>>53443169 + her economic reforms were dramatic but necessary and they really did turn the country around (she was elected in 1979, see graph) + one the great PMs because she took the bold decisions and stood up against wimps in her Cabinet, and indeed the wimps across the Pond. + winning the Rebate was nicely done but her methods were not + she did well in the foreign politics of the Cold War in the later years of the USSR
- she could be a bully, her treatment of Howe was unnecessary and distasteful - she wanted to go "on and on and on", this was a mistake and led to her downfall - aggressive methods of "negotiation" made our position in Europe worse than it could have been - could have perhaps softened the impact on the industrial towns
Overall, one of the best post-war British PMs. I put her in my top 3 greatest post-war PMs along with Clement Atlee and David Cameron (conditional on how the rest of his Parliament goes)
>>53444275 Part of what they call the "Post-War Consensus", implemented by the Labour government after WW2, involved nationalisation of massive amounts of industry. By the 1970s the UK was "the sick man of Europe" in no small part due to inefficiencies in our economy from nationalisation, the government backing national champions, lack of innovation and competition, high taxes, a bloated public sector and very strong trade unions with a hostile attitude to everyone else.
Thatcher broke the unions, lowered taxes, privatised a lot of industry, and so on.
Here is another chart. Reminder, she was elected for the first time in 1979
>>53444731 Mass immigration wasn't a problem back then. No one wanted to come here, because it was shit (for reasons mentioned previously). Immigration started to pick up late 80s and then really got going in the 90s
>>53444983 The exclusion zone was meant to exclude neutrals and civilians. It was a war, both British and Argie combatants could be fired upon outside the exclusion zone. The captain of the Belgrano knew this. Read this:
>Interviews conducted by Martin Middlebrook for his book, Argentine Fight For The Falklands, indicated that Argentine naval officers understood the intent of the message was to indicate that any ships operating near the exclusion zone could be attacked. Argentine Rear Admiral Allara, who was in charge of the task force that General Belgrano was part of, said, "After that message of 23 April, the entire South Atlantic was an operational theatre for both sides. We, as professionals, said it was just too bad that we lost the Belgrano".
There should be NO controversy over that sinking. It was WAR.
She was a royal cunt. One time I watched some movie about some coal miners she fucked over. I don't remember much of that movie, only the pure hatred I felt towards her for making those poor people suffer.
>>53446676 I say, fuck the government. I wish we had strong trade unions like you did. We have literally zero protection from greedy companies and the government itself. You should be thankful, the reason you have high wages is exactly because you had strong trade unions. Look at my fucking post soviet country. We didn't have proper trade unions nor did we protest like the French regularly, so capitalism and the state fucked us over with their terrible decisions. Our taxation is sky high, and liveable wages are a dream. Ever wondered which city has the biggest Hungarian population after Budapest? You think it must be like Debrecen or some smaller Hungarian city right? Well wrong, it's London, with over 200.000 people, and it's growing with each passing day. Now you know why.
>>53447762 London is like the 5th or 6th largest French city too. It doesn't say much about Hungary, it says something about London, and that is a story for another day
I'm just going to say there's more going on than trade unions. Hungary has other problems, problems which we don't have. Trade unions are a good thing, but in the late 70s they became too powerful and did a lot of damage to the country. You have to see both sides of the story, don't blind yourself to the negatives because that is unwise
>>53448005 >London is like the 5th or 6th largest French city too. It doesn't say much about Hungary, it says something about London, and that is a story for another day I know, you guys aren't fond of foreigners to put it mildly. So London is viewed generally as one of the sources of everything that's going wrong with Britain at the moment. You hate people who don't speak your language, don't integrate and turn your capital city into another country with their intolerant religion (muslims) and gross cuisine etc. >I'm just going to say there's more going on than trade unions. Hungary has other problems, problems which we don't have. Trade unions are a good thing, but in the late 70s they became too powerful and did a lot of damage to the country. see, this is where we view the world differently. I care very little for the state. I care about the people. People can and had lived without states for hundreds of thousands of years. So it's reasonable that if a county exists it should serve the interests of the people and not the other way around. >You have to see both sides of the story, don't blind yourself to the negatives because that is unwise True, I'll concede that there were negative things during that time.
>>53449207 Now that's the first I'm hearing that. Usually you British are constantly moaning about it on the internet. >On the contrary, London is one of the best things about this country. Care to elaborate then?
>>53449365 Problem with London is that everything is focused on it. Take away London and Britain is literally nothing. The government is planning on making a train line from the Northern cities (Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool) to London, which will allow even more businesses to go there and people to live somewhere else and work in London.
Benefits of London is that it's one of the best cities in the world, economic superpower, tourism etc.
>>53449365 My countrymen and women will moan about anything, it's part of British culture
>Care to elaborate then? There is a global competition, not only between countries and alliances, but also between the World Cities. You said you don't care about the state only the people. I care about both because I think the people benefit when their country is more successful in the world. Having one of the premier World Cities in your country is a huge advantage because it acts as an economic and cultural hub, and it draws talent to the UK from all over the world.
You mentioned Muslims etc. While this is a problem in some cities where they have large communities, London is in fact a true multi-cultural city where you have so many different types of nationalities and religions that none of them can dominate. Some people like to pretend monoculture is multi-culture (I'm thinking of places like Bradford where one culture dominates), and they are wrong. But in London you have true multiculturalism which works well, it's impossible for a single culture to win in London, the only identity is to be a Londoner. This also makes it an attractive places for foreigners to come and work, because anyone can feel at home in London
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