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Hey /balk/ what did they teach you in history class about the bulgarian empire?

We learned(roughly speaking)

>At it's height it was one of the 4 superpowers on the european continent together with Franks, Kievan Rus, Byzantines

> Fell because of disunity and traitorous bolyars

>Were the first "barbarians" to desicively defeat heir of the roman empire
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Russian here. Grew up in Bulgaria, however. Bumping for interest.

pic unrelated
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>>53130810
Wow cool. I'm thinking of moving to russia to study and because I love the food, girls, politics, technology and culture(for us russians are just north bulgarians who became so powerful because of our statehood and culture;)

Did you grow up during socialism or are you one of those oligarchfags that are reunning away from putin?
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>>53131085
inb4 nato boys shit talk russia
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>>53131085
A fine idea. If there's one thing that hasn't changed in Russia since the USSR and is still top-notch, that's education.

It's neither actually - I was born in the 90s. My parents moved to Bulgaria after the USSR collapsed, because otherwise they would have ended up in the middle of the shitstorm in Ukraine today (Lugansk, to be exact). I was raised Soviet, but as a Bulgarian (and EU) citizen, it's easier and for me for now more realistic to study in Germany. Planning on one day moving back to the motherland, though.
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Who was the guy who drank from a skull?
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>>53131440
krum
he was a pegan
he only did it because the byzantine emperor invade one of his cities (sofia i think, which was originally byzantine before krum captured it)
it was generic banter tho, at one point a byzantine emperor blinded thousands of bulgarian prisoners, leaving every few hundred a one eyed to guide them home. when the bulgarian emperor saw that he supposedly had a hearth attack and died

also krum didn't exactly drink from the skull, he made a byzantine drink from it, i think either a messenger or another royal, i don't remember
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That they reaided and were a problem to the greeks and later were christianized
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>>53130705
>Hey /balk/ what did they teach you in history class about the bulgarian empire?


...
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>>53130705
Nothing. I don't remember hearing of a so called Bulgarian "empire".

Middle ages aren't a hot topic here.
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Nothing
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>>53131846
both the Krum and the Basil II stories might have actually been made up by later writers. see Angel Nikolov, Paul Stephenson
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>>53131903
we became christian because byzantines didn't have too many other enemies to fight, so they could concentrate on us, and rekt us a lot
also cyril and methodius created their alphabet for the slavs, so the bible could be translated into it, to make slavs christian. but the alphabet we use today was written not by them, but by the disciples of cyril, maybe about 11 guys, don't know if bulgarian greek or what

btw there is also speculation that even during "great old" bulgaria our rulers were christian, since they p much all studied / grew up in constantinopole. and the conversion was more one of the people, not the monarchy
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We literally don't learn anything that happens before 1914 in history class.
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>>53132006
wouldn't surprise me, tho 300 Spartans, really? point is, even if they were written at that time doesn't mean they were real to begin with.
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Great macedonians
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>>53132109
Maybe there's a bit of truth in there somewhere. Just the real story isn't as impressive/devastating, so it's decorated with all sorts of fiction to leave a mark.
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How connected are Volga Bulgars to Danube Bulgarians?
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>>53132275
When the Pechenegs invaded (or something of the sort) they separated. That was like 1400 years ago, so I wouldn't say they're very related
The Volga Bulgarians are gone anyway
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>>53132109
no doubt but tbf, even the source didn't include just 300 Spartans but a greater greek force, the "300" part is just iconic.

>>53132063
not direct disciples probably but yeah, Bulgarians associated with Preslav. Ohrid preferred the actual Cyrilomethodian script, the Glagolitic.
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>>53132006

the blinding of thousands via eye removal may be unfactual

i was at the Belashtian monastery where the blinded warriors decided to stop, rest and clean up. apparently they washed their eyes and "started seeing" again, or that's what the tales tell.

however, the lady who was doing the tour said the stuff in the books about samuil's warriors being blinded by eye removal is heavily disputed
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>>53132275
volga bulgars were p much destroyed by the tatars, and later by the communists
it's like a macedonian saying he's bulgarian or smth. these are prob the most legit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuvash_people

there are some documentaries, their traditional clothing is similar to ours and so are the traditions, but could be just because slavic. there are some people who claim to be the "real bulgarians", speak a turkic language and are pagans and look mongoloid. no one takes them seriously other than "maybe this is what we were once like"
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>>53132373
>Pechenegs
jewish kharazs

the volga were more merchants and adopted islam and speak turkic
the danube were more warriors and adopted christianity and speak slavic

over all p different
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u15Vpxvh9Q
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>>53132550
Do Volgans still exist as a separate ethnic entity? I'm not too clear
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>>53132601
>volgans
probably just bulgar
idk, it's probably more of a muh herratige thing. pic related bulgars in moldova, ukraine and kazakstan
moldova are mostly danube guys, maybe some of ukraine too, idk about russia
there might be better ethnic census, that's all i got
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Also why do some Bulgarian Tsars sound like Israeli Tsars? Tsar Samuil (and his brothers, though they didn't rule if I remember correctly - David, Moses, Aaron), Tsar Simeon, Yakov, etc. Those are Jewish names, are they not? That has bothered me for a while.
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>>53132759
they're abrahamic / christian names imo

but one of the queens was a jew, she converted to christianity and was generally anti-semetic, built churches, etc. (possibly backstabbed us in this one fight but could just be myth idk)
i forget her name
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>>53132759
I don't see what's so odd about Christians having etymologically Hebrew names...
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>>53132886
>>53132932
Right, I guess that makes sense, considering Christianity's origins.
Also, not that odd, really, just to me names like Ivan, Vladimir, Boris, Mikhail (like myself) and so on make more sense. But I guess there was more Christian rather than Slavic influence there.
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>>53132733
>tfw no bulgarians in fyrom :^)
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>>53133045
Mikhail (Michael) and Ivan (John) are just more popular in general I guess and that's why they instinctively make "more sense" but they're ultimately from Hebrew too.
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>>53133279
True. Aren't they from Greek, though? Ivan/John from [Yoan], for example?
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>>53133329

soon greece will owe more money than there is in the world, and people will think money comes from greece too
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>>53133220
fuck em tbqh
they had many chances to join us, and didn't
we tried to annex them, they're ungrateful
we recognized them, and i stand by that decision
if today they have bulgarian roots, they can get citizenship easily
if they want a pro-bulgarian party, they can vote for it, and be pro-bulgarian in general. they don't
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>>53133329
yeah, I assume Orthodox Slavs got most of their etymologically Hebrew names directly via Greek like the rest of Europeans
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>>53133329
no, they are jewish too
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>>53133404
oh btw, the macedonian government hasn't done a censon in years
albo's are scares they may be less, since a lot of fakes were reigstered, from albania, kosovo, etc. and macedonians are scares the albos might be more, and would demand even more rights
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>>53133404
My Geography teacher in Bulgaria just referred to them as West-Bulgarians. Also the dialect spoken in the town I grew up in, in South-Western Bulgaria is practically identical to "Macedonian". It's kind of hard for me to think of it as something that's a thing, that exists.

>>53133430
Eh, in this day and age, it's they're as Russian as it gets, so I'm cool with that. It's hard for people to think of me as anything else when I walk around with a name like Mikhail Ivanovich.
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>>53133622
change it to Ivanowitz for maximum shekels
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>>53133622
>Eh, in this day and age, it's they're as Russian as it gets, so I'm cool with that. It's hard for people to think of me as anything else when I walk around with a name like Mikhail Ivanovich.
I didn't get, you mean, everybody always think you're Russian?
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i literally have never heard of the bulgarian empire before reading this thread
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>>53133838
>american
>knowing anything about europe's civilization
pick one
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>>53133801
Well, yes. Because I am. And the name helps.As did my accent, though that is almost gone. I'm generally good at languages.
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>>53133801
my name is Dimitar and everyone in the UK thought i was russian
to westerners if you're a slav you're either a pole or a russian
when they hear romanian or bulgarian they imagine a gypsy
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Bulgars were Turks therefore Bulgaria is rightful Turkish clay
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>>53134926
Bulgars were Turkic, not t*rks
also that was like over a thousand yours ago
are you rightful german clay? fucking shitposters i swear on me mom
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In Turkey, people learned you were Turks who betrayed their heritage like Maygars because you stopped being tengri
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>>53130705
>4 superpowers on the european continent together with Franks, Kievan Rus, Byzantines
>Kievan Rus
lol
what kind of russcuck teacher told you that
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>Bulgarians had a state
>they attacked us and lost
>fin
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JUST
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>>53135047
t. slav squatting on turkic clay
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OP, you're a cringy underaged retard. Your taste for Russian cum is just embarassing.

I hope you kill yourself.
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Original Bulgars were Turkic, but those who settled at the Danube were outnumbered by the Slavs they mixed with so much, today there's nothing left of them but the name, really. That's the way I see it.
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>>53135100
it's debatable if we were tengri to begin with, the only proofs anyone has of this is some writing on a rock, which says one of our rulers made a ritualistic sacrafice for (what we assume is) tengi. but a lot of the writing is missing, and we know there were lots of slavs who allied the bulgarians, maybe he was just doing sacrifices to all so people would like him
either way turks became muslim, i guess you betrayed your heritage as well
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>>53135170
i've heard that we were supposed to fight on the side of the muslims, but when we arrived the muslims couldn't pay, and the byzantimes could. so we joined the byzantines instead
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>>53135187
called it >>53131132
i'm not even OP

>>53135205
>nothing but the same
arguably there's some traditions left as well as words, possibly some weak mongol features on some people but that's a bit of a stretch
we're more of a slavic tribe
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>>53135290

I don't think that's true, the last time I read about that battle was a long time ago but I don't remember reading that.

In any case, the battle was mostly lost at sea (Greek fire), but that is probably the most important loss in the history of Islam. So Bulgars should be proud.
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by the way something interesting, supposedly when there was a female on the byzantime throne, the bulgarian ruler wanted to invade.
but the byzantine empress replied to his messenger, basically saying "come, but if you lose, everyone will know that you lost to a women, and if you win, everyone will know you defeated a woman"
so he decided not to attack
>>53135423
maybe it was another siege, or just a story
>bulgars should be proud
bulgarians are either ultra nationalists or self hating cucks. even the women
the self haters are leaving tho, or keep saying they will but never do
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>>53135621
>so he decided not to attack

what a beta cuck
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>>53136115
p much
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>>53130705
Absolutely nothing
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actually almost nothing
they tell that Sviatoslav war with Bulgaria and that's all
sorry
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bulgars stronk
but not stronk enough
THE END
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Bulgaria was never mentioned not even when we discussed the world wars.

The most mentioning it received was when it was shown on maps featuring the central powers and later communists states but it was never mentioned
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>>53138081
I guess it's understandable that one cannot learn about every country ever just in school, but at least regarding WWII discussion, it should be mentioned that Bulgaria is the only country other than Denmark to refuse to deport its Jews to Germany, thus saving about 48000 people.
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>>53138262

Yes, to make sure history doesn't repeat itself
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>>53130705
nothing
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>>53130705
Nothing as it's completely irrelevant to us. Just many of the states formed in the Balkan peninsula.
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>>53130705
I knew about the Bulagrian Empire, but always learned that compared to us they were irrelvant.
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>>53138262
Same happened in Italy and Hungary until they were practically occupied/turned into puppet states.
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I thought the deal with Bulgaria was that it was a bunch of south Slavs conquered and ruled by a Turkic bulgar minority who were then culturally assimilated by their Slavic subjects and christianized by Greeks
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>>53133838
Can't sau I'm surprised.
We call Tsardom (Kingdom) though.
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>>53138262
ya, the Bulgarians only deported the Jews of the territories they occupied. truly honorable!
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