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Why is that the territory colonized by Portugal remains 1 country, and the territory colonized by Spain are now 17 different countries? Theories?
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Because Brazilians are apes
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Cabral
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Because monkeys are always together.
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Maybe spaniards hate each others
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>>53110303
>>53110252

You are really funny pablo tortillas
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>>53110228
underage!
go back to school !! you should know the anwser....
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>>53110228
Go to >>53102845
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>>53110228
how did you get so much of the land west of that line?
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because portugal is only portuguese while spain is moors castillian basque and cantaloupe
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>>53110709
Isn't it more related to the natives of South America in this case?
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>>53110709
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>>53110709
amazing post
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>>53110745
The castizos who led the revoluciones weren't native at all. Some were even Irish n' shit.
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>>53110228
Because Portugal is better than Bane
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>>53110655
Survey methods were cruder in those days.
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>>53110785
WE WUZ ARGENTINIAN N SHIET
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>>53110776
t. [aubertu barbozu]
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>>53110709
>>53110228
It has to do with territorial organization.
Brazil was very centralized and united even with Portugal, to the point that the Portuguese monarchy fled to Brazil to escape Napoleon's conquest.

Hispanic America was always divided into pretty much autonomous Virreinos, Capitanias Generales, each which gained its independence at different times.
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>>53110655
>>53110810
Actualy the spanish never really colonized the heart of SA so we just took everything we could before Spain complained about it
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>>53110867
This + Geography issues
/thread
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>>53110228
Because the Poortuguese are like marriages of conveniences, they can't afford to break up.
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>>53110867
>The capital of the Viceroyalty of Nueva Granada is Colombia instead of Santafé de Bogotá
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>>53110902
you could have been great Columbia

what happened
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>>53110655
Those jungles are extremely dangerous to get through and the jungle itself eats through troops.
Landing from the coast would have made conquest easier.
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>>53110655
Effective military occupation. Pic is ancient Portuguese fort in the middle of the Amazon rainforest.
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>>53110940
Bolivar happened
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>>53110883
Basically what happened with Belize desu.
We gave the bongs a small sliver of land so they could chop down mahogany and like the perfidious cockroaches they are, they spread south and westward until they nearly cucked us from a caribbean coast.

The Spaniards didn't give a shit because it was completely unpopulated territory.
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>>53110228
Most of the western territories were pretty much vacant until Marshall Rondon's expeditions and economic incentives during the 20th century, it is really easy to hold your territorial claims when there's no other party to contest it.
Major secessionist movements were successfully crushed during the imperial regime.
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>>53110940
you could have been Yugoslavia

what happened
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>>53110655
Spain only cared about the gold and slaves.

Not enough people in the Amazon to enslave.
Tearing down the rainforest to build plantations would have also been a nightmare.
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>>53111047
that's different

we're old nations each with a different language or religions

you were all just a bunch of Spanish-speaking plantation owners in Napoleonic uniforms
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>>53111028
Yeah, But Rio Branco settled our frontiers way way before. Plus we always had frontier fortifications, specially in the North. You know how that region is a fragile sovereignity in Brazilian psyché.
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>>53111047
More like they could be Austria-Hungary
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>>53111111
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>>53111111
Jesus fuck good get
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>>53110867
>You will never know what would have happened if Portugal got fucked and the monarchy had to settle here
I mean, not saying being ruled by Portugal would be good but i am really curious to see how they would have influenced our culture and political situation
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>>53110986
why did countries like Ecuador want/ger independence from Greater Columbia?
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>>53111116
>Rio Branco
>our frontiers
>we always had frontier fortifications
Anon, are you from Acre?
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>>53111156
Dom Pedro II. forever

everything else is lies
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>>53111123
Yugoslavia was a federation with each state supposedly having equal amounts of power, like Gran Colombia (and like Gran Colombia all of the power stayed in the capital with the ruling class)
Austro-Hungary was an Empire that didn't pretend to give the constituent nations any power.
>>53111111
CHECKED
Also, the cultural differences between a Colombian and a Venezuelan are as large as the ones between a Slovenian and a Croat.
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>>53110958
A lot of the Amazon wasn't even conquered, Portugal just kind of claimed it and no one cared enough to say no because it's a terrible place to garrison armies. It's why you guys still have undiscovered tribes.
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>>53111205
Your post made me sad with the Brazilian education.
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>>53111241
I-I cant even...
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>>53111245
its not about that, i am just surprised, never mind them
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>>53111111
checkd
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>>53111196
>>53110986
colombia is a country

columbia is the person-ification of the USA (like Britannia or Germania
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Imagine how beautiful this place would be if slavs colonized it first
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>>53111196
Cause they wanted Quito to be the capital of Gran Colombia, same with Caracas.
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>>53111342
You faggots never had a decent navy
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>>53111342
you would have just made the americas to one infinite potatoe farm.

also discovery of america/potatoe->vodka was end of slavic culture
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Spain sucks at statecraft. They did then and they do now.
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>>53111156
Unless I'm misinterpretating your post, I'm pretty sure that Portugal got fucked over and the royal family had to flee that country back in 1808, during the Napoleonic Wars. In fact, you could say that it catalyzed the independence movement in Brazil.
>>53111205
There were major fortification in Belém and Manaus IIRC
>>53111342
Russian settlers in Brazil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quKYR1J6W8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb-oEKBhH6c
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>>53111367
>tfw the Fall of the RFCA would have been prevented had Morazan not moved the capital to San Salvador
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>>53111196
The issue was mainly about who'd rule the whole country. Most of the military officers were from the capitancy of Venezuela and they were huge Bolivarboos.

Bolivar wanted to install a dictatorship and it was hinted that he wanted to become a king (Napoleon was fresh back then) and there existed in Colombia a pro-civilian political current bigger than those in Venezuela and Ecuador (who was heavily clerical compared to Colombia and Venezuela)

Some of those civilists who opposed Bolivar tried to kill him unsuccesfully, rendering unto themselves the wrath of the venezuelan officers. There were some executions and some of what was needed to part ways from each other.

Also, the Great Colombia was already fragmented (GEOGRAPHY, M8... it could take weeks to dispatch something from the capital to the busiest port) and there was a lame political cohesion since the beginning.
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>>53111111
CHECKED
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>>53111342
Entirely undeveloped and unused like the Asian portion of Russia.

There wouldn't be Brazilian posters because they'd be busy running around in loin cloths.
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>>53111390
They still kicked your backward galleon-fielding asses every time, Ozgur.
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>>53111342
NO
There are no tundras here.
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>>53111111
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>>53111367
>>53111429
thanks
>gf is ecuadorian
>never minded to look that up before
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>>53111342
Nor steppes.
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>>53111448
Remember Port Arthur.
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>>53111417
>one infinite potatoe farm
I just got a boner
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>>53111497
How much time have you being with her?
Besides
>tfw only latin american girls get euro fuckbuddies
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>>53111550
1,5 years
>tfw when getting girls was never easier for me than in my time in ecuador
works the other way around too though. pretty sure a columbian wouldnt have difficulties getting a german gf.
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>>53111605
>tfw your tiny and irrelevant country has coasts in two oceans
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>>53111657
>tiny and irrelevant country
>posts from US

Use a proxy or get out spic
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>>53111696
>ragging on Mayans

wew lad

a bit history-jealous, are we?
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>>53111696
>Use a proxy or get out spic
I would if I know how
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>>53111630
No. It is always latina + german or latina + american. It seldom is latino + someone
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>>53111605
>they wanted to reach the pacific
We never wanted this tho.
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>>53111729

Not at all. They had one civilization that ended 1300 years ago because they couldn't manage their resources

>>53111735
Just keep walking south til you hit Mexico and continue on south after that
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>>53111754
But imagine if you did...
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>>53111754
just one peru to the pacific
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Because the independence wars were a bitch.
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>>53111831
Then it would be ours.
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>>53111859
Would have been interesting to see the shitshow desu
Brazil would have had to cross impenetrable jungle and climb an extremely high mountain range just to get reinforcements to the front lines and Peruvians/Bolivians are notoriously shit at war.
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>>53111897

Like we are still Cisplatina?
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>>53111831
I wish

>>53111859
unfortunately we have to cross a gigantic forest for that, it's just not practical at all
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>>53111911
We would just send the navy. We could have made coastal settlements then expand from there. But as I said before, Brazil never wanted this, and it would have to really really want to, because the costs would be high at the time.
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>>53111911
They're into that already
>>53111928
And that's how memeposting starts by the usual suspects
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>>53111831
Mostly irrelevant at the time. A large part of our revenue came from raw material exports (coffee, sugar, minerals). The consumer markets were pretty much over the Atlantic (Europe and perhaps the USA).
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>>53111942
at least you dont have russian winters there
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>>53111928
Completely different. Do you really think that if we wanted to keep Cisplatina you would won a war against us or something? It was never a priority.
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>>53112000
*on the other side
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>>53112031

We did win the war with Argentina.
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Paraguay should annex Corrientes, Misiones and Rio Grande del Sur
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>>53112127
The last time they tried to annex anything they pretty much got raped into irrelevance by brazilian muskets
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>>53112127
leave Rio Grande do Sul alone

I don't to be ruled by fucking Paraguayans, also I bet my state can even defeat paraguay if needed
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>>53112084
Leblon in Rio de Janeiro?

Yes, It is one of the most rich areas of the city.
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>>53112163
brazilian, argentinan and uruguayan muskets

a bullying fest
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>>53112237

For the record we were forced.

we literally dindu
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>>53112084
Literally the most expensive square meter in Rio and probably Brazil as whole. But the real rich are in Barra.
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>>53112280
I learned how to bike in Leblon at age 23

yes, it's late, buy hey, better than never
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>>53112237
>>brazilian, argentinan and uruguayan muskets
>argentinan and uruguayan

Argentina and Uruguay almost did nothing in the whole war.
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That feel when no colonies
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>>53112371
poland-lithuania actually did have some for a few years
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>>53112371
What about Ukraine?
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>>53112362

Without Argentina it would have been extremely difficult for Brazil to even get inside Paraguay that was some sort of jungle fortress.
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>>53112371
>tfw Poland never colonized Guatemala
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>>53112446
>é a melhor cidade brasileira.

também não né
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>>53112371
I got you, senpai
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>>53112414
That was our vassal, Courland. And it was German speaking. I just want some other country to have polish as first language so we won't feel so lonely in /polska/
>inb4 le UK
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>>53112470
Diaspora is cancer, I want exotic qts speaking polish and admitting polish superiority. Ehh, who am I joking lads
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>>53112443
Rainforests only occur thousand or so kilometers from there. The fauna in the region is dominated by prairies and overall low vegetation (Pampas, chaco).
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>>53112433
They speak russkieand don't really like polish culture
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>>53112465
:^)
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>>53112556
I thought western Ukraine was part of the commonwealth
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>>53112586

Yeah 400 years ago

Then the Soviets forced the Poles out
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Entre Rios rightful Brazilian clay. Humaitá never forget.
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>>53110228
Territorial organization and personal gain. Most vice-royalties had the proper claims to their countries, not to mention that a centralized government over such a mountainous and expansive territory would be complicated. In modern day however, It would actually make sense for a unified latin-american state to exist with the ease of communication and travel, we're a lot closer culturally as separated countries than some nations are, but pointless revanchism would never allow that to happen.
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>>53112586
It was but then during ww2 western Ukrainians impaled 100k poles

Impaled poles lmao
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>>53112488
I'm actually intending to learn Polish in 2016 so i can speak with autistic poles and maybe busty polish qts
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>>53112685
There were many attempts for the establishment of some sort of a relatively loose, political or economical alliance between the Latin American countries, MERCOSUR being arguably the most successful.
I believe there is a project for military cooperation, which is UNASUR. Do you think that there are any chances that this project could be successful at fulfilling these objectives?
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>>53110228

The viceroy's of of New Spain and Peru split their territories into Viceroyalty "kingdoms". Portugal had only one viceroy Representative. Brazil was kept intact only because of Pedro the I crushing most of his rivals Cisplatina riots for indepdents, bahia riots for indepedence, etc.
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>onetugal
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I think all the spanish province governors wanted to have their own country.
While in Brazil a strong king and a centralized government crushed all the revolutions....
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>>53113206
Didn't Simón Bolivar push for a unified Spanish-speaking Confederation during the Wars of Independence in the region? If so, why did it fail?
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>>53112106
>Argentina
>Winning wars without help
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>>53111422
>Russians in the midle-west of the country
is sertanejo the truly white people here?
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>>53111111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G-ZiBxVTNs
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Monarchy, different independence process.
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>>53111417
>made the americas to one infinite potatoe farm
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>>53110655
Portuguese expanded more that they were supposed to when they were part of Spain, under Philip II.
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