I know this is a very old question, but let's have it again. The last time this was discussed at length, we had quite a bit more Islamophobia and Xenophobia in Europe, which really decreased considerably since then.
I'm from the Balkans myself, and I've met a few Turks who were rather backwards, usually from rural areas, but also really awesome and progressive people from Istanbul. I also see many people here who are completely integrated (actually since I'm a student, I only meet integrated ones). So here is my opinion:
>Turkey is doing economically well
>People from Istanbul are awesome
>Turkey is partly (I would even say largely) genetically European, the people who settled Asia minor in acient times were genetically and culturally Europeans
>Turkey is geopolitically important
>Turkey has lots of people who are more secular than most Europeans
>Some Turkish girls are real qts
>More than half of the country elected Erdogan
>They support ISIS
>They are (still) genocidal and haven't come clear about their past
>They could sabotage the EU much worse than the UK does
>It's questionable whether they could secure their border
>It will involve the EU in middle eastern conflicts
If they were to integrate the western part of Turkey only, Instanbul and the coast, I would vote yes immediately. I'm not sure about the rest. What is your opinion /int/?
I doubt you can fuck up the EU any more.
All is fine at this point, I guess.
The EU is pretty much perfect. You can literally move right now to any place you like and do anything you want, work, study, whatever. Literally every major city you go to you will meet people from all over Europe.
Also, you can buy and sell anything inside of the EU without any additional taxes. It's literally paradise, and it's huge.
why do I have to pay additional taxes if I buy Coffee in Venlo then?
why do you need the EU to move, study and work abroad? You still have to do the exact same paperwork you would do to move to any other country.
Thats bullshit. If your cunt isnt wealthy EU just means that you surrender your (economical) sovereignity to Germany, England and France.
Majority of memberstates neither contribute, nor benefit in the end. You just artificially impoverish poor countries even more and force people to leave their homecountries to make a living.
Unless you actually find a way to make everyone benefit, the EU is pretty fucking useless.
I've never paid any extra taxes for coffee anywhere, unless you mean weed, in which case I don't know.
You don't need any paperwork to move in the EU, you just move. Admissions at universities used to be (no numerus clausus): Open to citizens, limited to foreigners. But as EU citizen, you are also considered citizen, in that and many other instances.
Why do small countries need economical sovereignty in the first place? Sure you can argue fringe cases, but overall the improvements are huge and the drawbacks are minimal.
German companies f.e. can produce cheaper in Romania, under EU law and EU quality guidelines, with more control and less taxes than in China. It's a win-win, and most people in Germany won't even work a trade.
Which remark did you consider troll? The drawbacks of less are economic sovereignty amount to literally disadvantaging certain industries, but no country in the EU relies on one single industry. Loads of stuff is produced in the eastern European countries already, and Germany has 6 million open trade jobs nobody wants to do.
I have friends from rural areas of Austria (I'm from Austria originally), and they are super backwards Christian people. The Istanbul Turks I've met are 10 times more progressive.
I am from France in transit at Toronto Pearson Airport.
I am pro-Europe, federalist.
If Turkey ever joins the EU, I will vote for my country's euro-skeptic party and try to convince anyone I can to do the same.
Never. I will fight till my last breath to make it impossible for Turkey to join.
Turkey's natural alignment is with Europe, but that would require a free Kurdistan
But until the current breed of quasi-Islamist politicians are out of there, Turkey will stagnate in its current position
good luck with that dude
>I have friends from rural areas of Austria (I'm from Austria originally), and they are super backwards Christian people. The Istanbul Turks I've met are 10 times more progressive
The EU will fall apart before Turkey ever makes it in. Turkey should stay out for their own sake, unless they want to lose their national identity and become slaves to Bernd like what happened to every former Warsaw Pact country that joined.
And plenty of "Turks" who were Greeks 100 years ago.
We ought to take some responsibility for this as Europeans I think.