masterminds, but even they aren't perfect. No one foresaw oil's collapse. If they did then America wouldn't have invested 2$ trillion in our oil industry.
People will invest in Russian oil commodities since it's at an all time low, demand will increase for oil and therefore the decreasing supply will mean the price will increase again. So oil will be valuable just around the time that Russia learn how to efficiently harvest it in Siberia (plus the oil rights part of the Antarctic Treaty will expire soon, so Russia will be able to drill there).
I may have misunderstood your original point. Were you implying that PPP has any correlation to the general population's quality of life? Because high PPP when 1% of the population owns about 86% of the total wealth is not an "accurate" indication whatsoever, and in this instance both countries apply to this.
Nominal is local currency versus Dollar value. If everyone gets afraid that the ruble will devalue, they sell their rubles for dollars.
Everyone knew Russia was going to stagnate in 2014 because of oil's collapse. But because no one wants a guaranteed small loss, they all sell their rubles trying to get in front of the crowd.
Russia's GDP dropped 4% since peaking in June 2014. A guaranteed 4% drop in Ruble fair value. Everyone knew that was coming so they sold rubles. But when you do that a 4% depreciation turns into a 20 then a 40 then a 60.
This depreciation leads to inflation, capital outflows, and eventually an even worse recession.
You're not making any sense. Maybe that's why you were confusing.
Sorry if I an arguing the wrong point.
Russia's only down 4% in reality from June 2014. Nominally it's down 70%.
Still, in real terms that's HHUUUUUGEEEE.
America dropped 4% in 2008 during our crisis.
Autists like triggering other people on the internet.
They fixed their shit under Putin 2000-2004.
They aren't gaining a thing from leaving Ukraine. The dye is cast.
it's funny because while Russia will suck for a while, it's nothing compared to how bad Western Europe is going to be
Germany will get another 1.5 million refugees and the country will literally explode
the debt to pay for the freeloaders will skyrocket and ethnic clashes will be a daily thing
Sweden about the same
The UK will leave the European Union but won't be able to uncuck themselves because they will keep importing niggers and sands from ''muh empire''. Actually leaving the EU will shatter what's left of the UK industry
France is already in a worst situation than Russia, they just hide it better.Unemployment has been increasing non-stop, debt can't be stopped. Sarkozy will get reelected and keep importing niggers and sands because ''muh empire'' too.
And then there's the incoming financial storm. It'll be ''gg'' for Southern European countries, all will have to default and their banks (Italy and Greece) are imploding already).
But the Anglocuck prefers to look at Russia to make himself feel better...
In reality Saudis are playing with the oil right now. OPEC bs if you ask me. Then US changed IMF laws to destabalize Russia and China.
Its alright, Saudis are getting fucked in Yemen, they wont be able to do this for a long time. Russia is moving east, its all going to be ok patsane.
Kek my dad used to date an Armenian Russaboo who also lived off Fox News. Anyways she would always go on Russian sites and just keep clicking on links and constantly had viruses. He also had to pay to have here laptop replaced because she "cleaned" it with Wiimdex and destroyed it.
Saudis are cretins and have cornered themselves.
They went all in on removing Assad and getting the pipeline for future profits. Now that's not going to happen, because Iran and Russia are also in and there's nothing that Saudi backed mercenaries can do.
What's left for Saudis? Nothing, they pushed oil prices lower hoping to keep Russia out, but Russia raised the post and went in. All Saudis can do, and that's what they are doing is to keep lowering prices, hoping that Russia will eventually take the damage and leave or seek compromise.
However Russia is already taking the damage and can survive. Saudis rely entirely on foreign personnel in all sectors with the highest salaries in the world, because otherwise noone would work there and Saudi universities produce nothing but religious fanatics. Russia on the other side has its own actually quality STEMs.
I assume Kerry has promised Saudis the IMF money when Saudis will run out completely but that's yet to be seen.
But Ukraine is in total shitter already.
I don't even think Russia would be willing to administer the place if it completely collapsed.
~30 million people apparently, if you count everything behind Urals as Siberia.
Siberian district proper has around 20 million IIRC.
their bydlo jets stopped violating our airspace since downing of su24. before that we issued warning many times but they never stopped. not likely we wanted to shoot them. but it was the only language they understand.
erdogan is playing well with syrians. europe is sucking his cock and also we are getting close with israel/egypt too.
they aren't 80% males in their 20-30s like those Germany is getting
why do you think shit like the rape of Cologne happened?
you get 2.5 million people of the same culture and language, just poorer
not 1 million freeloaders, unskilled rapists
See you get it, that is the actual scenario right now.
Rest is just hysteria.
Ahahahahahaha your airspace ?? faggot they never crossed into your airspace. Good luck coming to Syria now. S400s send their regards.
Turkey will get partitioned by the end of this.
the EU will collapse and uncucked politicians will dump Erdogan among the first things
Saudi Arabia will be the battlefield of a major Middle-Eastern conflict, the Saudi royals will end up executed for the most part.
You better start evacuating Constantinople because it's time to get it back from you lurid cockroaches
Murica is literally the Great Satan
Yeah Kosovo was never Serbia, and it just so happened that NATO bombed the place and we have a clinton street there )))) Good good.
Kashmir was never ours ?? Hmm, Whom did it belong to?? The fucking Ottoman empire ?
>Ahahahahahaha your airspace ?? faggot they never crossed into your airspace. Good luck coming to Syria now. S400s send their regards.
Most evidence is they did the issue is how long they were in it and if that was grounds to shoot them down.
Pic related superior Russian navigation.
>Turkey will get partitioned by the end of this.
>You better start evacuating Constantinople
nice delusions m8.
the EU doesn't pay for shit of Russian oil
individual countries do and they will keep doing it
Merkel literally sucked Putin's oily cock a few weeks ago and approved the North Stream
>they never crossed into your airspace
well they did. russia is the who claimed it wasn't despite US approved our radar. and putin promised to prove otherwise by showing black box. but after they realized blackbox proves we are right he backpedalled and said "it is unreadeble :(("
you earned +5 putinshekels my poo friend
>S400s send their regards
it's another baloney. tuaf crossed syrian airspace many times to bomb IS..
>Pic related superior Russian navigation.
That's called ingenuity.
Those bombers don't have MFD's, so this is what they came up with.
Americans spent $50 million inventing a pen that works in space. Russians take a fucking pencil.
The navigation system is below it, which is very conviniently cropped.
MOST EVIDENCE ?? SHOW ME ?? Russia gave actual intel, it was an ambush. You and your Turkish bitches were trying something but ended up getting bitch slapped )).
You are saying those regions have the right to self proclamation, when why the hell do you bother if Crimea used said right and joined Russia later ??
You are so full of shit, those dead Turkmen are just the beginning ))
Did you hear the speech afterwards - from NATO representative - PRACTICE CALM / PEACE PRACTICE CALM / PEACE PRACTICE CALM / PEACE PRACTICE CALM / PEACE. That tells a lot to me. Russia released proper data, you can cry all you want, Western partners, there is always a price to pay.
I don't want to have anything similar with them. I'm just end with education and move far away from here
>couldn't get shitty mountains from turkmens since 60 days
well they were arming already. but if it becomes official we can arm chechens as well. i really love to watch russian conscripts getting beheaded by chechens on liveleak ))
Vladimir Putin personally wants to thank you for vehemently defending the Russian Federation on the internet.
Your monthly payment has been rasied to 344,00 Ruble.
That's a picture from /k/ and it is of a trainer SU-21 cockpit in 2010.
Also, Garmin GPS are accurate to 40 feet while Military GPS is accurate to 5.
Either way the Russians would have known where they were located.
>tuaf crossed syrian airspace many times to bomb IS
Maybe you want to say "tuaf crossed the Kurdish borders to bomb the kurds", but I didn't hear about turkish airforce activity in recent months at all.
They dont want to die - its Turkey season all year long.
Yes, yes you do. You think Chechens are not getting killed ?? We all know who helps ISIS. We got our pilot back , through your 'ambush' . 20 kms into YOUR LAND. Suck on it faggot. Turkey cannot do shit now ))
Privyet ! ti iz Donbass ??
Oh you sure showed me. Comparing NASA spending (too lazy to see if your 50 million os ecen true) with The Russian Airforce flying bombers off the shelf with handheld navigation devices. I'm sure that's why we should believe them over Turkey regarding airspace violations.
That's the weirdest thing to me desu, I suppose you lot have kept that old East vs. West mentality. In most countries where the people are forced to struggle because the Government is doing dumb shit the Government is changed (where possible), in Russia they get more votes
>le turkey helps IS meme
we got suicide bombings by IS many times and prior to that we bombed to shit out of IS. and we will keep bombing them. anyway i am done.
Because the alternatives are literally Communists, Ultranationalists (like in CoD 4), and a few socialist liberals.
The issue with Western sanctions is that now Putin has a scapegoat for the economy. When it's partly his fault for investing so much in oil.
The CIA reported this to our government.
One good act does not mean Turkey did not let 30,000 ISIS fighters through 2014-2015.
I get that, what I don't get is why there aren't more options. Surely if there's such a dire want for change there'd be other parties and yet there is none, or rather none of them get support to make them a viable option
>The Russian Airforce flying bombers off the shelf with handheld navigation devices
LMAO Dude Su-24 are older than your dad.
34's cockpit looks like this
Both Russian ground control and Syrian air defense said the plane was never in Turkish airspace.
nice proofs in there my fellow putinbot. ISIS loves us so much that's why they attacked turkey 5 times in a year that's why they call erdogan murted and they planned and failed to attack 60 more times.
anyway i won't respond further to putinbots. enjoy your delusions.
>MOST EVIDENCE ?? SHOW ME ?? Russia gave actual intel, it was an ambush. You and your Turkish bitches were trying something but ended up getting bitch slapped )).
Except they provided zero evidence while others did. Also an ambush would be something like a SAM site setup not interceptors. Russia lost a plane so I'm not sure how the US or Turkey got bitch slapped.
>You are saying those regions have the right to self proclamation, when why the hell do you bother if Crimea used said right and joined Russia later ??
I don't remember anyone here (the U.S. not 4chan) ever mentioning Kashmir and all of Yugoslavia Balkanized in a war. Russia just annexed part of one of its neighbours in violation of an agreement to respect the borders of Ukraine (we and the UK also signed it).
85% of Russians support Putin.
They have some new liberal parties starting up. Maybe they can one day help Russia.
Russia is dragged down by 1970-1980's era Russians and the destruction of the 90's.
>Both Russian ground control and Syrian air defense said the plane was never in Turkish airspace
Turks are going to say it was, Russkies are going to say it wasn't. It doesn't matter since there is nobody impartial in there to verify either.
Ad hominem, calling the source biased because of a the author's name, and proceeding to call me a pro-Russian.
I dislike Russia immensely faggot.
I dislike Turkey as well.
Not everything is so black and white "I'm good Russia bad" anyone who dislikes Turkey is Russian.
Show me your evidence of your said ''incursion''.
You see there are many players in this game you are playing in Syria. A SAM ambush would be very easily picked by Russian RADARs. Instead its YOUR F16 that crosses into the Syrian Airspace and shoots down a jet that is on a mission to bomb ISIS and poses 0 threat to Turkey.
While Turkey doesnt cease violating Greece's airspace - AT ALL )))
Regarding Crimea - you should mention those states, because you used the same law.
Read this a few times because you are very thick )) They did not violate any law. Crimea PROCLAIMED ITS INDEPENDENCE FROM UKRAINE. THEN Crimea did a vote to join Russia. Russia accepted.
These are the facts.
You just want a puppet there da ?? Too bad bro
Its not from /k/ originally it was from some military aircraft fanboy site and jalopnik (not sure of spelling). It probably is a Garmin but it's using Russia's own brand of GPS GLONAS so not sure the accuracy is the same). If they knew were they are it makes it worse and they have a history of violating airspace.
It's obviously not originally from /k/ but that's where the picture first appeared on 4chan.
Could you provide some evidence of Russia constantly violating airspace?
You mean the only reason Western politicians hate Russia is because Russian politicians hate the West.
He loves Russia and Russian power. Does that mean the Russian people do well, I don't think so.
You have liberal parties.... If your state is tyrannical how are so many of you people on 4chan?
>We got our pilot back , through your 'ambush' . 20 kms into YOUR LAND. Suck on it faggot. Turkey cannot do shit now ))
So Ivan reveals himself in all his naked Bydlo glory. Also one pilot and a Marine of yours was killed and you lost an aircraft. Turkey lost nothing.
By the way not letting the space industry experts end up in best korea and alike was one of the reasons why nasa worked with russians back in 90s, bought a lot of different shit from russia and finally got involved in the space station project (paying for the FGB/Zarya in the process). Thanks for saving our space industry in dire times based Murica, too bad we are headed to finally wreck it this time.
I guess I know more about Russian politics than you.
>Siberian district proper has around 20 million IIRC.
19 million 312 thousand 169 people.
>If they did then America wouldn't have invested 2$ trillion in our oil industry.
Or maybe it's a master ruse. After all, one of the main reasons oil prices are falling is the fact that US of A and other countries are producing oil and therefore threatening OPEC. They can't limit production like they could in the past.
I want the RIDF to be by my sides against the joos and the eternal anglos and possibly kebabs and sheiks as well.
But I don't know if I should use positive or negative reinforcement with them. What works better with ruskies, anons?