How do I get this? I want it so bad If the UK leaves the EU

Ancestry visa.

>How do I get a citizenship to a country

Jesus christ kid

>>53896387
Can't don't have grandparents that had citizenship

>>53896423
Return to pakistan desu.

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>tfw

>>53896442
I am 2nd gen eastern europoor

>>53896566
Parents?

Reeeeeeeeeeeee

>>53896582
Which one?
Poland gives them away I think.

>>53896667
Nah serbnigger

>>53896770
Google it? Maybe they give them away?

Are all of your grandparents serbian?

>>53896355
Eh, it's not worth going through all the steps just to get it when you already gave a passport from a developed country

It will cost a lot, take a lot of time

Does it only go back to grand parents or could it be great grandparents?

>>53897147
Grandparents senpai

>>53897894
Damn it sucks being too American. All I have on my my moms side is my great great grandparents from Poland and my great great grandfather from Canada :(

>>53897035
Do you know where to start to even get another passport?

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why would anyone even come here yet alone want to live here

it's shit

>>53898255
I just want to live and work in the UK. I can do a one year holiday work visa but I would have to GTFO right after. So hard to move permanently senpai

>>53898349
t. loser

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D U A L B O Y S

>>53896566
>unicorns
loving every laugh

>>53896798

Serbian passports aren't worth the paper they're printed on, only EU member passports really matter if you already have a Canadian one unless you want to live in that specific cunt.

>>53898421
Reeeesee

How ?

>>53898421

Are you a weeb or is one of your parents a degenerate race mixer?

>>53898448
Srbija will ascend soon, the president seems like a huge dick but he'll get them there

I wish there was a country that would gib me passport after like three years of guy who speaks english work

>>53898308
Yes, depends
Usually you have to become a permanent resident for a certain amount of years. The hard part is getting that visa.

After the few years you become naturalized and then get the right to a passport.

It costs a lot to go through the process to get the visa and move, and it takes a lot of time to get awarded it and then I believe it's 4-6 years of living in that country to get citizenship

>>53898493
>>53898460

Dad's a jap, it's handy since I'm studying in Japan and skipped the whole student visa application, but I think Japan forces you to choose between nationalities when you're 21/22

>>53898518

Just find an online waifu and marry her

>>53898421
Japan doesn't allow dual citizenship tbqh

>>53898574

>mother is a fucking rice burner

Do Japs hate mixed race people or is that just a meme? Which nationality would you choose?

>>53898518
Argentina, Armenia, and Bolivia do.

>>53898571
What if your grand parent was a citizen from there?

https://www.gov.uk/ancestry-visa/overview
>>53898699
Don't think so brah

It's ok we can cry together

>>53898635
Pretty sure it's a meme. I look Japanese enough to blend in until someone tries to talk to me. As for which one I'll choose, I'm not really sure yet, Japan's comfy, but I was born in England.


>>53898614
They allow it from birth to some time in your early 20's, then they make you choose between the two.

>>53898699
You used to be able to get British citizenship if you had a British grandparent. They got rid of it, and now it's only if your parents are British.

>>53898970
Brazil anon has both and didnt have to choose

He just said he renounced the Brazilian one but didn't

Do this?

>>53898924
>>53898992
That fucking sucks fuck you britbongs but you wanna let all the pakis in. Good going, good fucking going.

>>53898970
>Choosing to stay the citizen of a future islamic caliphate over the one first world country that isn't flooding itself with pooskins

>>53898970

Do you have a white man's penis or a Jap penis?

>>53899117
Jap benis desu :(

>>53898970
>giving up loli for sharia law

Ok well lets see, my sister married a guy whose some of his family lives in england. He doesn't have british citizenship but a bunch of his sister/cousins etc do. His sister lives in England.

Can I get it?

>>53899276

No, otherwise the entire population of Pakistan would also be living here?

>>53899117

Do you get any pussy on account of being a foreigner or are you too Jap looking? How do you feel about having the backstory of an anime character?

>>53899461

Second bit meant for >>53899218

>>53899019
Sounds great, if they are actually that lax about checking.

>>53899107
It's certainly a point for consideration

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>>53896355
>tfw the French monarchy promised my ancestor French citizenship for all future generations to come
>Document still exists
>Frenchfags killed the king

>>53899637

>Being a counter-revolutionary shill

Off to the guillotines you go

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>>53899685
Will you support me to restore the monarchy or what?

May I ask why you guys want a passport to this shithole? I guarantee you'll be disappointed.

>tfw 100% english
I'm jealous of you guys that have two ancestral homelands.

>>53899943

>wanting to be a mongrel with no true national identity

you betray your Queen and Britannia

>>53899461
The big giveaway that I'm not Japanese is the fact I can't speak the language very well. I've had more interest from the other international students tb.h

>>53900004
There is no English identity anymore & future british people will be more dindu than saxon. There is nothing left to hold on to.

>>53899943
You can be me with over five and is too far from any of them to get a single pass port :'(

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>mfw i can apply for UK citizenship in two years
kek i just read about the requirements

>>53898448
Meh. Serbian passports are much more convenient if someone wants to visit Russia for instance as opposed to a Canadian one.

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>>53896355
>>53896566
>>53898421
>tfw

>>53900238
How does that even happen?

>>53900185
What country are you from? What are you doing there?

>>53900185
Fuck off we're full.

>>53900238
Saw you post on /trv/ i remember

Do you speak the language?

>>53900290
If you're full you can come to America we have lots of room

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>>53898349
Muslims would love to come live in the UK.

>>53900288
uni
>>53900290
mmmmmno

>>53900670
But what country you from anon? You have a student visa ?

>>53900801
>visa
bulgaria, so no visa needed.

>>53900955
Man you're so lucky

You're doing you undergrad there? How exactly do you qualify for citizenship just curious

>>53901276
literally living here for 5 years apparently.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/481983/AN_Booklet_-__November_2015.pdf

its not like i'd need a bongo citizenship tho, i can travel around with my current passport as well

>>53901354
God dammit it's easier for a guy in Hungary to move to the UK and not me

>>53901413
Hungarians are more European than you.

>>53901413
you can always apply for a work visa, did you have a commonwealth agreement of some sort regarding immigration?

>>53901413
Why do you think we want out of the EU for?

>>53901450
There's a 1 year work holiday visa for Aus Canada NZ bros. But thats about it

>>53901472
If you guys leave the EU, what happens in terms of immigration policies ?

>>53901472
referendum this year, you gon get cucked again :v

>>53901472
Most of the plebs in this shithole of a country want to stay in the EU, they should make it illegal for anyone without a university degree in a hard subject to vote and then things would be a lot better in this country.

>>53896355

Why would you want to live in the UK? The memes are all pretty accurate and it is a pretty shit country tbqhwyf.

t. former Brit

>>53901472
>he thinks they'll vote to leave the EU
kek

>>53896566
Congratulations you win in life. Fucking cheater.

Birthright aside, the easiest way in to the EU is to marry some slag.

Commonwealth citizenship doesn't mean much 2bh

>>53900238
>meanwhile in bizarro /int/

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>tfw great grandparents immigrated from Denmark and England
>tfw born one generation too late to reverse their mistakes

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/12/beautifulpeoplecom-brits_n_355226.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6542263/British-people-among-worlds-ugliest-according-to-BeautifulPeople.com.html


>Brits Are Ugliest In The World


>Fewer than one in eight British men (12 per cent) and just three in 20 women (15 per cent) who have applied to BeautifulPeople.com have been accepted as members

>Beautiful People managing director Greg Hodge said: "Asking why British people are doing so badly is a tough question. It hurts me - I'm English. I think there is less emphasis on appearance in the UK than overseas.

Just remember people....No matter how bad you have it, at least you'll never be British.

I attribute their pig disgusting looks to generations of inbreeding on that tiny island.

>62 million people living on an island that's smaller than oregon

oh shit nigger what are you doing.jpg

Should I claim polish citizenship through grandparents, british citizenship, get an american green card, or stay here?

>>53902100
You cant get British citizenship through grandparents, you can get an ancestry visa if you can prove their were born in the UK

>>53902096
You live in a country that wouldn't have existed without the british. Yeah we are ugly but I think it is only slightly genetic. The main cause is the fact that most people here do not fuck around with cosmetics , you'll never see males wearing make-up like you do in America.

>>53902096
Considering those are your ancestors you must enjoy insulting yourself.

>>53896582
>>53902311
>you'll never see males wearing make-up like you do in America
What the fuck are you on? Men don't wear make-up here.

>>53902100

>polish citizenship

Why the fuck would you want that?

>British citizenship

Only really good for travel. Hard to get and Britain is a shit country.

>American

Difficult and expensive to get, but best. However, I would avoid due to shit double-taxation and banking rules.

Just stay Canadian, tbhwy.

>>53902323

Most Americans aren't Anglo. The majority are German.

>>53902376
Silly myth. Most white Americans are of British Isles extraction, they just are no longer aware of their heritage or just consider themselves American. 8/10 surnames in the USA are of British origin.

>>53902323

>""""""""""MY""""""""""""" ancestors

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>>53900238
AYYYY

>>53902348
Lol I've watched the howard stern show, they talk about make-up so non-chalantly because it's socially acceptable to wear that shit in america.

>>53902376
I'm pretty sure that's bullshit. Most Americans probably claim to be anything but british because it's not as cool as being Irish or German but I bet if you did a DNA test of all white Americans, the largest group would be Anglo.

>>53902412

>Most white Americans are of British Isles extraction

Not at all. There are far, far more people of Germanic origin than anglo.

>>53902444
Germanic origin Americans are the worse tbqh

>>53902422

>I'm pretty sure that's bullshit

Great. You can be as sure of it as you want. The fact is that you are wrong. The majority have German heritage.

>>53902444
Anglo is Germanic, you imbecile.

>>53902412

Immigrants took British surnames as it was the dominant culture of the aristocrat class. All immigration after the revolution was dominated by Germans, Slavs, Italians/Irish, Asians, or Hispanics depending on the time period. British ancestry in the midwest, west, and southwest is rare- it is only common among southerners and New Englanders.

That being said, I am of British descent myself, with a Swede in there because Minnesotafag.

>>53902444
>>53902468
Anglo refers to the English language. Everyone here is stupid. Anglo isn't a race. Anglo-Saxons were at one point but they've been interbred with Norman and Arab seed.

>>53902464
American surnames
SMITH 2,501,922 1.006 1
JOHNSON 2,014,470 0.81 2
WILLIAMS 1,738,413 0.699 3
JONES 1,544,427 0.621 4
BROWN 1,544,427 0.621 5
DAVIS 1,193,760 0.48 6
MILLER 1,054,488 0.424 7
WILSON 843,093 0.339 8
MOORE 775,944 0.312 9
TAYLOR 773,457 0.311 10

You are free to ignore this compelling evidence and continue your state of denial.

>>53896355
Step on their soil once, you're good to god.

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>>53902512

>>53902512
Not him, but most people with German last names changed them during WWII, same with German town names in the midwest.

>>53902412
>>53902470

You're both right.
The problem is that people of British Isle ancestry tend to refer to their ethnic group simply as "American", probably a relic of trying to distance themselves during the revolution.

" Americans reporting British ancestry are 40,234,652, or 13.0% of the total U.S. population. However, this figure is likely a serious undercount, as a large proportion of Americans of British descent have a tendency (since the introduction of a new 'American' category in the 2000 census) to identify as simply Americans[4][5][6][7] Eight out of the ten most common surnames in the United States are of British origin.[8]"

For whites it is probably evenly split between Brits/Germans.

>>53901413
Just immigration things.

>>53902538
>probably a relic of trying to distance themselves during the revolution.

Sorry, I pulled this out of my ass. The "American" group wasn't added to the census until 2000.

>>53902538

Even if you combine all of those who claim "British" ancestry with all of those who claim "American" (a large number of which are not British), they would still be outnumbered by Germans.

>>53902512
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Prager

Most German-Americans have changed their surnames.

Why are new worlders so sexually aroused by cardboard papers with a label on it saying 'passport' along some other letters and drawings?

>>53902538
The number of British Americans dropped from 61 million to 40 million between 1980 and 2000, which proves most people just now identify as American and Census data is therefore underrepresented.

>>53902412
this is true, actually. even if it's the slightest amount, so many people here are of *some* british isles descent. a friend of mine (who is one of the most "mixed" people i've ever met; his ancestry includes pakistani and mongolian) still has a smidge of english ancestry.

my dear nana is of entirely british isles descent. all english and scottish names on her side (with a touch of irish i believe) going back to colonial times. feels good man. she's got all these old recipes that have been passed down in her family for centuries. i truly feel sorry for the plebs that have never known the joys of plum pudding at christmas.

>>53902533
Yeah I've seen that picture a million times, if you any common sense you'll realise that most Americans do not want to identify as British because it's not as cool as being German. As I said before, if you did a dna test of 100,000 white americans I guarantee the majority of them will have British heritage.

>>53902537
Sure they did pal.

>>53898970
>then they make you choose between the two
They can't force you to hand over your other passport. Just tell them you intend to give up the British one.

t. person with 3 passports

>>53902581
An Article about one person proves the rule?

Ok..

>>53902610

Sorry. You are wrong. The number dropped for a few reasons. That was one of them, but lower birth rates as well. Even if you add "British" and "American" ancestry together (even though many in that category are not of British origin), there are more "German".

See: >>53902567

>>53902631
Which 3

>>53898970
Trust me, I know several people that have Japanese dual citizenship. Just tell them you intend to give up the British one, but never actually do it.

>>53902567

That's false. Wikipedia states that in the 1980 census, 61,311,449 Americans identified their ethnicity as "British."

Today, that number has dropped to 40,000,000 with the addition of the American ethnic classification.

Today, roughly 50 million people identify as German Americans, compared to 1980's 61 million British. Even with nearly 100 million more people in America today since 1980, there were still more "British" identified Americans in 1980 than German Americans TODAY.

Source: First paragraph of these articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Americans

Like I said, relatively evenly split, but with "British-Americans" as the majority.

>>53902629

My family did. Our family name was Shafer and it was changed to Sheppard when they emigrated to the US.

>>53902655
Danish, Japanese and New Zealand

>>53902629
>Yeah I've seen that picture a million times, if you any common sense you'll realise that most Americans do not want to identify as British because it's not as cool as being German.

What? Germans are NOT seen as "cooler" than Brits in USA. But you're still right, see
>>53902660

>>53902650
see
>>53902660
you're wrong

>>53902660
And that doesn't include the 30 million or so Irish immigrants also from the British Isles.

>>53902567
The survey is self reported bullshit, if someone has both British and German heritage it's obvious that they'll choose to identify as German because the British are far more hated than the Germans are.

>>53902673
Cool af

Howd you get them?

>>53902506
Normans and anglo-saxons came from the exact same place

>normans are french meme
>vikings who got lost and casually conquered northern france in a week
>french
If normans were french you're an englishman

>>53902706
Danish and Japanese parents, born in nuu ziilund

>>53902673
Ayyy!!! Another Danish dual citizen!!

>>53902702
>The survey is self reported bullshit, if someone has both British and German heritage it's obvious that they'll choose to identify as German because the British are far more hated than the Germans are.

Listen buddy, you're right that Brit-Americans are more populous, but you're absolutely wrong that Germans are better thought-of than the British.

>>53902688
Germans, Irish, Scandinavians , French, are all regarded as cooler than the British for reasons that are difficult to pinpoint.

>>53902738
USA never fought a war with Germany though, only Britain.

>>53902722
Do you know danish or jap? Or just born and raised in nz?

>>53898970
>Choosing the root of all evil instead of 4chan's golden land

>>53902779
Born and raised in nz and neither of my parents taught me their language so I'm making an effort to learn them now

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>>53902761

Irish, French and Scandinavians I would agree. But Germans is absolutely false. We even interned the fuckers as late as 60 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_German_Americans

>>53902771
>USA never fought a war with Germany though
I'm being memed, right?

>>53899761
Bourbons are corrupt as shit m8, look at them in Spain

>>53902761
you fell for the /int/ memery

We worship Brits here whereas touting German heritage will land you a Nazi joke still.

Hardly anyone claims Scandinavian heritage outside of Minnesota and North Dakota.

The French and Irish are meme ethnicities though, I'll cede that.

>>53902837
>USA never fought a war with Germany though
That's true, WW1 and WW2 are not real, its all zionist lies

>>53900955
you slavs will be joining the pakis in the sea when we leave the EU

>>53902833
Good luck brah

Do those citizenships ever come in handy in your life? Like using the EU travel or studying in EU, or just for memes sake

>>53899761

Being a monarchist is politically cucking yourself.

>>53902738
British hatred is far more deep rooted than German hatred is due to both our habit of screwing other countries over in the past and jealousy of our success. The Germans have been almost completely forgiven for the atrocities they committed in the last century but people still frequently exaggerate the war crimes committed by the British empire.

>>53902877

t. Hans Reichmann

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>>53896387
sshhheeeiit
both my dad and my grandma on mums side are from the UK. here i come, i shall migrate and be the best grime mc the world has ever seen

>>53902898
ignore the missplaced "is" tbqh famalam.

>>53902898

>let me tell you about the people in your country

Buddy, I live here, we love you.

Come visit, we don't bite. (only shoot)

>>53902898

>jealousy of our success

Hue hue hue. That was a good chuckle.

>>53902076
Neither of those countries give citizenship by descent.

>>53902889
They're in case I want to use them but for now I just have them for memes sake. It has made it easier to travel to those countries as I don't need a visa.
But if I lose my New Zealand passport while I'm out of New Zealand I wouldn't know how to get back

>>53902898
u wot? Americans don't give a shit about any of that. Are you confusing them with shitty Indian colleges kids crying about the Empire making their shithole less shitty and war-filled?

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>>53902898
>jealousy of our success

>mfw it took america only 100 years to surpass the power of 3 MILLENIA of british history

LITERALLY cannot make this shit up

>>53902951
We were more successful than any other european country, apart from Italy and Greece who had comparable in antiquity.

>>53903026
>have ten times the land
>don't do it in 10 years
shaking my desu to be senpai

>>53903026
America is just an extension of the British Empire that decided to go it's own way. Truthfully your successes are ours.

>>53903081

Then yours are part of ours too since it's our history as well.

>make thread about citizenship, immigration and passports
>derailed to ancestry of general American population

Fuck all of you

>Great grandfathers

British officer with royal blood who fought in the Punjab, took a Punjabi war bride, then lived in Japan and NZ, set up a successful trading company before settling in the US.

German who was world-famous wine maker and well-known hunter. Then moved to US started industrial empire, got into horse racing and women and won and lost many fortunes. Bought up huge tracts of land in Florida and lived playboy life.

Grandfathers:

Both war veterans. One was famous survivalist and spelunker. The other was a wealthy industrialist who also raced yachts.

Father:

Long-haired biker who rode across country and fought hippies, dated cheerleaders, and was also a renowned spelunker. Later became a wealthy industrialist.

Me:

Post memes on Formosan cave drawing board and play vidya.

Well, fuck.

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>>53903081

>bongmen has to claim american achievements as their own because they're so deficient

LOVING
EVERY
LAUGH

>>53903176
Is a parent not proud of the achievements of their offspring?

>>53901472
Because
>m-muh empire
>muh commonwealth

>>53903198

being proud of your children =/= "their success is ours too!!!!"

>>53903176
>American """banter"""

>>53903176
>>53903245

t. Pierre McSven'o'razzimann

If you're not descended from at least 75% british bloodline you're not a real american.

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>>53903277
>Italian """intellectuals"""

yfw 50% of americans dont believe in evolution and we're still THIS MUCH SMARTER THAN SHITALY

>>53902923
you need to be a citizen of a commonwealth country senpai

>>53903176
The USA was created for Englishmen to protect the rights of Englishmen. I bet i'm more closely related to the USA's pioneers than you are, mongrel.

>>53903424
>I bet i'm more closely related to the USA's pioneers than you are, mongrel.
Fucking savage, I'm going to save that one for whenever I have to deal with an uppity American.

>>53903424
>Stay at home dads talking about pioneers of the New World

Wow fuck America but fuck you even more bud.

>>53903424

>THIS CHAV THINKS HE'S MORE AMERICAN THAN MARTIN VAN BUREN, ROCKEFELLER, OR LINDBERGH BECAUSE MUH HERITAGE

holy fuck senpai, you literally can't make this up

>>53902951
Let's not kid ourselves. The British Empire's legacy is clear as day.

>>53903480
Except it's retarded since all our great men since Jefferson have been mixed.

>>53903610

Yes, legacy. Their current state is pretty sad.

>>53903372
For it to be banter you first have to at least make an effort to not make it seem like you're just trying your hardest to offend.
You're bad at this. Just stop.

>>53903424
>>53903480

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/12/beautifulpeoplecom-brits_n_355226.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/6542263/British-people-among-worlds-ugliest-according-to-BeautifulPeople.com.html


>Brits Are Ugliest In The World


>Fewer than one in eight British men (12 per cent) and just three in 20 women (15 per cent) who have applied to BeautifulPeople.com have been accepted as members

>Beautiful People managing director Greg Hodge said: "Asking why British people are doing so badly is a tough question. It hurts me - I'm English. I think there is less emphasis on appearance in the UK than overseas.

Just remember people....No matter how bad you have it, at least you'll never be British.

I attribute their pig disgusting looks to generations of inbreeding on that tiny island.

>62 million people living on an island that's smaller than oregon

oh shit nigger what are you doing.jpg
~~~~~

>>53903551
>deepthroating Jewish dick while they're busy desecrating what's left of his country

Literally can't make this up pham

>>53903424
>The USA was created for Englishmen to protect the rights of Englishmen

Banter aside, this is wildly inaccurate. When Americans tried reconciliation with the British crown and got a big fuck you, Americans no longer considered themselves Englishmen. Furthermore, many of the founding fathers were Dutch or German from Pennsylvania, so the founders wanted to protect the rights of all white men of property- ancestry was no longer a consideration.

>>53903683
Great prank bro, now get back to sucking Shlomo's cock.

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>>53903708

>The Caliphate of Anglastan

>>53903683
Yes seppo, you said that earlier. It's all good though, I know i'm more attractive than you.

>>53903735
You don't know alot about your own history, do you? The Crown resolved every single one of the Colonists' issues but they couldn't declare peace because they'd been cucked by France into continuing the war. The only American militia General to inflict a Decisive Defeat on the Royal Army actually defected back to Britain after that.

>>53903424

You're descended from cowards who preferred the fat comfort of extorting brown people half the world over. Americans are descended from brave adventurers who risked everything for discovery and the chance at wealth.

Even our Shitalian immigrants are more like the founders than you.

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>>53903815
>You're descended from cowards who preferred the fat comfort of extorting brown people half the world over.
Holy FUCK, that's rich coming from an American.

>>53902096
t. Fat neet who shitposts on 4chan

>>53902713
>"FUCKOFFNORMANSWERENOTFRENCHTHEYBUTTFUCKEDFRANCEANDTOOKAWHOLEREGION" mode : on

>>53902875
Meme ?!

>>53903802
>The Crown resolved every single one of the Colonists' issues but they couldn't declare peace because they'd been cucked by France into continuing the war.

Ignoring this abortion of revisionism, that's not related at all to what I said. I stated the founding fathers were a conglomerate of Germans, Dutch, and Englishmen and by the time of the revolution a very unique "American" identity had been born. It progressed from Englishmen->English Subject->American

>>53903282
Why the hell would you suck their dick ?
I bet your ancestors were Irishmen cucked by Englishmen (or Brits)

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>>53903875

It was a compliment. I was saying some British-descended Americans claim to be French because it's they want to appear romantic/exotic or whatever. It's a meme ethnicity on self-reported ancestry reports.

>>53902980
That's easy, just go to the New Zealand Embassy. Had to do that shit when my friend lost his passport in Japan. (he's also an american citizen)

>>53903424
>I bet i'm more closely related to the USA's pioneers than you are, mongrel.

mfw you probably don't even have blue eyes.

>>53903902

I was memeing you. Thanks for the independence, fellow republican. Sure is nice not to be cucked by monarchy IN [THE CURRENT YEAR].

>>53903883
No, that's exactly what you said, look here's your post >>53903735

I'll even quote you for your benefit:
>When Americans tried reconciliation with the British crown and got a big fuck you, Americans no longer considered themselves Englishmen

Now here's what actually happened:
>Benedict Arnold, the American victor of Saratoga, grew increasingly disenchanted with struggle and decided to defect. In September 1780 he attempted to surrender the key American fort at West Point along the Hudson River to the British, but his plot was exposed. He escaped and continued to fight under the British army. He wrote an open letter justifying his actions by claiming he had only fought for a redress of grievances and since Britain had withdrawn those grievances (see above) there was no reason to continue shedding blood, particularly in an alliance with an ancient and tyrannical enemy like France. He led the last British attack in the north, a devastating raid against New London in September 1781
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War

>>53903974
I do, the UK is alot whiter than the USA m8

>>53896355

[EUROPEAN UNION]*

* - in case of brexit apply duct tape on top of passport.

>tfw your name is Bennett Hamilton.

>tfw you'll ALWAYS belong to the greatest race to ever bless the earth, the anglo-american.

>>53903802
>You don't know alot about your own history, do you? The Crown resolved every single one of the Colonists' issues but they couldn't declare peace because they'd been cucked by France into continuing the war. The only American militia General to inflict a Decisive Defeat on the Royal Army actually defected back to Britain after that.

Dad pls. George only ceded to the Congress's initial demands because the tides of fortune were turning on him. Had he won, every single one of the congressmen would have been executed and Britain would have doubled down on the punitive measures they imposed before the war.

You should have let American representatives into parliament and we would have lined up to pay taxes.

Also, using "Decisive Defeat" is a poor term since it was poorly supplied militiamen vs. a trained army.

Vietnam never got a "decisive defeat" on America during the Vietnam war, but we still fucking lost that war, as you so often like to remind us.

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>>53896355
lol smd

no really

if you're a grill I could prob get you in at least

>>53904123

One man. Literally one man. I'm talking about the people who actually matter: the victors. Jefferson, Washington, Adams, etc. never referred to themselves as Englishmen after the revolution- they considered themselves purely Americans at that point.

>>53904155
At least I know I'm among equals, then. Your brown eyed compatriots can't make the same claim.

>>53903424

>mongrel

That's rich coming from an Englishmen, who are the original mongrel white race.

The French are more closely related to Henry the Conquerer and Richard the Lionheart than you, the Irish are more closely related to everyone in pre-Roman Britian then you, the Norwegians are more closely related to Cnut of England than you.

>>53904213
You can't call them poorly supplied if they were being directly supplied by France and Spain. If they were that hard-up they wouldn't have tried (and failed) to invade Canada.

It's stupid to talk about the hypothetical, but it's not exactly an Act of Parliament that could have been repealed as it would just start another war.

>>53904249
>never referred to themselves as Englishmen after the revolution
They can call themselves whatever they like. An Englishman can move to China but it won't make him Chinese.

>>53903411
aussie on holiday

>>53904290
Actually the French wouldn't be as the Normans were Danish, not French. Also my heritage is from every country in Britain, but I don't see what anything you said has to do with anything else.

>>53904345

Because you claimed to be more closely related to America's "pioneers" than the anon you were replying to, which is a retarded point since there are many ethnicities genetically more related to the great men of England's past than the modern Englishman.

>>53904372
But your latter point doesn't in any way change the former, even were it true, so it's moot.

>>53904307
>You can't call them poorly supplied if they were being directly supplied by France and Spain

The supplies provided by France and Spain just brought us up to the bare minimum required to fight at all. The Continental Congress had voluntary taxation so soldiers were delayed pay for huge amounts of time and would have defected if not for loyalty to Washington due to his charisma. And yes, the war of 1812 was a fuck up on our part.

>It's stupid to talk about the hypothetical, but it's not exactly an Act of Parliament that could have been repealed as it would just start another war.

What? George never offered the colonists representation in Parliament, so any act passed would have been immediately repealed once the grip was tightened again. If Britain had any sense of practicality the revolution never would have happened in the first place. It's ludicrous to believe that a monarch and Parliament so out of touch with its colonies would suddenly make a 180 degree change.

>They can call themselves whatever they like. An Englishman can move to China but it won't make him Chinese.

Two points here:

1. I am of purely British Islander descent. Do you consider me to be one of your compatriots?

2. Britain had various ethnicities at different parts of its history due to migration. Why don't you consider your countrymen to be Celts, Romanized Britons, Viking Britons, Anglo-Saxons, etc. You believe them all to be "Englishmen", and yet you are denying that nationalities develop over time. By your logic we're all one nationality dating back to the first humans.

>>53904389

Then its settled. You're more like the first Americans and I'm more like the first Englishmen. :^)

>>53899521
If you want your daughters to marry dindus and mudslimes, choose the british.

>>53904542
No i'm on about the colonist invasion of 1775, not 1812.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Canada_%281775%29

If the colonists were so hard-pressed for supplies would they really have pushed forwards into Canada? Large numbers of soldiers actually defected at this point as it made a mockery of what the war was ostensibly about.

And as far as King George, Parliament already had authority over the Monarchy at this point in history. You may say they were out of touch, but the fact remains they settled every single grievance colonists had. Were they to repeal them, war would just break out again straight away, so they wouldn't have been repealed.

>>53904542
>You believe them all to be "Englishmen"
I don't know what you're talking about or where you think I said anything like this.

>>53900238
>someone posts my pic
Nigguh

>>53896355
>tfw mum is British
>tfw British Citizen by Decent.

aww yiss. But what I really want is a US or Switzerland Passport. The closest I can get is that my gf is German and my maternal Grandfather is a Yank,, but I don't think that's good enough.

>>53900238
>>53904732
>time to start a new life
>think i'll go to mexico
literally why

>>53904801
mom missed her country so she wanted to go back

>>53904687
>If the colonists were so hard-pressed for supplies would they really have pushed forwards into Canada?

It was a poor military decision, as its abysmal failure clearly shows. Its pretty much universally agreed that the revolutionaries were sub par in both training and supply to the British, so I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here, even if you are right.

>>53904687
>Large numbers of soldiers actually defected at this point as it made a mockery of what the war was ostensibly about.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that the common soldier actually fights out of ideology. Your average revolutionary soldier vs. your average defector both chose so because the grass seemed greener at that time and/or they weren't willing to risk being killed for desertion. Ideological fighters exist, of course, but they are few and far between and many relegated to the higher ranks of the military.

>You may say they were out of touch, but the fact remains they settled every single grievance colonists had. Were they to repeal them, war would just break out again straight away, so they wouldn't have been repealed.

If that's true, then why didn't the revolutionaries take them up on their offer? You really believe they wouldn't have been lined up and shot as insurrectionists?

>I don't know what you're talking about or where you think I said anything like this.

You were trying to claim that the revolutionaries were Englishmen. I said they defined themselves as Americans, to which you replied that calling yourself something doesn't make it so. That's true on the genetic level, but nationality is an entirely arbitrary definition- when the majority of colonists saw themselves as Americans, that's what they were- no longer Englishmen. Using purely ethnic designations of nationality, you should divide your own population up as Celts, Latins, Nords, etc.

>>53904835
she's not from monterrey by any chance??

>>53904687

Also I'd like a source on the claim that the British settled all the colonial grievances.

>>53904914
nope not monterrey

>>53904890
>If that's true, then why didn't the revolutionaries take them up on their offer? You really believe they wouldn't have been lined up and shot as insurrectionists?
They didn't take them up on their offer because they couldn't as terms of their Alliance with France, who demanded they only stop fighting after full Independance. Additionally, Britain agreed that they would only station their troops in the colonies with the colonists' consent.

>In return the King is guaranteed " any of the Islands situated in the (Gulf) of Mexico, or near that (Gulf)" which France is able to gain possession of. Additional clauses insure that neither France nor the United States will seek to make any additional claims of compensation for their services during the conflict, and that neither side will cease fighting, nor sign a peace treaty with Britain, without the consent of the other nation and insurances that the independence of the United States will be recognized by Britain.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Alliance_%281778%29

>You were trying to claim that the revolutionaries were Englishmen.
They said that themselves, not me. You can't just wake up one day and start calling yourself something else.

>>53904927
It's on the page I already linked

>Following news of the surrender at Saratoga and concern over French intervention, the British decided to completely accept the original demands made by the American Patriots. Parliament repealed the remaining tax on tea and declared that no taxes would ever be imposed on colonies without their consent (except for custom duties, the revenues of which would be returned to the colonies). A Commission was formed to negotiate directly with the Continental Congress for the first time. The Commission was empowered to suspend all the other objectionable acts by Parliament passed since 1763, issue general pardons, and declare a cessation of hostilities. The Commissioners arrived in America in June 1778 and offered to place the colonies in the condition of 1763 if they would return to the allegiance of the King. Moreover, they agreed that no troops would be placed in the colonies without their consent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War

>>53905102
>They didn't take them up on their offer because they couldn't as terms of their Alliance with France, who demanded they only stop fighting after full Independance.
You think revolutionaries who were more than happy to betray Britain would bind themselves to a French treaty out of good faith? You are aware that we broke our alliance with France when they asked for our aid with their Austrian wars after the revolution, right?

>Additionally, Britain agreed that they would only station their troops in the colonies with the colonists' consent.
Please source this as well as the claim they settled all the colonial grievances, because this is entirely contrary to what I've learned.
>You can't just wake up one day and start calling yourself something else.

Yes, you can, because nationality is entirely arbitrary. You're avoiding the point I've made about your own countrymen's lineage- there is no such thing as "English" on a genetic level- they are a mix of Latins, Celts, Nords, and Anglo-Saxons. They quite literally just started calling themselves "English" because shared language, religion, national values, etc. are more important than genetics in determining nationality. Please address this.

>>53905155

Thank you, I didn't know that. I knew about the tax cessations but not that they required colonial consent to reinforce or military withdrawal.

But that was basically Britain begging for mercy, no? Why would America agree to become British subjects when they were so close to Independence? Since you were already losing the war, there was no reason not to go the full mile and ensure that oppression could never take place again by seizing independence.

>>53905252

Ignore my source request, you addressed that. I'm still curious on your claims about nationality though.

>>53905252
You just said there is no such thing a English on a genetic level - then proceeded to detail what being English is on the genetic level. You can't just wake up tomorrow and start calling yourself Canadian, can you?

The Franco-American Alliance only lasted through the Revolutionary War. I've sourced everything for you, it's not like the info is difficult to find or anything, though it doesn't surprise me they'd teach you some Nationalist sugar-coated nonsense in school.

>>53905327
Great Britain wasn't losing the war at that point, not before France sent over troops and started blockading the Eastern coast, but it was the reality that Britain had just become the underdogs in the war as all the Great Powers started to gang up against them, which forced them to act (in futility)

It wasn't the events in the American colonies that forced Britain to sue for peace in the end, it was France, Spain and the the Netherlands taking advantage of the situation and going around poaching all of Britain's far more valuable colonies in other parts of the world

>>53905437
>You just said there is no such thing a English on a genetic level - then proceeded to detail what being English is on the genetic level.

But that is an example of disparate genetic groups forming a unified national identity, as is what happened in the United States- even in its earliest days, it was a combination of Englishmen, Dutch, Germans, Swedes, Scots, in the same way the English national identity is a combination of Latins, Celts, Nords and Anglo-Saxons. Calling oneself an American is no more or less arbitrary than calling oneself an Englishman.

> You can't just wake up tomorrow and start calling yourself Canadian, can you?

No, but if I had children there, they could, since there is no genetic requirement for being a Canadian.

> though it doesn't surprise me they'd teach you some Nationalist sugar-coated nonsense in school.

Thank you for the source, but your famous condescension isn't necessary. I spent my high school years in Australia.

>
It wasn't the events in the American colonies that forced Britain to sue for peace in the end, it was France, Spain and the the Netherlands taking advantage of the situation and going around poaching all of Britain's far more valuable colonies in other parts of the world

I don't deny this. Britain would have won had it centralized entirely on the revolution. But the colonies acted in purely rational self interest by demanding independence even though Britain promised to settle the colonies grievances. Independence ensured that Britain could never go back on its weird at a later date when they were not boggled down by their European rivals.

>>53905733
>You can't just wake up tomorrow and start calling yourself Canadian, can you?

Also, if Quebec ceded tomorrow, the citizens wouldn't be Canadians anymore, they would be Quebecois- independence nullifies nationality.

>>53905733
Those disparate identities spent a millennia merging into a unique Anglo genetic identity. 'English' was never the nationality of American colonists, it was their genetic heritage and remains so (and colonists were overwhelmingly British at that point).

>Calling oneself an American is no more or less arbitrary than calling oneself an Englishman.
I'm sure you'll agree a Native American calls themselves American for very different reasons than European Americans do. The very fact I have to use the word European should make that obvious enough.

>But the colonies acted in purely rational self interest by demanding independence even though Britain promised to settle the colonies grievances. Independence ensured that Britain could never go back on its weird at a later date when they were not boggled down by their European rivals.
But it divided and conquered two nations into two weaker ones. And it wasn't a rational choice, they were OBLIGATED to fight until the bitter end, regardless of circumstances.

>Also, if Quebec ceded tomorrow, the citizens wouldn't be Canadians anymore, they would be Quebecois- independence nullifies nationality.
They would no longer be Canadian but they'd still be French, just as they already are today. Why do they want to seceede? Because they consider themselves genetically different from other Canadians.

>>53905733
>but your famous condescension isn't necessary. I spent my high school years in Australia.
Don't you feel ashamed that a foreigner is having to educate you on your own nation's history?

>>53906013
>But it divided and conquered two nations into two weaker ones.

The power of the state relative to other countries is not what makes a nation good.

>They would no longer be Canadian but they'd still be French, just as they already are today.

So you tie nationality directly with genetics.

So, two questions:
1. Since you define nationality as shared ancestry, as I am descended purely from the British Islands, do you consider me to be one of your compatriots?

2. What is the nationality of the child of an Italian and an Englishman, or are they doomed to statelessness?

>>53896566

It's out of date though. The UK has issued biometric ones since 2006. Need to get that renewed before you can use it chap.

>>53906041
No. We all begin ignorant. It is ridiculous to assume that a person would know all the details of their nation's history. The nationality of the educator makes no difference.

There are Germans better versed in British history than yourself, and you knew a fact about the revolutionary war that I did not. There's no shame in ignorance as long as it is not willful and you change your views accordingly when evidence is presented.

>>53906106
>The power of the state relative to other countries is not what makes a nation good.
Killing your cousins is never beneficial for anyone.

>So you tie nationality directly with genetics.
All whites outside of Europe are from one European country or another. Until a Nation can form its own distinct genetic identity, sure, why not.

>>53906106
>Since you define nationality as shared ancestry, as I am descended purely from the British Islands, do you consider me to be one of your compatriots?
You can say you're British but I don't identify with that seppo hypocrisy or narrow-minded view of the world. Same with Irish Republicanism when they're practically the same as Britons. I can identify much easier with an Aussie, Kiwi or Canadian.

>What is the nationality of the child of an Italian and an Englishman
I don't know, where were they born?

>>53906185
This is basic information about the founding of your Nation. If there's anything you should know about your country, it's this.

>There are Germans better versed in British history than yourself
Yeah, they're called Anglo-Saxons.

>>53906364
>Killing your cousins is never beneficial for anyone.
Er, it is, when killing your cousins means you can self-govern.

>All whites outside of Europe are from one European country or another. Until a Nation can form its own distinct genetic identity, sure, why not.

What is the definition for "distinct genetic identity"? What ethnicity is a white American with an ancestor from literally every country in Europe? Is that not distinct enough to just call himself "American"?


>I don't know, where were they born?

Let's say they're American. An American with English, Italian, Norwegian,

>>53906364
>You can say you're British but I don't identify with that seppo hypocrisy or narrow-minded view of the world.

Yes, and the founding fathers didn't identify with British values either. But you were the one making the claim that nationality is tied to genetics, not culture, so by extension the fact that you dislike Americans has no bearing on my Britishness, and I am just as British as you.

>I don't know, where were they born?

Let's say France.

>This is basic information about the founding of your Nation. If there's anything you should know about your country, it's this.

Regardless, I know that fact from now on, so I won't spread ignorance on that subject ever again. I should have known, and now I do know. Boom.

>Yeah, they're called Anglo-Saxons.

You know that's not what I meant. There are Koreans better versed in English history than a given Englishman because it is their field of study. There is no shame in learning something at any age, even if you should have learned it sooner.

>>53906700

Ignore
>Let's say they're American. An American with English, Italian, Norwegian,

Incomplete thought.

>>53906700
>Er, it is, when killing your cousins means you can self-govern.
They already did effectively self-govern themselves, that's how they found it so easy to revolt.

>>53906700
>What ethnicity is a white American with an ancestor from literally every country in Europe? Is that not distinct enough to just call himself "American"?
Why wouldn't he call himself 'European'? American would be his Nationality though.

>Yes, and the founding fathers didn't identify with British values either.
They did identify with British values though, that's why they 'declared their rights as Englishmen'.

>There are Koreans better versed in English history than a given Englishman because it is their field of study.
Which Koreans? Sounds like you're throwing out a red herring to justify your own historical ignorance. I'm no 'Professor of American History', all i've done is read a few wikipedia pages m8.

>>53906888

Well I've got to sleep, thanks for discussing.

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>tfw noone in your family is remotely british

>>53896355
>I want it so bad
why

>Americans come in
>Thread ruined

Just like irl

>>53896566
Doesn't swearing allegiance to Her Majesty technically make your american citizenship illegal

>>53902963

Yeah they do, I have a British passport and I was born in NZ, my children will have one too.

>>53896355
Best passport in the world m8, you can go anywhere