What's your opinion of the Netherlands, /int/?
Are we as cucked as Sweden, Germany, and France?
I never watch tv or read the newspapers so I'm really out of touch
>Are we as cucked as Sweden,
I think France wins.. Mostly because of their long secular tradition and their satire and such. In the Netherlands the 'freedom of religion' has too often been invoked to condone or justify that which cannot be condoned or justified.
>I imagine Netherlands being the best country in the world for some reason
It's pretty nice... Wouldn't know about best though. Why do you have that idea, purely out of interest?
I'm not even comparing NL to other countries, just to the past. People are lazy and content with it. Not a lot of actual tangible worth is being created here because of the stagnation. And in my opinion its cultural
>I'm not even comparing NL to other countries, just to the past. People are lazy and content with it. Not a lot of actual tangible worth is being created here because of the stagnation. And in my opinion its cultural
Typical Dutch arrogance to be honest.. People thought exactly like you after the Golden Age of the 17th century..
>'We're no longer on top because we're lazy, and it's cultural'
Are you going to encourage 'deugdzaamheid' now? Pls take your self hating Calvinist mentality and go m8.
Shit I kinda agree with you
Ambition has been discouraged and stumped out of almost everyone I know. The Dutch are very "sober" and down to earth, maybe to their detriment
Wish I was American instead
>Wish I was American instead
I wouldn't like to be American though. Although I can see why you think like this
I more think that if we would carry out some more of our own agenda instead of lifting along on German productivity things could be a bit more interesting here
Pathetic cucks, kill yourselves. Let me guess
>hurrrrr dutch people are not ambitious enough
>meanwhile you faggots have achieved absolutely nothing and have a useless degree
If you are of the opinion that the current generation of Dutch people have ceased creating 'tangible worth' because of 'cultural stagnation', you're just overestimating the Dutch potential to be honest.
What does America do better? Also, you're pretty much free to aspire to get 10/10s or 8/10s m8. Nobody is saying you have to aim for the 6.
Ah my apologies, kameraad.
Our stars no longer shine. But they can again. This is the melancholy of the Dutch since forever. We strive and succeed in one decade and stagnate in the next. This decade we are falling for populism and live on the resonance of the 90s. Soon we will split the skies and the waters again. We will stomp our small feet on the earth to make it feel our presence yet again. Work hard, kameraden. NL isn't ours. It belongs to our children and our grandchildren
>I expected to see many blonde goddesses but it was disappointing.
Should have gone to Groningen or Friesland or something m8... Everybody knows that Amsterdam is 50% tourist and 35% non-western immigrant at any given time, and Rotterdam is 37% non-western immigrant. Immigrants tend to favor the bigger cities.
>Work hard, kameraden. NL isn't ours. It belongs to our children and our grandchildren
Ik haat het Calvinisme met heel mijn hard..
>WORK WORK WORK
>NO FUN ALLOWED
>YOUR LIFE IS PROPERTY OF GOD, AND YOUR LAND IS PROPERTY OF YOUR CHILDREN
>WOOOORK DAMNIT, WORK
Flanders, maybe. But we don't need their impoverished French speaking areas.. And Flanders would likely resist heavily, while most Dutch people don't care enough about them to actually force them to become part of the Netherlands again.
Let them be..
It's alright but there are better cities in my opinion. I personally like Groningen, Utrecht and Nijmegen the best. But since NL is so small you can pretty much go to everywhere you want. There are small comfy towns that are worth visiting too, but it depends on your taste
>I really want to visit Netherlands again. Is Harlem good?
Haarlem is pretty. It has a similar building style to Amsterdam, but less mass-tourism.. Also a LOT less of all the tacky shit Amsterdam is littered with (10.000.000 tourist shops that all sell the same crappy keychains, weed shirts and parafernalia, sex shops, 'coffee(weed)shops' etc.). Haarlem does have all those facilities, but in a more normal density, and aimed at locals more than tourists..
But really, the Netherlands is small enough that you could visit a bunch of interesting towns in just a week.. Haarlem -> Delft is only about an hour by train (less even), and Delft is also a very historical city. Same with Gouda, Leiden and to a lesser degree Den Haag.. All about 1 hour or less apart by train.
>>mfw i was told that rotterdam is the most dangerous city and it just look safe as fuck
Amsterdam is usually statistically the most dangerous or one of the most dangerous cities in the Netherlands, while it simultaneously often ranks among the top of the list for 'Safest EU capitals'.. The Netherlands is a pretty safe country, really.
>pic is Haarlem
I went to an Australia vs Netherlands field hockey game once and I wanted the dutch team to step on my body with their sweaty feet.
also all that news about how the government is irreversibly destroying small dutch towns by doubling their populations with refugees makes me think they are swedish tier
>also all that news about how the government is irreversibly destroying small dutch towns by doubling their populations with refugees makes me think they are swedish tier
I believe most of that is about one (1) town.. Though the numbers were pretty scandelous.. 700 refugees in a tiny village with total population +-150.. Original plan was about 1400, but that was reduced.
The really striking thing about the entire story is that the people in Oranje (the little village) did everything correct, and civil.. They wrote letters, involved media, demanded a say in the municipal council, staged non-violent protests etc... And all they got was 700 asylum seekers instead of the original 1500.
In other towns, the population just went apeshit, rioted, threw bricks and fireworks at police and at the municipal hall.. And they get 0 (none) asylum seekers now. Imo, that sends the message that as long as you're savage and violent, you get your way... Not the right message if you ask me.
These people did not get asylum seekers in their region:
People that just followed official objection-procedures did.
I am scared of the Dutch just like I am scared of the strong AI. These guys man..
>be chemistry student
>was invited to some sort of gathering of chemistry students in france
>sat next to this one dutch guy
>started talking about our countries
>he told me about that one time
>when dutch farmers farmed onions but they werent selling any onions, they were farming onions for years, and they just kept farming onions, and kept farming, and still not selling, and then one year they just flooded the african market of onions, they flooded the market with dirt cheap onions, basically free onions, no one else was buying any onions other than theirs, they put all their dutch onions on the market for such dirt cheap price, all other african onion farmers got rekt super hard, some even commit suicide, but almost all of them sold their onion farms to the dutch
>to this day, the dutch hold these onion farms and reap all the onion profits in Africa
Yeah I am not messing with Netherlandians 2bh imo lads senpai.
I know right, I went to an up scale high school and all the hot girls played field hockey there, sometimes we'd hang out at the hockey club and there were so fuckin many blonde godesses with amazing bodies in those sexy tight hockey outfits goddamnnit watching a match was pure hnnngggggggg. Look up fatima moreira de melo mate
Good point here. I saw quite some footage of what happened, and honestly I was in disbelieve. They even called up the MP/ME.
Really if you're trying to be heard in a way like this I don't think your voice should be worth anything in a country like this.
There are other, more civilised ways.
>>to this day, the dutch hold these onion farms and reap all the onion profits in Africa
It's not just Africa anymore m8.. South America apparantly also likes our onions. The Dutch onion is slowly taking over the world. The economy of scale is real. Can't really blame Dutch farmers though, imo, even if it leads to sad situations.
>Mr Barro’s onions are being undercut by cheap Dutch onions, which last for longer, and are sold by companies with storage facilities. Mr Barro has to keep his onions under a tree. If it rains, he loses his harvest and therefore his income.
Yes, that's very sad for mr. Barro. But realise that many, MANY Dutch onion farmers went out of business before the remaining ones got large/smart enough to dominate global markets like this.. In the end they're all just trying to feed their families. Dutch onion farmers would all be bankrupt if they could not export on the scale that they do.
Last time i checked it is your fucking place that is drowning over and over and over again.
>yfw she's blonde
>yfw she's named after a Catholic pilgrimage site in Portugal named Fàtima
shameful betrayal of everything Willem van Oranje stood for
>be orangist farmer
>make orange carrot
>make it cheap and attractive
>orange carrot takes over the world
>be Frisian farmer
>select the best cows
>happens to be white and black spotted
>take over the world with its productivity
>everyone thinks cows are supposed to be black and white spotted now
Well look at this post from your own countryman.
Yeah, I am not messing with Dutch. If you guys invade Serbia or any other place for that matter I am digging myself a hole and I am not getting out till its over. Dont want to face the Dutch.
Everyone should fear you cunts, or they will lose their onions at first, and everything else at later.
All 1st world places have shitskins though. I'm always hearing about places like Germany, Belgium, France, UK, etc getting fucked up by them but never you guys. Must be doing something right.
>we got cucked when they killed Van Gogh & Fortyun
How old are you? If anything the murders on van Gogh and Fortuyn opened up the public debate in this country. Before, basically all criticism of Islam and immigration was racist, and taboo. Now, Fortuyns ideas are mainstream, and pushed in varying degrees by every party from the Socialists to Christian Democrats.
How long before you ask Dutch help with your floods again?
Senegal was the African country where Dutch onions had the largest imact I believe.. Mostly because they used to have tarrifs or quotas, but when they were lifted suddenly 90% of onions on Senegalese market were Dutch.
>The stored onions would rot.
Onions literally keep for months, and that's when they're ready-to-eat in my kitchen cupboard. If you store them in a controlled environement (dark, cool) they stay fresh for 10 months or longer.. That's why they're such a great export product.
>not posting the most gruesome battle in our entire history
I bet it was Onion soup too...
I just dont understand why does a land of such beautiful people, tullips, windmills, glorious history, great economy, great culture etc etc speak LIKE FUCKING ARABS.
Someone look up Dutch on youtube. They use that throat kh sound like they all have throat cancer. Its like they get off to ear torture. Listening to two Dutch people speak to each other softly and tenderly is like two draculas from hell hissing at each other.
>tfw no dutch qt to spit on me accidentally while speaking in english
>People that cannot prounounce the G properly
Kek.. Never gets old. Anyway, maybe you'd prefer our Southerners or Flemish-Dutch (from Belgium).
Southerners discussing the 'sexiest accent' in Brabant (south).. Almost all people in that vid have the so-called 'soft G', as opposed to the 'hard G' the rest of us have. The girl at 0:40 is an exception, but she says she intentionally tries to hide her Brabant-accent because she doesn't like it.
Literally this fellow Serbbro, I hope that I don't offend anyone but Flemish sounds easier on the ears. There are probably dialects within Netherlands itself that sound less 'guttoral'.
Also how would you feel if a Serb moved to your country? I had Netherlands in mind for quite some time, because you seem less cucked, emphasis on 'seem', I may be wrong. Obviously I come as a highly educated citizen (Software Engineering) with intentions of working, not leeching of welfare and such.
>I'm really out of touch
You're really out of dutch.
Polish, f.e. sounds quite strange to me as well. I don't dislike the way it sounds, but the szsczsczcsczcsczs is really weird to me. I
f you weren't unerdage you'd understand and not make such a long whiney comment about it.
Since I'm spamming accents, honorable mention to Suriname:
Lady at 0:30 has a VERY think, but imo quite pretty, Surinamese/Caribean accent. Reminds me of Gerda Havertong who always read us stories in Dutch Sesamestreet.
>Populistic person with funny hair joins politics
>Few years later the same happens in America
FUNNY HAIR POLITICIANS UNITE
>Listening to two Dutch people speak to each other softly and tenderly is like two draculas from hell hissing at each other.
I'm ok with this
Yeah, I understand what you mean.
Massive fucker as in massive jokers or in a bad way?
Ironically, as a Serb I find Polish and Russian really strange too. Polish uses too many 'hard' consonants at once as you've explained with 'szczrzdž', but looks really cool written. Russian just seems ruffian to me (sorry Russianbros, that's how it sounds to us) and it sounds like they're yelling all the time.
Not being bias, but desu Serbo-Croatian and Slovenian are the qt-est sounding Slav languages.
>Geplastificeerde hompen fabriekskaas
>Merk op vlaggetjes ipv de Driekleur
>We're used to a certain level of politeness, aka civility, Ahmad.
You're overly sensitive, prudist and disengenous.. I sometimes think many of you don't even know what it means to be genuine.
>>does not understand happiness
>>must be fake
We understand happyness, which is why it's so easy to see that 'OHMYGOD HOW AAAAARE YOUUUUUUUU' smiles are not genuine...
>Why does this trigger you so much?
It doesn't. You just come off as mentally ill when you do.
>You're overly sensitive
It's called being polite. Considering someone else's feelings is not a bad thing.
How so? I'm being honest about how I think you're rude.
I have a job I like, a wonderful wife, a nice 2400 sq ft Victorian house, no debt, and enough extra time and income to pursue my interests. Why would I not be happy?
Is all you know about this country based on media? We're not all Californians, you know.
>It's called being polite. Considering someone else's feelings is not a bad thing.
True, but there's no need to go full retard with it...
Americans are pretty much the prudest people in the free world though..
>How so? I'm being honest about how I think you're rude.
Because your friendliness and politeness comes off as forced and not genuine. What he said: >>53223930 Visiting the US it sometimes seems like you're all working at customer service and have been tipped off the Mystery Shoppers is coming by that day or something.
>Is all you know about this country based on media? We're not all Californians, you know.
>based on media
Typically an assumption one would make in a state where 85% of the population does not hold a passport.
>you don't know your own emotional state
Nope. Coloradan and Vermonter.
>your happiness is impossible
>why are you telling us the reasons for your happiness
Only perpetual malcontents insist on others' unhappiness.
>Americans are pretty much the prudest people in the free world though..
I'm not, though. Far from it, really.
>Visiting the US
Do you mean the tourist parts of NYC, LA, San Francisco, Las Vegas, or any Disney theme park?
>I'm not, though. Far from it, really.
Generalisations don't hold true for every individual, anon. That's why they're generalisations... But generally, they're true. The meltdown the US experienced over Janet Jackson's boob, just to name something, is indicative of a stupidly prude culture..
>ON PUBLIC TV!1
We've had nudity on public television literally since the 60s (Phil Bloom read the paper, topless, in 1967 on tax-funded television).. Who cares?
>Do you mean the tourist parts of NYC,
Yes, spent 2 days there.
>LA, San Francisco, Las Vegas,
Have not been to West Coast (yet)
>or any Disney theme park?
No. Does Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom count?
Also been to upstate, non tourist NY (visiting GFs family), Louisville Kentucky (stayed at Bellarmine uni in a dorm during summer course thing).. I've met quite a few 'ordinary' Americans, I think.
Only been to Amstersdam which is a nice city. Love the coffeeshops. Tbh was a little surprised how many MENA/Turks there were but it is a global city with plenty of tourists and everyone seemed to be behaving themselves.
Known a few Dutch guys through online gaming and tend to be pretty chill people.
Dutch people asking the world what they think about us and then 80% of the posts are dutch people talking about our country.
Even i am commenting in this thread, it just confirms that we are all shit
>Dutch people asking the world what they think about us and then 80% of the posts are dutch people talking about our country.
OP asked what /int/ thought. He didn't exclude us from commenting.. Which is always a good idea if you don't want Dutch opinions on something: Just exclude them from the start.
>What's your opinion of the Netherlands, /int/?
It's simply astounding what you take for granted. You badly need a war.
>Generalisations don't hold true for every individual, anon.
Generalizations don't hold true for most Americans. We're a diverse population, and that's why being polite is important. We can't assume anything about our fellow countrymen's experiences or perspective, so we have to be diplomatic.
>I've met quite a few 'ordinary' Americans, I think.
Then I assume that you understand the only real common thread we share is a sense of individualism.
>Generalizations don't hold true for most Americans. We're a diverse population, and that's why being polite is important. We can't assume anything about our fellow countrymen's experiences or perspective, so we have to be diplomatic.
Like I said: Overly sensitive.
>Then I assume that you understand the only real common thread we share is a sense of individualism.
Kek, no. I'd say you're less individualist than Dutch folks, generally I'd say.. When you're not claiming USA, you're claiming your state, when you're not representing your state it's your town or your football team, when it isn't that it's your (former) high school or even your ethnic group or that of your great-great-grandparents. My perception is actually that Americans are rather group-oriented...
Ok, if you insist. I disagree, but that's OK.
(See what I did there?)
>Americans are rather group-oriented
Solidarity with a group does not diminish one's individual character. I am a Coloradan, but that doesn't mean I like the Broncos. I do smoke weed, though.
I'm a Vermonter, but... Ok, I am a maple syrup chugging liberal woodsman.
I do accept that, and I'm proud of it. Although, the people I've met from virtually every traditionally Catholic country (excluding Italy) and the UK have been nice. I've never, ever met a nice Dutch person.
the most cuck country in history desu
also we are seeing how dutch culture and language is getting removed by german and english
also filthy swamp jews
PD: why are there so many moroccans in netherlands and belgium?
We lost fucking everything to frogs, krauts and anglos.
you guys have no idea what cooking means.
It's almost unbelivable having an entire population that outright refuses to cook (sandwiches and meatball-soup are not food)
otherwise it's a pretty cool place, I might go there again in the future
>It's almost unbelivable having an entire population that outright refuses to cook (sandwiches and meatball-soup are not food)
Sad but true. Thankfully my parents taught me to cook some traditional things..
Still lost though ;DD
>He literally has morrocans swim to spain if they're not arriving by the boatload
>His country is ethnically largely similair to morroco/north africa
>Hey whats up with those morrocans in the netherlands anyway huh
>It's true though, unless you count irreligious as a religion.
Only because the Catholic church pretends that anyone with a Catholic name or Catholic parents are actually Catholic. My parents stopped going to Church decades ago, I wasn't even baptised, but the Catholic church considers me a member regardless of that, judging by the letters they send me (adressing me as a member) asking for money for they programs.
>not very nice
>countries that don't need american tourist money
>countries that need american tourist money
they get buttraped by them every few years
also my claim comes from the fact that most sephardic jews (or iberian jews) went to the netherlands and england when they got expelled from Spain and Portugal
the real loss for spain was losing money and lives there though
Spain shares borders with morocco so it's not strange that they come here, but netherlands? why would they got there
also nice le spanish are not white meme
>they get buttraped by them every few years
>Implying Germany isn't a Jewish Construct designed by the eternal Yidd
>Implying Hitler wasn't a false flag
Keep drinking the redpill-flavoured kool-aid.
>the real loss for spain was losing money and lives
Legend has it we never even killed any of you.. You just fled like pussies when your feet got wet.
>but netherlands? why would they got there
Serious answer: Guest laborers brought in by liberal right politicians.. Intended to be temporarily, like the Spanish and Greek workers that also came but mostly came back. But when the labour party rose to power the 'temporary' thing went away, and they gave the non-intergrated workers that were never meant to stay the right to stay and to even reunite their families. Things went rapidly downhill from there.
>spanish are not white meme
Is it still a meme if it's true though.
The reason they keep going towards the netherlands is because not even morrocan roaches want to stay in a shithole like spain
>believen jewish black legend propaganda
>letting the moors in for free
I mean I'm thankful that countries like belgium, netherlands and france take so many north-africans because that mean that we get less
and that's a good thing
Kankerautisten is één woord, kankerflikker. Leer het godverdomme eens.
When the Netherlands became a unitary state rather than a federation, the capital and the seat of government were seperated because North (which contains Amsterdam) and South (Den Haag) Holland were both afraid one would gain too much power over the other...
Also on a side note, the capital of North Holland is not Amsterdam, but Haarlem. Amsterdam is just the nation's capital, but doesn't actually fulfill any function related to that. Only symbolic.
>I mean I'm thankful that countries like belgium, netherlands and france take so many north-africans because that mean that we get less
That's like a sewer being glad people sometimes urinate outside, you're still the sewer mate
>we are at least as good as the rest of you in quality of life
Ignore this cunt. Nederlanders are great folk. The language is retarded, but your general population have great English skills.
Always seeing you fellas in online games, you can handle your banter. Top lads.
>good thing is that we are not that bad, we are at least as good as the rest of you in quality of life
Years ago i met a girl from there, she was pretty, but she was too obsessed with salsa, flamenco and these shits, you cant literally talk of anithing else with her. So I desisted. Anyway she doesnt seemed to be interested in anything, except fucking flamenco and salsa.
I hate flamenco and salsa.
top expectancy of life in Europe
mediterranean diet is considered best worldwide
lower than most western europeans in violent crimes, suicides and drug abuse
strong culture roots and strong language
It's in the top, don't let angry Dutch losers here tell you otherwise.
The country has everything and the people have a lot of freedoms to do what they want, so you have few people complaining about real issues.
your quality of life is not that great, trust me.
The strong point of netherlands is your booming economy allowing for a surplus of jobs, even for low education people. Also it's a beautiful country (but so is most europe).
I mean, here professional courses are seen as low tier most of the time with mediocre job expections while there it's a viable option.
On the other hand you also have to spend far more money to have a comparable quality of life to us. Your taxes are higher, you have to make use of more services (like life insurance) as state covers nothing, the prices are brutal (some things cost 3 times more) and your real estate is for rich people only
Most Central and North Europeans I have seen here are absolutely hateful people. Arrogants, stupid and fake people as hell, and not more civiliced than an african or moor, or even a monkey when they are drunk.
Keep being in your paradise countries and stop disturbing us here, please.
>top expectancy of life in Europe
Only for women, and even then only marginally better.
What has that to do with Spaniards?
>mediterranean diet is considered best worldwide
Too bad everyone likes the French or Italian cuisine better. Even Americans like Mexican, not Spanish.
>lower than most western europeans in violent crimes, suicides and drug abuse
>strong culture roots and strong language
That's pretty much all European countries m8
>your quality of life is not that great, trust me.
>The strong point of netherlands is your booming economy allowing for a surplus of jobs, even for low education people. Also it's a beautiful country (but so is most europe).
>I mean, here professional courses are seen as low tier most of the time with mediocre job expections while there it's a viable option.
>On the other hand you also have to spend far more money to have a comparable quality of life to us. Your taxes are higher, you have to make use of more services (like life insurance) as state covers nothing, the prices are brutal (some things cost 3 times more) and your real estate is for rich people only
>Most Central and North Europeans I have seen here are absolutely hateful people. Arrogants, stupid and fake people as hell, and not more civiliced than an african or moor, or even a monkey when they are drunk.
Is it me, or is there some irony in this statement?
google is your source I'm not going to search it all
take the life expectancy ranking
you're not helping yourself, by your data:
NL people live about 10% better lives than the average spaniard. That is extremely relevant (and probably an exageration), your ranking is a meme too
I thought it was a pacific and utopic little country full of bridges, islands and individually aggressive people until a Dutch policeman made an AMA on /b/ a couple years ago and said he was in numerous shootings and lost a friend due to depression.
Now I think it's just ok
>you're not helping yourself, by your data:
>NL people live about 10% better lives than the average spaniard. That is extremely relevant (and probably an exageration), your ranking is a meme too
Well, to be fair, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht, The Hague and Almere (The Randstad Metropolis) are comparable to Rio or Sao Paulo. I don't think any real Dutch people are left there.
Why is Spain so perturbed by us? One second they're calling us "nothing" then proceed to talk for hours about how they're not worse than us and how they were very ebin past.
They need to get out of their denial phase and realize we're now in the top ranking nations, for al long time even ever since the Republic was founded despite hardships.
>Only for women, and even then only marginally better.
>What has that to do with Spaniards?
we are talking about the quality of life in Spain not spanish people
>mediterranean diet is considered best worldwide
>Too bad everyone likes the French or Italian cuisine better. Even Americans like Mexican, not Spanish.
mediterranean diet has nothing to do with national cuisines
also you should really look for the best restaurants and chefs of the lat years
>lower than most western europeans in violent crimes, suicides and drug abuse
stats are there
>strong culture roots and strong language
That's pretty much all European countries m8
several of those europeans countries are getting their culture and language remplaced by some vanilla american fake culture
>second to 19th
>two places behind
>the prices are brutal (some things cost 3 times more)
Minimum wage is almost 3 times higher as well.. In Portugal €589,-/month, google tells me.. In the Netherlands it's €1524,60/month for fulltime job.
>and your real estate is for rich people only
Housing is expensive here. At current rent rates, getting a mortgage is just as possible for people with steady jobs as renting a house. Rents tend to be €500-€600,- a month..Any montly rent BELOW €710.68 is considered 'social housing', making people that pay that or less eligable for premiums and stuff if their income is low. Getting a mortgage would leave you with similar monthly payments, provided the bank trusts the steadyness of your job.
I know many people that buy houses in their 20s, and I'd consider none to be very rich. Just normal.
Id rather live 2 years shorter if it means not spending it in a spanish shithole.
But let's say we'll concede that point, it's still a much lesser point compared to the rest of your claims.
Claims which you conveniently cba to back up
>>I'm too unknowledgeable to even try to defend myself
>>i'm sure this ad hominem will do the trick
>he was in numerous shootings
Amsterdam or area?
Zaandam.. Amsterdam area. Drug criminals have a habit of doing this to each other on the streets. Especially these past 2 years or so. But despite that, the overall murder rate is lower than ever at like 0.7/100k
All of these kind of "muh good life here" are memes, because you cant mesaure how good is living somewhere when people like different things, a good place for someone could be a hell for another one.
Anyway Southen Europe countries are chosen by this arrogant people to come and have an enjoyable life when they are retired.
How many people go to the Netherlands or any North E./Central E. to retire?
>Well, to be fair, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Utrecht, The Hague and Almere (The Randstad Metropolis) are comparable to Rio or Sao Paulo
To be fair, Amsterdam and Rotterdam are villages compared to Rio or Sao Paulo.. Rio and Sao Paulo combined have as much people as the country of the Netherlands m8.
>by this arrogant people to come and have an enjoyable life when they are retired.
Because it's cheap and sunny.
>How many people go to the Netherlands or any North E./Central E. to retire?
Plenty... Like I said above: Cheap, sunny and nice and close to home.
I said that spain is at least a good as the rest so that ranking is adequated
and I only gave backup in that because as you can see in the filename I have it saved from an older thread here
you're going full retard there m8
>All of these kind of "muh good life here" are memes, because you cant mesaure how good is living somewhere when people like different things, a good place for someone could be a hell for another one.
so much this though
People retire in all kinds of countries but favour those which are warm, Spain is just cheap to live in hahahaha that's literally why people go there.
And Spaniards are pretty nice people that helps too, although you wouldn't want take mad Spaniards on /int/ as an example.
>How many people go to the Netherlands or any North E./Central E. to retire?
People from wealthy nations to go poor ones to retire because their money will be worth more there. The opposite is nonsensical to expect given people from poorer countries will be at an increased disadvantage if they were to retire in a more wealthy country.
Your statement is logically flawed if you try to apply it to the matter at hand
>Addendum here, the 710 euros he's talking about is eligible for subsidies
Only if the household makes less than €34000,- a year before taxes. 2 people making minimumwage almost go over that... I live together with my gf, a starting highschool teacher, and I'm a student that makes maybe a few thousand a year. We're not eligible for anything, and pay almost €700,- rent... The only people that can apply for those subsidies are my jobless neighbors on welfare.
It was true though. He seemed to be old (about 40), replied in Dutch to Dutch posters and even took a pic of a sort of Police sign on a wall of his station, but he cared to hide an specific number or something.
And I can't recall what city was it. I think it was Amsterdam, yes
Most quality of life ranking are just shit-rankings, for example, this shit-ranking of an english newspaper:
In this ranking Andalusia is the best place to live in the world. Well, i live there abd i can ensure you that is not the best place to live even in Spain for most of Spaniards.
But is better to let this snowniggers think that they are the paradise and we are Mordor, less drunken snowniggers disturbing us here.
We're speaking from very diferent points of view, just to start I do agree with you, but I think you're not seeing where I'm trying to go.
first off, I'd rather speak of average wage (but it's about the same diference), entry level jobs are not designed to base your life on.
Renting is for the lower classes, as they may have to move as the job demand changes, It's the same everywhere. your rents are indeed competitive, I must give you that.
But here when you settle down (i.e you have a good, stable job), you buy a house for you, and any descendent you may have in the future. This is where my critisism comes from, you can't properly do that there, the sheer investment you have to make to have a house of your own makes it harder for people to go from mid-low to mid or mid-high class.
You have access to far better life, but you can't "save" your progress asside from storing money in the bank.
>Also the cap is 22k/y if you're alone
Still not a lot.. If you're even slightly above minimumwage, and/or your boss gives you a 13th months, you're over it.
>but he cared to hide an specific number or something.
Yeah, Dutch police are required to ID themselves by number, rather than name. So that you can't look them up in the phonebook and throw bricks through their window, but CAN make formal complaints against them personally.
>And I can't recall what city was it. I think it was Amsterdam, yes
Quite likely. There aren´t a lot of other places where cops get in shootings regularly.. And if they do, the criminals mostly come from Amsterdam. Rotterdam or the Hague get their share as well, but not like Amsterdam.
Literally beeing in Netherlands and get shot.
>This is where my critisism comes from, you can't properly do that there, the sheer investment you have to make to have a house of your own makes it harder for people to go from mid-low to mid or mid-high class.
Both my parents own houses, despite being divorced, dispite my father being disabled and unemployed (only the last few years till his pension, but still), dispite my mother just being a secretary at a university.. If you have a steady job and no debts, you CAN apply for a mortgage, and you CAN become a homeowner.. Perhaps not as easily as in Southern Europe, but it's still an obtainable goal for anyone that makes a serious effort.
>You have access to far better life, but you can't "save" your progress asside from storing money in the bank.
Most people store their money in their house, by way of mortgage, and then leave that (or the money they make from selling it'to their kids.
>Spain unsafe Vol 2
Feeling true fear in Shiterdam.
Meanwhile in UnsafeSpain.
>18ish k per year
Which is €1524,- a month before taxes. Say you make 10% more than minimumwage, and get a 13th month (not that uncommon).. Just a few hours of overtime in that year will push you over the limit.
Also, there are MUCH more people in the Netherlands that make 'modaal' (duh), which is €2400,- a month.
We get cultured Moors (aka Southern Spaniards) and you get rich white people to retire in your country it's not fair.
PD: Southen Spain is the most catholical part of Spain.
It is time to kill the mene of muslism in Spain.
But is cheaper, and for the other things you were saying that your country was better. Keep there then, going to a worse country only because it is cheaper and have sun has no sense.
just hope no economical meltdown happens then, what you said used to be comonplace here as well.
But since 2008 things changed as people went bankrupt as they could no longer keep up with mortages (and euribor was going down, still is I think). So banks took their homes (and thus their investment) to pay for the loans.
Your prices are forbiding from a responsability standpoint. A own home is a huge investment, the kind of investment that should not go wrong. But in the current situation the market is unstable and if you account for mantainance, interest rates and potential hazards the actual gain is negative.
giving you a rather extreme case (the values are round to make math easy):
my mother built her house in a terrain she was gifted in the marriage and the whole thing (including the land value) would be around 60k € (which would be around 90k nowadays, maybe a bit more)
now, she didn't have that kind of money, so she did take a loan of about 40k (about 10k in interest accounting the inflation), the mortage was around 10% of the house income.
nowadays the house is valued around 200k € and the loan is to be finished in less than 5 years (total: about 20 years). My parents are divorced as well, and my mother carried the weight all alone.
the return we have is enormous, not only that but having your house means you can then invest in other small things like solar production (it used to pay itself within 10 years) or even more real estate for rental purposes (that takes alot more time to repay itself though). You can't have this kind of long-term investment accessible for mid income people, my mother will be able to make use of all the investments for the rest of her life (which should be some 30 years at least), which means she'll be self-suficient even when she no longer is able to work.
This used to be comon for middle class people until very recently. Now things are grim for those who took a bite too big for their mouth (or just lost their jobs).
I don't know, red ranges from 100.000 to 499.999.
Hmm okay about 850.000 from decent European countries. Still pretty good.
At any rate it is true though this is a workers nations, you live here mostly to make good money it came from the Protestants and the climate motives this also. I mean what are you going to do? Enjoy the shitty weather? Enjoy the flat landscape? Nah you'll just work. It's why Germany and the Netherlands is in part so wealthy.
Not a bad thing though, because making good money means you can enjoy life even more in the good times.
You have Geert Wilders and apparently half of your population likes him.
Therefore not cucked.
Also you are great neighbours and invented the famous "Hollandrad" ,whats not to like?
By the way, the media try to spin the cologne incident about not being about brown people but some politicians are making mad population gains by saying the truth, I have hope again.
Some kind of late Christmas present that you like but still never wanted.
damn, I just made a wall
TL;DR of that shit: mortages are slavery contracts, unless you are sure you're going to be able to enjoy enough to repay your sacrifices, it's not worth the risk of losing everything
>But is cheaper
But a corrupt non EU shithole. Did you not read my post?
>and for the other things you were saying that your country was better.
Yeah, but no sun. How hard is it to understand that people buy holidayhouses in Spain because it´s close, easy and inexpensive? Turkey is not close and not easy. Sure it's cheap, but if cheap was the MAIN consideration people wouldn't buy holiday houses to begin with...
>Keep there then, going to a worse country only because it is cheaper and have sun has no sense.
Except when you have your bank accounts, insurance, pensions, family, social security, family and pretty much everything besides your holiday retreat back in Western Europe...
Mortgages are always a risk, but the housing bubble in the Netherlands doesn't seem to be as big as in other European countries, especially in the Randstad area. You have to realise the population density in this country is retardedly high... Houses are extremely expensive because land is expensive, and land is expensive because supply and demand. Since 2008 we've seen numerous housing and mortgage bubbles pop, and we've seen property prices going down, in the Netherlands as well.. But they haven't nearly dropped as much as elsewhere, and the prices are currently rising again while requirements for getting a mortgage etc have become much stricter. It's very difficult to go bankrupt on your house in this country, provided you don't go full retard like people did in the 90s by borrowing 150% of the value of the property you intend to buy. Losing your job is bad too, but that's why couples are generally advised not to calculate their max mortgage on both incomes, but on just one.. So that if one loses their job, the other can still cover it.
>Either netherlands or denmark is flooded constantly because its below sea level, not sure which one.
Neither tbqhwy... You're either thinking about the past, or about Britain.
>trying to be relevant
oh no man, we were but not anymore and never will be.
you never were and never will be too.
even so, i always will love your country for this
>Imo, that sends the message that as long as you're savage and violent, you get your way... Not the right message if you ask me.
A lot of successful revolutions and political/social changes came about as a result of that. Nonviolent protests can work (e.g. Gandhi) but there has to be massive disruptions in the economy for a long period of time. Nonviolent protests does jackshit.
Seriously, why can the Flemish mind not comprehend that the Hollandse Calvinisten meme is bullshit. Flemish folka always go on and on about Flanders' Catholic background, while a majority of Dutch people do so too. People of protestant ancestry are a minority. We also have a much larger internal diversity dialect-wise than you guys. You say our accent is disgusting while in the South of the Netherlands they basically speak the same as you guys, we both have a Limburg, Low Saxon is mostly a different language, Frisian certainly is. Holland only exists in the West of the Netherlands, in two provinces. It's like when Dutch people wouldn't stop talking shit on West-Vlaanderen all the time while equating it with all of Belgium. You guys aren't any more special than any of the Dutch regional cultures and you should stop dividing our already small nation into two even smaller ones you bunch of fuckwit morons.