Hey /balk/ what did they teach you in history class about the bulgarian empire?
We learned(roughly speaking)
>At it's height it was one of the 4 superpowers on the european continent together with Franks, Kievan Rus, Byzantines
> Fell because of disunity and traitorous bolyars
>Were the first "barbarians" to desicively defeat heir of the roman empire
Russian here. Grew up in Bulgaria, however. Bumping for interest.
Wow cool. I'm thinking of moving to russia to study and because I love the food, girls, politics, technology and culture(for us russians are just north bulgarians who became so powerful because of our statehood and culture;)
Did you grow up during socialism or are you one of those oligarchfags that are reunning away from putin?
A fine idea. If there's one thing that hasn't changed in Russia since the USSR and is still top-notch, that's education.
It's neither actually - I was born in the 90s. My parents moved to Bulgaria after the USSR collapsed, because otherwise they would have ended up in the middle of the shitstorm in Ukraine today (Lugansk, to be exact). I was raised Soviet, but as a Bulgarian (and EU) citizen, it's easier and for me for now more realistic to study in Germany. Planning on one day moving back to the motherland, though.
he was a pegan
he only did it because the byzantine emperor invade one of his cities (sofia i think, which was originally byzantine before krum captured it)
it was generic banter tho, at one point a byzantine emperor blinded thousands of bulgarian prisoners, leaving every few hundred a one eyed to guide them home. when the bulgarian emperor saw that he supposedly had a hearth attack and died
also krum didn't exactly drink from the skull, he made a byzantine drink from it, i think either a messenger or another royal, i don't remember
we became christian because byzantines didn't have too many other enemies to fight, so they could concentrate on us, and rekt us a lot
also cyril and methodius created their alphabet for the slavs, so the bible could be translated into it, to make slavs christian. but the alphabet we use today was written not by them, but by the disciples of cyril, maybe about 11 guys, don't know if bulgarian greek or what
btw there is also speculation that even during "great old" bulgaria our rulers were christian, since they p much all studied / grew up in constantinopole. and the conversion was more one of the people, not the monarchy
no doubt but tbf, even the source didn't include just 300 Spartans but a greater greek force, the "300" part is just iconic.
not direct disciples probably but yeah, Bulgarians associated with Preslav. Ohrid preferred the actual Cyrilomethodian script, the Glagolitic.
the blinding of thousands via eye removal may be unfactual
i was at the Belashtian monastery where the blinded warriors decided to stop, rest and clean up. apparently they washed their eyes and "started seeing" again, or that's what the tales tell.
however, the lady who was doing the tour said the stuff in the books about samuil's warriors being blinded by eye removal is heavily disputed
volga bulgars were p much destroyed by the tatars, and later by the communists
it's like a macedonian saying he's bulgarian or smth. these are prob the most legit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuvash_people
there are some documentaries, their traditional clothing is similar to ours and so are the traditions, but could be just because slavic. there are some people who claim to be the "real bulgarians", speak a turkic language and are pagans and look mongoloid. no one takes them seriously other than "maybe this is what we were once like"
the volga were more merchants and adopted islam and speak turkic
the danube were more warriors and adopted christianity and speak slavic
over all p different
probably just bulgar
idk, it's probably more of a muh herratige thing. pic related bulgars in moldova, ukraine and kazakstan
moldova are mostly danube guys, maybe some of ukraine too, idk about russia
there might be better ethnic census, that's all i got
Also why do some Bulgarian Tsars sound like Israeli Tsars? Tsar Samuil (and his brothers, though they didn't rule if I remember correctly - David, Moses, Aaron), Tsar Simeon, Yakov, etc. Those are Jewish names, are they not? That has bothered me for a while.
they're abrahamic / christian names imo
but one of the queens was a jew, she converted to christianity and was generally anti-semetic, built churches, etc. (possibly backstabbed us in this one fight but could just be myth idk)
i forget her name
Right, I guess that makes sense, considering Christianity's origins.
Also, not that odd, really, just to me names like Ivan, Vladimir, Boris, Mikhail (like myself) and so on make more sense. But I guess there was more Christian rather than Slavic influence there.
fuck em tbqh
they had many chances to join us, and didn't
we tried to annex them, they're ungrateful
we recognized them, and i stand by that decision
if today they have bulgarian roots, they can get citizenship easily
if they want a pro-bulgarian party, they can vote for it, and be pro-bulgarian in general. they don't
oh btw, the macedonian government hasn't done a censon in years
albo's are scares they may be less, since a lot of fakes were reigstered, from albania, kosovo, etc. and macedonians are scares the albos might be more, and would demand even more rights
My Geography teacher in Bulgaria just referred to them as West-Bulgarians. Also the dialect spoken in the town I grew up in, in South-Western Bulgaria is practically identical to "Macedonian". It's kind of hard for me to think of it as something that's a thing, that exists.
Eh, in this day and age, it's they're as Russian as it gets, so I'm cool with that. It's hard for people to think of me as anything else when I walk around with a name like Mikhail Ivanovich.
>Eh, in this day and age, it's they're as Russian as it gets, so I'm cool with that. It's hard for people to think of me as anything else when I walk around with a name like Mikhail Ivanovich.
I didn't get, you mean, everybody always think you're Russian?
i literally have never heard of the bulgarian empire before reading this thread
my name is Dimitar and everyone in the UK thought i was russian
to westerners if you're a slav you're either a pole or a russian
when they hear romanian or bulgarian they imagine a gypsy
Original Bulgars were Turkic, but those who settled at the Danube were outnumbered by the Slavs they mixed with so much, today there's nothing left of them but the name, really. That's the way I see it.
it's debatable if we were tengri to begin with, the only proofs anyone has of this is some writing on a rock, which says one of our rulers made a ritualistic sacrafice for (what we assume is) tengi. but a lot of the writing is missing, and we know there were lots of slavs who allied the bulgarians, maybe he was just doing sacrifices to all so people would like him
either way turks became muslim, i guess you betrayed your heritage as well
called it >>53131132
i'm not even OP
>nothing but the same
arguably there's some traditions left as well as words, possibly some weak mongol features on some people but that's a bit of a stretch
we're more of a slavic tribe
I don't think that's true, the last time I read about that battle was a long time ago but I don't remember reading that.
In any case, the battle was mostly lost at sea (Greek fire), but that is probably the most important loss in the history of Islam. So Bulgars should be proud.
by the way something interesting, supposedly when there was a female on the byzantime throne, the bulgarian ruler wanted to invade.
but the byzantine empress replied to his messenger, basically saying "come, but if you lose, everyone will know that you lost to a women, and if you win, everyone will know you defeated a woman"
so he decided not to attack
maybe it was another siege, or just a story
>bulgars should be proud
bulgarians are either ultra nationalists or self hating cucks. even the women
the self haters are leaving tho, or keep saying they will but never do
Bulgaria was never mentioned not even when we discussed the world wars.
The most mentioning it received was when it was shown on maps featuring the central powers and later communists states but it was never mentioned
I guess it's understandable that one cannot learn about every country ever just in school, but at least regarding WWII discussion, it should be mentioned that Bulgaria is the only country other than Denmark to refuse to deport its Jews to Germany, thus saving about 48000 people.
I thought the deal with Bulgaria was that it was a bunch of south Slavs conquered and ruled by a Turkic bulgar minority who were then culturally assimilated by their Slavic subjects and christianized by Greeks