Daily reminder this is the only correct power ranking (well

>inb4 memes

memes

>>53864143
>stronger than street shitters and leafs
Perfect

british meme

>>53864143
>UK in charge of not making up special snowflake categories for themselves that don't exist.

>m-m-muh soft p-power

KEK

>>53864143
tbf Canada is the second strongest country in their region. It just happens to also be the case that their region only includes three countries

>france stronger than germoney

BBC is stronger than t*rk weenie

SKYKING DO NOT RESPOND

>>53866263
Nigger Poland could rekt Germany at this point, let alone France.

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>>53866110
I just read the article explaining methodology. They actually de-emphasise soft power compared to the other types of power. Quote,

>Soft power is a truly national asset, but not one that can be readily utilised by the government of each country, although it can be strengthened with national festivals and sporting spectacles or grandiose building projects. Consequentially, this is the least-weighted category of power within our audit.

So soft power ain't the reason we're ranked high

AUSTRALIA WILL BE A SUPER POWER BY 2030!

>>53866387
Didn't put the full quote

>One category we have deliberately de-emphasised is cultural pull – commonly known as ‘soft power’ – as we feel this kind of power, although important, is very difficult to wield by the countries concerned. In a way, it is a negative form of power: it is hard for governments to build up and use but very easy for them to damage. Soft power is a truly national asset, but not one that can be readily utilised by the government of each country, although it can be strengthened with national festivals and sporting spectacles or grandiose building projects. Consequentially, this is the least-weighted category of power within our audit.

FINLAND IS THE STRONGEST NATION

ANCIENT FINNS ARE THE ALL-FATHER OF CIVILIZATION

I'd swap France and China.

India's version of this puts the UK below Japan, lel

https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=http://fnsr.org/images/NationalPindex2012.pdf

>>53864143
>"power" out of 100

How the hell did they measure out "power" ?

>>53866608
I posted the link where they explain it

In this index, the UK has an almost identical score to Canada:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Power_Index

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>>53866469
>muh finnish empire

>>53866263
Yes we're

>>53866505
I'd swap America and France, pêh

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>>53866999

Denying the UK is a great power is a bit silly

>>53864143
>Germany and Japan
>large populations and 2 of the largest economies in the world
>still only slightly above Australia

Genuine question, why are Anglos so alpha?

>>53866999
One of the authors is a Frog. I linked you guys the article, you can open it if you want

>>53866137
Mexico is more relevant than Canada

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>Hand over Falklands and Gibraltar, says journalist Richard Norton-Taylor

>After Jeremy Corbyn called for a "reasonable accommodation" with Argentina over the Falklands, Guardian journalist Richard Norton-Taylor says it is time for the UK to hand over control of the islands.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-35337170

Why do the lefties hate us, lads?

>>53867072
No, I agree, it is a global power
But so is France or maybe Russia

>>53866439
>unknown wtf abstract power
i couldnt figure it out. this shit ranking is untrustworthy.

>>53864143
>>53866263
>>53866382
>>53866999
>>53867151
>Of course, our Audit of Major Powers is not infallible: we have only used open source information, which may not be entirely accurate, particularly due to the fact that many nations guard such information tenaciously. Another problem is that the audit represents a mixture of data for different years; because statistics for the last year are not available for some countries for some components in each category, we have been forced to use statistics from previous years (i.e., the most up-to-date we could find for each country).
They are even saying their index is shit.

>>53867618
>>53867400
Krauts and Nips now in full damage control mode

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>>53864143
Actual ranking.

>>53867266
The UK is much more powerful than France.

>>53867905
Did you know Estonians can now vote ONLINE?

>>53868070
>much

>>53868158
Did YOU know Estonians are able to wirelessly surf the Internet at gigabit speeds using Li-Fi, a technology similar to Wi-Fi which uses light (!) to transfer data?

>>53868298
B R A V O
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>>53864143

>>53868298
>Li-Fi
That's pretty impressive desu.

>>53868560
Keeping rates steady was absolutely the right thing to do. I was at the talk where the Carney announced the decision and spent an hour explaining it. BTW

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-3402779/Cheer-exports-drive-Britain-s-recovery-Strong-dollar-buoyant-retail-sales-fuel-economy-says-forecaster.html

>Britain's economy will grow faster than expected in 2016, increasing by 2.6 per cent, boosted by a sharp rise in exports to the US and buoyant retail sales, according to a new report.

>The study is due out tomorrow from the EY Item Club, the only non-governmental forecaster to use the Treasury's economic models.

>Coming from such a respected forecaster it will move to dispel some of the gloom hanging over the City as stock markets plunge around the world.

>>53868560
Not with their third world rapidly depreciating currency.

>>53868671
>where the Carney
Lel

where Carney*

>>53868671
>b-but muh muh nominal terms!

You're about to get BTFO in the next IMF ranking

>>53864143
United States is the most powerful by a large margin and China is the second most powerful by a large margin. Dwarfs like Russia, the UK, France don't come close. The real game of global domination in this century is between the US and China I don't know who is making rankings like this.
>UK
I'm laughing.

>>53868794

If you dont know what you're talking about just say so

>>53868713
I was expecting that. Personally, I thought our economy would take a hit from the EU referendum uncertainty, making our currency weaker and slowing down growth. I was expecting 2016 to be a bad year and the situation to improve in the last quarter.

The April 2016 IMF WEO should be ugly for us, but the long-term pay-off will be nice. If we vote to stay in the EU - which we will - after Cameron wins protections for the City and liberalising digital services reforms to the EU single market, we will be laughing. Laughing!

The currency being weaker for a while might help exports, but I'm guessing that Sterling will get stronger after the referendum and if the Eurozone becomes more unstable

>>53868858
Did you not see his flag?

>12 hrs navel reaction time

erry time.

>>53868858
You are not knowing what you are talking about. Both the US and China dwarf everyone and everyone is just a pawn from their perspective. Even once powerful Russia is just a "junior partner" for China.

>>53867254
Perhaps its rational thing to do? Russia benefited from leaving central asia.

>>53868895
I was as well. Just trying to be hard on you for your hate of PPP.
>Britain lost 5% of its economic power in one day!

Everyone is undercutting each other now with weaker currencies and exporting deflation.
US growth is expected to come in at .4% for Q4 2015 and our stock market has sunk 8% in a month. Thanks guys!

>>53869022
>Even once powerful Russia is just a "junior partner" for China.

You're the gift that keeps on giving.

>>53869022

You've fallen for Chinese propaganda

>>53869088
Chinese not once have said what this guy is saying.

Here's the PLA general.
http://defensetech.org/2011/06/08/chinas-military-tech-20-years-behind-u-s/

They purposefully talk down their power.

>>53869072
>>53869088
China is literally colonizing Africa right now and they have a higher population than US+EU

>>53869088
What Chinese propaganda?

>>53869142
You mean figuratively.

And Africa is not hard, mate.

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>>53869142
>higher population = better

>>53869192
The one where they have a competent military.

>>53869268
so what according to you gives a country advantage?

memes?

>>53869268
if china wants to bully new zealand then new zealand will get its head flushed after 3 seconds

same for big dry new zealand

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>>53869027
No, it would be irrational. I can see why you're going for that analogy but it's not the same. Central Asia is and has always been very expensive for an occupying power to garrison. Quite frankly it's a headache.

In contrast, places like Falklands and Gibraltar are cheap for the UK to keep hold of, and they're vital to maintaining a global blue water navy. If we start abandoning these places we become little more than "Belgium with nukes".

Gibraltar is the most obviously useful naval base as its a launching point to the Atlantic and into the Med. Sea. Falklands are used all the time by our scientists and hydrographers that use the British Antarctic Territory and the seas around there.

For a more accurate analyogy, it would be like Russia giving Kaliningrad to Poland

>>53869326
not saying their military is even close to the US level but why do you say their military is not "competent"? why would it be? because they aren't white?

>>53869391
Name one time in history China had a competent military.

'The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.' - Ecclesiastes 1:9

>>53869268
Too an extent it is.

Netherlands is more powerful than Belgium just as America is more powerful than Canada.

I actually think one of the hard power parts of this ranking is population.

>>53869350
The Chinese military isn't as strong as people seem to think, they have one aircraft carrier which is a piece of outdated junk from the 80's. They're not used to projecting force, and their modern military has very little experience in contemporary warfare.

Another thing; the US would never let two of their most valuable strategic interests in the Asia Pacific Region to be lost to the Chinese.

But yeah, memes and stuff.

>>53869433
>Name one time in history China had a competent military.
why does it have anything to this discussion? we are not talking about chinese military history we are talking about china right now
>'The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.' - Ecclesiastes 1:9
oh im laughing

and these are kind of people who imply I do know nothing

>>53869472
>Too an extent it is.
>Too

Indonesia for instance is an irrelevant shithole, it has one of the largest populations in the world. Our military could hold it's own against their's, we're literally a 10th of the size.

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>>53869064
In a sense we have lost some economic power through currency depreciation, I have no qualms admitting that. But I am fairly confident it's a temporary loss.

Don't worry about the deflation too much. A lot of it is from the oil prices. Yesterday Carney was saying how it's the core inflation rate he's paying more attention to, in the UK this is looking more healthy

>>53869362
Didn't try giving it to Germany?

Briitain owning the Falklands guarantees some populist power in Argentina. Poor Argies.

>>53869433
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qing_dynasty

>>53869501
I think you are Chinese, if you are a Pole you would be familiar with the Bible.

>>53869638
>Qing_dynasty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War

'The war demonstrated the failure of the Qing Empire's attempts to modernize its military and fend off threats to its sovereignty, especially when compared with Japan's successful Meiji Restoration.[1] For the first time, regional dominance in East Asia shifted from China to Japan; the prestige of the Qing Empire, along with the classical tradition in China, suffered a major blow. The humiliating loss of Korea as a vassal state sparked an unprecedented public outcry.'

>>53869592
>Didn't try giving it to Germany?
Heard rumours about this but I won't believe it until I see firm evidence. I can't see them ever giving it away of their own volition, it's too important

>Briitain owning the Falklands guarantees some populist power in Argentina. Poor Argies.
To be fair they voted in Macri who wants to improve UK-Argie relations

>>53869527
As much as they talk about core inflation to try justifying their policy failures, they still care more about headline inflation. Why? Because that's what Americans wages, and debts reacts to.

Headline is .4% in America, and that's before currency depreciation and oil's crash. We will most likely enter deflation in the next couple months.

>>53869142

Big population only does so much, see India. Their economy is slowing despite all their underhanded trade practices, protectionsim, inhumane treatment of workers, one-party system, I could go on. Their military is a joke comparatively and they lack in global force projection.

North Korea is first. Fuck the west. Fuck corrupt mischievous media. Hail Il-Sung. Jong-un strong.

>>53869680
>I think you are Chinese, if you are a Pole you would be familiar with the Bible.
We are not talking about Bible we are talking about geopolitics. Put your 2000 year old shitty book in your ass.

>>53869680
The dynasty started much earlier than the 19th century.
It didn't become the largest dynasty ever by being a shit military.

>>53869725
The Russians definitely did. If they were actually going to accept the deal, I doubt.

But barely, and he'll be out again in 4 years. Britain indirectly has been fucking up Argentina for ages.

>>53869899
>But barely, and he'll be out again in 4 years. Britain indirectly has been fucking up Argentina for ages.

Your country did a lot worse, giving them the military Junta which invaded the Falklands in the first place. All Britain is doing is blocking them from getting decent military gear, and that's perfectly justified while they claim British territory as their own.

>>53869751
>Their economy is slowing
It's physicially impossible to grow at rate of 10% all the time. The more the economy is developed, the growth will be relatively slower. That's why the US grows "only" for 2-3% when India is growing for 7%.

>>53869899
Only ones fucking Argentina are the Argies themselves.

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>>53864143

this bait has the ability to cause almost unlimited levels of anal devastation on /int/

>>53869751
China's population definitely comstrained it 1950-2010. Recently as they have developed it's become a net positive.

Nonetheless more population is unequivocally a good thing if you aren't third world. The ranking assumes so.

>>53869964
Agreed. But it still has led to guaranteed support for populist parties. Argentina is just fucked.
I hope Britain keeps control because I support self-determination, and Falklanders want Britain.

>>53870015
It causes so much butthurt because it's more or less the truth

>>53870139
>brits believe in that

>>53869971
He meant India. But it's weird because supposedly India has been accelerating.

Don't trust Indian stats. They are worse than Chinese.

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>>53869899
>It didn't become the largest dynasty ever by being a shit military.
It got all it's land during the Mongol Conquests when it was under the Mongols.

When the Mongols died the Chinese were left with the land, Chinese military has always been shit.

>>53870139
Jesus Christ.

>canada is almost as powerful as the cunt that runs Europe

>>53870198
You are fucking retarded so we are done here.

>>53870223

to be fair Germany has been laying low since world war 2, if they switch to full war mode they will fuck everyone

>>53870223
That was the 'more or less' part, Canada is a little high

>>53870267
>Muh powerful Chinese military!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Opium_War

>>53869971

Yes but China will be in troubled waters if it can't maintain an average of 8% growth for the next decade they'll be in definite trouble, especially with regards to their industrial growth. China is a growing country, maybe in the future it'll be able to rival the USA but they simply have too many problems and are currently too far behind the times. Look how poor their market does every time they try and ease back on their protectionist policies, you had the Chinese stock market crash halfway through last year, the Chinese shares that have been dropping by huge amounts recently (which has been fucking over us and Aus especially)

Obviously no one can rival them in their sphere of influence, but their sphere of influence is far too small to compare them to the UK or France, either of those countries could beat the Chinese in land that is outside the Chinese borders and their immediate neighbours

>>53870172

No I meant China, they dropped to 6.9% this year after being at 7.4% the year previous, and they're predicted to drop again to 6% next year.

>>53870459
When did I say this?

You actually think the Qing dynasty overthrew the Mongols.

The Qing military was competent and powerful 1600-1800. You know, when they conquered a bunch of places to become the largest dynasty ever.

Or did the Mongols do that for them?

>>53870543
Then why mention India?

Also, your whole post is full of WTF

>>53870543
>but their sphere of influence is far too small to compare them to the UK or France
what the fuck is "the UK's or France's sphere of influence" ?

>>53870613
>The Qing military was competent and powerful 1600-1800
Proofs.

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>>53866355
>The eternal Frenchman

>>53870697
Most of the world

>>53870697
This guy is an idiot.

Having influence over some dictators in Africa isn't making up for China's influence over the region with the most people and GDP in the world.

>>53870656

It was a separate point regarding more pop = more power

>>53870697

They have the ability to deploy all over the world, strong diplomatic power in the EU, strong ties to the USA, nuclear weaponry, a modern navy and a competent military

>>53870543
>Yes but China will be in troubled waters if it can't maintain an average of 8% growth for the next decade they'll be in definite trouble
>No I meant China, they dropped to 6.9% this year after being at 7.4% the year previous, and they're predicted to drop again to 6% next year.
Lol. 8% is a ridiculously high growth, it's absolutely unsustainable.
>Yes but China will be in troubled waters if it can't maintain an average of 8% growth
because you say so?

>>53870802

Because the Chinese government says so

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>>53870722
Looks a little bigger than China today does it not?

>mongolia, Manchuria, Turkmenistan, areas near India, areas near Pakistan.

They conquered this. The Ming Dynasty never held these areas.

If they were incompetent militarily then how did they take and hold these lands for 220 years?

>Uk that high


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>53870782

That's the point, they have strong regional power but anything outside of bullying SEA and India is impossible

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>>53870697
The UK maintains global influence while being less heavy-handed than the likes of Russia. The countries you compare don't think of "spheres of influence" in the same way.

>>53870791
>They have the ability to deploy all over the world
No they don't.
>>53870791
>strong diplomatic power in the EU
Actually in the EU Germany is stronger than both.
>strong ties to the USA
Hmm... Just like China.
>nuclear weaponry
Hmm... Just like China.
>a modern navy and a competent military
Chinese military is the third strongest in the world.

>>53870823
Just off yourself.

Your posts are cringeworthy.

>>53870863
Except, you know, commodities crashing prices, the world economy slowing dramatically, and stock markets entering bear markets.

Say thank you to China exporting their problems for that.

>>53870853
>If they were incompetent militarily then how did they take and hold these lands for 220 years?
Look at the countries around senpai.

And this amazing Qing dynasty was defeated by a small island nation in 1894 in less than a year.

>>53870823
Chinese government is shifting economy towards services and consumption they are aware of that they can't sustain growth like this.

"New normal" for China is 7%, not 8%.
>>53870878
What is this "global influence" exactly? Having some small islands which weren't able to get independence?

>>53870945
Why the fuck you talk about history? Yes China was historically a fucking mess, because of how big it is it was really hard to keep that population and area in check before the modern era.

Also cultural thing - the mandate of heaven.

New communist regime kind of took care of these issues.

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>>53869899

>Britain indirectly has been fucking up Argentina for ages.

They tried to capture Buenos Aires twice and they failed. Then they captured the Falklands. Then they forced Argentina and Brazil to grant independence to Uruguay so they could project their power on the River Plate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDgO6NIXe0A

>>53867658
Germany doesn't even belong on this index. Our forces are just for parades....

Nonethless the index is bullshit

>>53871023
Nice sob story

>>53871000
Hello Chang, I see you have permission from the CPC to use proxy.
That is very nice.

History is everything.
Communist scum like you wouldn't understand.

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>>53870952
>What is this "global influence" exactly? Having some small islands which weren't able to get independence?
Having military bases in other countries + the overseas territories means that the British military can easily influence worldwide events. I have trouble understanding you think the US having military bases in foreign countries is a sign of strength, but for the UK it's a weakness. That's very odd. Explain your reasoning?

London means the UK has global influence in economic and cultural/arts affairs.

Membership of pretty much every important union/group from the EU to NATO to the G7 and UNSC Permanent 5 also involve the UK in global affairs.

Shouldn't this all be obvious?

>>53869268
China could just go to a random African country and setup a Chinese majority population and Chinese government.

Totally no power...

>>53871159
No they couldn't you literal 12 year old

>>53870293
no, because we would start by zero here...
Also we have the best deal of all weak powers.
France gets the Power and Germany gets the economy.
If you would have to choose you would choose economy ,too .right?

>>53871221
Well they are allready working on it. You will see many "Southafrika the Chinese Version" nations soon. And then they start making the places all Han.
Just like they do in the Western provinces of China.

>>53871378
Notice that all people denying Chinese power are either Anglos or from countries strongly related to Anglos - people who think Anglos "won history", there will be no threat to their domination anymore and people who think of everything outside of their circlejerk as incompetent and incapable subhumans.

Inhabitant won't deny growing relevance of China because political debate in his country is dominated by "who will get Chinese money". Inhabitant of Central Asia won't deny Chinese influence because the Chinese are building highways and investing. People from SEA won't deny that China is a growing threat because they see the Chinese building artificial islands in South China Sea.

A lot of Poles won't really deny China aswell because the Chinese actually treat us as kind of respectable partner and are actively trying to pull off some deal with us. Not like Anglos who were always just treating us like a tool to use/white niggers.

>>53871967
reread your post and realise how much of a pathetic whiney little bitch you sound like

>>53872315
t. anglo

>>53868298
Why is Estonia such a wonder of a coutry ?
Bravo Estonia

>>53871967
I think it's unwise to paint all "Anglos" with the same brush regarding China. For example, the Americans and British have very different attitudes to China's increasing power

>>53872377
Because miracles happen in Eesti

>>53872405
yeah? see the British in this thread arguing that the UK is more powerful than China

they can have different attitudes but both are extremealy deregatory towards China

>>53868185
yea we're pretty similar in terms of power 2bh

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>>53872509

>this one buttmad pole who hates britain gets rused by babby tier bait every single day on /int/ and can't contain his autistic ranting

>>53868794
China >domination

redditcucks actually believe this

China is barely a second-rate power right now

>>53872509
Lol calm down Grzegorz

>>53872509
How many aircraft carriers does China have?
How many does Great Britain have?

Checkmate, atheists.

>>53872639
>How many aircraft carriers does China have?
1 in operation
>How many does Great Britain have?
0 in operation

>>53872583
>>53872509

That doesn't matter the European/British thought is often of the socialisation of China, Americans are more concerned with China being a military threat in the region.

Despite being British i think the U.S thought is probably going to be closer towards the truth.

I personally subscribe to the mainstream, idea that a multi-polar order and along with this though, institutions that will be running contrary to the U.S that will challenge their hegemony rather than the opposing view that the Chinese / Russia / Iran etc will eventually be adopted into the current order.

Regardless of this China has no power projection and has no real possibility of doing so military, they actually have poor chances of even dominating their own region, let alone anything outside of it. The U.S/Allies have the advantage that they already dominate globally, China literally cannot. The only thing China has going for it is the large economy, but people are too young to remember Japan? Lets see how China is in 10 years, its too early into the growth phase to call anything, and they won't try anything right now, if they did it would be self-destructive as they simply aren't powerful.

>>53864143
lol how are we ranked that high when not only we don't care about our military but we actively despise it?

>>53872639
>>53872700


>australia getting owned

lel.

>>53872849
>The only thing China has going for it is the large economy, but people are too young to remember Japan?
are you retarded or something? why people keep repeating this bullshit? Japan=/=China

Japan was severely restricted in the first place, relatively small population, small area, no resources it's a completely different country than China

>they actually have poor chances of even dominating their own region
economically they already dominate it and they start to dominate it politically

>>53873206
Because it's not just a military ranking

>>53864143
>UK
>global power

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>53874451
then what does global or regional power mean in a non-military sense?

>>53864143
>France
>Above China, Russia, Germany and India
I don't think so.

>>53875246
It's explained in the article, I'm not spoon-feeding you. They define all of the different power tiers.

>>53872639
We don't have any

>>53867658
No, we were first last year, before that it was the usa

>>53881184
Source?