>>53763255 There are no " is " or " are " The words are made by adding addons to the other words. For example kitap means book , if you add the "lık" addon it means bookshelf ( kitaplık ) There are no words that have a decicated gender
>>53763964 spoken language was like this before atatürk too. atatürk just changed the alphabet to latin from arabic so that its easier to learn how to read and write. also i guess the old turkish alphabet also has a lot of similarities with latin as well.
>>53764428 Capitalisation is a by product of having two different scriptstypes...there were only two. And capitalisation tries to get an advantage from having every letter in two fonts.
imagine we would have had all the fonts we have today when Duden invented the capitalisation rules. We would have ended with rules like: verbs start with a letter in font x, adjectives start with a letter in font y and pronouns start with a letter in font z. And you would have to learn ALL the fonts.
>>53764768 Turks spoke some dialect of Ottoman Turkish dependent upon region. Atatürk basically standardized the language in education by removing loan words and simplifying spelling. Imagine if Bismark after the unification of Germany had instituted reforms to German removing all words of slavic and french origin such as Grenze and implementing reforms to standardize High German in. all of the regions of Saxony, Bavaria, and Swabia.
>>53765036 German is technically standardized but every region has some sort of dialect or mix as an Umgangssprache. If you live in Köln you speak Kölsch and if you are from Dresden you speak Sächsisch. Turkish doesnt have this same diversity of dialects. Everyone uses the same word for potato, not erdapfel or kartoffel or whatever further variation.
>>53765250 >Consequently, Ottoman Turkish was largely unintelligible to the less-educated lower-class and rural Turks, who continued to use kaba Türkçe ("raw Turkish"), which used far fewer foreign loanwords and which is the basis of the modern Turkish language.
Also, did you forget that Ataturk was an elite? A very learned man? His speeches are mostly intelligible, I can watch videos of him giving speeches and understand most of it.
>>53764594 its because in the era in which Turks converted to islam was arabic golden age. there was a saying like this if i am not wrong, "you make science in arabic, you wage wars in turkish".
>>53764663 its kind of a slang for wallet as well.
>>53764623 only elites spoke ottoman turkish which was a really stupid type of turkish. in rural areas people talked the original turkish that we speak today with some changes. grammar rules etc. are nearly same.
>>53765250 yes because Atatürk learned administrative turkish which is basically ottoman turkish. later he also learned the regular turkish we use now. his 10th year of republic speech and also speech to youth is pretty much pure turkish with just some several old words that we dont use in it.
>>53765401 forgot to add but his book "speech" was first written in ottoman turkish (aka arabic) and later translated into regular turkish. this was if i am not wrong 1926. But his later speeches are regular, pure turkish that we use now and doesnt need translation.
>>53765393 a north german friend of mine says he has really hard time understanding south germans though even the words used are same. you dont have that problem in turkey. you can understand pretty much all kinds of dialect without problem unless the guy is from thrace.
>>53765393 I know for a fact that this isnt true because I have worked in Baden-Württemberg and studied in Sachsen. Except for in Switz they dont speak in hard dialects professionally if they can help it but they will casually speak the dialect of the region. German is definitely not standardized across Germany. Even Germans have trouble understanding Schweizerdeutsch and Bayrisch.
Taqiyya is strong in this thread. Don't take anyone's word for truth and try to research everything yourself, my friends. Peace.
>>53764663 It's Arabic for "pocket", Armenians use it sometimes colloquially in this meaning too. Though when one wants to say that he has no money he can say literally "there is no money in my pocket [jeb]". Probably the new meaning in Turkish evolved along similar lines.
>>53768427 >funny thing, language Yeah, Armenian for example managed to borrow the same Iranian word twice. E.g. "dushman" (enemy) had been borrowed from Middle Persian and undergone sound changes and came to be as "tshnami" in modern Armenian. Later, in Ottoman times, it was again borrowed. So now we have "tshnami" and "dushman" for "enemy" in Armenian.
I love Turkish. But it's reslly hard to find a decent site to learn it and almost imposible to find an institute. Can any Turkbros give me a hand? Fo You know any good site por youtube channel? Also, unrelated but are there any ethnic group in Turky that looks like the Central Asia Turkic peoples? I mean, with a Mongol vibe. I am reslly interested in Turkish ethnic history.
>>53772071 Throat singing is similar to the ''ommmm'' meditation sounds made by some monks in order to reach trance, while the even stronger vibrational aspect of it, is similar to the sound of the temir komuz. It has a deeper spiritual meaning. Avoiding lyrical singing is probably not even a quality of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoYrLM5rGX8
>>53777148 You could always go to /tr/ and use Duolingo with some movies/songs/shows etc. I could show you some stuff to work with if you're interested.
Also, I'm not aware of any specific group in Turkey that stayed Turkic, but every once in a while you'll see someone with more Turkic features. Slanted eyes, flat face, smaller but slightly wider nose, slight yellow tinge. I'm not sure if they would pass as natives in Central Asia though.
>>53781383 For historical type shows you have Muhteşem Yüzyıl and Diriliş Ertuğrul. The former takes place in the mid-Ottoman times and the latter is when they were just a small band in northwestern Turkey getting their shit together.
Leyla ile Mecnun is a comedy show, don't know too much about it but I heard good things about it.
Ezel is a crime/drama series centered around a detective. Great show desu. Öyle Bir Geçer Zaman Ki is a drama show too that I've heard is good (haven't watched it though).
I'll see if I can find you a textbook to work with
>>53781383 I've found a few .pdf textbooks for you to use. I don't know if the thread will still be alive by the time the link is ready so I'll just name them until then: Teach Yourself Turkish, Turkish Grammar by Robert Underhill, Turkish: A Comprehensive Grammar, and the Delights of Learning Turkish.
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