>Sexual harrasment in swimming pools by Arab/North African males >News
I already had a Deja Vu when I heard about the Köln things.. But this is just straight up _exactly_ the same as what happened frequently in the late 90s early 00s here... Which makes me wonder: Has this been commonplace all over Europe all these years, but didn't other countries report these sort of incidents?
>1999 (article refers to a loooong lists of incidents before the one it's about) http://www.nrc.nl/handelsblad/1999/07/16/meisjes-aangerand-in-tikibad-7454999 >2002, article about how there is now more security and control as the directors of the pools grew tired of the CONSTANT stream of incidents relating sexual intimidation/assault, violence etc. http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/5009/Archief/article/detail/2775307/2002/07/26/Jongeren-helpen-de-badmeester-in-De-Mirandabad-een-handje.dhtml >2002. 'At the court of the Hague 11 years olds on trial for rape is no longer surprising' http://www.volkskrant.nl/archief/nog-geen-twee-turven-en-nu-al-verdacht-van-verkrachting~a609077/ >2003: 4 'Belgian' kids arrested in Dutch pool for sexual assaults on teenaged girls http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/164058/1/1/50/jongeren-opgepakt-na-aanranding-in-zwembad.html >1998 (!!!): 'On Fridaynights it isn't even fun anymore' http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/5009/Archief/article/detail/2726436/1998/06/20/OP-VRIJDAGAVOND-IS-DE-LOL-ERAF.dhtml
Literally how is it suddenly news in Germany? Have they not seen incidents like this in the 90s? Didn't they tighten security and such, like our public swimming pools? Was there no outrage? Was there a cover up? Were these sort of incidents somehow unique to the Netherlands in that time?
There were Turks among those incidents in the 90s here as well.. If I were you I'd sooner doubt your media and government's reporting skills than blindly trust the fact that your immigrants would never.... Because if anything the whole Köln incident has shown that German authorities and media have dubious reporting standards.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dEXDWUcWD_sJ:www.nrc.nl/handelsblad/1998/06/30/lik-op-stuk-bij-seksueel-wangedrag-jongeren-in-zwembaden-7405330+&cd=6&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=nl (cache because paywall for Archive)
These articles, both about 15 years old, speak of incidents in swimming pools perpetrated by people who are of foreign descent 98% of the time, mostly Moroccan or Turkish... I find it hard to believe other European cities have not seen incidents like these... The way international media are acting like this is some completely new phenomenon smells like bullshit to me.
I gotta be honest. I get it if some Poles or whatever are joking about this but where do Brits get the idea of joking about this when over 1400 kids have been raped in England since the late 90s. German police tried to deny it for like 4-5 days, English police denied it for like 15+ years out of fear for being called racist. If this is this "banter" you're talking about, you're not doing a good job Percy.
>>53677176 >These incidents are all just evidence of the same attitued across Europe
Nah m8... Rotherham is pretty unique. I doubt there are other European states where facts were so blatantly covered up for such a long time. If anything the scale of Rotherham got so big because authorities did nothing for a literal decade..
>theres almost certainly similar incidents that jusf havent been uncovered.
See all the articles I linked in this thread. All Dutch, but the narrative is pretty similar: Arab/North african men harass/assault/rape teenage girls.. As early as 1998 there was policy in place with municipal governments, municipal pools and the police. I doubt that a Rotherham-tier scandal could have developed in the light of all that extra attention for sexual violence perpetrated by immigrants..
>>53679057 >Have you heard of this new thing called the Catholic church? The abuse going on for 50 years in Ireland, or the rapey choir run by the last pope's bro that's just come out? Yes. We've had quite a few inquiries and commissions look into that, with regards to schools, churches and orphanages in this country.. >Britain's not got any special circumstances to cause this. Apart from authorities and social workers afraid to report incidents for being called 'racist', and police refusing to take reports from 12 years olds being raped because they were apparantly lower class slags... >And your evidence of all the dutch goings on shows that this can happen in one country and still be ignored in another. It happened in both the UK and the Netherlands, apparantly.. But authorities and media picked up on it at the start here, in 1999... While in the UK it took 15 years and 1400 victims. There seems to be a difference in attitude there. >Just because you don't see it doesnt mean it isnt happening. That much is true. But just because it happened in the UK doesn't mean it must have happened here as well... Again: I doubt a coverup here would have gotten so big, since authorities and media here do not have a habit of sweeping sexual assaults by immigrants under the rug... >We only found out in the UK because people started to want to hear about it because of saville. Do you think people wanted to hear about the mass sexual assaults in the Netherlands in 1998? Of course not... But even fewer people wanted it to carry on. >Now that these events are becoming news people are willing to hear in europe, more and more will be dug up, just watch.
Oh, no doubt. I just think there won't be much to dig up (not saying nothing, mind you, but I doubt they'll pull 1400 victim reports out of some drawer here) in this country, as there these sorts of crimes have typically been reported right as they were committed.
>>53679772 >>Britain's not got any special circumstances to cause this. >Apart from authorities and social workers afraid to report incidents for being called 'racist', and police refusing to take reports from 12 years olds being raped because they were apparantly lower class slags...
I mean special circumstances to cause authorities to ignore it. Sweden is more 'yes' for example, you think it couldnt have happened there? There's a thread now about a murdered boy in sweden where all the press are only telling the muslim murderers side. And all these stories of immigrants are after only a week of this stuff coming out.
The thing about the dutch stories i mean proves that the same thing can happen wothout anyone knowing. Look at it this way: this time last year would you have said that the assaults by migrants could only happen in NL because it jadn't been reported elsewhere?
>>53680239 >Sweden is more 'yes' for example, you think it couldnt have happened there?
Doubtful. For all of their >yes they have extremely strict sexual assault/rape laws, a high degree of equality of the sexes and a large amount of men that unironically call themselves 'feminists'... I think their >yes attitude would quickly melt in the light of mass sexual assaults.. They might have covered a few (like at that STHLM festival), but not 1400 of them.
>Look at it this way: this time last year would you have said that the assaults by migrants could only happen in NL because it jadn't been reported elsewhere?
No, ofcourse not.. There are issues with Muslims and the treatment of women wherever they go. Anyone that lives in a country with semi-functioning media knows this..
I'm not saying that a Rotherham-tier scandal could only have happened in the UK.. I'm just saying it likely hasn't happened here on a similar scale.. If anywhere, I have my doubts about Germany.
>>53680838 >More were molested in catholic scandals for a longer time but that somehow doesnt count?
I don't know about the UK, but the Catholic church's track record is well known and documented.. There have been inquiries and commissions as early as the 70s and as recent as 2010, and most of the incidents investigated took place before that. There's a reason the Catholic church is all but dead in this country m8.. Obviously it counts, but saying there is currently a culture of covering up or a pressing issue regarding child abuse in the Catholic church is (for Western Europe anyway) simply not true. There is, and was plenty of attention for those cases..
>Also Sweden may be down on rape but gets a bit soft when it's immigrants (black dick is expensive).
Perhaps, but at least their police tried to make an effort to report, and their media have started picking up as well since Köln. Again: I doubt the Swedes are 'tolerant' enough to let over a thousand girls be raped..
The Irish population only became widely aware of church abuses in the 90's and the govt didnt launch an official investigation until 2000, and that didnt get published until 2009.
It makes no difference that these thing have now got out and been dealt with. They have in the Rotheram case too and there have been convictions and arrests are still on-going.
You can keep your head in the sand if you want that rotherham was a freak occurance so that you can use it as banter on /int/. People would have said that it was impossible in the UK too before it was discovered. But these sex attacks that are coming out and the media and government response are evidence of exactly the same motive of covering up crimes to 'not inflame racism'
>>53681989 >The Irish population only became widely aware of church abuses in the 90's and the govt didnt launch an official investigation until 2000, and that didnt get published until 2009.
To be fair, Ireland is basically an insane theocracy.. When they were just learning about sexual abuse issues in the Catholic Church, the Netherlands had already become a missionairy zone.. >pic This is what the city of Amsterdam looked like when the pope last visited the Netherlands in 1985. The banner says (roughly) 'Pope, piss off'.
>You can keep your head in the sand if you want that rotherham was a freak occurance so that you can use it as banter on /int/. This isn't about banter m8.. And I do think Rotherham is a freak occurance, but not because of the actual assaults/rapes, but because of the widespread coverup.. You make a parallel with the Catholic Church, but that goes limp imo. The Catholic Church, particularly in Ireland, is a very powerful organisation with a MASSIVE moral and religious authority over it's members. It makes sense that an inward-oriented organisation like that would try to cover up scandals like that.. Particularly because they're literally a church that literally claims that they're holy. > People would have said that it was impossible in the UK too before it was discovered. If someone told you a week before Rotherham came out, that British authorities and social workers frequently covered up cases of sexual abuse, out of politically correct considerations, you would not have believed that? Because I would have, to be honest...
Why do you keep trying to make everything about the Netherlands? Im not talking about the Netherlands. Yeah, right. You say that now because you already know it happened. You think the UK has more left leaning sensibilities than Germany? Or Sweden? Germany can't even show a swastika for fear of inciting racism, you think theyre more happy to announce 1400 interracial rapes on the 6 oclock news?
How can you say rotheram was unique because of the cover ups when the last week has literally been non stop evidence of coverups?
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