What do you think of this?
Most of ethnical Polish intellectuals was killed in such actions like this:
The rest was eliminated by Russians.
The only intellectuals we have today are children and grandchildren of Jewish-Polish communists who ruled this country after 1945.
If i were you, i wouldnt laugh at their intellectual abilities so hard, because this percent of them who were kicked out from Poland in 1968, helped to installed multikulti in your countries, probably against your will.
Polish intellectuals gonna repeat their history.
Gracias. Esta imagen rara de Kate yo te doy
If our country wasn't destroyed for 123 years of Russian-German occupation, total wars annihilating 30% of our population (and over 80% of upper class), 45 years of communism, we would be today the richest country in Europe. Because we are as smart as Germans.
Today we still struggle in circumstances of total domination of Western corporations and capital over our economy, which slows down and deprives economical and social growth of our country. But nothing lasts forever. Russia is weak and vulnerable today, maybe some day we will be able to say the same about our Western oppresors
>French scientist from Russian Empire
Actually only koPiernik :DD
>10000 ppl in total
>30 millions country
Yep, this is Poland
>Actually only koPiernik :DD
Heweliusz was a Pole though.
Also, most inteligentsia and elites in Russian Empire were Poles from the Commonwealth, since Russia killed their own elites since 1400
>Also, most inteligentsia and elites in Russian Empire were Poles from the Commonwealth
Smells like another local Polish meme to me :^)
Also, most of the Polish elite were Germans, since Polish had tails and lived on the trees till late1800s
Remember that the Soviet Government gave independence to your country after collapse of old Russian Empire. We always had to do the job you could not finish by your primitive brains :^)
>Remember that the Soviet Government gave independence to your country after collapse of old Russian Empire
Is this what they teach in Russian history books?
It was the German Empire and Austria-Hungary first. They lost the war and so did Russia, so we got ourselves independence from all three countries. We kicked out the Russians in 1920.
>Russia will never prosper because "da west is ebil praise pootin"
>They're jelly as fuck about Poland because things are getting better there after their westernisation
No, this is the historical facts. Yes, we study it in school.
Soviets recognised Poland as independent state on 17th of December in 1917 (not in 1920 as you wrote).
If Soviets wanted, they could occupy you again without any problems :^)
>If Soviets wanted, they could occupy you again without any problems :^)
You did have problems though. You got assraped by us. And then you cries for Germany's help, like you always do. Typical Russian tactic, can't win against their older brother, so they have to call other kids to outnumber him.
>things are getting better there after their westernisation
Actually Poland is one of the few examples of how things are getting beter after "westernisation".
Look at Baltic states, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, Greece, Czechoslovakia etc
Also, what I find funny is that a country that appeared after a huge time gap on the map, with poor parts like galicia, western belarus and only good parts that were german had almost the same gdp as Russia which was 1000000 times bigger than Poland, with more resources, wasn't the battlefield for WW1 and wasn't partitioned.
How the fuck does that even happen?
Are Russians really that much inferior?
Daily reminder that Poland > Russia any day
The fact there was Soviet-Polish war does not deny the fact that that was the Soviet government among first in the world who recognised independent Polish state.
But "hurr durr evil Russkies" brainwashed Polish people will never understand this simple fact :^)
They all look like they're doing great though
>Accepting the fact only Germanised parts of Poland were good for living
>claiming others inferior
>being inferior fitself or the whole history
Your map shows we were better than you in both 1938 and 2016 (considering double devalvation of Rouble which will recover and adjust).
Nie zapominaj ziomeczku, że w walkach z twoim chujowym kraikem Polską brała udział tylko garstka sił bolszewickich. Prowadzili w tym samym czasie walki na kilku frontach i każdy był ważniejszy niż twoje burackie państwo. Doucz się historii zanim zaczniesz pisać brednie jak typowy polski smieć. I nie fatyguj się odpisywać pajacu bo ja mam rację a ty nie.
pozdrawiam, Niemiec z Opola
Russia is a bigger country with more resources and has almost the same gdp as Poland. Patethic.
O czym ty pierdolisz, "Niemcu"?
Najważniejsze było zdeptanie Polski i pójście na zachód, ty durna niedouczona kurwo. Albo naucz sie lepiej nęcić albo wypierdalaj i zostaw to lepszym.
>You got obliterated in the war with us
>war is of 1920
>sovereign state was accepted in 1917
Polond, stop making me laugh
Yep, they were the heroes.
Doesn't matter. At least they wouldn't murder Poles like Bolsheviks did.
Tak jak mówiłem, podbicie Polski było kluczowe, żeby pójsc dalej.
Jakby przeszli po Polsce to byłby koniec dla zachodu, tym bardziej biorąc pod uwage jak silne byly komunistyczne partie w UK, Francji i Niemczech.
>Russia could have become civilized like rest of Europe did
If being civilized means being slowly rotting due to arabisation and low locals fertility rate then no. Better to stay as we are.
Dont forget in soviet times 25% of world engineers were working in Soviet Union. It was far more civilized than the whole eastern europe nowadays. You are agricultural states who does all dirty jobs all around western europe.
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I wonder if there's been any other example in history, when more backward country colonised the more advanced one, like it was in the subjugation of Central Europe by the USSR
Why does Russian influence equal corruption and lagging behind?
to akurat mit. Socialisci byli silni w Niemczech i w mniejszym stopniu we Francji, ale Francuscy socjalisci to w zdecydowanej większosci popeliny w rodzaju Sartre'a (dzisiejsza zbuntowana młodzież w rurkach). Rewolucja zostałaby zdławiona.
Just look at Moldova and Ukraine if you want to see effects of Russian influence. And check the HIV/AIDS rates in Eastern Europe. We are indeed untermenschen but kacaps are some sort of super shit untermenschen. They are cattle who was always ruled by foreigners, and they turn everything to dystopian shit.
No you fuckwit. Russians are the victims of being ruled by foreginers that see them as untermenshen. When Russians will shake up and embrace democracy they will be finally free of their burden and with them all of eastern europe will be free of the Russian menace
First of all, 50% of the bolsheviks army is just not true.
Second, bolsheviks army consisted mostly of stupid peasants who tried to revenge against "imperialists", while the real officers were busy fighting in WW1 and then being prosecuted on their own land.
Actually Russia was never ruled by non-Russians.
If you mean kings, they were treating themselves as 100% Russians in their memoires. Converting to Orthodox and changing name to Russian was obligatory to enter our elite. Just dynasty marriage was a kind of normal in those days. Check your own kings like Stephen Báthory who even could not speak Polish. Or British/Dutch/whatever royals who were just a mix of different nations.
>arabisation and low fertility rates
If you think that's what would have happened.
>25% of world engineers were working in soviet union
that's not really a measure of civilization, especially that soviet technology still ended up outpaced and reliant on stolen tech to a large degree. That's not to say you didn't have many brilliant scientists and engineers, if even to be able to interpret and modify the tech on relatively short notice or to come up with your own inventions. At the end of the day though the planned economy turned out to be much less effective and efficient than market ones, and required shit system of governance that had nothing to do with working class. Stifling initiative and independent thinking also hurt it badly.
I wonder how a less rigid system, directed more by genuine interest in common good over desire to retain power, system that would allow new ideas to challenge old ones without fear of getting smothered by bureacracy or old farts frightened of being replaced, would fare.
>you are agricultural states
you don't know as much as you seem to think you do, lad.
In a vehicle designed by a hohol :^)
Actually Ukraine in Soviet times was much wealthier than nowadays with their new "pro europenean" goverment.
Every time EU/US trying make a "democratic" color revolution they turn country into a deep shit. Look at Iraq, Ukraine, Lebanon, Syria etc
Who were choosen as a good wife-candidate due to political situation of thoose time. Then raised in Russia in Russian traditions. Actually that was her who were considering herself 100% Russian in her own memories.
Also, she was one of the worst kings in terms of civil rights. it says a lot about backwarded Europenean culture of thoose times.
Gee I fucking wonder why that is, probably not because your country is actively destabilizing and waging war against it or anything.
Get fucked Ivan
Yes, it was. Read about Novgorod, Pskov republic, Vladimir-Suzdal republic and so on.
All were founded by proto-slavic tribes who later became Russians as we known today. And conquested all these tribes which are known as Baltic/Finland/Poland countries nowadays :^)
Sure not because europe organised another military coup and failed. Compare Ukranian GDP before and after western-supported revolution in 2014 and feel the result of westernisation.
>Actually Ukraine in Soviet times was much wealthier than nowadays with their new "pro europenean" goverment.
It's pretty dishonest to pretend that Ukraine is shit now because it has pro-EU government and not because it has to deal with Russians (and occasional chechen) deliberately fucking the place up.
If you wanted to be honest you would compare development of Poland and Ukraine after soviet union collapsed: Poland decided to go towards EU accession while Ukraine chose to keep its ties with Russia. Poland had (and to some extent still has, just like we do) problems with ex-security people having strong positions in business and politics, but the overall development went elsewhere.
Perhaps with us it was just to keep up appearances before EU institutions, but in Ukraine there was literally nothing to keep this kind of people in check.
They aren't westernized nor EU members yet because they're in a war with you.
If the country gets more stable and peaceful then it can begin to grow.
Ukraine is fucked because of russian backed terrorists and russian invasion.
>that's not really a measure of civilization
GDP or minimal wage is not a measure of civilization neither.
Also murrican technologies are reliant on stolen german tech to a large degree. Even nowadays they continue to import engineers from all over the world.
As well as GDP of western countries relies on their colonial robbing of the whole world back to 1600s and their huge debts in 2016.
>they're in a war with you.
We don't even know they are figthing with us :^)
If they were, they would be defeated already.
They are in war with their own civils who dont accept new puppet government. And few "volunteers" from Russia, who are appearently enough to almost defeat all Ukranian army :^)
>GDP or minimal wage is not a measure of civilization neither.
I agree, it's not. Although it's much easier to have high GDP and wage if you've got decent civilisation, and if you look at countries with high GDP per capita without having something that would pass for civilized society, you'll see that they get their GDP from trading away their resources to the developed countries.
>Also murrican technologies are reliant on stolen german tech to a large degree. Even nowadays they continue to import engineers from all over the world.
Well, it's true a lot of engineers and scientists will go there because they have better access to money there. But their system does allow those engineers and scientists excel and profit from their work.
>As well as GDP of western countries relies on their colonial robbing of the whole world back to 1600s and their huge debts in 2016.
You're right that colonialism and leeching resources from rest of the world helped prop western countries up, but it's their use of those resources that allowed it to stay relevant and advance. Today the trade retains some signs of colonial exploitation in that it still has resources funneling to the more powerful (richer) countries, and pushes poorer countries to offer cheap labour. However it also allows these countries to develop using compensation they now get for their resources. Some of the countries are handling this better than others.
As for debt, well importance of debt is overrated. It's not a good thing to allow it to grow this huge, but it's not the disaster it's played out to be.
>And conquested all these tribes which are known as Baltic/Finland/Poland countries nowadays :
Poland is older than Russia though.
And tribes that created Poland predate Roman Empire.
You would be surprised, but many asians consider themselves much more civilized than your country. And Russia by itself had recent impact on humanity developmuch bigger than half of the Europe.
It's just a question of the last decades we've been recovering from communism.
Modern europeneans could not reach Roman Empire level (which modern europeneans actually destroyed) for almost one thousand years. And when you reached you brought slavery, fascism, communism and other shit into this world.
You're not the one who can teach us how to be civilised :^) Even in Soviet Union women got vote right way before many EU countries, not saying that we've never had segregation laws like US till 1960s
>It's been proven several times
Oh really. I saw some fake stories and photoshops.
If Russia really invaded, then why Deutchen has to fake stories and not just show us facts and tanks and real troops?
I can google US invasion to Iraq and find a lot of information. Way more than about "Russian invasion" to Ukraine.
All of them fake western propoganda blyat )))))
Well, I hope you will finally recover soon to the point where you can actually say you are civilised now and not have to resort to saying that you used to be, once. Egypt could say the same.
Czechoslovakia had female suffrage right from the beginning too
It's kind of entertaing seeing Russians with superiority complex
The more backward shithole a country is, the prouder its people feel
Basically this proves there are some special groups of Russian forces operating. No one denies it. And they are fighting the whole Ukranian army.
Do you really think few thousands of Russians can hold against an army? Thanks for the compliment :^)
Next time come here with real proofs of tank groups/aircrafts or other things which usually taken as army invasion.
Depends what you mean saying "civilised".
I've been to Greece and Turkey recently. They both look less civilised to me. One of those countries is EU member, another one is EU candidate. Come on :^)
Check how europenean or american system of those times looked like. Inb4: segregation non-whites, colonies, fascism.
There's been whole Russian tank groups fighting on behalf of rebels and then just pull back
This happens whenever separatists are routed by Ukrainian counter-offensive
Putin is going to reheat Ukrainian frozen conflict if he wants to apply political pressure
>There's been whole Russian tank groups fighting
>posted by ukranian user https://www.bellingcat.com/author/askai707/
>originally posted in free blog service
Really you're bying it. Next time bring here some serious information. Maybe OSCE observers who are there all the time.
All information is open source
You check it by yourself
Or this investigation Vice News, also using social media
>we are as smart as germans
The reason we fucked you up was because we were brilliant while poland is the working class country. Maybe you're intelligent but more practically and cleverly driven, not geniusly or creatively.
Ok, vice and free blogging services.
That a good proof, my friend! These 2 stories are circulating all around for 1.5 years already. Very strong evidence of army invasion in the center of the Europe :^)
Now come closer to your monitor to see how real proof and real army invasion looks like.
You forgot your picture, ziomek