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Why do people downplay Americas role in WW2. They say things like "America did not defeat the Nazis" but how the fuck did we not?
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>>53335626
Don't bother.
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They are stupid desu
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>>53335626
Because most Europeans admittedly dislike Americans and the US and patronize us at every given opportunity, all the while enjoying most of what we do for them, like liberating their shitty tourist cities.
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Hitler would have peaced out after a separate humiliation from Stalin.
Russian winter completely fucked his shit up on the eastern front.
Luckily, you guys didn't let Stalin do his thing and half of Germany didn't turn into Soviet clay.
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>>53335626
>we
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Probably because Americans exaggerate the American role just as often. Throughout my entire high school education I don't think I'd spent more than a few days covering information about the Eastern front. History class every year was literally just MUH D-DAY MUH HOLOCAUST, rinse, and repeat. Every year.
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Because Brits and Soviets defeated the nazis
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>>53335626
America admittedly played a huge role in WW2 both with helping the UK and the Soviet Union with lend lease, their strategic bombing campaign and the western front, but people also hate it when Americans act like they won WW2 on their own since the Russians played an even bigger role by tying up most of the Wermacht on the eastern front and a hell of a lot more Russians died than Americans, so it pisses them off.
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>>53335919
This. I used to drive my teachers in high school crazy when they would just gloss over various fronts and Allies.
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>Why do people downplay Americas role in WW2

This is why

inb4 ameribabby butthurt
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>>53335919
We don't even study WW2 in public school history classes here, curriculum leaders assume students are going to be familiar with how that one went down.
>History class every year was literally just MUH D-DAY MUH HOLOCAUST
Literally?
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running away from German kids and oldmen - victory
air support against 2 Germans with machine gun
lost all tank batallion against one Tiger
and so on
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>>53335956
>when Americans act like they won WW2 on their own
You wouldn't believe just how many heated discussions i've seen over that.
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>>53336111
Well mg42 is scary as hell to fight against
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>>53336005
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
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>>53335626
Hollywood and the media industry churn out endless, obnoxious Americentric docs and fiction about WW2 so you can expect backlash

Turning what is a historical period into a competition
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>>53336005
Soviets would'nt have defeated the Germans if:
A. Americans didn't intervene to give Germany a two front war
B. The mass American aid sent to the Soviets in the form of trucks, shoes and equipment.(1/3rd of Soviet-employed tanks were built by the US in 1945)
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>>53335626
They're retards who spout RT memes because of their butthurt at America's relevance, or because they think America is the great Satan and they are incapable of comparing it to worse powers like Russia and China.
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>>53336241

Yes I'm sure they would not have won the battle of stalingrad without those shoes
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>>53336005
>What is North Africa, Italy, France, Lend-Lease, strategic bombing of Germany?
>muh 20 gorillion ded soviets!!!!
learn to fight better.
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>>53336297
no need to be so salty m8

are you seriously claiming that the US played a minor role in the european theatre?
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>>53336297
Take a look at the distance from the Barbarossa start line to Stalingrad.
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>>53336315
Hello mr burger, did you go to the netherlands for dude weed lmao?
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>>53335769
>>53335800
>>53335823
>>53335919
>>53335956
>>53336252
all of this
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>>53336297
You try slugging it out in a bomb shattered hellscape with no shoes on.

Go ahead, try.
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>>53336297
>butthurt
Your point?
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>>53336297
>battle of stalingrad without those shoes
And tanks, artillery, ammo, planes, and yes shoes, because those are important if you're fighting in the Russian winter.
>>53336351
hello mr cyka blad, how's the rape tour in Finland going?
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Let's not forget that we fought Japan practically on our own, no one gives us credit for that. Russia only had to fight a war against one enemy, on one front, all on land
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>>53335626
>we

no you didn't do shit pedro. you are a second generation mexicunt that feels proud of something people from the same country you are living right now did 70 years ago
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>>53336241
A: Russians were and would have marched forward with or without the second front on the west
B: sure, the supplies from America helped a lot. For example the vehicles allowed Russians to advance greatly faster
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>>53336351
Fuck off Finland your country didn't even fight in world war two.

Neutral fags
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The germans were losing since 1942, you retard
They lost huge amounts of territory in 1943 and early 1944
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>>53335626
>we

at what front did you fight m8?
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>>53336476
GTFO!!!!!!!!!!
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>>53336447
Yeah because no one else then people living on the Pacific really care about the Pacific that much.
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>>53336475
>projecting
Do you think the US bombing campaign had null effects on Germany's ability to do damn near anything?
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>>53336511
WE WAS LIBERATORZ
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>>53336447
>Let's not forget that we fought Japan practically on our own

wew lad
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>let the russians and brits do all the work
>america claps in
>LE EBIN D-DAY!!!!
>"We are the only HEROS of the war!!"

lmao
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>>53336476
Die motherfucker!
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>>53336433
I'm still an amateur, I can't rape the whole planet like you people

>>53336355
t. proud soldier of $$$-army

>>53336476
ok
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>>53336548
You mean those bombs that greatly missed their targets? The bombs that just terrorized civilians and did not hit military targets? Again, sure it helped, but not so that the war wouldn't have been won without it.
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>>53336572
>arguing over who beat his nation the hardest
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>>53336608
You smaht.
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>>53336570
You'll like this one better...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Philippine_Sea
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>>53336611
>your bombings killed lots of workers and civilians that doesn't effect anything
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>>53336542
>Yeah because no one else then people living on the Pacific really care about the Pacific that much.

The Nips fought just as many people as the Krauts did. Saying the Pacific is irrelevant is retarded.
>>53336570
wew lad
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>>53336561
YOU WUZ DEMOCRATORS
WE WUZ LIBERATORS
Dont mix things.
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>>53336611
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>>53335626
>>53336615
>millions of people died
>millions more were injured mentally and physically
>Europe was set back and impoverished to the point that fucking Argentina was among top five economies in the world
>but let's not be so specific about who pushed the hardest, guys, it's not like it's a major historical event or anything....pointless dispute, really...
This is you right now. Which really solidifies how removed American were and are from it, that they trivialize such a thing
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>>53336717
>occupied small foamy '''''nations''''' trying to talk smack in a WW2 thread.

top kek
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>>53336717
I'm not saying that it would be overall irrelevant, because it of course isn't. But for person living in Europe the war here is more important, if you will, than for someone living outside of Europe. The same goes with the Pacific
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>>53336748

Looks like they bombed that field of cabbages back to the stone age, too bad they missed the airfield
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>>53336611
>You mean those bombs that greatly missed their targets?
Nice meme
>The bombs that just terrorized civilians and did not hit military targets?
Because the Soviets totally weren´t into terrorizing civilians at all. Do you honestly think lowered civilians morale is irrelevant?
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>>53336756
>Muh heritage
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>>53336819
Wow, you are the most butthurt Netherland person I've ever seen. Kudos
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>>53336776
Despite large British contribution to the war effort back then, campaigns like Malaya and Singapore, especially Malaya, are a fucking disaster of humongous proportions
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>>53336700
if you don't kill so many workers that there literally isn't anyone left then it doesn't.

But sure, because of the bombings there weren't that many factories left so Krauts ran low on the equipment from time to time and more so at the end. But still, the would have been won nevertheless. What does this have to do with the price of rice in China, as the thread is about Americans saying that the war was won mainly by them, and it can be demonstrated that it wasn't?
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>>53336815
Messerschmitt plant at Marienburg IIRC
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>>53336819
B-but Germans say the most terrorizing came from USA-UK compared to their military numbers, not from soviets.
I think you should listen to Germans, not to Soviets or USA and UK.
The vision of the loser is the most trusworthy.
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>>53336819
Protip: the morale wasn't greatly lowered
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>>53336802
But it wasn't "Europe war II". There was a lot more to the war than the European theatre, and implying that it's irrelevant just makes you look like an idiot.
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>>53336930
>thread is about Americans saying that the war was won mainly by them,
Your projecting quite a bit.
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>>53336849
>muh heritage
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>>53336756
I'd find it funny for anyone to argue who beat him worse but if you don't like people joking about WWII this may not be the place for you
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>>53336297
>Shoes

No like everything. The USSR lost almost all of their production capabilities when it took Ukraine and Belorussia. They had to move dozens of factories in Russia itself to the far East to stop them from falling into German hands. It took them almost a year to relocate and set up all of their factories in the East and during that time we were supplying a huge bulk of Soviet war supplies.

>>53336005
Half the reason the Soviets had such an easy go was because the Germans had to divert dozens of divisions from the Russian front to fight on the Western front. Not to mention that Americans made up almost 3/4 of the entire allied command.
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>>53336475
Yes, im so all these bombed factories and infrastructure had no effect effect on the army in the east, aswell as the sabotage of scientific institutions, aswell as the fuel shortages, aswell as 20% of the troops not being there, aswell as americans leasing tons of vehicles WITH tanks like the brits, aswell as the americans leasing weapons, food, ammo, medical, supply, and especially a shitton of money.
Oh despite being fully aware that its only a loan the soviets never paid back the money they got.

Russians wouldve marched to hell without that.
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>>53336926
>croatian contributions in WW2:
>404 not found
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>>53336570
so how did 313 die if there was no enemy there?

friendly fire?
incompetence?
weather?
illuminati?
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>>53336930
>>53336970

Look at this guy, he can bend time and space to know what would happen in a purely hypothetical historical scenario.
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>>53336953
>The vision of the loser is the most trusworthy.
t. Ivan from a loser nation
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>>53336993
So does Implying that winning against kinda toothless and suicidal Imperial Japan and having that overly Glorious stuff in Normandia means you won the war, doesn't it?
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>>53337098
Friendly fire, mines, exposure, accidents, etc.
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>>53337024
There are ways to assess these things and the Soviet Union was deemed the biggest contributor to the war effort. It doesn't mean other nations can't claim their part of the war effort and say they were a big part of it, especially the U.S and U.K

I don't even like commies
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>>53337098
>so how did 313 die if there was no enemy there?

SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
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>>53337121
So you have nothing to say? OK.
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>>53337094
wew lad we won WW2 twice
first in 1941
then again in 1945
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>>53336611
>missed their targets
Must be bait.

You have no clue how much the production was slowed on every end, the quality suffered, projects like the Maus-tank would have been operational for example if not for the bombing of the Rhine.
Several other projects never got finished, you had weapons and tanks literally miss parts, read up on the Panzer IV Ausführung J and tell me american bombings hit only civilians.
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>>53337137
>kinda toothless and suicidal Imperial Japan
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
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>>53336570
>frostbite
>Aleutians
kek
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>>53336993
Do you have dyslexia? I never said that it is irrelevant. Actually I specifically said that it ISN'T irrelevant.
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>>53337179
No I was joking and you're just a dumbass.
The sore loser whines and complains and can exeggerate just as much as the winner.
Not saying that is always the case, but your wise saying is nonsense.
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>>53337098
>be american
>invade empty island
>get shot
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>>53337137
I never made that claim. I'm just reacting to standard Buddhist Euro revisionism that downplays American contribution to the war.
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>>53336889
>we wuz gud boyz
>we dindu nuffin
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>>53337265
Whatever Muhammad.
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>>53336997
Let me quote OP for you

"They say things like "America did not defeat the Nazis" but how the fuck did we not?"
Now, the important part here is "but how the fuck did we not?" which implies that indeed it were the Americans who brought the victory for allies. That without Americans Russia would have lost. This is not the case
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>>53337094
Read about the Malayan campaign, Pajeet. The only contribution to WWII this country had was fueling German-Italian war industry with free timber, oil, workforce and the genocide of Serbs
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>>53337249
They've been literally making their pilot suicide bomb your ships since the begging
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America's only notable contribution to WWII was causing the Cold War and preventing Russia's influence spreading further into Europe
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>>53337061
it had impact, but Soviet union would have won the war even without it.
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>>53336953
>m-muh per capita

We arent talking about GDP here.
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>>53337137
>kinda toothless and suicidal Imperial Japan
>kinda toothless
>Russian education
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>>53337137
You got your asses served by that same "toothless Japan" some 30 years before. They expedited your country into becoming a Bolshevik paradise, Vanya
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>>53337282
Isn't it a reaction to Americans overblowing their contributiuon to the point where it's like they literally win it all by themself?
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>>53337391
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Americans helped a lot, but Russians won the war.
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>>53337289
No idea what you're trying to say. Sorry, bro
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>>53337385
No.
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>>53337330
>That without Americans Russia would have lost. This is not the case

Try a bit harder. Without the Western Allies the best outcome was a stalemate.
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>>53335823
>Because most Europeans admittedly dislike Americans
not true my Murica friend. In Boland United States are pretty popular
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>>53337330
>"America did not defeat the Nazis"
This statement implies that the US had no part in defeated Germany, which is offensive and dumb.
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>>53337464
You know commies killed more russians than we did right?
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>>53337421
>no arguments
>failed attempts at ad hominems
Wow, such a faggot
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>>53337463
Cosigning this.
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>>53337538
*Western Europeans
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>>53337578
Yea, I hate commies.
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>>53337538
Because they throw the occasional bone at you to make sure you comply when they want to use you as a nuclear mine incase of WW3?
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>>53337446
So? It was the end of Russian Empire and Nicolai II kinda sucked. What's your point, whiny?
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>>53337463
No, our film industry is just more popular than yours, so you get exposed to American war movies which, surprisingly, usually focusses on the American contribution to the war.

Besides, we made Enemy at the Gates, which doesn't have a single American character in it.
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>>53337582
And this is just the Naval ships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_sunk_by_the_Imperial_Japanese_Navy
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>>53337582
>claims Imperial japan was toothless
>expects anyone to take him seriously
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>>53337578
I dislike commies, but fuck off. It's bullshit.
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>>53337517
>>53337519

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II#Production_overview:_service.2C_power_and_type

Here look at the production overwies. You can see that the production by Britain and USSR (ignore the one by USA) is almost always equal and often greater than the Axis total. Now take, lets one third of the Americans production and add on top of that. Lets say that the the 2nd front was never opened, the Allies would still go over the Axis any day.

>>53337539
Sure
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America didnt win the war in europe.

Their supplies were invaluable to keep britain afloat, but they didnt win the war.


The pacific was all them though.
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So this is my take on it.
The Russians stopped the German advance, the British and Americans put pressure on the Germance which lowered the odds of a German change of tides against the soviets.

Also keep in mind that as the war went on the Soviets got better at fighting while the Germans were tiring.
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>>53337672
My point is that the same Japan was a serious power contender from 1895 to 1945. it definitely not toothless, despite Russia being a "de-clawed" bear dependent on Franco-German loans to even build basic infrastructure, with a giant illiterate population, shitty dispersed bureaucracy, industry way, way beyond its potential and a shitty emperor

That's my point
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>>53337802
By the summer of 1944 the Germans didn't have any chances of turning the war over, no matter if the 2nd front was opened of not
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>>53337802
>>53337841
Look at these two faggots who have almost identical flags. Talking about lazy designers, huh?
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imho America had as much of an impact on the European theater as the Soviets did on the Pacific theater.
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>>53337802
Soviets didn't get better at fighting but they started getting American food aid, trucks, manufacturing supplies, etc.
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>>53337675
What does your film industry have to do education? Are you saying you watch "Saving private Ryan" as a part of your education?

'coz I don't know 'bout how it's done in the western world, but here, in Regressive Russia, they tell about how our war movies are a bit overgloryfying everything. Also, about lend-lease and stuff, and British airforces. And that while our Great Patriotic War ended in May the WWII wasn't finished till September. Like, y'know, the basic stuff.
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>>53338013
>culture doesn't have impact on peoples' opinions
ok
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>>53337947
You are just a northern version of Croats. Dogs with sharpened teeth, always a front line of disease and war, prime cannon fodder of Empires. And both experts in cavalry and shock

Laugh with me, Pekka Bondelainen, for we are the same
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Highly suggest these three books to everyone here.

The German Way of War: From the Thirty Years' War to the Third Reich

The Death of the Wehrmacht: The Campaigns of 1942

The Wehrmacht Retreats: The Campaigns of 1943
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>>53337841
If it is not toothless, then why did it use suicide planes to fight American naval forces?
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>>53335626
Pic related.
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>>53338085
ty
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>>53338003
God damn pribaltički fašisti are here, spreading pure lies

Lies!
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>>53337712
Nah if you take the period from 1917-1950 then yea, Soviets surely killed more Russians.
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>>53338086
So there's the root of the problem. You have a problem with a single war tactic and base your opinion on it. Go ask Japs, I don't know why they drugged themselves and crashed into American targets, man
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>>53338086
The decision to use Kamikazes was in 1944.
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>>53338085
>The German Way of War: From the Thirty Years' War to the Third Reich
Great book, great post, great poster
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>>53337538
poland is the exception along with italy for some reason
http://www.pewglobal.org/database/indicator/1/survey/all/

most of europe has a disliking towards us. france is starting to like us more because of the paris attacks.
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>>53338013
I'm saying your interpreation that Americans only know about US efforts in the war. Since you clearly didn't attend school in America, I can only assume your exposure to American interpretation of the war is based on Hollywood.
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>>53335626
Because the majority of the figting and the largest battles against the nazis were fough on the eastern front. D-day is a tiny event compared to Stalingrad
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>>53338112
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Bomber_Offensive
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>>53338276
Croats like you as long as you send your scrap weapons here. We like to wave our dicks with anything, especially if it was made by western military-industrial complex
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>>53338013
>What does your film industry have to do education? Are you saying you watch "Saving private Ryan" as a part of your education?
Lolwut. Their film industry influences the mindes of the whole fucking world, including Russia.
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>his country was in the allies

Literally a cuckolded country
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>>53338295
It's based on Americans talking about the WWII on the Internet, lol. Take this thread for example
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>>53338365
>>sweden
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Operation Barbarossa>>>>>>>>>>>Invasion of Normandy
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>>53337955
that's retarded because we gave the soviets most of their equipment and fought on the western front

in the pacific the soviets invaded Manchuria meanwhile we invaded multiple islands and pretty much all of the rest of the fighting besides a little help from uk and australia
part of the reason why we used the bombs was because we wanted to finish the war before the soviets became too involved and carved out a bit of japan for themselves.
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>>53338112
There is also some table of French opinion on who played the greatest role in WW2. It was totally USSR favoured in 1945 and USA favoured in 2000s.
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>>53336700
>Workers who weren't on farms
>Workers who weren't in the arms industry
I'm sure those shoe shops bakeries were essential for the German war machine
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>>53338211
They didn't drug themself. It was a matter of honor for Japanese to keep on fighting even of they were obviously incapable of doing so
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>>53338263
Robert M. Citino is one of the greats of military history. I wish his books were easier to find.
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>>53337895
They were fighting Germans before that in Africa and Italy though.

>>53338003
>>53337895
In 1941 the US started giving the Soviet supplies though.
At any rate might not seem like much but lowered the chance of German victory.

We don't lie in an alt-universe so nobody can tell for sure of course.
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>>53338446
It's way more complex than that.
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>>53338311
The Luftwaffe was in ruin when this campaign started.
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>>53335626
>Why do people downplay Americas role in WW2
because while the whole world was fighting germany and etc you were taking information from Japan about Unit 731's experiments and when it got clear that fascist will lose the war you dropped the bomb on them and said that you were fighting too but you aint did shit.

this thread is bullshit
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>>53338343
No movie will erase facts from your mind if they were there from the beggining.
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>>53335626
>'murica
>winning wars

pick one and only one
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>>53338276
why is italy so high on that list?

it can't be because we have alot of italian immigrants because then ireland and mexico would be high
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>>53338449
Yes, but I don't saved it.
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can't diminish our contribution in: material supply, West Europe/North Africa/Pacific theaters, making sure communists didn't fuck up more land in the long run
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I think every country tries to over-exaggerate their country's involvement in the victory. It's much more complex than that.
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>>53338605
And what percentage of people of the world have these facts in mind?
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>>53336476
obvious b8

If anyone won WWII it was Finland
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>>53338572
Not quite.

It was still a very potent force, if not as powerful as it was in '40-41.
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>>53338714
How should I know? That's why I'm asking if they are watching private Ryan as a part of their education
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>>53338572
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_of_the_Reich
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A bit unrelated but if anyone has Netflix you should watch Naked Among Wolves.


It's a German made lolocaust movie set in Buchenwald, but it's pretty good. It's not just about muh poor jews. It focuses on what was going down in the camp (Both on the prisoner side and the SS side) during the weeks leading to the Americans showing up.
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>>53338792
I shit you not, we watched Saving Private Ryan for WWII and Rocky VI for the cold war. American education is fucking broken
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>>53338607
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish%E2%80%93American_War
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>>53338910
What school district did you go to? Rocky VI?!?!?
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>>53338702
pretty much this
when america makes entertainment about ww2 they do it usually through the perspective of americans and shows american contributions since its made for an american audience.

american entertainment industry is huge so we ship our entertainment that says USA USA USA all over the world.
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>>53338910
> Rocky VI
Y'know, I was half-shitposting 'bout Private Ryan, because why not if you still getting your facts from the Textbook, but why the hell would you watch Rocky? Seriously?
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>>53338797
According to this article, Germany had as much aircraft as the RAF alone, it does not say how much the USSR had.

Thank you for saving the day Captain America.

>>53338732
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain
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>>53335626
russia did more in europe no doubt, but yuros also try to ignore the pacific theater because lel who cares.
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>>53339067
pretty sure he meant rocky iv
it shows the rivalry between the us and the soviet union at the time
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>>53338685
>making sure communists didn't fuck up more land in the long run
Germans executed several of our officers on the Eastern Front because we neglected or abandoned German tactics. These were swiftly replaced by other high ranked Croats..by the start of 1944, high Croatian command saw Germany is going to implode and the situation against the Russians is in down spiral

We had around 15 divisions then, 140 to 150 thousand soldiers deployed. Several high command officers started talks with Brits and Americans, to swing our effort towards Allies, against Hungarians and getting into the fight in Italy/Austria

Brits denied this because they already entered into an agreement with Yugoslav Partisans.
Our officers wanted that the U.S recognizes us as an independent country, we would agree on territorial settlement with Serbs after the war, and be considered a part of the Allied front

The Croatian army already started getting ready to disarm Germans on our territory as soon as Americans would give the go, but the go never came, the coup was discovered and they were executed

Now I ponder daily on the opportunity of an independent Croatia from 1941, with instituted Marshall plan, along with other countries and a part of the democratic, European block
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>who cares about pacific wwwaaaaarrrr?

Anyone itt?
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>>53339074
I think you missed these figures.....
Casualties and losses
22,000 British-Canadian aircraft
79,281 British-Canadian airmen
18,000 American aircraft
79,265 American airmen
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>muh lend lease
every time

The nazis lost when they decided to attack the USSR. while American intervention on Africa (yes the number of germans in africa would barely be enough for a skirmish on the easter front but it still counts somwhat) /Western Europe and lend lease aid helped to spread nazis thin and relieve the USSR's factories it, wasn't enough to decide the outcome of the war. One could argue that the German incompetence and shitty army is half to blame for their demise (Fucking fighting a war in russia while STILL USING HORSES AND MULES FOR SUPPLIES)

Also the empire of Japan was a thing, but let's not forget the millions of Chinese and Japanese troops clashing in mainland china.

tl;dr the Allies won, not USA, not just Russia (this isn't an alternate universe so there's no point in arguing if they COULD have), not just Bongland etc...
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>>53337841
now you just look like a salty weaboo lmao
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>>53339244
Yeah, but... It's like watching M.A.S.H. to learn about the Korean War...
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>>53335626
Americans just made sure the war ended in 1945. The russian industrial potential and willingness to throw huge amounts of manpower into german machineguns pretty much sealed the deal post 1943.

It's pretty dubious if they would be ever defeated even if they didn't receive american aid, even if in hypothetical situation where the germans captured moscow the soviet union wouldn't be defeated.
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>>53339470
I don't even watch Chinese cartoons, Juan. It's history and facts
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>>53339435
>muh lend lease
>every time

desu though 163 billion (adjusted) would be massive for a barely industrialized country like russia; 437 is also nothing to laugh at for UK
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>>53338685
>making sure communists didn't fuck up more land in the long run
That is indeed a great thing. I can't stand Russians when they're 2000 kilometers away from me let alone if they run things around here.
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>>53339484
I watched apocalypto to learn about the aztecs in school

it's mostly an excuse for the teacher to not teach for 2 days and rearrange the learning schedule.
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>we
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>>53339805
Now I gotta go to Netherlands simply to annoy you for being such a fag
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>>53339905
Come here you stupid yokel and shut me up!
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>>53339700
Yeah, I'm sure those m3lees you provided the soviets with sure turned the tide.

> for a barely industrialized country like russia

what

>>53339136
the pacific theater was literally irrelevant for europeans, though
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>>53339630
with out lend lease the soviets would have run out of supplies
and without USA involvement there wouldn't be a 2 front war meaning hitler could focus his whole attention on russia
japan could also invade russia from the east meaning russia would be the one fighting a 2 front war

hypothetical scenarios are useless though since really anything can happen in war, 1 fuck up can be the shift.

you could say uk and us could have won the war without russia or that russia and uk could have could have won the war on their own. unless you can bend time or something its all just speculation.
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>>53339905
>wanting to border Russians
Vanya...
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>>53337375
>The empire will never die

Too bad its already dead.
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>>53340086
Loss of support from colonies was a big hit. The lack of of natural resources from the SW Pacific took some doing to overcome.
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>>53340119
>and without USA involvement there wouldn't be a 2 front war meaning hitler could focus his whole attention on russia

top fucking kek, the russian were already zerging through ukraine at that point

you shortened the war in europe, that's it
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>>53335626
>They say things like "America did not defeat the Nazis" but how the fuck did we not?
you didn't do it alone, is what most people want to point out
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>>53335626
Threads like these make me genuinely happy that Europe is slowly dying from Islamic invasions and that every sandnigger baby born from a white vagina is a small victory over you smug cunts
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>>53341787
and yet europe is still whiter than the good ol' USA, sanchez
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>>53341328
>top fucking kek, the russian were already zerging through ukraine at that point
ya and zerging is not a win all strategy
if you looked at hitler's gains at the beginning of the war you would say that he had victory in the bag.
all you can do is speculate, you can't be certain of anything since this is all hypothetical
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>>53336447
>Let's not forget that we fought Japan practically on our own

Australia was the first country to defeat Japan on land in WW2 and blew them the fuck out of Papua New Guinea.
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>Americans claim they won WWII basically on their own
>Anti-Americans claim it was all the Soviet Union
>no one recognises British contributions
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>>53335626
This just in: Poland won the Iraq war for us.

Thank you Poland!
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>>53343652
Battle Of Milne Bay.

And the New Guinea campaign went on until the end of the war. Possibly the single worst place in the world to have to fight a war.
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>>53344016
I mentioned the aerial efforts above and was waiting to work in the Battle Of The Atlantic.

That one is certainly the longest and arguably the most important campaign of the war.Tthat one was fought mainly by the RN and RAF.
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Hitler moved most of his forces to the eastern front where Russians made it fron Leningrad to Berlin in a year.
While the same time wasn't enough for you to get out of France
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>>53344603
>time wasn't enough for you to get out of France
Landed in France June. Captured Aachen in October.
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>>53344603
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_advance_from_Paris_to_the_Rhine
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>>53335626
No one downplays America's role, especially since their massive economy helped the Soviet Union and when they fought a gruesome, horrible war in the asian jungles. Without them, victory over the Reich would not have been possible.

It's just that other nations also contributed a lot. The USSR fought Nazi Germany far more than the USA did, sacrifying a lot more in this conflict. Also, other smaller nations want to claim their own share of glory (Greece's or Yugoslavia resistance, Finland, Canada... Even us French, with all our free french forces helping Britain in North Africa and in Italy).

So, nobody downplays the massive role of your forefather who helped the free world. It's just that others also want to claim their countryman's part :^)
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>>53335626
WWII was largely a German-Russian war. Your country has seen nothing.
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>>53345470
Keep thinking that.
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>>53345548
Keep thinking Omaha Beach was bloody or tough. Bet you never heard of the Rzhev meat grinder.
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>>53335626
USA was (obviously) important in the Pacific theater, but in Europe your biggest help was supplies. By the time D-day happened Germany was already losing.
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