Europe GDP 2015

>>53377212
Germany, we're coming for you nigga

>>53377212
looks depressing
thanks russia

delet this

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>>53377212
>What's your opinion?
UK strong

>>53377212
>(tn= "trillion dollars")

More like "tons" if USA is in first place am i rite

>>53377416
dat japan

>>53377212
Did you make this map btw? If so nice work, I saved it

>>53377495
haha, United Weights of America

>>53377504
that's what they get for not importing workforce and not fucking

>>53377212
Fuck Merkel give me my money

>>53377327
>>53377212

v4 GDP is $1.651 trillion with a population of 64,283,048.

>>53377212
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>53377504
I think we're going to pass Japan tbhfam

>>53377819
depends,if you keep importing more niggers for cheap labour you might.

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>>53377212
>FRANCO-GERMAN """""""""""PARTNERSHIP """""""""""

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>>53377888
Our immigration source countries aren't that bad

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>>53377802
JUST

>>53377255
everytime, every thread

>>53377959
>mfw when we're exporting nurses to uk..

>>53378047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkfhS255dfo

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>>53378047
>it's a Polish post

>>53378134
>it's a british post

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>>53378052
NHS is one of the world's biggest employers, it's a bit crazy

>>53377255
Is this the reference ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfFBnoCL2qU

Remember listening to it on O&A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD6o3jng-9E

>>53377959
Spaniards emigrants are the shame of my country...fucking stupids they go to England when the typical English threat like a trash

>>53377959
I love you

>>53378207
yes lol

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>>53378223
>>53378224
Love you too

>when the typical English threat like a trash
We like Spaniards btw, don't believe the memes

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>>53377959

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>Pooland has twice the economy of ireland but 8 times the population

>>53378223
Los panchitos de Europa

>>53378284
And this is the proof for >>53378277

>>53377212
>russia
just fucking shame

>>53378298
To be fair, Poland didn't get a British bailout, unlike our potato-imbibing neighbours

>>53378284
>for every 3.5 Bulgarians in the UK there is one brit in Bulgaria
I knew we had brits, but I didn't know there were that many of them.

>>53378426
Can I come join the party?

My opinion is that people need to get educated on GDP and basic economics. GDP nominal is misinformative and irrelevant. It does not tell you how wealthy a country is. GDP nominal DOES NOT take into account the inflation of each country, it is a measurement not adjusted based on the local inflation. A relevant measurement would be GDP PPP, which takes into account the local inflation. If you live in Germany and you wanna buy a drink, you go to your local store and you buy it, the price is adjusted to the inflation of your country, therefore how much purchasing power your money have within your country is what determines your wealth, not how much purchasing power your money have in other foreign countries. This map is completely irrelevant for all i care.

>>53378047
A pity that the Irish Germanboo doesn't post anymore

>>53378426
We even had a radio programme on Brits living in Bulgaria
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0645fz0

And this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26324564

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>>53378284
:'D

>>53378500
GDP nominal is the economic power of the state. It says nothing about citizens

GDP PPP is about the wealth of citizens, usually it is given in per capita form

Both are useful. If you're comparing countries, not citizens, you would use GDP nominal

>>53377212
It is sad because Portuguese result is bad
I wish you the best

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>>53377212
;)

>>53378577
Aw shit, I didn't notice that

>>53378577
I live on Asia now.

>>53378828
And your Flag?

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>>53377706
>PPP

>>53378570
There is no such thing as ''economic power of the state''. You can't compare countries, you can only compare citizens, countries do not trade with each other, only citizens do. A ''country'' has no wealth, unless you mean government wealth, in which case you are referring to government spending, which is not an indicator of wealth by any mean, as government takes its money from the money in order to spend it, the people are the ones that create wealth. A country is as wealthy as its citizens are.

>>53378571

at least we beat debtbros

>>53379036
>There is no such thing as ''economic power of the state''
There most definitely is. Your ENTIRE post is proved wrong by the existence of China. Stop and think.

>>53379036
*takes its money from the people*

>>53379049
NO..

Galiza is Spain

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>>53377212
>Ukraine

>>53379036
Use this instead then m8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_wealth

>>53379140
How is my post proven wrong by the existence of China? China has a big government that intervenes in a lot of sectors of the economy, but it also does not intervene in a lot other sectors. There are a lot of government run companies that generate wealth, regardless if a company is run by the state or by private people on the free market, you need to still pay your workers, and your purchasing power within your country is what determines how wealthy you are. Generally the existence of a lot of companies run by the state means you don't have a free economy, and you don't have a wealthy citizens, as state intervention is a certain indicator that you do not have a free economy, which itself is a certain indicator that you do not have a wealthy citizens, eg: Russia. China is becoming more free every day, the state run companies are not what is generating the wealth and the creation of their middle class, the big private sector is. Government money is not an indicator of ''economic power of the state'' there is no such thing. Economic power would be wealth of the people, or perhaps military.

>>53379378
I don't understand the criteria of this measurement, nor the meaning. '' total value of wealth possessed by the citizens'' as it says, would be the purchasing power per capita, which is not what the ranking below shows.

Again, there is no such thing as ''national wealth'' unless you are referring to money the government has from state run companies, or government spending. Which one are you referring to? Both of these are NOT an indicator of wealth, an indicator of wealth would be purchasing power on per capita basis, that shows how much purchasing power each citizen has, which is what wealth is. Wealth means having access to the goods and services you need.

>>53379473
China's economic power is demonstrated in the way it influences other countries and markets. A Chinese leader can use his country's large economy in order to wield power, for example by offering trade deals or denying another country opportunities. It's an important lever of power.

You might also want to look up the definition of GDP, which is the monetary value of goods and services produced in a country in a certain period of time. Nominal GDP is exactly this in the world's reverse currency USD.

PPP is a distortion to the pure measure in order to correct for cost of living. Which is fine when you're talking about citizens, not when you're comparing countries.

>>53379921
>reverse currency
reserve*

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>shitaly bigger than russia

WEWLAD

>>53378298

We bigger than you :DDDDDDDDD And you have almost 1 million citizens more :DDDDDDDDDD And we've seen no GDP growth in like 8 years :DDDDDDDDD Cucks :DDDDDDD

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>>53378284
>there are 7 thousand british paedos in my cunt
GET out,I'm sorry for stealing your credit card get out
re

>>53379921
Let me ask you something, what makes a country's economy ''large''? Is it the purchasing power of the customer, or the amount of money the state has? Obviously if you have a large economy, in the sense that, you have wealthy customers with a big purchasing power, you can use the wealth of that economy in an abstract sense to influence other countries. In general, most countries use their economies to ''influence'' other countries in a negative way, because intervening in a trade creates bad outcomes for your people. How big your economy is, if this is what you are talking about, is measured by how wealthy citizens you have, which is measured by the purchasing power per capita. Russia has a big and rich government, but does it have economic power? No it doesn't, because its citizens are not wealthy.

>>53380604
>Let me ask you something, what makes a country's economy ''large''?
The size of its GDP, which I defined for you in my last post. Go back and read it again.

>Russia has a big and rich government, but does it have economic power? No it doesn't, because its citizens are not wealthy.
Your argument makes no sense. Chinese citizens are POORER than Russian citizens, but Russia has a SMALLER economy than China. MUCH smaller. Look at the OP's picture.

Economic power is NOT about how wealthy your citizens are. Norway and Switzerland are not among the world's largest economies, are they? Just look up China's GDP per capita

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>>53377416
>Japan

>>53377212
Russia is fucking patethic.

Country the size of the whole Europe, with more resources, big population and they're still poorer than Italy. It's fucking funny.

>>53377959
>2015 figures
>not 1990-2015 figures

Are these net figures btw?

>>53381051
TINY

>>53378500
Well, nominal GDP would tell you about the weight of your country in the world. GDP PPP is better when you want to see mire or less how rich are people in one country, but then you have to see per capita datas. And to see the living level in a country, i preffer IHDI better than GDP PPP per capita.

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>russia poorer than shitaly

>>53380808
The size of the GDP on PPP basis. When you make trade deals with other countries and you allow Japanese to sell their cars in your country, they sell their cars ON YOUR INFLATION, they adjust their prices based on YOUR INFLATION, based on how the purchasing power of your customers, they don't adjust the price based on how much would it cost in Japan. You want to measure the size of your economy, which on itself is an abstract measurement, based on the PPP basis, not nominal. PPP is what matters, nominal DOES NOT.

China has bigger middle class than America, China has more billionaires, millionaires, bigger upper class, and a lot bigger middle class than Russia. Chinese middle class is growing every year, it is already larger than America. Russia's middle class, that is, people whose purchasing power is high, is extremely SMALL. Even a small country like Netherlands probably has bigger middle class than Russia.

What you seem you understand by ''economic power'' is the abstract idea of ''power'' which comes from the size of your economy, which on itself is an abstract idea, as there is no such thing as economic size, you cannot measure an economic wealth, the only thing you can measure and the only thing that matters at the end is how much purchasing power every citizen has, that is the only thing that matters.

>>53378570
So Japan lost 35% of its economic power in 2013 when they devalued the yen?

>>53381256
countries are not wealthy, only people can be wealthy.

>>53381247
MOSKAL

>>53381051
>post commie
>just devalued ruble 70%

Why are you surprised they look shit in nominal terms?
What's surprising is that Russia in 2013 was richer than Poland per capita. How the fuck after all that EU money?

>>53381341
Relative to the USD, yes they did. Ideally you would measure it relative to a basket of different currencies. Remember that speculative attacks aside, a weaker currency means a weaker economy

>>53377416
>Undeveloped country
>Economy in recession
Wake me up

>>53381554
I mean a currency getting weaker, obviously. It's about rate of change

>>53381515
>postcommie
It's their own fault.

>>53381256
So Japan lost 35% of its economic power in 2013 when it devalued the yen?

You realize currencies are neither freely traded nor independent assets, right?

The Chinese could make the yuan 1-1 with the dollar or 100-1 if they wanted to because they control its value.
The Japanese central bank purposefully devalued the yen 35% to expand the economy. Does that mean the economic power of Japan declined 35% in real terms?

Does the economic power of the US rise and fall 1-2% each day as the Dollar Index rises and falls?

>>53381051

http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp.php

In this list their have even less GDP than Spain.

>>53381687
They've never been able to rule their own country.

During 18th century. When Russian troops entered Poland and seen all the riches and how high is the standard of living of even peasants, they started being butthurt towards their own ruler and begged her to steal from Poland and give it to them.

They didn't even have any fucking schools in Russia, all was from partitions of Poland.


I don't know how one manages to be a shithole with resources like they have, but I guess it's just slavic thing.

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>>53377212

>combined nordic gdp
>bigger than russia

d-don't get any conquest ideas now, Ivan, t-there's a good lad

>>53381554
Four oranges relative to 2 apples has no direct connection tothe real economy. Just as 80 yen to a dollar or 120 yen to a dollar has no direct connection as well.

Japan produced fewer goods in 2012 than they did in 2013 (remember TE's SuperAbe picture) yet somehow now their economy is 35% weaker?

Bullshit. Nominal GDP is a bad measure of the real economy. As long as currencies remain dependent on central banks and governments, and have trade restrictions, nominal GDP is inaccurate.

PPP may be worse, but that doesn't make nominal better.

>>53380604
lmao not only does Russia have poorer citizens it has a smaller economy anyway making your entire point moot.

>>53381653
>So Japan lost 35% of its economic power in 2013 when it devalued the yen?
You realise why Japan devalued the yen, right? Devaluing one's currency is a sign of economic weakness, especially for an export-led economy

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>>53377212
>your gdp used to be on pair with Italy

Fucking socialists they ruin everything

Is there something about the UK that means no matter what happens, it for alright in the end?

>allied against Napoleon just at the right time
>literally ended Spanish power in Europe by having bad weather
>joined France in WW1 in an unprecedented move
>after ww1 reached a geographical peak of its empire
>went through ww2 and lost a lot of power
>but not as much as everyone else, who were decimated
>became best friends with their fat son and joined the UNSC
>won all of its colonial wars after ww2 and avoided portuguese/spanish/French style messes
>dodged the euro currency
>took 20,000 genuine refugees over a decade from actual UN camps in Syria, not 2 million welfare tourist
>monarch is literally immortal
>people around the world idolise their culture, music etc
>everyone speaks their language
>they are probably going to leave the eu and bring the whole thing down
>their economy is going and their left wing has self destructed

It's like no matter what happens it just slides off them and they continue on

>>53381687
Well your source is not as respected as the IMF so you can rule it out.

>>53381795
>Poland
>1700's
>high living standards

Maybe to Russians.

>>53381892
You didn't answer the question.
Also, your answer implies the 2012 nominal number was inaccurate.

So let me use your logic.
Oh so dollar strength represents America's economy being strong?
Explain our lowest annual GDP growth in 3 years then.

>>53382064
Socialists?
When?

Was 2011 socialist fault?

Why are Sweden, Germany, and Denmark doing so well?

>>53381887
>PPP may be worse, but that doesn't make nominal better.
well but if PPP is worse then nominal is better than PPP

>>53381887
>Bullshit. Nominal GDP is a bad measure of the real economy. As long as currencies remain dependent on central banks and governments, and have trade restrictions, nominal GDP is inaccurate.

But nominal GDP isn't MEANT to be a measure of the real economy. It's a measure of how the economy looks from the outside looking in. An international perspective. Hence the vulnerability to exchange rates. It's the best way to COMPARE different economies, not the best way to understand a single real economy. With the possibly exception of countries like China which don't have a free floating currency

And please remember that a currency gets devalued for a reason. The reason is nearly always weakness. Japan's economy was in trouble, so they devalued the Yen to provide a stimulus. Russia's economic fortunes are tied to oil. Oil falls, so does the Rouble. Do you understand?

>>53382118
>Oh so dollar strength represents America's economy being strong?
YES it does

>Explain our lowest annual GDP growth in 3 years then.
It is strong RELATIVE to other economies. You are not understanding this. You need to look at the international picture, which is what nominal GDP tells you about.

>>53382118
>Maybe to Russians.
Poland was rich since medieval times to the end in 1795.

>>53381891
That was exactly my point, you seem to have difficulties comprehending my comments. Because Russia has poorer people, it has less ''power'' the abstract idea you are talking about. A big country whose people are rich, can go to another country and say - you do what we want or else we're not gonna allow your companies to sell their product in my country''. A big country with poor people can't say that, because its people are nor rich enough to buy their products, India is an examaple, Russia is an example. The only ''power'' Russia has is military power.

>>53382175
When we elected the socialists president he spent the surplus in stupid things instead of preventing the inevitable crisis.

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>>53382090
Well they sure did try their best to let this slide.

>>53382090
Britannia rules the waves

and he who commands the sea, commands...everything? I dunno

>>53382090
We make our own luck and the secret to our success is innovation. You're wrong about the last bit though. We'll stay in the EU, because we are set to become the biggest European economy once again. It's the path to maximising one's influence.

The EU will be a much better thing with a healthy dose of British influence

>>53382237
Russia is not a rich country in any sense of the word and on top of that the wealth of its citizens does not imply the countries economic strength, otherwise places such as Sweden and Finland would be economic bullies which they are not. Meanwhile countries such as America and China wield huge economies which grant them large amounts of power due to their large straight GDP. Please don't distract from a point by whining about reading comprehension.

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>>53382304

>>53382338
Yes.

The reason USA is the hegemon is because they have strong navy.

>>53382310
That wasn't their high politics though. That was a local (labour) government failure. Its like saying that because the people on the Detroit government are corrupt, stupid criminals that let their city go to rot that the whole of the U.S. is like that.

>>53382090
>their left wing has self destructed

If you love whats happened so far then keep tuned for the next election. We could genuinely see Labour dip under 200 seats, especially as UKIP have become their much closer main rivals in the seats where the Tories are hated.

>>53382195
That's not the argument.

>>53382199
Except China's example is very similar to 90% of the world's countries.
Nominal is not a good comparison "from an outside perspective" as you say because currencies are not freely traded or independent.

Japan was in trouble? Q3-Q4 2012 were strong quarters in Japan yet the Yen devalued 15% during those 6 months.
The UK's GDP growth has been faster than America's for 2 years, yet the Pound Sterling is down.

You're forgetting that monetary policy by the central bank determines exchange rates much more so than the economy does.

No dollar strength does not. It represents a divergence in monetary policy. American economic growth was 2.2% in 2015 compared to 2.7% in 2014. Yet the dollar is up.
Why?
Its partly because Europe is weak BUT IT HAS WAY MORE TO DO WITH THE ECB CUTTING RATES AND USING QE.

Nominal GDP is inaccurate from an outside view as well. Japan's economic power did not decline 35% just because the Yen devalued 37% in 2013.

You're essentially saying Japan's 2012 nominal reading was inaccurate.

>>53382090
Well UK history has been pretty average/ shitty if you look before 1500 due it being isolated and small. Its just been on an upswing since then.

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>>53382090
We are just pragmatic.

>>53382118
Have you seen the source of the website ranking?

"International Monetary Foundation (IMF), April 2015"

>>53382517
But you''ll never adopt the Euro. That's what Germany uses to rule over Europe, so unless you made everyone adopt the pound then what will you do?

Bring the EU crashing down. Do it.

>>53382654
No it was local labour and tory government you cuck.

>>53382660
UKIP eats up Tory seats much more so. I see the Tories losing the 2020 elections.

>>53382634
Or maybe it has to do with our extremely beneficia geography, lack of nearby enemies, and massive economy.

>>53382538
Sweden(8 million) and Finland(5 million) are too small to matter, given that you have dozens of other much larger countries with rich customers. If all the other countries in the world had big populations but poor people, Sweden and Finland would be in fact economic bullies, for the same reason India is not today.

>>53382763
I did not. But it's still incorrect.

April 2015 is not the Oct 2015 rating. The Oct 2015 rating is the most accurate reading because it is closer to present.

>>53382823
>thinking a national government has day to day control over some social worker in the middle of nowhere

>>53382823
Hes right you know gunboat diplomacy has been a key part of US strength for a long while now, its only recently its shifted away to air power and even then not by much.

>>53382823
>Or maybe it has to do with our extremely beneficia geography, lack of nearby enemies, and massive economy.
Economy build on war, genocide and slaughter. Just like British.

The most important part is the oversea territory in the most important places and a strong navy to protect it. America is like a bigger version of UK.

The Benelux beats Russia. Wooohooo.

>>53382682
The main mistake you're making here is putting too much stock in GDP growth and not other indicators

>Japan was in trouble? Q3-Q4 2012 were strong quarters in Japan yet the Yen devalued 15% during those 6 months.
>The UK's GDP growth has been faster than America's for 2 years, yet the Pound Sterling is down.

This is what I mean. This is flawed thinking. UK's GDP growth has been faster, but our fundamentals are currently worse than the USA. We have a referendum on the EU which brings huge uncertainty, we have a big current account deficit, we are more reliant on the weak Eurozone for trade which affects us in a negative way (until the Eurozone recovers.

This is why the US is raising interest rates before the UK, because in the round your economic situation is better. It's a schoolboy error to put too much stock in GDP growth. Currency fluctuates for all the reasons I mentioned and more, and influences nominal GDP

>>53382823
>UKIP eats up Tory seats much more so. I see the Tories losing the 2020 elections.
Completely wrong. This has been disproved. Google NCP politics and read his blog, UKIP takes roughly a 50:50 slice out of Tory and Labour seats

Depressing
Welp at least we are richer than Russia

>>53382893
You have no understanding of the story you memer.

>>53382901
And that giant Navy came from our giant economy which comes from our great geography and lack of nearby enemies.

The UK in 1965-1983 was absolute shit.

>>53382856
Okay yeah you do have a point with India in that it is hampered by having all its wealth concentrated in a small corrupt elite in a similar fashion to Russia, but there is a reason India is considered a potential great power on the world stage and that is solely due to its GDP. But I agree it would be a much stronger country if the wealth was not only high but shared across its citizens.

>>53382823
>UKIP eats up Tory seats much more so.

Nope m8. Up north and wherever the Tories are hated because muh thatcher, but UKIP isnt. So UKIP have become the main opposition in much of the post industrial shitholes and a lot of the wealthy and rural south. The only people labour is holding onto is the pretentious middle class

The Netherlands is the king of manlets.

>>53383124
Too small for the big boys. And big enough to beat the little guys.

>>53382957
I don't take into account the other events because GDP growth generally reflects these events in time. That's why the market changes currency exchange rates.
So I use the most inclusive and steady economic stat possible.
Trying to chalk up the differences to the events is a common schoolboy mistake.

The only difference is we have lower GDP growth, and are raising our interest rates. That seems to show monetary policy as determining our exchange rate and not our GDP growth.

I expect UKIP to lean more conservative over time. Also, most UK governments don't remain one party for a long time. I expect a big enough recession in time for those elections.

>>53382982
Yeah for sure USAs economic boom is a huge factor in its rise to power not doubting that at all, the navy was definitely a tool that sprung from that success and solidified it.

>>53382064
Bro, I think you are in mistake, we where equally in GDP per capita, and still are equal:

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Pa%25C3%25ADses_por_PIB_(PPA)_per_c%25C3%25A1pita&ved=0ahUKEwjc2_av6Z_KAhWCvBoKHTAtDMsQFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNGLfHILXu74R6OXYkn9nIHxCnNXFQ

Even in IHDI and HDI
we are better than them:

https://www.google.es/search?q=ihdi+countries&oq=ihdi+countries&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i39j0l2.4156j0j4&client=ms-unknown&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#q=ihdi+countries+2015

Spain and Italy for me have always been the same country with different languages, socially, culturally and economically both are the same. But Italy is always going to have more world weight than us, because they have 15M ihabitants more than us, and they are much better located with us (forntiers with Switzerland, Slovenia (rising economy), Austria, France and very close to Germany. Spain have connection with France and... Morroco?

Anyways yes Zapatero was a cancer to our country, and we have that cancer ruling our country for 8 years, and still people wanting a government of Podemos or PSOE (ZP 2.0).

>>53377212
why the hell we're with belarus in the list?

delet desu

>>53377959
>China
they are that bad

You'll be British Columbia or California within a decade if this continues

>>53382769
>But you''ll never adopt the Euro. That's what Germany uses to rule over Europe, so unless you made everyone adopt the pound then what will you do?
Correct, we won't join the Euro. But we are securing legal protection for the non-Euro countries against the Eurozone, making our position in the EU safe. For example the Eurozone won't be able to push out the City as it has tried to do before.

>Bring the EU crashing down. Do it.
It makes no sense to do this if the EU is a net positive, which it is, despite all the hostility. The EU single market is the wet dream of classically liberal free market capitalists. There is plenty wrong with the EU, of course, but we should try to change it from the inside using our growing influence. Germany is in a lot of trouble, and are already in relative decline compared to us, I am not that worried about Germany.

>>53383190
Using a single stat (GDP growth) is something I can't get on board with. We have to agree to disagree here. I can't debate with you when I fundamentally disagree with your premise.

>I expect UKIP to lean more conservative over time.
Why? They're much more of a threat to post-industrial Labour seats. The old "patriotic working class" as some call them, who Labour has completely abandoned. UKIP are the party of the anti-globalists, and Conservative voters tend to benefit from globalisation. You lack an understanding of basic British politics.

>>53382624
I hate img man with passion.

Sweden stronk is my only opinion.

>>53383694
You're literally as strong as Belgium lololol.

>>53377416
No way in fucking fuck that China will be that big by 2020 as it is not unlikely they will enter recession soon.

>>53382175
Listen here boyo I'm going to educate you on Sweden's "socialist policies".

We are socialist when it comes to private people and taxing them. But not when it comes to corporations. Actually our corporate taxes are pretty low at 22 %, much lower than American 35 %. Also our tax on capital investments are quite low with the flip that the more you make in capital investment the less tax you pay percentage wise.

This is a result of our economy being geared for export and trade. Tax the shit out of everyone except the ones making the money so that there remains someone to tax.

This explains how a so called socialist country can have such a disproportionate amount of billionaires and huge corporations.

>>53383792
t. Expert Professional Economist

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>>53383515
i know

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Holy shit, Poortugal is really a thing

>>53383742
Belgium is made up of half seajews so not too shabby 2bh.

>>53384288
Kinda explains why you didn't run out of other people's money yet.

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>>53383106
The wealthy and rural south has also been prime Lib Dem territory, not just UKIP and Tory. Obviously the Lib Dems got decimated in the last election, but with Labour intent on destroying itself, I would not be surprised if the Lib Dems made a comeback.

There isn't REALLY much difference between Labour moderates and the Lib Dems. If Corbyn manages to push the moderates out, we could even have a new Liberal party on the cards. Things are changing in British politics that is for sure.

I have always believed that the fundamental dynamic of British politics is between Conservatism and Liberalism, and we know Labour has only won elections when its been centrist and/or liberal. The Tories have adopted most aspects of social liberalism (their adaptability is the reason they're the world's most successful political party), but they're fairly weak on civil liberties.

I can see a "Back to the Future" where we revert to Conservatives and Liberals as the main parties of Britain. Labour won't survive the collapse of the trade union movement and public sector, at least not in its current form

>>53384348
Everything points to it.

Have you noticed how base metal prices have dropped through the floor recently? It's because China doesn't require as much anymore, which means that their economy is slowing down as Chinese economy is still primarily manufacturing-based.

Also their stock market bubble seems to be about to burst completely but that's probably just healthy.

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>>53377212

Top kek, I live in one of the shittiest states in the U.S. and we have a GDP higher than half of these countries. Our biggest exports are nigs and peanuts and we are outdoing you guys.

>>53384610
It's magnificent really. The problem is of course that certain people from certain places won't function to well in our corporate system and that will threaten it all.

I want the old "socialists" back because they weren't socialists at all they were corporate fascists and kept all commies and assorted scum at arm's length.

>>53377212
>Russia
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>>53383106
>The only people labour is holding onto is the pretentious middle class

BTW, you are absolutely right about this. Although you have to include some immigrant communities too, who tend to vote Labour by a wide margin

The main exception is Indians who are more natural Tory voters

>>53384964
>Indians vote Tory

Any particular reason?

>>53385316
Yes, they tend to be more affluent and many of them are small-business owners. Both groups tend to be Tory voters. Remember to make the distinction between Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. Pakistanis lean heavily to Labour, I think Bangladeshis do too, but I'm not sure.

I remember talking to my local convenience store owner, who is Indian, around the time of the last London mayoral elections. He was complaining about "the Reds". Note the language, not even "Labour" but "the Reds"

>>53385316
They're an entrepreneurial race

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>>53385316
>>53385572
I forgot to say that although Indians are natural Tory voters, they haven't benefited until quite recently. Tories had poisonous relations with Indians for a long time post WW2 (it's to do with how Conservative governments treated India as the Empire was breaking up)

But now things are changing. Cameron has been very clever in turning this around. The most explicit thing was Cameron introducing Modi at Wembley Stadium for the Indian PM to address the diaspora here. This was historic, it's hard to overstate the symbolism

>>53385316
Sikhs and Hindus are bros

>ukraine
What went wrong?

>>53386441
Russia fucked their shit up

>>53383405
I don't see what's so bad about lots of Chinese students coming here. They subsidise domestic students by paying higher fees.

>>53377212
really fucking wonder where this money goes, our mod is small as fuck, elderly people are dying off because there's not enough care and god knows what else

>>53388991
Housing bubble. And of course, corporations and their shareholders.

Old people don't own stocks as a rule.

>>53388991
It's just the value of what your country produces, not the amount of money it has

>>53377416
>the city of France

>>53382090
Might have something to do with being an island and being the favourite investment target for americans

>>53377416
>France getting beaten by pooinloo

oh my days what a lark

>>53377959
>Land of the free

If it's that good why are you all fleeing it to here then.

>>53378189
NHS stronk

private army soon

>>53378426
>>53380367
Brits buy cheap holiday homes in your countries.

>>53377212
>227
Wasn't it like 190 last year?

IRELAND FUCKING STRONG.

>Almost overtake Finland with a million less people
>already overtake Portugal and Greece with half the population

>>53380002
finland: 5.430 million
ireland 5.6 million

?

>>53394149
*4.6 million

>belaruse

how are they so poor

>>53378391
Poland also didn't bail out your banks because your Government cried at us.

>>53382310
>labour leaders of those areas shunned
>left wing can't deny it
>all offenders were convicted
>extreme resentment and distrust between the muslim and white communities in those areas now

We had to sacrifice the northerners for the better of the the country

>>53380002
>And you have almost 1 million citizens more
A million citizens less, you mean.

>>53394149
4.6, lad.

>>53385316
They hate muslims

>>53393852
Don't laugh they'll overtake us soon too

>>53377959
>living the yellow fever dream

>>53377212
Is the UK figure still valid, now that the pound has plummeted?

Christ, did not realise Russia was so economically puny.

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Germany has considerably more people than Britain yet isn't far ahead.

Soon.

>>53377819
>we

You mean all the immigrants you import?

>>53397198
It will be smaller now the pound is weaker. I expect the pound to get weaker, and UK growth to slow, before the EU referendum. Afterwards if we vote to remain, expect the pound to get stronger again

>>53378223
Literally never met a Spaniard. How many come here? And why?

>>53395769
There are literally twenty times as many of them as us.

>>53397743
Exactly.

>>53377212
How come China's so "small"? I remember experts saying as late as 2013 that China will overtake the US as the world biggest economic power by 2015.

>>53397471
There's loads here in London m8, from my experience they're either Students or bartenders and café workers. Mostly nice though.

>>53378284
>SIX THOUSAND dirty br*tons in my country
JUST

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>>53398029
probably they meant "China will overtake the US in GDP (PPP)"

which it did, first time since early 19th century the US is not the largest economy based on purchasing power parity

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>>53398345
>Estimated 1 million Poles in the U.K
Stealth tanks strong

>>53398408
That explains a lot, thanks.
Daily reminder that GDP PPP is meme shit though, it's only relatable (if at all) in term of GDP per capita.

>>53398029

Their economy is important enough that any bad news triggers markets all over the world to shit themselves

>>53398479
Yeah everything in the US and EU is down after the turmoil on Chinese markets.

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>UK strong

>>53399830
UK strong

>>53398233
Same in Bristol - either students or waiters/waitresses. Pleasant people but dumb as posts.

>>53377212
>still not european

>>53377416
I miss when japan was #2

>>53384797
Fucking Georgian

>>53405210
The average spaniatd is dumb as a rock