what did your country do during the Vietnam War?
>losing the war against commie thirdworlder farmers
You can't make this shit up
And the Anzac legends didn't mention mud and blood and tears
And the stories that my father told me never seemed quite real
I caught some pieces in my back that I didn't even feel
God help me, I was only 19
> vietnam movie
> it aint me start playing
Yeah, it ain't you but the one you aid and send weapons.
We sided with the Americans and let them use our airbases while the CIA funneled millions into propping up the image of the royal institution just as it was on its way out because they (ironically) thought democracy would lead to communism just like they did with Iran, which if you'll remember led to propping up the shah who was then replaced with Islamic theocracy
tl:dr Americans deserve every chicken that comes back to roost.
>mfw Americans ask me why we have so much reverence for the monarchy
Why are you so anti-China senpai? When I went to Vietnam a few months ago, you guys were suprisingly anti-China and very surpisingly, quite pro-American. You loved Aussies as well. I mean, you have the same system of government as China, and may or may not have a similar culture. Could you explain please.
Chinese people are considered as the jew of the east, no one in Asia like China other than themselves, Pakistan and Cambodia(those two just like money from China). Vietnam was right next to China so we're the one knew them best and of course, also the one suffer most from their jew behavior.
Just look at Vietnam's history, never China leaves us alone. China alway wants to make Vietnam become a state of them, look at their fucking flag, fuck chinks.
"I'd rather eat the French dung for a hundred years than the Chinese dung for a thousand years."
"If the Chinese come again, they will never leave. The last time they came, they stayed a thousand years."
"Vietnam has faced many conquerors over the centuries. The Mongols, the French, the Japanese, the Americans. They come and go. Unfortunately for us, China will always be there."
-- Ho Chi Minh
China has this compulsive idea that any country that was once their territory/colony/protectorate or has any trace of Sinitic cultural influence is their territory/colony/protectorate forever.
Supplied NVA and Vietcong, taught NVA anti-air forces how to use AA missiles. Taught NVA pilots. Our civilians invented the myth about soviet pilots fighting over Vietnam (based on wrong interpretation of real soviet involvment in the dogfights over Korea).
That, right. China is our archenemy, never mistake a Vietnamese with a Chinese even tho it's quite hard to do it.
You already did it, no need to feels guilty for some thing you didn't do.
Yeah...that's why we decided to turn the tables on you about 10-12 years later. It was called payback for giving Hanoi all those SAMs and MiG-21s.
>mfw patriotic songs peformed in the form of Aussie rap
Inb4 you think that I think that I was only 19 was originally done by whichever shitty hip hop act covered it; I don't.
supply weapons, treat wounded gooks and according to a conspiracy theory, tested drugs on captives
thanks a lot, anon. but i think we didn't enough apologise to you and your people though. we are different with japanese. well, i really hope that south korea and vietnam will be friendly each other.
Believe me when I say the VW had a very significant effect on the US military and the State Department that's still felt today. It's been an informal thing in Washington that a repeat of the last helicopter out of Saigon can never be allowed to happen again.
My dad was very nearly conscripted into the war. When he was called up for the lottery, the two birth dates either side of his were called and needless to say that up until that point he was shitting bricks. Given how fucked up a lot of Vietnam vets ended up, I'm really glad he wasn't sent over there.
I read a book about the Vietnamese air force, pretty interesting read. Supposedly they were initially such bad students, that on navigation trainings over Hungary they'd get lost without contact and Russian instructors would have to contact numerous bases to find their lost apprentices
but it's amazing, that a force that started with no experience and two small prop planes (one without wings) evolved quite rapidly into a formidable force.
funfact: during the MiG-15/17 period, the VPAF lost pretty much as many planes to friendly AAA fire as to enemy fighters
All thank to the Russia, desu
Pic is the honored test-pilot of Russia, Sergey Bogdan with Vietnamese pilot at Vietnam Air Force training camp. He said:
>"When selecting pilots to train, between Vietnamese and Chinese, I choose the Vietnamese even when Chinese direct request me come to China to train them. I hate the Chinese because they always try to steal our technology so I refuse their invite right away.
There was a really fucked up australian vietnam vet who lived in Norway. I heard about him from some oldfag colleagues at work. He worked in the construction business here.
First of all he was a tunnel rat, which probably gave him all kinds of PTSD. But he had also dabbled in drugs. He was pretty calm when he was sober or only drinking beer, but totally crazy if he got liquor.
One time he was in a restaurant and saw some ladies eating by their own table. So he got down on the floor and crawled over on his stomach and took a bite out of a womans leg. People got out of the restaurant, the police came to take him and when they came he was sitting at their table eating their food with blood around his mouth.
Then he just shot himself eventually. What a madman.
That's the sort of stuff I'm talking about. I couldn't even fully picture what my family life and my relationship with my dad would have been like if he'd had to endure that kind of shit. I've seen a few documentaries where they talk to vets about how their family lives were ripped to pieces once they return from war and it made me really appreciate what I had.
>All thank to the Russia, desu
undoubtedly, but eventually, you developed aces of your own, I remember there was a core group of circa ten pilots who were trained as instructors to school new pilots and they were quite successful themselves.
>tfw you will never cuddle with Russia-senpai in space
Why even live
There were negotiations right after the end of WW2 for the independence of indochina. but it's the lack of consensus between ho chi minh and the french that turned it into a war. prolly because the french didn't want a commie vietnam.
Just got from ho chi minh city, the vietnesed are based as fuck. 10/10 would recomend going
Pic related, view from hotel
Beijing spent decades funding communist parties/insurgencies in Asia. Everywhere from the Philippines to Nepal to Burma to India, all with the aim of making those countries into client states.
Helping the FNL (Viet Cong)
There were protests in Stockholm and people lobbying for supplying them with Bofors artillery (same type US army used but had modified slightly)
Just different I suppose, the people are exceptionally friendly and it's far less westernised, especially compared to Thailand which I also visited.
I also visted the the country side and some battle fields around HCM which were quite nice
Vietnam hasn't been exposed to Western influence very long, only since economic reforms in the late 80s. English knowledge is not widespread, you'll find a lot more people who know Russian, especially if they're over 40.
>how fucked up a lot of Vietnam vets ended up
Its not surprising. I worked with one for a wile before he died. Was telling us about ripping the balls off gooks and throwing them out of choopers live because they didn't have room for their own guys who needed help. I don't know if it was bullshit or real.
It fucked up my grandpa desu. I've heard stories
Despite the infamous history of the Vietnam War, Vietnam today is one of the most pro-American countries in Southeast Asia, with 78% of Vietnamese people viewing the U.S. favorably in 2015.
Did....did we win?
well your friends do it well keeping you separated fighting against each other since decades
It is a not-too well guarded fact that the US government has never liked Vietnam vets and can't wait for them to all die off. They're seen as losers who lost a war and embarrassed the government and the military. However, they now comprise the biggest group of veterans in America since most of the WWII guys have passed on.
>Did....did we win?
In that sense yes. Also the remaining 22% unfavorable are probably old people who still have a chip on their shoulder (maybe shrapnel in their leg, missing eyeball, limb, etc).
My cousin was in the Gulf War and he said that probably most of the officers in the army at the time were not Vietnam vets. Some were, but most weren't. After 1973, the military really went out of their way to purge anyone associated with that war.
It's not because we don't have a draft army anymore. About 50,000 servicemen were killed or wounded in Vietnam 1965-72. The total figure for Iraq 2003-10 was about 3000 servicemen. Of course the training and medical care are leagues better now anyway.
>In June 2013, Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung said in a speech at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore that he would welcome the U.S. playing a larger role in tempering regional tensions, as China and some of its Southeast Asian neighbors remain deadlocked over competing territorial claims in the South China Sea - "No regional country would oppose the strategic engagement of extra-regional powers if such engagement aims to enhance cooperation for peace, stability and development. We attach special importance to the roles played by a vigorously rising China and by the United States — a Pacific power."
>losing the war against white settler farmers
You cannot fabricate these events
Blame Japan. Indochina war is their fault. They occupied vietnam and since they knew they were losing they gave important posts to independentists and other extremists to make it harder for us when we retake it.
>mfw know a viet born in France whose familly came from the south and fled the war against the vietcongs that he's proud of having won the war against americans
After the disasters in Indochina and Algeria we started building up our economy and asserted our independence in the cold war era by leading our own diplomacy while getting our own nukes.
I miss CDG he was the man.
Actually did shit somehow.
I have a neighbour who was in the war pretty much from beginning to end, acted as warrant officer. Somehow he's still a pretty normal person, even has talked about it once or twice. I think he has dimentia now because he always asks if I brought back his boots when I went to vietnam several years ago.