Not very high, to be honest. Yeah, there are Muslims out there that are alright and I've even been friends with a few. But the terrorists and their western enablers hide behind this fact everytime something bad happens surrounding Islam. Additionally, the moderates that live in the communities, visit the same mosques and attend the same services as extremists never inform authorities about what's going on. Frankly I don't believe that they all have no idea that it's going on in their own communities, right under their noses. So I view moderates as part of the problem, also. If moderates started actually helping intelligence and law enforcement agencies to crack down on terrorism and sedition then I'd have a very different opinion of them. But they don't, so fuck them, too.
>>53349316 >what if It's back at that time of medieval age, it's pretty much worse than Islam today. Okay first of all that's a pretty horrible comparison because you're comparing a culture that died out centuries ago to something that exists in today's world. >>53349460 I don't know if Soichiro is going to do it, but most people like to bring up the Crusades as if that completely justifies their criticism of Christianity. Which is pretty shitty when you consider that Islamic navies and pirates raided and Islamic armies fought in Europe for centuries before the first crusade was even called by Urban II. They act like European Christians just got it in their head one day to attack the Levant because it was the cool thing to do and they'd get rich, when if anything the reality is much more deeply rooted in geopolitics of the time.
If it ever got to total war of Sunni Muslims vs Western Culture, the war would take 1 (one) year to completely crush all forces that don't run and hide. Then come the decades of hunting for random terrorist groups blowing stuff up in their own countries and Sweden, because they'd take em all as refugees.
Also, Pakistan and everything east of India would stay out of it.
>>53350673 Actually, would Albanians and Turks act against the US, I think there's not much besides Saudi-Arabia to take seriously in Sunni vs West.
Benefits of tech, air force superiority and already having troops stationed all over your strongest enemies' lands are huge when the other side has to take fishing boats to cross seas to even get to you.
Only Russia would have a messy time. They'd definitely get dragged in and gun down millions to push against a massive zerg rush by land.
>>53351156 How? I just said that the ones who believe that Islam calls for aggression-type violence need to cool it down. The normal ones that believe it is only for the defense that fighting is permitted are fine with me.
Of course, there are other issues in the Muslim community as well, and my post applies to those issues to (just replace "aggressive violent interpretations" with the applicable thing")
>>53351696 Oh, well excuse me for being dumb and not catching it. I just wanted to make sure my intentions were understood. I think Islam is fine, but there are many followers that are misguided in my opinion.
>>53348481 Interesting religion. Many of its fundamental beliefs created the climate for a massive wave of scientific discovery during Europe's medieval period. However, Islam, like all other religions, are now obsolete and outdated. It's struggle to remain relevant has partially caused its current wave of extremism (excluding geopolitics and western "intervention").
As for Muslims themselves, it's hard to assign any defining characteristics to a group of over 1.5 billion people spread across the world. The Muslims I've met while living in Central Asia were all incredibly hospitable to me, though.
I also personally like muslim women and the idea of hijab, but that's pretty much just a fetish that's come out of my attraction to submissive women.
>>53348481 They're hateful people at their core because they're explicitly taught from birth that their belief is the best and only one. Even people who appear nice are angry at their core. Try talking to a Sunni about the Shias or vice versa, you'll get a very ambiguous response that boils down to "I hate them because we disagree"
>>53353014 He must have some pretty crazy stories to tell. Would love to meet the guy.
What's his take on Islam, anyway? From what I understand about Turkmenistan, it's pretty much Diet North Korea over there. I'm pretty sure the Koran is less important to them than the "Ruhnama" (the special holy book written by their grorious reader).
>>53353179 He's Sunni, can't remember what branch, but he's really dedicated to it. Never heard him mention the Ruhnama, but he listens to the Koran at work (that's how I know him). I think he's trying to convert me tbhonest
>>53353274 That's weird. Kids are apparently required to memorize large sections of the Ruhnama in school, and anything from getting a job to getting a driver's license requires that you recite verses from it on cue. Maybe he escaped before their propaganda agency really went balls-to-the-wall with it.
>I think he's trying to convert me tbhonest Wouldn't doubt it. The Afghan girls I was with liked to lay the Islam sauce on thick whenever we had long conversations.
>>53352298 Not him, but it's not a meme. There was a pressure towards astronomy-related inventions for determining the Qibla and knowing the right time for prayers at the very least for example. Other sciences tangentially becoming a subject of study (perhaps even to satisfy other Muslim concerns) is not surprising.
>>53348481 I don't think Islam as a faith is problem per se, it's people coming from Islamic countries. I mean, you don't see Bosnian Muslims chimping out like Arabs do. Maybe it's a problem with Arabs as well.
>>53352967 >I obviously can't deny what those people have told you, but my experiences with muslims have all shown that they understand the problem has nothing to do with religion and is entirely political. Which arguably makes it even more retarded. As I understand it, the basis of the Shia V Sunni dispute is over who should be the Caliph. If a Caliph was instated, then current leaders in Islamic countries would be forfeiting their rule. Unless I've missed some important detail, which is entirely possible, it just doesn't make sense to me.
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