So Germans of /int/,
What is the actual feeling towards migrants in Germany now? Has the Cologne incident changed the way people think now, or is it all overblown by the media?
I am from the cologne region and the people who are/were "pro-refugee" are starting to doubt all of this now. I have talked to a couple of female friends and they all are furious about the mayor's statement.
We will have our local carnival here along the rhine-area in a couple of weeks and most of the people are thinking that this incident will happen again, since during the carnival season, public places are much more crowded and more chaotic than on new year's eve. The police will never be able to control this. It's going to get real bad...
There will definitely be a huge political shift in the upcoming months. Most of the people are realizing now (even the pro-refugee ones), how our government and the german media is/was trying to hide all the negative aspects of the refugee influx of the last couple of months. While the local newspapers reported about this incident on the next day, all of the bigger ones waited until the pressure from social media started to get too high.
My home town (with roughly 5000 inhabitants) will receive approximately 800 refugees over the next 4 months. 2bh, I'm a little bit afraid and scared that this will get even more out of control then.
Feels nice to be living in Germany right now...
>The police will never be able to control this. It's going to get real bad...
You've got a choice to make, Fritz. Either you push this cancer out of your country in the next decade or so, or your granddaughter will have her clitoris carved out of her body with a razor and live her life as a beast of burden. Be hard. Lose your pity, and save your country.
It's sad that the populace has wished this upon themselves, but I suppose that's the result of a couple generations of marxist indoctrination. My personal opinion is that it's too late now for Germany. These sorts of incidents will become weekly occurrences over the next couple of years, eventually the media will get lose steam and stop reporting on them. We Australians are watching your sinking ship from a distance, and it's only strengthening the general populace's resolve against illegal immigration.
That's not a problem the refugee influx has brought to us.. Even the 2nd and 3rd turk generations here are "claiming our german daughters", who are "supposed to wear headscarfs" and "marry their bearded men".
This is modern war... You don't fight your enemies, you breed them out of their own country.
I'm sorry, but I have to disappoint you, no "german accent"
Nobody cares, got better things to do during daytime. There is no hope for this fucked up shitplanet anyway, so I'm trying to have a nice life. Since I've stopped reading the news etc like 2 years ago I've been in a way better mood and it is gonna stay that way. So I can only recommend you to stop wasting your precious time with that bullshit
Okay, I know we Americans really beat it into you to not be Nazis anymore because you started two goddamn world wars and you were awful.
But this? This is too goddamn far in the other direction, Kraut. We didn't rebuild you to see you commit suicide via kebab.
It really is... The image you've posted is showing people in traditional robes, but don't ask me anything about carnival traditions in cologne. Today, it's more of an alcohol fest and people wear ordinary costumes (like murcians do on halloween).
I was reading an article about the Cologne and Hamburg attacks in the NYT today and had to put the newspaper down because of how upset I had become. I started shaking my head over and over while muttering JUST to myself. It's so sad to see this happen to a beautiful country full of such beautiful pure white maidens. I wish you only the best Germany.
All memes aside, german women are among the shittiest ones.
>Hurr you say that because you can't get a gf
No, that's not it, I just live around them. Russian girls are way better, they aren't as self centered, leftist and they don't want special treatment. They also look better.
Believe me german girls had this coming and there's no need for sympathy.
Wer nicht hören will, muss fühlen, as we'd say, meaning who doesn't want to listen has to learn it the hard way.
I also want to know how the average german feels about what Cologne's mayor said, blaming the women for the assaults and saying that they should act certain ways to not arouse the muslims.
Oh come now my man, you don't want to have your population raped you need them to develop the strength to fight the cancer in your land. American women are shit too, for same reasons for similar reasons but I don't wish ill will only that they become more educated and self aware.
Of course not all of them are, women in the east are different from the spoiled brats here in cologne. Cologne has been leftist for years, they elected a openly pro refugee major, so they don't have a right to complain at all. I do feel sorry for those girls that weren't clapping at the central station, or didn't vote Rekers. But they'll be a tiny minority.
You can't teach someone who doesn't want to listen. We had the perfect examples of what's going to happen around us, they just had to take a look at the Pakis in GB, or the maghrebs in france. They wanted to be special and edgy, when people warned them, having this now more than ever mentaility.
Hasn't changed. Still welcoming everyone fleeing war or seeking work and willing to fit in.
The fact that social media pretty much killed real journalism and every news is now a social media frenzy has me leaning back in my armchair and gaze in awe at raging apes. It taught me that white niggers are no better than black niggers. They were just better led for a couple of centuries. That's all.
Just because people nowadays like to make a big fuss about everything doesn't mean everything is going down the drain. Objectively we're the wealthiest humans that ever lived in the history of mankind. We live longer lives, more peaceful lives, enjoy more social security and material wealth than any generation before us. Getting upset about news is a choice. 99.999% of the time it doesn't really affect you at all.
It will affect you, because the government will have less money for other policies if you have to sustain millions of refugees.
Germany has a low fertility rate and hasn't saved for it's pensions. You rely on the government for your pensions. Your government won't have any money now. What do you think is going to happen in the upcoming years?
I'd like to point out that according to Dutch government stats only 35% of the refugees had a job after 15 years.
If they do get a job then it's a low wage job, which won't bring in cash for the government due to a progressive tax system (where the lower part of society is a net receiver).
Your country is even more screwed now than before.
>blaming the women for the assaults
She never did. This is just one of the many proofs of blowing things completely out of proportion by not reporting fully, by leaving out important facts creating an effect like in the Chinese whispers game.
A female journalist asked the female mayor what women could do to protect themselves. So she said. She responded to a request for information. She also said other things like the necessity of police doing their job etc. But nobody wants to hear these facts and details because everybody wants to use this event as vehicle for projecting his own fears and insecurities.
>It will affect you, because the government will have less money for other policies if you have to sustain millions of refugees.
By that measure I should be raging hard about German bums. They cost way more and are far more numerous.
It has long been proven that over the long term immigration is a boon to the economy. So, yeah, over the short term it will cost more. So what? That's called investment. It'll pay off.
>What do you think is going to happen in the upcoming years?
Nothing special. See above. Your fearmongering can't unsettle me. You're just projecting.
>What is the actual feeling towards migrants in Germany now?
>I'll ask this on an board with extreme right and universally anti-immigrant sentiments instead of doing my own fucking research
>I'd like to point out that according to Dutch government stats only 35% of the refugees had a job after 15 years.
No shit. We're not on Spain levels yet, but youth unemployment is still stupidly high here. What retard think an economy like ours can handle """refugees"""?
You are right about the facts, but don't make any mistakes: Germany's political class does not care (though ours is no better). They are aware of the problems, even that """refugees""" don't solve the problem, they just don't care. As long as it appears that they're trying to do something about it and they appear progressive at the same time, they're happy.
Führer Angie has been ruling Germany unopposed for three terms, making her one of the longest incumbent if not the longest incumbent heads of government in recent German history. Another popularity move will ensure her untouchability both internally and abroad. Who cares if it fucks over Germany for decades to come? Angie will probably be out of office by then, and even if she isn't at least she won't have to deal with refugees in her own mansion.
Feminists have fought for years to make streets safer so women don't have to protected when outside and can wear what they like.
Being escorted and not drawing attention to yourself with clothing is essentially practical advice but just accepting that is ignoring the fact immigration policyt has just thrown years of feminism into the trash
>German bums. They cost way more and are far more numerous
Your ministery of foreign affairs said today you had 1,1 million refugees registered in 2015.
You have 1,1 million bums?
>It has long been proven that over the long term immigration is a boon to the economy
That's not what the Dutch government has researched. See >>53218368
And in our parliament the official stats say migration costs us 8 billion euros a year. That was before the refugee crisis. And we're much smaller than you.
Are those 1,1 million German bums going to let their family come over?
>youth unemployment is still stupidly high here
Old stats, but we have the lowest neet rate in Europe.
T.bh, we had a lot of luck in the past, because eventhough we had our fair share of problems with immigration, they never really materialised in the form of terrorist attacks or literal rioting and pillaging as they did in countries like the UK or France
Of course the reason for that wasn't some sort of ability that renders the german culture more capable for immigrating large groups of people but because of certain social and economic conditions in post war Germany.
I think that many forget about that
>And in our parliament the official stats say migration costs us 8 billion euros a year.
So does our migration. Piece of cake. Especially when having a budget surplus. Gee, you're easily scared.
lol here we have two neverland bros arguing and citing sources like that's gonna stop anything
IT'S THE TWIT GENERATION NECKBEARDS AND GENTLEMEN, WE ARGUE A LOT ONLINE WHILE DOING NOTHING AND PRETEND THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA FIX ANYTHING
IT'S SECULARIZED TWIST ON PRAYING
The Netherlands has a higher fertility rate, the pensions are covered, we have 47k asylum seekers in 2015.
We're not the ones going to shit. Because our government isn't as good at covering up as yours.
>Are those 1,1 million German bums going to let their family come over?
Yeah. We already know they're mostly young men of fighting age, it's highly dubious that all of them are single and childless. The EU has specific family unification laws. I of course am no expert, but my guess is that they will try to get citizenship here and use it for family unification. If they get citizenship in one country and move to another (say, a new "German" moving to Sweden) he can enforce this EU regulation while bypassing national law.
>Old stats, but we have the lowest neet rate in Europe.
Youth unemployment is still pretty close to 10%. Low by the standards of many European countries (as I said, we're not Spain levels) but not exactly low by objective means. One way or another, we're not exactly swimming in jobs we can hand out to refugees, especially blue collar jobs.
>Irl, nothing's changed at all.
Yep, as long as you don't see it then it's not there.
you know the joke with nazis and different discriminated ppl?
>first they came for the commies
>i wasnt a commie so i didnt care
>then they came for the jews
>i wasnt a jew so i didnt care
>then the socialists
>i wasnt one so didnt care
>then they came for me
>there was nobody left to care for me
>The Netherlands has a higher fertility rate
We have, as a percentage of our total population, some of the highest numbers of non-Western immigrants in our country. The Hague is already minority Dutch with Amsterdam and Rotterdam not far behind. That's already our three biggest cities.
I doubt most of that fertility rate can really be attributed to the Dutch.
I am very well of the reasons behind the subversion of white Europe, thank you very much.
The solution to these problems is not influencing the international corporations, but the political agenda in your own country.
or... you know... someone who has genuine /int/erest and wants to know about the world. unlike you fucking LEAF piece of shit posters who are all 17 and just want to see epic australian memes.
I've looked up the statistics before. Our current migrants don't actually increase in numbers due to births, because third generation migrants get slightly more than 2 children, which is just enough to sustain themselves.
They do increase in relative numbers, but not that fast. Most of the change in demographics is directly caused by migration. So if you close the borders the current foreigners would just integrate and slowly disappear into society.
Still hoping that such which come for the money get thrown out faster also these with demand more money (they get the same if not more money than our social help recipients wich is enough)
I quickly looked at the CBS site. But the CBS now only shows first generation. I'll have to look a bit further for third gen.
But if you look at this you can see they don't actually increase in numbers.
Moroccans do increase in numbers, but only for two gens. First gen has 3 children, which slowly decreases to 2. But I can't find the stats so fast.
Yeah, and if you watch the "solutions" to subversion they include changing THE POLITICAL AGENDA and REFUSING FOREIGN ACCESS.
No shit, it's the globalist jew doing all this, but in case you haven't noticed the COMMUNISTS, JEWS, AND SOCIALISTS are the instruments and my original comment was about removing them.
Are you having trouble with reading comprehension, or are you just backpedaling for the fuck of it?
Belgium has always been a hive of radical Muslims desu.
We used to have a (now forbidden) small group of demonstrators here called Sharia4Holland. But that was also organized from Belgium.
Considering how many Moroccans go to Syria it does surprise me there haven't been any recent terrorist attacks here. The last one was when one film maker was killed in 2004. But that's it. But our police says it's just a matter of time.
Thank god our Mosques are involved in counter-terrorism here. But still not to a sufficient degree.
Hass everyone thanked Germany yet for killing schengen and depleting Africa and the middle east of fighting aged men that would have fought for jihad if they didn't have an opportunity at free money, housing and white gf?
>Kaiser Wilhelm II declared on 4 July that he was entirely for “settling accounts with Serbia”. He ordered the German ambassador in Vienna, Count Heinrich von Tschirschky, to stop advising restraint, writing that “Tschirschky will be so good to drop this nonsense. We must finish with the Serbs, quickly. Now or never!”. In response, Tschirschky told the Austro-Hungarian government that same day that “Germany would support the Monarchy through thick and thin, whatever action it decided to take against Serbia. The sooner Austria-Hungary struck, the better”. On 5 July 1914, Count Moltke, the Chief of the German General Staff, wrote that “Austria must beat the Serbs”.
Americans are pretty big on it too, but they make up the majority of /pol/
But you don't need to be a /pol/tard to realize how bad islam is. I'm against racism as most immigrants are good people who integrate, but I'll do anything to keep muslims out of my country.
Of course, war was gonna happen in any case, if the war happened two or three years later Russia could have completed railroads to its western border and then Germany would have a two front war from hell.
>So Germany is the only cause of WWI?
Of course not, but it was in part Germany that pushed Austria over the edge in a region where Europe had already tried to prevent 4 potential global conflicts. If not for Germany, instead of WW1 we'd simply have the Third Balkan War. Not desirable, but certainly not the kind of thing that destroys empires and ruins generations of young men.
True, but Russia supported Serbia in the same way Germany supported Austria. And Austria attempted to conquer Serbia, so they would dominate the Balkans and 'make up' for losing their influence in Germany and Itatly after the unification of both coutries.
Germany made no attempt to keep the peace in 1914, but neither did the other great powers involved.
Your posting is a wonderful piece to demonstrate why the events in Cologne are totally blown out of proportion. You never really wanted to talk about sexault assault against women. Like all the others with their fake outrage you just use the events as vehicle for projecting your own fears and insecurities, which in your case is the fertility rate of the Netherlands. You've completely deviated from the subject because you were never really interested in it in the first place. Just keep going. Whatever you say says nothing about the state of affairs in Cologne or Germany. But it says everything about the state of affairs in your own narrow and fearful mind.
I feel sorry for Germany
I am glad I went right when I was 18, always support the right, even far right if your right is shit, far right will at least preserve your identity as a person, anything else is material and shit.
Germany is fucked
>True, but Russia supported Serbia in the same way Germany supported Austria.
Not at all. Germany gave Austria a carte blanche, Russia wanted to prevent the annexation of Serbia by Austria. Unless you are somehow willing to argue Serbia was at any point in history a threat to Austria's future existence, Germany and Russia did not act the same way.
The entire point around which the whole war revolved was Serbian sovereignity.
Germany is gonna pay the price for being so ignorant and influenced again like they got in >1930.
This shows that they didn't learn shit in WW2...
Ignorant cowards, I really hope they stop letting refugees in and stop their plans on inviting even more in 2016
Or else i gotta turn full refugee and go to murica', please dont make me do this.
The countries where refugees arrive need to fingerprint and register refugees.
Italy, Spain and Greece simply don't do that. They close their eyes in hope it goes away.
And considering they are in charge of Europe's borders that's a complete disaster for Germany, who does follow the rules.
Please. We already knew before that we're going to have a problem as we've "invited" a surplus of men in their sexual prime our women (contrary to what 4chan will claim for lels) won't have sex with.
They better get their viriginal brides over as soon as possible as well if you ask me or we'll have even bigger problems with rape and sexual harrassment.
That's what happens when you let in terrorists.
Im in the same boat, m8. Although my policy to that might be more radical than yours. I have stopped reading almost everything in Japanese on any medium since years ago and havent even taken a look at any TV shows over like 10 years.
At some time in the past I just realized that knowing some shit on news is nothing but just putting me under a lot of stress. There was nothing "wise" with news and its stupid critiques, it was just useless fussy noises or boring normalfag trends that got in my way for no reason.
Well, I welcome some 'real' refugees, but its obvius, that we get spammed by economical immigrants.
I really hope that the situation will escalate more, so many sandniggers will finally be sent home.
Too pixelled. Possible, but also possibly that it's someone else imo.
Pretty striking resemblance,
This one almost hast to be true.. How many fatty Jihadi's can there be? Anyone know what that patch on his camo jacket is? Hezbollah??
Looks very similar, can't make definitive call due to the sunglasses. Beard doesn't say much, as there's likely quite a bit of time between pictures.
Top one too blurry imo.
It's either him, or his brother or something. But definitely related.
The question really remains who they are and why they were armed though. Many of the armed beards on the ground in Iraq and Syria have been and are considered Western allies.
>This is modern war... You don't fight your enemies, you breed them out of their own country.
"nous vous vaincrons par le ventre de nos femme"
not like it is really news, people just don't want to see the reality of the situation
>No, that's not it, I just live around them. Russian girls are way better, they aren't as self centered, leftist and they don't want special treatment. They also look better.
>Believe me german girls had this coming and there's no need for sympathy.
>Wer nicht hören will, muss fühlen, as we'd say, meaning who doesn't want to listen has to learn it the hard way.
and we also say this: wie niet horen wil moet voelen
>Top one too blurry imo.
He is now in Finland and got arrested of war crimes
Most of the pictures used came from their own facebook profiles, so I assume they are legit
I don't really understand how you can attribute the events to newly arrived immigrants when as far as we know till now the perps are part of Germany's old-established rings of organized crime. Wait, screw that. In fact I do understand how you can do this. I explained it in the post before: YOU'RE PROJECTING
>Most of the pictures used came from their own facebook profiles
Even in an area as backwards as the Middle East, people still fuck themselves over with their facebook profiles.
This is why I don't do social media.
>He is now in Finland and got arrested of war crimes
Does the article mention what he was a member of? I see green/yellow patches in the article, which implies Hezbollah or some other shiite 'club'?
Is Hezbollah formally considered a terrorist organisation in Germany?
This video which one "refugee" uploaded on him Facebook account went viral in Finland. The cat was stolen from a nearby farm.
why does ISIS have thousands of brand new toyotas
>Or else i gotta turn full refugee and go to murica', please dont make me do this.
Kekeke, he thinks USA or Australia will let his ass in.
Okay, perhaps his ass has phd in STEM field and decade of work experience, can't rule that out.
The owner of the cat published the story on Facebook. They got the cat back but he was badly traumatized. At first they didn't know how they had treated him but then someone found the video and the owner recognized her cat from it.
40 years under the all-seeing-eye of commie secret police and you dont become 'pro-refugee' or one to accept hordes of uncivilized people. So, its not wonder that people from the eastern Germany are not flying with this crap and hopefully the west will follow.
Those commie politicians, who didnt get to the top during GDR, like stasi-Merkel, are now laying their selfhatred upon the good people (albeit some very naive) of Germany.
Same thing is happening in Finland: leftist politicians are destroying this country, because their bloody dream came to an end in 1991.
Thanks to the fact that Finland was not occupied, Finns didnt become cautious enough of the leftist politicians, unlike our western neighbours and all eastern bloc, non-russian slavs and so we been enjoying their politics for the last 25 years.
it's funny how there isn't a single video of this incident in the age of smartphones.
reminds me of this
>During the Gezi Park protests that erupted during the summer of 2013, pro-government journalists reported that a headscarved woman named Zehra Develioğlu was attacked by Gezi protesters on a street in Kabataş on June 1. Develioğlu claimed that she was attacked by 70-100 half-naked men wearing leather gloves because she was wearing a headscarf. According to the legal complaint that she submitted to a prosecutor, Develioğlu said a man attacked her daughter's stroller while another slapped her and even urinated on her because of her headscarf.
To add to this, German Arbeitsamt calculated that 10% of refugees are immediately "useful" on the German labour market. 8% have work after one year. Even after a decade at 70% it is still lower than the average.
HAHAHAHAHA. You know I was in Oslo over New Years for 2 weeks. Your city is FULL of Somalians and Hijams and by FULL I mean FULL. Germany is nothing compared to what I've seen, so plz hold your tongue.
Yeah I guess those things didn't happen to your country...
I would call the current situation radical humanism.
We can help some people but of the cost of our own safety.
I think we need an immigration law like Canada. You gather points for skills and experience and when you got enough you can immigrate here.
Fact is that to sustain our country as it is now we need to avoid a population decline. But I would rather take in skilled labour than welfare refugees.
t. Aleman en Colombia
Does this sounds like a law?
I just want to mention that I get very fast to feel ill talking to a person with very low mental capabilities.
I simply believe that there should be a filter for people as you.
Literally nothing changed.
And what is the point of this shit board anyway when there is /pol/? I don't get it. Why talk about the same shit on two boards?
>a bunch of germans get raped
lol who cares
germans are disgusting
germans in america are just dirt farmers that live in the fly over states, hell the amish germans still live in the dark ages.
look at this thread not even the germans care about germany.
this is 100% true. The general public here does not give a shit anything outside their fucking language.
Those that can speak English are this countries' educated masses that will most likely not waste their time on boards such as 4chan.
Although, it's fun to pretend for shits and giggles.
kek for real, if a bunch of muslims raped a woman they'd get an ak shot to the liver and then get chained to a pipe and left there dying in agony for 4 to 6 hours while stomach acids cook him alive
they would also pull his nails and force him to eat his own balls
>allowing immigrants to go around raping people
for what purpose.... over here football hooligans would drown them all in pig blood, while government wouldnt even try to prevent it
>What is the actual feeling towards migrants in Germany now? Has the Cologne incident changed the way people think now, or is it all overblown by the media?
I don't remember it ever being very positive. We always kinda liked Italians and Greeks because they tend to pen pretty great restaurants, otherwise people tend to dislike immigrants. Not all of them but most definately most I ever had to do with.
The incidents in Cologne mostly showcases a failure of our law enforcement and a type of organized crime previously unknown here. I don't think the "overblown" is really the right word here. Mostly the media seems to try to subtly pander to nationalists while keeping up a politically correct appearance. I guess they don't want to have the current establishment in favour of immigration against them while at the same time trying to suck up to the likely future establishment that will be against immigration.
Every once in a month they try to steal bubble gums from the store, sure.... but they know they would be found dead with multiple skull fractures, and that police investigation would conclude it was a suicide. They have their teeth kicked out if they are caught pickpocketing.
They beg and they stink, that's pretty much it.
>The violence on New Year's Eve was not different from that during any other big-scale celebration in the city, according to Tanja.
>"People are insisting on making this a political story, trying to shift the focus on pro- or anti-refugees. But in fact, no one is listening to what we have to say - the women who have been suffering from this violence in the streets on a daily basis long before refugees even came here," she says.
>The violence on New Year's Eve was not different from that during any other big-scale celebration in the city, according to Tanja. "Because refugees are now a burning topic, the media all of a sudden report about these events, but what nobody wants to admit is that these things happen all the time. I'm sorry to break this to you, but German-born men also harass and rape."
There is no problem with refugees!
There is a problem with law enforcement!
Criminals in Germany dont fear the law, because German LE is like "try our best to persuade them to become a better person".
Why cant America send a bunch of niggershooting cops to teach their police how to deal with shit?
It's not as bad as he makes it out to be. At least one woman was raped, but for now it's mostly about groping and small harassment.
What's more disturbing is that it wasn't just a singular event or a small group of men on the prowl, it involved at least 1000 men who spoke "neither English nor German" according to a British tourist.
Newspeak. Foreigners became immigrants, immigrants became migrants, migrants became refugees.
>Feminists have fought for years to make streets safer so women don't have to protected when outside and can wear what they like.
This will literally only be possible under a police state. And such a state has curfews anyway.
>German expecting solidarity from others
Have you learned nothing? Others hate us. They hate us with a passion. For our standard of living, for our exports, for our soft power and how we use it, for rising out of the ashes of firebombing like a phoenix and for countless other things. In the eyes of other Europeans we will always be the ugly Germans. So stop trying to get empathy from others. Be German. Be proud and hard.
I live in Berlin. The last time I witnessed a crime in my life was a white teenage girl stealing a flask of perfume in a mall. That was more than 5 years ago. Since the refugee crisis I see more and more foreigners. I have yet to see one of them misbehave. Though about two years ago I saw drunk Russians and Poles on the S-Bahn (different incidents). The Russians were just drunk, a little loud, but generally still well behaved and under control. The Poles were completely wasted and slept on the seats, occupying a lot of space unnecessary.
Ahhh the good ol "I've never experienced it so it doesn't exist" comment
I hate saying this, but Spaniard is right. A key part of the event was the fact that the women were crying for help to an ineffectual and undermanned police force.
Of course, Germany was so nice for the past few decades that it basically didn't need one. But that's going to change.
She's right. Nobody really cares about sexual assault or harassment. The mere fact that foreigners might be involved is what makes this a social media frenzy. When news report how our own homegrown white Hells Angels or other white crime gangs engage in human trafficking and forced prostitution noone gives a fuck. It doesn't get one hundreth the attention. It's not about protecting the victims. It's an "event" that enable people to use it as cover to live out their long held racism more or less publicly.
Niggashooting police dindunuffin
You don't think the sheer numbers of perpetrators is a factor at all?
Nobody cares about shop lifting here but when there was packs of 100+ teens running in malls to steal shit it was top news because of the amount of people involved
You're too stupid to hover your mouse over the backlink in order to realize that I was asked about my personal experiences so I answered accordingly? Wow. Americans, ladies aand gentlemen.
I had a mate with Polish ancestry when I served as a conscript in the Bundeswehr, so I know what Polish sounds like. And they spoke Polish to each other when authorities woke then up.
I read through. My comment still stands. You don't have to be angry annoy the news too acknowledge facts.
It doesn't affect you personally though so you don't give a shit is pretty much what you said throughout the string of comments.
Maybe if you had female family that you cared about you would think differently.
I think Germans were never so positive about immigrans, see pic
>You don't think the sheer numbers of perpetrators is a factor at all?
The number hasn't even been established yet. News media has, of course, picked up and published the higest estimate of bystanders who, like the victims, were under the influence, so their acoount may be a little inaccurate, to be polite. This highest number was "up to 1000". But the Chinese whispers game does its part. So I've already read in this very thread about "at least 1000". Last I checked (this morning) a whole seven (7) guys were in custody. Talk about blowing things out of proportion.
>Nobody cares about shop lifting here but when there was packs of 100+ teens running in malls to steal shit it was top news because of the amount of people involved
I think you call it Black Friday. How many deaths does it cause each year? What's worse, dying or being sexually harassed? But what gets more attention? What causes more social media outrage? And why is that?
Stop being so American and start using the grey mass between your ears for once.
>My comment still stands.
You mean you insist on displaying your own stupidit publicly. What part of 'I answered to a request for information about personal experiences' did you not understand?
Did I hurt your feelings by pointing to regular events in your country which are objectively far worse yet don't get nearly the same attention, don't cause nearly the same outrage? You've been found out and try to divert. Pathetic.
I'm not the guy you're talking to but Black Friday is nowhere near as bad as groups of foreigners running through your country raping women while your government allows hundreds of thousands more in. Black Friday is kind of embarrassing, but what happened at Cologne is disgraceful.
Lol people die from stupid shit all the time, there's nothing you can really do about that. Even glorious Europeans chimp out and kill each other over soccer matches. What makes Cologne worse than Black Friday is the complete failure of the government and police force to adequately protect their own citizens. In fact, by covering it up, they seemingly care more about foreign invaders than they do their own people. Say what you will about the American government, they still mostly put the lives of Americans over foreigners.
I'll take Black Friday over Cologne any day.
The thing about Black Friday is I can avoid it if I want to. I don't have to go shopping and it's died down in recent years anyway now that online shopping is growing.
The only way I can avoid roving gangs of muslims in Germany is to stay away from the cities, which is accepting defeat.
>seven guys in custody
>task force of 80 policemen formed
>will get talked down
>The thing about Black Friday is I can avoid it if I want to. I don't have to go shopping
Going shopping is much more of a necessity than celebrating NYE. So that's another point you make to support my argument.
You're fucking deluded if you think that Black Friday accidents with few casualities are way worse than organized groups of hundreds of people committing numerous cases of sexual offenses, even going as far as rape. The most outraging parts about this incident is that even though the police was present, they reported nothing and claimed a peaceful celebration took place, which shows that our executive failed in protecting its citizens and basically admits government failure.
Not really lol
Like the other anon said the difference is I can avoid black friday by simply not participating.
Even though you keep mentioning it and ignoring the fact that I never mentioned black friday in the first place, I was talking about a string of thefts by groups of teens.
YEAH CAUSE YOU CAN ONLY SHOP THE DAY AFTER THANKSGIVING. Also most stores hire security, and set aside black friday aisles from other merchandise now.
I love how when an American says something that doesn't sit well with you and we're all dumb but German women get raped and groped by swarming men and its MUH REFUGEES
So when are you going to adress my point that media attention is unbalanced because nobody cares about the actual victims and everybody who rages about Cologne but was silent when reports came that Hells Angel engage in human trafficking and forced prostitution is just using Cologne as vehicle to live out their logn held racism pubicly, because it appear to be ok now?
I'll do it now. The Cologne attacks, and attacks in different cities as well casued such an uproar because the media and the executive tried to cover them up. ZDF even apologized after they realized their mistake of not reporting it. Also a big difference is the sheer number of victims. Appearently 80 reported assaults, which does not even include the unreported cases, only in Cologne. Hells Angels etc. also commit atrocious crimes, but it involves mostly fewer victims as far as I know.
>simply not participating
...in NYE celebrations. Bingo!
What an argument. I'm sure the relatives of those who were trampled to death at Black Friday are really relieved now, eh?
>I was talking about
And I was talking about things being blown out of proportion as a telltale sign of virulent racism. You complain that I don't cover your area of interest when you didn't cover my area of interest? How hypocritical.
>YEAH CAUSE YOU CAN ONLY SHOP THE DAY AFTER THANKSGIVING.
The regularity of deaths might lead some to think there's something very wrong here. But no, it doesn't get as much media attention. You know why? Can't blame foreigners. That's the only reason Cologne is getting any attention. As if it were about the victims. pfft. It's a modern day witch hunt. nothing more.
>because the media and the executive tried to cover them up
Bullshit. It's because peole said they looked like arabs or north africans. It's pure racism.
>ZDF even apologized
And got praise for that. So it's NOT the reason you think causes outrage. It's just dirty racism.
>Also a big difference is the sheer number of victims.
You show me the outrage when news report that Hells Angels engage in human trafficking and forced prostitution. There is none. You know why? Can't blame foreigners.
Pure, unfiltered racism.
>Hells Angels etc. also commit atrocious crimes, but it involves mostly fewer victims as far as I know.
You know shit! Because you don't care what white people do to white people or what white people do to brown people. You couldn't be bothered to even look up the numbers. You only care what brown people do to white people. Racist.
>Wer nicht hören will, muss fühlen, as we'd say, meaning who doesn't want to listen has to learn it the hard way.
All memes aside this statement not about germans in current refugees problem context.
>Bullshit. It's because peole said they looked like arabs or north africans. It's pure racism.
There is nothing to back that up. In my case, and the people I've asked regarding this topic, they're outraged at our Police.
>And got praise for that. So it's NOT the reason you think causes outrage. It's just dirty racism.
They apologized BECAUSE alot of people were outraged and screamed "Lügenpresse" again.
>You show me the outrage when news report that Hells Angels engage in human trafficking and forced prostitution. There is none. You know why? Can't blame foreigners.
Pure, unfiltered racism.
You show me the statistics regarding crimes commited by Hells Angels in ONE NIGHT.
>You know shit! Because you don't care what white people do to white people or what white people do to brown people. You couldn't be bothered to even look up the numbers. You only care what brown people do to white people. Racist.
Again, care to back that up with numbers?
I'd agree with you that this gets attention because of who has done it. When Hell's Angels do shit, the press doesn't care because it's to be expected. This is a scandal and thus sells.
Still doesn't change the fact that they did it, and that there will be consequences.
>You've got a choice to make, Fritz. Either you push this cancer out of your country in the next decade or so, or your granddaughter will have her clitoris carved out of her body with a razor and live her life as a beast of burden. Be hard. Lose your pity, and save your country.
And then get bombed by Americans on their never ending struggle to defend freedom all over the world...
>There is nothing to back that up. In my case, and the people I've asked regarding this topic, they're outraged at our Police.
wow you try to support your claim of outrage because of an alleged media coverup by pointing to people who are outrage at the police? Are you retarded?
>They apologized BECAUSE alot of people were outraged
No they apologized that they held back their report in the hope of getting more definitive info shortly, which they deemed a mistake afterwards as they saw that other media outlets didn't wait. Not because some CT nuts on twitter went apeshit.
>You show me the statistics regarding crimes commited by Hells Angels in ONE NIGHT.
You show me the statistics of Cologne. As of now we have ZERO convictions. Mere allegations of "up to 1000" don't make a crime. But such statements serve very well for racists to rage against.
>Again, care to back that up with numbers?
Yeah. Everyone who is outraged at Cologne has to back their outrage up with numbers. How many have been convicted? Come back when you can back up the numbers that cause YOUR outrage with hard proof.
As I said, last I checked, which was this morning, they had 7 guys in custody. It remains to be seen how many of them will be charged and convicted, if any. We still live in a rule of law state, even though racists are already engaging in mob justice.
>racists are already engaging in mob justice.
They aren't though? I haven't heard anything of people burning down refugee camps or lynching immigrants yet. You seem to be doing fine on the doing nothing hasty front.
germany has become new laughing stock of europe.
your government soft power is diminishing every single day.
your people are weak and unable to do anything by themselves
your going to be extinct. and you won't do nothing about it.
>wow you try to support your claim of outrage because of an alleged media coverup by pointing to people who are outrage at the police? Are you retarded?
I've claimed a police, which I referred to as executive, and media coverup.
>No they apologized that they held back their report in the hope of getting more definitive info shortly, which they deemed a mistake afterwards as they saw that other media outlets didn't wait. Not because some CT nuts on twitter went apeshit.
Why did they think it was a mistake to not publish it earlier? Because it caused a public outrage.
>You show me the statistics of Cologne. As of now we have ZERO convictions. Mere allegations of "up to 1000" don't make a crime. But such statements serve very well for racists to rage against.
As far as I know, 3 guys have been arrested. Since the police didn't act directly on-site, there probably won't be alot of convictions. However since this is an ongoing investigation and not only exclusive to Cologne we can expect more convictions.
>I've claimed a police, which I referred to as executive, and media coverup.
The disappointment in the police work I grant you. That's genuine and understandable. But the Lügenpresse shouters are the usual suspects that try to hijack the discussion for their means.
>Why did they think it was a mistake to not publish it earlier? Because it caused a public outrage.
No, because they cold see that other news outlets deemed the information available at that time as newsworthy enough and didn't wait. They apologized for their journalistic false estimation, for unprofessonalism so to speak. Not because of the Twittersphere.
>As far as I know, 3 guys have been arrested.
Seven to my knowledge. And all one can do is wait and see what investigations will show. I'm against stealing and sexual harassment and wish that every perpetrator will get justice. But I won't engage in a witch hunt. Especially since so little definitive is known yet and everybody uses it for projecting their own fears and insecurities.
Where's the outrage about Hamburg? Similar things are said to have happened there. Yet nobody there said that they looked arab or north african. And hence nobody cares. That's telling.
Maybe not but I've read around a bit on the big German news sites and most of the articles are all about how this isn't about refugees and that you can't blame whole groups for this and all that crap.
With the Rotherham story at least I remember reading some articles where the author was genuinely mad and called out the whole PC bullshit for what it is. Can't find anything like that in (mainstream) German media.
So far, I agree with most of your statements, except for the last one. Cologne was only the first stage of the whole incident due to them being covered earlier and seeming to involve a higher quantity of victims and perpetrators. My local newspapers leading article today was the revelation of similar cases in Frankfurt during new years celebrations. I presume that the cases in Frankfurt and Hamburg will closely relate to those in Cologne, and we can expect the same suspects. However, that's just an expectation and we have to keep track of the upcomming results of the investigation before making premature conclusions.
>grasping for straws
Men are obviously over-represented, and so are young people. Income, and the neighbourhoos donot matter:
The impact of neighbourhood deprivation on adolescent violent criminality and substance misuse: A longitudinal, quasi-experimental study of the total Swedish population
"Results In the crude model, an increase of 1 SD in neighbourhood deprivation was associated with a 57% increase in the odds of being convicted of a violent crime (95% CI 52%–63%). The effect was greatly attenuated when adjustment was made for a number of observed confounders (OR 1.09, 95% CI 1.06–1.11). When we additionally adjusted for unobserved familial confounders, the effect was no longer present (OR 0.96, 95% CI 0.84–1.10). Similar results were observed for substance misuse. The results were not due to poor variability either between neighbourhoods or within families.
Conclusions We found that the adverse effect of neighbourhood deprivation on adolescent violent criminality and substance misuse in Sweden was not consistent with a causal inference. Instead, our findings highlight the need to control for familial confounding in multilevel studies of criminality and substance misuse. "
NOTHIGN WILL CHANGE GERMANY IS 80% BOOMERS AND OLD PEOPLE THEY WILL VOTE THE KEKS AGAIN AND AGAIN UNTIL THEY ARE DEAD AND BY THEN THE ARABS AND AFGHANS WILL HAVE ACHIEVED SO GREAT NUMBERS THAT ITS OVER NO MATTER THE VOTES
I've got 3 German couples in my little town here in the North.
One of them came to the flat below me so we as a good Portuguese went there to say hi to give food and welcome them. Nice people. We had to speak most in English since they speak 0 Portuguese. They are already in classes to learn Portuguese and so are there children. I also help one their relatives who came here to study at a university.
Thing is most of them are recent (past 1/2 years) and I never fully understood it.
Well after bonding with them and regular dinners and nights in the bars I got the guts to ask why. So I asked
>Thomas, from Tomás to Thomas (I have a Portuguese version of that name), why did you leave Germany?Most people here want to immigrate
And he well.. he spoke for a long time. Said the mood could be cut with a knife. There was already tension in some cities before the refugee crisis. He says now it is unbearable. He wants his daughters to grow up safe. He went berserk at the news of rapes in new years eve. He said it already had happened with Turks something similar but the police basically muffled it. Basically he took his money and searched for a "quite place in Europe with Europeans". He had friends who went to Croatia. Others to the Faroe Islands.
Honestly; this is madness.
We completely fucked up with the EU and its policies.
Best of luck to you Germans, things seem to be getting wilder by the day there.
We also know that sexual offending is atleast partly genetic:
Sexual offending runs in families: A 37-year nationwide study
"Results: We found strong familial aggregation of sexual crime [odds ratio (OR)=5.1, 95% confidence interval (CI)=4.5–5.9] among full brothers of convicted sexual offenders. Familial aggregation was lower in father-son dyads (OR=3.7, 95% CI=3.2–4.4) among paternal half-brothers (OR=2.1, 95% CI=1.5–2.9) and maternal half-brothers (OR=1.7, 95% CI=1.2–2.4). Statistical modelling of the strength and patterns of familial aggregation suggested that genetic factors (40%) and non-shared environmental factors (58%) explained the liability to offend sexually more than shared environmental influences (2%). Further, genetic effects tended to be weaker for rape of an adult (19%) than for child molestation (46%).
Conclusions: We report strong evidence of familial clustering of sexual offending, primarily accounted for by genes rather than shared environmental influences. Future research should possibly test the effectiveness of selective prevention efforts for male first-degree relatives of sexually aggressive individuals, and consider familial risk in sexual violence risk assessment. "
D'accord. And two remarks: 1) We don't see allegations of media coverup in case of Hamburg and Frankfurt, even though things were reported even after Cologne.
2) Hamburg and Frankfurt may have the same group or race of suspects - we don't know. But there hasn't been such a statement yet and attention by media and social media is far lower.
And where do we find actual rape culture? Africa and the Middle East:
I wish I could see it the same as you. If I compare it with what the immigants we got last year have been doing or have been accused of doing I find 600 very high. It includes many cases of arson and bodily harm.
It's true that modern Germany is indeed a country that's comparably good for immigrants and generally friendly towards strangers. But things like these always have a strong echo for obvious reasons.
Well I hope they don't come in mass to here.
Portugal is Portugal with his flaws and all.
But of course I prefer them the PALOP one's and the rest.
If they behave like Ukrainians here they will be fine. Nice addition.
>„Am Vorplatz und der Domtreppe befanden sich einige Tausend meist männliche Personen mit Migrationshintergrund, die Feuerwerkskörper jeglicher Art und Flaschen wahllos in die Menschenmenge feuerten bzw. warfen“, schreibt der Polizist.
And 'll say it again: You're a dumbass.
Here is an old study:
Ethnic Minorities, Crime, and Criminal Justice in Germany
Clear over-representation. Of course it would be great if there would be more recent studies, but seeing how squemish the German authorities are about the connection between ethnicity and crime its no wonder there arent many.
I do have studies from other european countries which also show a clear over-representation.