I don't really support it, but I do think that it could be helpful to use during the transition phase to renewable energies. Quitting it altogether as quickly as Germany is doing now was a stupid decision in my opinion.
>>53845732 We're talking about nuclear power, not fusion power.
>>53845776 The issue is you practically can't store it properly, the least bad thing you could do is send the waste out of earth. But then again it's legally impossible and if the spacecraft explodes in our atmosphere we're doomed.
>>53845776 >You get more background radiation living near a coal plant than you do living near a nuclear plant remind me again how you guys sent aircrafts to space... ah yeah, some jews made the math for you >>53845814 >you stupid fuck shilling hard are we
Under the right circumstances, yes. Nuclear is by far the best combination of economical + clean + safe for now. >hurr muh accidents The rate at which nuclear energy has killed people is far lower than the health issues associated with pollution from fossil fuels. Other renewables are a joke in terms of efficiency compared to nuclear, and in the case of solar, mining the minerals needed for solar panels almost nullifies the clean aspect of it.
>>53845832 also just to clarify - i know that nuclear fusion technically is nuclear, but that's not what the popular term nuclear power generally stand for. If someone here is saying that he supports nuclear power because it technically also incorporates fusion power he's just a retarded troll.
>>53846008 Being "cheap" sadly is something you can't change that much, especially in our curent world economy. If money wasn't a problem and we would concentrate our society on scientific research we'd probably get at least the basics of fusion power right now, making nuclear power in one way or another irrelevant.
>>53846070 using jew pejoratively isn't an argument tbf m8
>tfw country has largest uranium reserves in the world but everyone is so retarded we just stick with coal.
Honestly if it wasnt for the fucking anti-nuclear idiots we wouldnt have so many problems with nuclear power. They block the construction of new generation 3 or 4 reactors and we get stuck with the old inefficient ones built back in the 1950s-60s. then they are fucking like
>HUE HUE MUH NUCLEAR ENERGY IS UNSAFE AND INEFFICIENT
>>53845832 >We're talking about nuclear power, not fusion power. Holy shit you're retarded. >The issue is you practically can't store it properly, We can, and are, I bet your dumbass self didn't know that """"waste""" is processed and refused as fuel leaving only a tiny percentage of waste (<3% and possibly lower) that's easy to store. Retards like you are the reason why the world is shit.
>>53846319 What's wrong with it. Also, I think those are water storages to avoid literal droughts that affected the southeast in these past years, they're not mentioned to be used for energy production
>>53846401 >Holy shit you're retarded. see >>53845892 you fucking faggot, I knew some of you aspies would start arguing about that.
>We can, and are, I bet your dumbass self didn't know that """"waste""" is processed and refused as fuel leaving only a tiny percentage of waste (<3% and possibly lower) that's easy to store. Yes, and those "under 3%" are the main issue. You faggots always come like it's nothing at all when in fact it's a huge problem you can't ignore just because it's a """small""" percentage while the rest gets recycled.
>Retards like you are the reason why the world is shit. I honestly feel like you're talking to a mirror. Luckily I'm going to bed, so you don't need to respond with your autistic shit.
>>53847574 ITER: International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor D + T ---> He (3.5 MeV) + n (14 MeV) n + Li ---> He + T
Greatest experiment in human history (so far), ITER is supposed to fix 2 major problems in the world: global warming (by humanity no longer using oil) and energy crisis (we use more and more oil, our most productive oil wells are getting dry).
By creating a "star in a lab" using superconductive materials, strong magnetic fields, at 200.000.000 °C temperature, and millions of amperes of electricity, we could use the formula above, fuse these 2 elements, and get the plasma we need. With this plasma, all of our energy needs would be solved, for quite some time.
>>53848134 Usually when they talk about supporting nuclear energy they're actually talking of energy produced from fission; everyone is going to support that "thingie" if it will ever be ready, but for now we need to decide if we have to make more traditional nuclear reactors, which have a lot of problems.
>>53848602 >>53848676 eh, there is a slight possibility we manage to do solar power, but correctly, from space
>farming solar in space neutralizes ozone layer problem (which blocks 2/3 of the energy) >solves problem of day/night cycles, which further reduce energy to 1/2 >solved desert area problem (sand blocks ton of sun >solves water area problem (water vapor/clouds ruin solar)
If the optics/laser physics and engineering gets good enough, we should be able to 'beam' energy from space to Earth. Nuclear energy isnt as bad as most people think ever since Monte Carlo computers are a thing, but still a risk is a risk, and waste is a waste.
If "rare earths" (which are not even rare in space, if asteroid mining ever becomes a thing) we might actually be able to live just by solar.
t. passed a tiny bit of courses/semesters/exams about stuff that could be related to this a little bit
Daily reminder that conventional nuclear energy isn't "economical" at all. The cost of safety mechanisms and the unsolved long-term waste storage problem make it one of the most expensive ways to produce energy. In every country that has it it's always a political project that can only work thanks to massive subventions from the government or allied nations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_method nuclear reactors are 'simple' enough for a computer to control them flawlessly, back in the day computers worked on magnetic tapes and bullshit like that today's computers are like literal spaceships in comparison to cold war era computers
>>53849157 >this horror and some sponge-like bullshit >life
cthulu pls it is perfectly practical and safe to encase waste in heavy metals and encase the metal block into cement, and then dump it all into ocean there's absolutely no way for this to bite us in the ass later
all in all we are talking about a problem that's literally out of our lifetime, and on top of everything producing megawatt-hours with nuke doesnt create insane amounts of waste
if superconductivity is researched, we might be able to use energy much, much more efficiently, basically we would need a lot less energy, so the waste isnt extreme issue
>>53849673 >attention everybody i am an ACTUAL nuclear shill How does it feel like to not only destroy the planet for generations to come by climate change but also be responsible for the mutant wars that will follow in the next centuries?
>>53849739 >muh destroying the planet alpha and beta radiation is found in... fucking plants and shit
google chernobyl, doesnt look like a stalker rpg, it looks like a green paradise with ton of plants everywhere, an eco-terrorist paradise
there are a lot of types of radiations, and radiation from nuclear waste that's encased in heavy metals and then encased into cement and then dumped into ocean, ITS NOT DANGEROUS fucking hell where did you even study this topic??
No, I just don't think that I can. I went to Fukushima as a volunteer and I got to see what it did to those people. It just isn't and never was worth it. Seeing all the bad that it did first-hand, I just can't fully advocate it in good conscience.
MAYBE if it's out in the middle of nowhere where nothing can fuck it up, but Chernobyl was in the middle of nowhere itself, and that didn't stop disaster from striking. There is just too much at stake if something goes wrong.
>>53849979 ............. your average hospital is full of radiation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_medicine basically half of hospital equipment contains nuclear materials, which are used, on humans
you clearly do not understand alpha, beta and gamma waves, or radiation, or what's harmful, or what's not even a problem just relax, there are people with actual knowledge about this subject, and there are also mushroom that can mop up radiation (radiation we are talking about, small, useless, harmless one) yeah, literal mushrooms, they grow super large and absorb it almost completely
there's nothing to fearmonger about, nuke megawatt-hours waste, encased in heavy metal blocks, encased in cement blocks, on the bottom of the oceans, are HARMLESS I swear my dog would understand this by now
>>53850110 and they are closely monitored to ensure theat nobody gets exposed to more radiation than absoolutely necessary. You think radiation from medical equipment is totally harmless? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident
>>53850160 >cancer patients no, it is used literally on everyone
pro tip, ask a doctor to cover your balls when you are doing a whole body scan you might want to cover your balls, while harmless, radiation of any kind should be kept away from your balls, ESPECIALLY if you plan on having children
no for real go full sperg about it and ask for medical staff to cover your testicles in case of scans of any sort
>>53849709 i don't work at a plant. i work at a facility which manufactures linear accelerators. for r&d we also require small reactors. we dont actually generate consumer energy.
i have visited plants and reactors and linacs in russia, korea, idaho, and michigan though.
>>53849739 nuclear is far safer than any energy method humans have come up with. with the proper precautions and all regulations followed, you will literally have 0 deaths. it creates ridiculous amounts of power, the only downside being that it uses a lot of water, it's loud, and you generate a spoonful of waste every couple months.
>>53850682 more people died because of the tsunami than because of the plant accident this was no Chernobyl. as soon as the alarms sound in the plant everyone in the surroundings got evacuated, except the people that were trying to cool off the reactors. they're the long-term victims and will die eventually in the next 20-30 years. i googled it and it was like 300 or more of them
"green energy" is often not really green, usually hugely expensive and consuming of land. it's often unable to meet demands, and will be increasingly unable to meet them because new technology in solar/wind/hydro will be outpaced by population growth and industrial needs it's STILL limited in where you can place it, and when it can operate
pro's of nuclear: massive energy output potential less mining required than coal all the pollution is the responsibility of the operator currently can be placed just about anywhere that is safe nuclear technology is still in it's infancy, and there is much room for development
cons: dangerous if your government is corrupt and negligent liberals get mad
>>53851111 it is a direct cause. if they were not installing solar panels they would not be on the roof and they would not fall. and "hundreads of deaths" did not occur during the evacuations lol.
>>53851139 honestly one of the best ideas is to seal it up nice and tight and then leave it on the ocean floor. nothing will get in it, it'll be surrounded by supercooled water and be undisturbed for thousands of years. no memes.
>>53851228 >According to a 2012 Yomiuri Shimbun survey, 573 deaths have been certified as "disaster-related" by 13 municipalities affected by the Fukushima nuclear disaster. These municipalities are in the no-entry, emergency evacuation preparation or expanded evacuation zones around the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant. There is no material that can withstand the pressure, the heat and the radiation of nuclear waste for thousands or in some cases millions of years.
>on 20+ meters, hard hat doesnt even do anything for you in terms of safety >blocks your whole vision >is there just to stop falling hard objects from hitting your head >but there are no falling objects on most if not all jobs
>>>everyone blames poor electronic technicians might as well force blinders on the poor people they must either work in a diesel plants and taste the benzine in their mouth and lungs for a long time, or they must climb heights without seeing anything above, with just one belt and rubber shoes (need hands for other things)
>>53851228 >lmao. he get hurt? was it bad? Only scrapes and bruises. He's a fuck up though and had no business being in instillation. Afterwards he was given a desk job and then asked to quit because he was shit at sales.
>>53851349 yeah there is such a material, its called a mountain or a hill japs put their reactor in a tsunami/earthquake area, so that's their fault
hills and mountains are ideal places for a nuclear reactor, but copper-zinc alloy has electric resistance, and that's what is used to transfer electric energy, so you are wasting energy if its far away from the city
>>53851349 >There is no material that can withstand the pressure, the heat and the radiation of nuclear waste for thousands or in some cases millions of years. >pressure what >heat what >radiation Do you even know how radiation works? Do you even understand the basic dynamics of a fission reaction lmao
>>53851433 >hills and mountains are ideal places for a nuclear reactor >no large bodies of water for cooling >danger of landslides >danger of avalanches if we are talking about real mountains >danger of floods >in some places danger of earthquakes >isolated from the outside world so disaster relief is more difficult
>>53851228 i'd really prefer they'd bury it before just dumping it and the crate gets open. plus sea salt corrodes the best of cement not to mention metal here's the thing tho: we all agree that there's no such thing as "clean energy" put a hydroelectrical dam: surroundings get flooded, you're subject to the pressure of the river/sea, if it rains, if there's draught and it doesn't payback the energy that it took to open it put a nuclear plant: everything works perfectly until that fateful day when atomic reactions finally get loose there's no win/win situation
>>53851547 lmao wind is one of the most dangerous energies it fucks up the soil, scares away natural life (seriously birds are super freaked out) and now the important bit, wind turbines are never placed 100% how they theoretically should, they have these oscillations which cause micro-earthquakes this destroys the soil but can also causes earthquakes
should be among first hits on google
>>53851538 its textbook nuclear reactor placement, surely academia knows better than anon on 4chan also your whole greentext is addressed, you can read up on it
and excess heat is used below the roads, to melt the snow, or to heat towns and so on, if you are talking about emergency cooling there is a fake lake that is being created nearby
>>53845334 Yes. We already have 3 Nuclear Plants (2 of which are considered the largest in the world). If history is anything to go by we seem to be one of the few countries that knows what the fuck were doing.
>>53851868 >THAT is the dangerous kind of radiation you don't even need to go that far ultraviolet rays from the sun got less and less filtered since the 40s but yeah, "ozone layer hole" is a dead fad nowadays..
>>53851688 >wind turbines cause earthquakes The only source I can find on this one is a liberal-hating "science website" on which the author compares windturbines to hoovercrafts because "are propelled by a giant fan".
>>53852083 >we have solar winds that protect us huh? aren't those winds trying to kill us instead? and yeah almost all of it gets repelled by the magnetosphere but much more people died from skin cancer than from a quasar blast, statistically ;-D so yeah no need to exaggerate
Lots of suicides, lots of lost money. Dairy cows had to be slaughtered, and there was a ban on produce coming from the area. People are displaced to this day. If you lived in Fukushima, especially as a farmer, the power plant fucked you and just because it didn't kill anyone itself doesn't mean it didn't do any damage. >"One man I know went back to check his house,” a woman told CNN last year. “When he didn’t return his family went to find him. His car was parked outside. He had hanged himself. I think he’d given up, he couldn’t see any future.”
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/06/14/japan.farmer.disaster/ >"Wish there was no nuclear power plant. My endurance has come to an end," the note says. The farmer, in his 50s, then killed himself on the land he struggled to maintain since Japan's tsunami and nuclear crisis began.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/feb/24/divorce-after-fukushima-nuclear-disaster >Last year, prominent anti-nuclear activist Hobun Ikeya, the head of the Ecosystem Conservation Society of Japan, said at a public meeting: "People from Fukushima should not marry because the deformity rate of their babies will skyrocket."
The cost and the loss is just too much for me to personally rally behind nuclear energy 100%.
>>53851966 anyway, the point is radiation is not as harmful as you think the light coming out of your monitor, is radiation, electromagnetic radiation to be precise (not exactly alpha, beta, or gama, or ionizing radiation) but radiation none the less
materials used in therapeutic and industrial purposes are not 'civilization destroying planet ending humanity killers' damn eco terrorists are luddites of today....
>tfw everyone is asking where to dump it all >tfw nobody realizes that the US made some significant strides in fusion reactors lately >tfw nobody realizes we're inching towards limitless energy, which may happen during our lifetimes
>>53852613 what do you mean by wendelstein? that german magnet plasma thingie? best commercial magnets are less than 40T, wendelstein simply can not generate electricity for consumption, that's for science, that cant provide electric power for use
Nuclear energy is great but needs a lot of improvement before it becomes mainstream. Its clean and it is efficient but it has a stigma mainly do to Chernobyl and Fukushima but Chernobyl was soviets being retarded and not caring while Fukushima was a case of being retarded too because they build it on islands that are fond of natural disasters. Nothing like Chernobyl will happen again, they got that safety shit locked down and Chernobyl was caused because they turned off all the safety features in order to run tests and it blew like a computer processor that was overclocked too much.
The main problem with nuclear energy is cost and nuclear waste. The plants cost a fucking ton of money but they actually have a life span, a powerplant is not forever it needs to be decommissioned and carefully dismantled after a couple of years which costs more money. The biggest problem with nuclear energy is the waste, you can't get rid of it or reuse it though there talks of it being used for batteries that never run out but so far we just bury it, store in ware houses or illegally dump it.
If they can sort out the plants and the waste than not using nuclear power is retarded.
>>53852566 We already have what's virtually limitless energy with no practical drawback. Thorium reactors can't melt down and can't be used to make bombs. The element thorium is everywhere, too. But an infinite resource cripples the concept of a profitable economy with how the energy sector has organized itself -- so it remains indefinitely in experimental limbo, and has been in such a state for the last half century.
Jesus Christ if you don't have at least a basic introductory college class level of understanding just stop fucking posting. >>53852416 >As well as that, Chernobyl was caused my politicians No it was caused by a badly planned training exercise. >>53852757 Waste is easy to take care of.
>>53852791 well I dont know about politics my colleagues almost never talk about politics, most people are pretty apolitical when it comes to that, and are content to just do their thing who ever is calling the shots
not just in serbia, I was invited a few times to france and netherlands were there were a bunch of people, mostly students but also academia and industrial researchers, and politics arent very much discussed basically all sides want/need scientists so who ever wins, scientists continue to get that food, shelter, and 6 digits starting
>>53852859 blasting nuclear waste into space is a first thing that comes to mind, but this is practically impossible
1) missile tech is bad, fails often, imagine the disaster of nuclear waste being released into atmosphere 2) political problems, launching nuclear anything into space is like cold war all over again, everyone gets suspicious he will be nuked
and so encasing it in heavy metal block, and then encasing that in cement block, and then dumping it into ocean is the only solution
>>53853011 He said on multiple occaisons that the radiation itself is harmless because we use medical equipment in hospitals. He is in every nuclear energy related thread and always has crude theories that aren't proven.
>>53853006 >it's been posted multiple times how waste is handled >'we make it sleep with the fishes' garbage will always be a problem no matter what you do with it btw "limitless energy" sounds cool but is there anything limitless in the universe?
Chernobyl is like a wildlife sanctuary now and one of the only places in the world still with healthy wolf populations. Lots of animals are migrating there. Birth defects in local populations are 4-6% up from a natural 2-3%. Their bones are irradiated but they're in excellent health.
Have a read up on it, its a key point in current radiology research. No one argues that a high immediate exposure is very harmful, but the long term effects of slightly increased background and general contamination really aren't known yet.
>>53853088 i honestly just masturbate and play videogames. there are far more serious people working on this, I just cant focus... one day I pick vaccines, next day quasars, next day condensed matter physics, next day plasma, next day NOR gates and electronics, next day computers, next day cosmology I cant focus, its a miracle I passed any exams
>>53853238 >(radiation we are talking about, small, useless, harmless one) >there's nothing to fearmonger about, nuke megawatt-hours waste, encased in heavy metal blocks, encased in cement blocks, on the bottom of the oceans, are HARMLESS >while harmless, radiation of any kind He said it three times in this thread alone and I won't read the whole thing again to look for diffferent wording.
>>53853097 >Building burns down Try "explosion takes out multiple blocks and releases toxins and carcinogens into the air" >>53853148 There's nothing wrong with storing it in the ocean. >>53853250 What's your experience with nuclear chemistry and/or physics?
>>53853284 Its still not safe to live, the animals and plants returned but they are heavily radiated. Chernobly won't be safe for humans to live in for years to come, even visting there for a little while is dangerous.
Although Chernobly is no reason to be anti nuclear power. Soviets were careless and retarded and it was back in the cold war, modern nuclear power has no chance for an disaster like Chernobly.
>>53853366 >toxins and carcinogens into the air lol whut and then you're the 'chemistry/physics expert'
>There's nothing wrong with storing it in the ocean i don't really have experience with the ocean but AFAIK the seasalt corrodes everything yet y'all confident that encasing the waste in metal/cement coffin will solve the problem not to mention corrupt corporations that don't encase it properly... well actually yes, let's make that a main concern, i do not trust any waste processing company
>>53853366 I studied chemistry but don't have a degree. I also had an advanced physics course in HS that was pretty cool. We visited a particle accelerator in Hamburg where our teacher worked in the 80s.
>>53853441 >lol whut >and then you're the 'chemistry/physics expert' You're fucking retarded if you don't know that they use processing chemicals in power plants. >i don't really have experience with the ocean Then shut the fuck >not to mention corrupt corporations that don't encase it properly... well actually yes, let's make that a main concern, i do not trust any waste processing company Paranoid fuck
you see, the reason cockroaches can survive in radiation is, their cells divide much less often than in humans radiation harms us while our cells are dividing, which happens all the time in humans when cells are dividing (old cells die, new cells continue to be us), the cell is most exposed while exposed like this, radiation, even tho its not ionizing, can harm us, or at least dna if dna is harmed, you end up with horrific mutations and if your ballsack is irradiated, well, you are fucked, there's no better explanation
but there is still hope, it might be possible to remove radiation enough to be again harmless for humans its not nanomachines like movies and videogames like to put it, it might actually be mushrooms and their spores
all in all, humans have insane survival capabilities, there's nothing humans cant solve (except >>53852083, in case of quasars we are utterly fucked)
fleas endure 10+ g force when they jump around, and physicists are studying fleas for this rats are some of the most insane survival creatures, we like to imagine our blue planet as a nice place... but 95% of all life that ever lived on earth, went extinct there were 5 near extinct events, one is the famous meteor hit, causing ash and dust to block out the sun.... well in these conditions, it was rats that preserved life "mammals", all of us, actually are still alive thanks to a rat-like creature, it preserved life when everything else died
and finally human bones, they are "stronger" than steel, they can endure more force before breaking, human bones bend and twist and auto repair while a steel bar would snap under the same force
>>53853441 >I don't have experience with the ocean
If you want to know why people want to bury nuclear waste in the sea it's not just because it "away from us". Radiation is just energy, don't think of it as food dye. Instead think of the sea as a lead block. Your doctor covers your dick with a lead plate when you get an xray which just diffuses the energy and reduces its intensity. This is exactly what the sea does, except it takes a couple of meters.
In other words would you think it to be safe to stick your head over the top of pic related?
>>53853663 Life is pretty weird, watching the documentary life at the minute after spending two hour watching documentaries about ants(another cool incest). Life tries so hard to survive, makes me wonder why does it bother.
>>53853756 I find it weird how people think Earth is some sort of a paradise in the universe, how our planet is safe. Meanwhile Earth periodically wipes out 99.9% of all life from its surface, and this has happened so many time to so many living things, its insane.
We know of 5 or 6 near extinction events, where our planet basically just almost deleted life. That Lovecraft guy, he was onto something. His novels are about universe being a horror movie rather than a comedy.
>>53853843 one should always protect his dick, its more important than your head, at least from biological point of view maybe genetic engineering can repair your balls and sperm if you have been exposed, always ask for a foil or metal sheet when at scans
about cosmic rays, sun actually moves around, sun doesnt just stand in place and when the sun moves, it projects these things called solar winds (I think, my english might be wrong here) that protects us from the cosmic rays, or at least reduces them for our planet's magnetic field to protect us further
>>53853934 Well two or three of those mass extinction events were us and we are currently in one now because of us. Be happy anons as a species you are on par with nature and meteors
>>53854022 >sun actually moves around, sun doesnt just stand in place This always fascinated me, I thought it never moved but apparently it shakes a lot like an Olympic hammer thrower because the gravity caused by the planets orbiting it. If you look at a star and see it moving it means there are planets orbiting it.
>>53854083 yeah, the sun moves, and if you look at the last planet that orbits it, you can figure out that "gravity" does not actually exist, at least not like we imagine it
gravity is just a model that we made up, not a fundamental force of nature, it is a common misconception among people who do not study physics, to think that gravity exists, or at least that gravity "pulls things together"
classical physics (newton) was proven wrong with the experiment where we could see the light of stars at the edges of the sun, this proved that the shortest distance between to lines is NOT a straight line (this sound confusing, I can explain it further)
einstein developed special theory to explain this, and since him we used this new physics to explain things, and now even that physics was proven false, and we only had to look in our solar system
so far, physicists have managed to only answer 3 questions in physics completely, universe is still a complete mystery and we still have no clue how anything works at least on a fundamental level
Would I like to see nuclear power plants in my country? No.
Why? Because my country has a serious problem with public contracts, with corruption and such. Also, I really can't trust the people who would be going to work there. There's a risk of putting up another Chernobyl.
>>53860617 This share is reducing over the last years, now a fair share of import is from Germany to store is in our mountains and selling it back if they need it (therefore our import numbers are higher than they need to be - but yes, sometimes we need to import dirty energy).
>>53860420 Dunno, my slavic friend Propellers are silly, but solar panels are pretty fucking efficent. My family has those on our farm and we are more or less self sufficent. However this is no option for city faggots due to lack of space and massive energy consumtion and population centration.
>>53845334 Yes, whatever makes us less dependent from sandniggers and muslims is good on my book.
That being said, muslims are too fucking stupid to figure out nuclear energy on their own. Iran is the best example, they have to employ scientists they would otherwise hang for heresy, but if they provide them nuclear energy it's sort of okay... even though it contradicts their shitty ideology..
>>53861422 >The first experiments with thermobaric weapon were conducted in Germany during World War II and were led by Mario Zippermayr. >The German bombs used coal dust as fuel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon#History
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