>>53338675 even worse they use g-36 which has quality control issues and dosnt function well in climates outside of europe. german soldiers would probably love a FAL it closer to the g-3 than the g-36.
>>53339433 >On 5 June 2001, Yehuda Shoham, a 5-month-old baby, was killed when a rock hurled by stone-throwing Palestinians crashed through the window of the car he was riding in, crushing his skull.
Stick and stones may break your bones but if it's travelling fast enough it'll kill you :DDD
>>53339599 because it dosnt work well and troops hate it, that and since germanys great cucking half your planes dont fly, your apcs and ifvs are broken or too old, not enough money for guns and your navy is basically a glorified coast guard with subs.
>>53339225 >even worse they use g-36 which has quality control issues and dosnt function well in climates outside of europe. Thats a meme. They want to give money to some companies (-> their friends) and want to look like they fix things so they loaded the G36 with five times the amount of ammunition a German soldier carries around and put the whole thing in constant auto fire the whole time. After the barrel is basically hot enough to melt they find out that the accuracy decreases. How surprising.
Still shitty 5,56 though. .308 all the way. Or 8X57 when AfD takes power and leaves NATO.
>>53338224 Its enough to defend the country itself from the usual dangers. Its not able to operate outside of the country but thats a good thing as nobody expects us to help anywhere that way. The army is not really efficient with money though and wastes a lot on faulty products. Also we should concentrate more on cheaper but defensively effective systems, like AA for example, instead of offensive systems like expensive transport planes or jets. The only objective of the German army should be the protection of the German borders and the money saved could be spent elsewhere.
And I would like a Swiss like militia system. The military forces would be restricted to a minimum in peace time, a few thousand guys to operate the heavy stuff and maintain and other stuff you need specialists for, and let all the people (men and women) serve in some reserve that gets deployed when Germany is attacked.
>>53339675 The purpose is to have the recoil forces to travel, along with the mass of the weapon's moving parts, in a direct line to the shoulder of the shooter, so to reduce muzzle climb. As a result, you have to make the sights higher up.
Here's a shitty picture I made trying to illustrate what I'm saying.
>>53340609 We did a pretty shit job over the past decade in Afghanistan and Iraq, sand monkies on PCP with WW2 weaponry and the fucking combined might of several Western powers ended up not doing much.
>>53341349 >all the Generals of ISIS are ex baathist. ya and they don't show a major threat to either isreal or usa
isis can conquer as much territory as they want in the ME but its so far away that they are no threat to our safety (europe is close so their a threat to you but you guys should defend your selves and not rely on usa for everything)
they are fighting assad and hezbollah so why should we care. we bomb them enough so that they don't completely fuck the whole place up or invade turkey but still kill other sand niggers that are our enemies
>>53341643 >isis can conquer as much territory as they want in the ME but its so far away that they are no threat to our safety Saudi Arabia is just as far away from you, that didn't stop them from levelling your buildings and killing 3000 fucking people, did it?
>>53339793 >inivte millions of young adult male islamist shitskins into your country >let them gather in groups of 1000 in public places and rape literally hundreds of your young women >think you can lecture other countries on how to deal with muslims after that kill yourself, no, literally, commit suicide
>>53341503 The country, when not at war, is significantly safer than their neighbors on average. Pretty much the only times you hear about travel warnings is when there's a campaign, which never lasts more than a month or so.
Compare that to travel warnings elsewhere in the area, which are almost perennially in effect, even without a war.
>>53341749 >Saudi Arabia the reason we don't invade them is because of oil money and petro dollar
im scared if trump wins, he keeps saying that we should just invade countries and take all their oil like were fucking vikings or some shit. he'll fucking collapse the oil market if all of saudi's oil reserves go for sale.
>>53341972 I live in Israel... We don't have a bunker in every house... It really depends on how new/old the building is. I live in the tel aviv area, we usually have a bombshelter per couple of buildings and its separated from the house itself. I still don't see why having bombshelters in a country which is a surrounded by enemies is a bad thing...
>>53342169 saudi oil is traded in us dollars though they are keeping our petro dollar alive they can also flood the market and make oil dirt cheap. they recently release more oil to stop fracking in the us. since oil is too cheap to keep up the high production cost of fracking
Obviously we're not america tier but literally nobody in the world is even comparable (insert anally annihilated ruskies hear thinking that without nukes it would be anything more than a question of how long it would take the US to send them back to the stone age)
>>53342288 which is why gas dropped so low but that cant continue, they cant absorb the loss forever because they dumped there reserves they didit boost production fracking will come back when prices go up.
>>53342169 >we dont need saudi oil we have our own That's not how economies work bud. By maintaining good relations over a country with such massive proven reserves, we allow for tremendous leverage over world oil flows. The Saudis may make portions of their oil an IPO; guess who's going to be investing? Hint: not the Russians >>53342333 >Calls me a kike >Gets mad when he gets called an irrelevant potatonigger Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen Paddy
Our military is made of competent and experienced soldiers. It is great at its missions (Mainly : Shooting terrorists and keeping order in cities).
However, it is incredibly underfunded. I remember seeing a documentary in the desert of the Chad where the soldiers had a flat tire, so they had to replace their APC's wheel with another flat tire repaired with duct tape :^)
>>53343188 Checked. Also don't you run the risk of just repeating whatever your read says, regardless of if it's just pro-military propaganda or not? I mean look at how many people think that their country's military just happens to be the best at something.
>>53343686 Well sure, the french army is adaptable and we have many reports about how missions that initially went wrong could still be completed because the french just dealt with their problems.
But still : The army is so poor that it can't do anything alone. In Afghanistan, the french sniper teams were always deployed with american helicopters. And right now, the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle is in repair so our planes have to be launched from american warships.
>>53342346 I was in with a chubby ginger named Charles "Chuklefuck" Kokel. He was an outright obese machine technichian. He failed 2 seperate PTs (they are 6 to 8 mos apart for sailors at least) but was still in for over 2 years while he supposedly got into shape before they finally processed him out, and that was active duty under 30. God knows how long reserves over 30 can stay in.
Essentially, it's comprised of dubiously self-aware teenagers who were not good enough at any particular discipline to enter a real career tract after high school. Of course, this does not include officers and academy graduates; that being said, no one from my class with any real potential chose to become a grunt. The ones I know of who entered the army before college ranged from unremarkable to downright scum.
>Bankrupt yet they refuse to make reformations or get rid of compulsory military service >some barracks host refugees >Eurofighter Jets aren't worth shit >Last year they sold lot's of tanks and choppers and shit
I bet Slovenia could easily annex us if they wanted to
>>53342162 You know that the US wasn't an ally of Israel during the Liberty attack, right? And you do know that Liberty was spying on Israel during a war with direct existential threat to Israel, right?
>>53348723 >be me in basic >sergeant walks in after lights out to check that we're all horizontal >soldier why are you on the floor >sergeant i didn't hear you i have earplugs in >i asked why are you on the floor >because the bed sinks harder than the titanic and i've slept like an upside down banana for the past week sergeant >okay we'll get the bed sorted >no need sergeant they already "fixed" the bed the floor is alot more comfy >no soldier in my platoon will sleep on the floor >sergeant it's really not an issue i'm more comfortable on the floor >we'll discuss it with your commander tomorrow >sergeant is it against regulation to sleep on the floor? >specific questions to your commander i should note that by now every single guy in the room is trying their hardest to hold in the laughter because you're not alot to speak after lights out >sergeant can i get an exemption to sleep on the floor? >everyone shit themselves >we all go running with the sergeant in slippers
it sounds alot better in hebrew but damn was it a funny night
>>53350296 Is it in any way possible to just get a sheet of timber that's cut to the size of your bed frame and lay it under your matress? Or even just get some timber slats and lay them across your frame under the matress? Because either of those would probably greatly improve your bed.
>>53350802 >>Australia has regional power projection despite having no need for it Until somebody finally passes a law allowing them to open up on people smuggling boats coming through Indonesia. Then suddenly it will be entirely worth it.
>>53350580 >timber nigger where do you think i live anyways i couldm't even get plywood so i just sleep on the floor now guy in the bunk above me is always missing somewhere so i steal his mattress, double up the insulation and sleep like a baby i swear to god i'm the only one in the squad that actually manages to sleep well
>>53351083 >mfw stirring up memories of that jamomatic m16a1 from basic
it's even worse because the idiots here sawed off half the barrel to make it better for urban warfare but then found out they took too much off so you're basically fucked if you need to shoot anything past 100 meters
>>53351131 >nigger where do you think i live They don't have timber in Israel? Or do you just mean because you couldn't get it into your barracks? >i swear to god i'm the only one in the squad that actually manages to sleep well Actually sounds pretty shit for your mate desu. >>53351260 That's true.
>>53351131 >about 4 months in the army >doing field training in a farm >reading maps, moving around and doing backflips >everybody is tired of carrying 12kgs of rocks in ther bags plus a FN FAL the entire day >day is almost over, time to go back to base, shower and get some sleep >-Ok kids, the thing goes like this. This is your food supply for the next 3 days. Use wisely. We will come back every day at 1200 hours to see how are you guys doing it and drop some more supplies as they are needed >WTF.webm >He gets the fuck out and we stay there staring at each other like idiots >-Duuuuude, I think we will have to stay here the entire night >-No shit Sherlock. >south brazil >weather is terrible >starts to rain a very thin spray but soon stops >we make some fire, start joking around, eating our supply and making fart and burp contests ( I won the burp one by a mile) >-Someone has to start as the sentinel >We quickly decide the rotation of soldiers for the night >day comes in >1200 hours >time to get dem good supplies >we are low on food already >Sarge appears >handle us an unfrozen chicken and some water >-This is to replish your water supplies. As for the chicken, you guys will have to figure out how to cook it with what you have. >Gets the fuck out again. >None of us cooked nothing more than noodles before >Try to cook the chicken >Burned outside, red inside >Ppl are already pissed. >Night comes again, now with rain that come and go by the hour >we protect the best we can and sleep spooning one another >no fire this time >day comes in >we are starving already >low on water too >1200 hours >1300 >1400 >1440 hours >Jeep appears >thank god, I thought they forgot about us >Sarge dont say shit >Just throw a sack of potatoes at us and some tablets. >-This is for you guys to purify the water. Remember how to use it. Also, we heard rumours that there are some Jaguars in here, so becareful, specially at night >Get the fuck out >We mad.
>>53351131 >>53352194 >at the time ( about 12 years ago) the field training also required the soldiers to carry live ammo. After doing the field, they go back to the shooting range to see if the ammo works. A non funciong ammo ( there is a % that I dont recall) it means that you didnt took good care of your munnition and ythus, failed the field training. >third night starts. >we ate those potatoes the way we could >those tablets didnt work very well either >everybody is cold, hungry, thirsty and dont talk with each other >starts the sentinel rotation >ppl are just tired of all this already >-And what about those jackals? >-Jackals my ass, they are jaguars, and they attack at night. At least is what he said >-Fuck this. Everybody, put load your rifles. Only the sentinel can chamber the round tho. >Ok. Time for some sleep. >Spray rain come sback again >Tired as fuck but not enough to be able to dream >"cling cling" >silence >dont bother, still trying to get some dreams >"cling cling" and the sound of branches being broken >Sentinel panicks >-HAULT! Identify yourself or I will open fire! >Silence >Eveybody is shitting their pants by now >"clink clink" and more sounds of branches >Pitch dark. Cant see shit >-IT'S YOUR LAST WARNING! IDENTIFY YOURSELF OF I WILL OPEN FIRE! >"cling cling" >Boom! >We heard the sound of something heavy failling about 10 meters (yeards) away >Panick the fuck out. Everybody chambers their rounds despise the fact that the Corporal didnt say to do it >Starts to apporach where the souds came from >Realize the sentinel shot cow >With 1 in a billion chances, he show her right in the fucking head >she didnt stand a chance. Probably was dead before even hit the ground >-Yay, we got some barbecue material here! >Everybody starts to laugh nervously >Night passes >nobody slept anymore. >awaiting for the 1200 to arrive so we can tell what happened >Sarge appears on his jeep some time later >We tell him what happened >show the cow >He send us back to base
>>53351131 >>53352194 >>53352769 Last part: >discovers latter on that the cow that we shot belong to the farmer that lend the space we where using to train for the army >the cow was a prize winning cow that got lots of prizes for milk production or whateaver >farmers gets fucking pissed, threatning to sue the army for its loss, and said that he dont allow any military training on his field anymore >sentinel that shot the cow got dismissed from the army >we all lost our weekends for a month >the army had to pay for all the damages that 1 tired sentinel, using and outidated rifle and a 0.50 cent bullet made with the pull of a trigger. >All field training cancelled for the entire year for that class.
And thats it. The worst part is that the sentinel wanted to stay in the army. He was a good kid.
In good part is that after all that rain, his ammo worked just fine, so he would probably pass the shooting exam latter on.
>>53338224 Our army is overpriced expensive bullshit that gets its ass handed to it by camel fuckers who make due with 0.000000001% of the cost. Quality of enlisted men has plummeted since conscription was abolished.
Wish we were more like Finland with a proper army to defend our country isntead of our goverment spent ALL THE TAX MONEY jacking off to expensive toys used to bomb some sand nigger with an AK or "hunting russian subs in the skärgård". Every weapons programe the last 30 years has been way more expensive and less capable than what was initially agreed on, money taken straight from the Tax payers. I fucking hate that bullshit JAS Gripen, especially since we are serious about joining NATO.
I don't hate the military per se and being so close to Russia and Germany, we sure as hell need one but the pure corruption in weapons procurement is fucking disgusting.
>>53353898 There is a new submarine being developed, A26. The defense ministery said that they under no circumstances will cost more than 1,6 billion kronor per unit. Calling it right now each sub will cost ATLEAST three times as much before it enters service.
>>53353984 Not really. You can't buy all the cool super mega expensive techno gadgets by having a proper standing army that will fight and die defending its country.
>>53354145 >Overall, a professional army is better than anon-proffesional one.
That depends on what you mean with better. It is better to have a small professional force if you want to send it to Afghanistan to act as toilet cleaners and ass wipers for Americans doing "peacekeeping operations". But for defending your nations borders from an conventional attack, it is better to have a huge fucking standing army.
>>53339225 >>53339599 >>53339785 >>53339916 >>53342571 >>53342571 Reeee civilians OUT of military discussions G36 is fine, ask any soldier using it on a regular basis. And "new bombers"? Wtf we dont even have bombers to begin with, we have multirole jets. And there are sure as hell no plans of replacing them in the near future
Saw them from distance so coudln't see it with details. But IVECO and the Army says that it has protection against landmines. They never show their wholes tests so only in actions well have sure of it.
>>53352194 A friend of mine was once hunting at 3am at night. Summer, not much light from the moon and barely enough to see whats in front of you from his place. Next to him two corn fields and some potato field with the harvested potatoes already stored on the side.
At 3:30 he hears some sounds in the potato field. He looks closer and sees some shadow on four legs crawling and munching on the potato pile. Its grunting and clearly enjoying the potatoes. Size is a bit small but ok. A young boar.
He raises his gun, puts his finger on the trigger and something just feels off. He looks again... a boar. He raises his gun again. And still something feels off. The boar is moving strangely.
He says fuck it, (better safe than sorry) turns on the flashlight and the boar screams: "PLEASE LET ME KEEP MY POTATOES SERGEANT! IM SO FUCKING HUNGRY!" A drunken US soldier was crawling back from the bar to his base and had one or two too much apparently and when he was exhausted he began eating the potatoes. A US jeep came later and took the then sleeping soldier with them.
>>53354701 >How long this nigga didnt eat to go for fucking potatoes in the middle of the night? Drunk people eat all kinds of stuff when theyre hungry. Maybe he was kicked out of the disco or bar before he could eat something. >that is kind of a shocker. Not at all. Most bars ban US soldiers from entering because they chimp out all the time.
>>53354667 What? We have 22 000 men in hemvärnet and the military can mobilize about 40 000. In the 80s when we politicians were serious about defending our country we could mobilize a million men.
The reason things are like this because of all the fucking money spent on technological wankery like>>53354149
Oh found out something great about the contract. It says nothing about armament. THAT IS RIGHT, SWEDEN PAYS 1.6 BILLIONS FOR A SUBMARINE WITHOUT WEAPONS. I've trolled yanks about the F-35 program but now I want to curl up and cry.
They have the habit of buying foreign equipment, painting it a new color and changing the name and claiming it as native Brazilian equipment. They will paint the Gripen black and claim it's a Brazilian 5th-gen stealth aircraft, just wait.
You fucked up BIG TIME by letting Ngô Đình Diệm be killed. The ARVN generals that took over was the same kind of incompetend steaming pile of shitbags like the Saudi royal family, that type excements of humanity that your government always insists on keeping as closest allies. Why ? After Diệm was gone, everybody knew that the Vietcong was the only political entity with enough competence to rule Vietnam, an ARVN regime would have been an utter disaster. Those guys couldn't even tie their shoelaces together.
>>53355686 >That cow was worth about 200.000 USD at the time. >>53355874 >200,000 USD or 200.00 USD? Need to know this distinction, too. Because the only thing I can think of in that story that's crazier than a cow worth 200 grand US is firing somebody over $200 worth of damages.
>>53356129 >200k. Pic related. How could it possiby be worth 200k USD? Does it fly or something? >>53356299 So far you're the only one that's gotten bet out of shape over him saying it. I doubt he's making that concession just for you.
>>53356326 >Is not a surprise in here. >Cows and Bulls of high grade are sold for million in here. I guess it doesn't matter what country you're talking about, I will never understand country bumpkins. Or farmers, anyway.
>>53355658 >You fucked up BIG TIME by letting Ngô Đình Diệm be killed
That idiot got himself killed. We gave his office a tip off of the attack beforehand and he refused to flee to safety.
He was a fucking tool anyway. Even his 'supporters' all agreed that he was a pawn of the US, which didn't really help our cause. No way to fight the neo-colonist propaganda ever since a phony election got him elected.
Ferocious fighters hampered by leftist lawmakers and old equipment.
We have to make do with what we have. Hell, PMC even revived some LVT5s and howitzers that were considered beyond economical repair at a shoestring budget. Salvaged a lot of cannons from decommed jets too and repurposed them as AA platforms.
My uncle told me that their provincial armory still has unsused M1 carbines and Thompsons.
>>53357476 Russia is doing a good job with what they have though.
Full modernization on all mechanized ground forces with Armata. New class of SSBN and SSN nuclear submarines. New S-400 and S-500 air and ballistic missile defenses. New road-mobile strategic ICBMs with global range.
Apart from that the Navy is a skeleton and Air Force is stuck in the 80s. But what they have is more than enough and the bread and butter of any modern army.
>>53350802 >Canada needs it but doesn't have it Why? Who is invading us? Ideally our military would just be a small battalion of special forces for counter-terrorism, everything else is a huge waste of money.
The only reason we don't do that is because NATO (the US) would get pissed off.
>>53358461 >We have the largest resorces on the planet on land and sea
No you don't. Russia does followed by Canada then USA then Australia.
After fossil fuels have their run, it will be Uranium, Thorium, and Rare metals that will become the world's most precious raw materials.
>Also SSBN program on process.
India's first SSBN will be commissioned in early 2016, followed by another one in 2017. When is Brazil getting one? We heard similar stories about your space program, and look at how that turned out, pic related.
>>53359141 http://www.focus-asia.com/socioeconomy/photonews/413027/ http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/bbs/view.html?b_bbs_id=10040&num=80738&pn=1&compn=4#rpl_s S.Korea government is planning to introduce 3000t SSN or SSBN
>>53359014 I don't understand why the US is not keen on giving us highly enriched nuke fuel for INS Vishal but is offering EMALS for it. how do you suppose we'll power it? the french low yield submarine reactor in CDG is not working out so well why force us to go the same route?
>>53359460 >SSBNs can threaten even America. Your land-based ICBMs don't have the range, and even if they did wouldn't beat out BMD. I am talking about the Aircraft Carrier's fuel not the Arihant program or K series SLBMs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Vishal
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