>>53665032 >kind of embarrassing that you arent. Huh? Germany used to have a population 20 million larger than the UK. Now that gap has closed to 15 million it's becoming possible. We're at a big population disadvantage, though. It's kind of embarrassing you are stupid enough to not realise that
>>53665087 Services just makes more money. We do have some industry but it's mostly specialist stuff. I mean there's the big Tata Steel thing that they keep moaning about on Welsh news. If someone elsewhere is doing it for cheaper than you either specialize or shut down.
During the last general election campaign, Labour literally, LITERALLY, commissioned the huge tombstone in pic related and pledged to erect in the Downing Street garden if they got elected. It's 2.6m tall and weighs 2 tonnes.
It became an instant meme and since Labour's election defeat, journalists across the country have been trying to find it. No one knows where it is, and the Labour party isn't telling
>Mayor of London Boris Johnson called it 'some weird commie slab', whilst shadow transport minister Michael Dugher later admitted it was a "12ft, granite, marble, cock-up” - though the tablet is actually limestone. Dan Hodges reported that while watching Miliband unveil the tablet on television, a Labour press officer "started screaming. He stood in the office, just screaming over and over again at the screen. It was so bad they thought he was having a breakdown". A party adviser said after the election that "The only reason it got through 10 planning meetings was because we were all distracted, looking for a way to punch through on the SNP".
>Lucy Powell, the Labour campaign's vice-chair, was widely thought to have committed a gaffe about the stone, when she said on Radio 5 Live "I don’t think anyone is suggesting that the fact that he’s carved them in stone means he’s absolutely not going to break them or anything like that". This was particularly damaging as the whole point of the stone had been to underline the seriousness of Miliband's commitment.
>>53668942 The world wars just accelerated a decline that started at the end of the 19th century. The truth is that no empire lasts forever, especially one in which the mother country is a very small fraction of the size of its colonies.
However I don't think the empire was "wasted". First of all there were two empires. The first was centred on the 13 Colonies of North America, secured after victory against the French in the 7 Years War. The legacy of this empire is that the future superpower that formed in North America spread English, not French, all over the world, and aggressively promoted British-style capitalism and liberalism everywhere. It was difficult to exaggerate how much this has benefited us. This empire was *not* wasted.
The second empire was centred around India and, unlike the first empire, spread British-style parliamentary democracy to many countries around the world. It also forged strong links between the UK and the East (anchored by Australia and NZ) which are undoubtedly a benefit to us today. Examples include HSBC and the close links to Hong Kong (and therefore China), defence agreements that keep a British military presence in the Far East, cultural and sporting ties, and so on. Certainly not a wasted empire.
One way to appreciate the influence of the British imperial legacy is to try and imagine a world where North America has a French or Spanish culture, and there is no Anglo presence in the East. It's difficult to imagine isn't it? And just try to imagine how isolated Britain would be in that world.
>>53676752 >>53676939 You are wrong, in reality we had no choice, we had to get involved. Consider the alternatives. There are only two
1) Central powers win the war. A Germany which sees Britain as a competitor with a Kaiser who hates us, controls the Channel Ports and dominates the continent. There is no future for the British empire if this happens.
2) France and Russia win. They impose very tough post war conditions on Germany, tougher than Versailles with no Britain and America to restrain the French. And of course they are acutely aware of their ally, Britain, which ignored them in their time of need.
And in both of these scenarios, the entire world knows that Britain does not honour its treaties. The glue that holds the empire together is rendered worthless and disappears overnight. Britain's position in the world is severely weakened.
The only people who think we should have stayed out of ww1 are those who wish Germany had won the war
But you often broke treaties, for example you promised the arabs independence or shanked the portuguese for their colonies, didnt help poland in WW2 when it still mattered and didn't secure the territorial integrity of the ukraine now.
You held your treaties when it was opportune.
The Uk calling for caution might have kept the war going as big as it went, it certainly would have kept the US outside of it.
>>53677841 >>53677841 The UK did call for caution many many times during the July crisis and tried to get the European powers to meet and talk. Unfortunately Germany and Austria Hungary wanted a war. Germany invaded Belgium of its own accord knowing Britain would protect it
By the way, was there an actual treaty like the Treaty of London with the Arabs? I don't think so. And the Ukraine was not promised any military aid, it was only promised that the UK would be involved if its territorial integrity was comprised. And the UK did involve itself, without Britain it's unlikely the eu would have forced through sanctions on Russia.
Regarding Poland and WW2, the UK did exactly what it promised and declared war on Germany when they invaded Poland. The UK s strength being its navy, that's what it used from the start against Germany. How you expected the small British army to defeat Nazi Germany and the Soviet union to liberate Poland I don't know. Honestly, you come across as an idiot.
Instead of being bitter towards the UK for Germany's defeat, maybe you guys should get better at war, or don't get involved in wars that you can't win
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